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From YouTube: 05 Dec 2022Regular Cave Creek Town Council meeting
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C
C
Oh,
my
you
got
my
whole
name
on
here.
Nobody
knows
that
all
right
I
here
we
go
Ernest
B,
Bunch,
the
third,
a
firm
that
I
will
support
the
Constitution
United
States
and
the
Constitution
the
laws
of
the
State
of
Arizona.
That
I
will
bear
true
faith
and
allegiance
to
the
same
and
defend
them
against
all
enemies,
foreign
and
domestic,
and
that
I
will
faithfully
and
impartially
discharge
the
duties
as
council
member
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Arizona.
C
A
A
E
G
I
Catherine
Royer
a
firm
that
I
will
support
the
Constitution
of
the
United
States
and
the
Constitution
and
laws
of
the
State
of
Arizona.
That
I
will
bear
true
faith
and
allegiance
to
the
same
and
defend
them
against
all
enemies,
foreign
and
domestic,
and
that
I
will
faithfully
and
impartially
discharge
the
duties
as
council
member
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Arizona.
According
to
the
best
of
my
ability,
so
I
do
affirm
expressions.
A
I
I
H
H
H
G
G
And
he
has
also
helped
me:
I
learned
a
lot
about
town
business
because
he's
been
involved
in
the
town
for
many
years
prior
to
prior
to
my
running
for
office.
He
was
involved
on
the
white
paper
committee
and
on
the
finance
committee,
the
budget
committee,
and
he
even
helped
read
meters
for
a
time
when
we
really
needed
people
to
help
out
the
town.
So
my
husband
and
my
hero,
gabroyer,
okay,.
F
I'd
like
to
mention
that
my
wife,
Mary
Rhodes,
is
in
the
audience,
and
we've
been
married
for
it'll,
be
38
years
this
coming
May
and
she
is
a
much
better
woman
than
I
am
a
man,
because
she's
had
to
put
up
with
me
all
these
years
and
she
is
a.
She
is
a
everything
that
I
could
have
ever
expected
in
a
wife
and
more
and
I.
Just
thank
her
the
support
and
for
helping
me
out
and
all
the
things
that
I've
done.
E
D
Unfortunate
tonight
to
have
my
lovely
wife
Gloria
here,
she
really
helped
me
with
this
to
get
this
plan
together
and
have
it
make
sense
so
I.
Thank
you
and
love
you
for
that,
and
also
I
have
a
couple
of
neighbors
here:
Daryl
and
Rose
Reiner,
who
carried
papers
around
for
signatures
and
were
they've,
just
been
a
constant
support.
So
thank
you.
H
C
B
H
I'd
like
to
reintroduce
my
four
grandsons
CJ
and
Blake
and
Brady
and
Jax
and
they're
here
to
support
me
tonight,
I.
Thank
you
guys.
They
started
my
first
campaign
with
me.
Janet
was
supposed
to
be
here
but
she's,
not
quite
here
so
I'm
sure
she'll
come
in
a
little
bit
later.
I'd
also
like
to
recognize
two
good
friends:
Pastor
Steve,
Gilbertson
and
Donna.
Welcome,
thank
you
for
being
here
tonight
and
with
that
we
will
go
to
a
couple
other
other
announcements.
J
J
J
A
K
Thank
you,
Bruce
Ireland,
Cave,
Creek
resident
I
just
want
to
congratulate
everybody
here
from
you
to
you
great
campaigns.
We
have
a
new
mayor,
an
ex-mayor
three
new
council
members
and
and
two
actually
two
ex-mayors
and
two
incumbents
Council
people,
so
I'm
very
excited.
A
lot
of
other
people
are
too
looking
for
a
new
day,
a
new
way
and
I
think
we
have
some
great
new
energy
and
I
just
want
you
to
know
that.
J
K
At
the
podium
for
a
new
invigorated,
creative
solution-oriented,
action-packed,
Cave
Creek,
we
have
a
lot
of
challenges
and
you're
now
here
this
is
the
night
that
it
starts
not
tomorrow,
right
now
and
I
just
have
to
say
it
which
I
did
so.
Thank
you
very
much.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
say
and
I
want
to
report
to
you.
You
all
know
this
and
most
of
the
people.
Here
we
had
our
third,
not
really
third
annual,
but
our
third
large
Cave
Creek,
dark
sky
event
in
spur
cross,
Recreation
Area.
It
went
very
well.
K
We
had
another
500
people,
tons
of
volunteers,
big
success
and
we're
continuing
to
inform
the
public,
including
people
who
come
up
to
me.
Email
me
call
me:
they've
already
made
changes
in
their
lighting
going
towards
our
Cave
Creek
lighting
codes
surpassing
some
of
them,
letting
me
know,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
testimonies
that
I'll
be
publishing.
K
You
need
to
know
that,
because
it's
a
kind
of
a
big
deal,
people
also
come
from
a
wide
radius
around
the
Metropolis
everybody
most
of
the
people
are
from
Cave
Creek,
but
as
far
away
as
Goodyear
Chandler
and
that
those
kinds
of
places,
including
the
fact
that
from
my
sort
of
straw
poll,
it
looks
like
about
76
percent
of
the
people
spent
money
in
restaurants
or
gas
stations
in
the
town
core
before
or
after
the
event,
so
we're
bringing
Revenue
to
the
town.
Thank
you
very
much.
L
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
begin
Marion
council
members
with
introducing
Ben
Robinson,
who
was
taking
the
photograph
of
the
council.
So
everyone
knows
what
he
looks
like.
So
he
is
our
new
digital
communication
specialist
and
we
welcome
him,
and
today
he
pretty
much
was
hitting
the
ground
running.
So
great,
we're
happy
to
have
him.
L
I
also
have
an
announcement,
because
this
is
happening
tomorrow,
we'll
have
a
traffic
restriction
plant
that
is
planned
for
Schoolhouse
Road.
It
begins
tomorrow
at
7
00
a.m,
and
it
lasts
until
4
pm
so
that
some
utility
work
on
the
west
side
of
the
road
can
be
completed.
It's
on
Schoolhouse
Road,
restricted
to
one
lane
with
flaggers
and
controlling
traffic,
but
just
be
careful
in
that
area
and
go
slow.
Please
foreign!
L
So
I'd
like
to
congratulate
all
of
you
and
welcome
you
as
members
of
the
New
Town
Council
for
the
town
of
Cave,
Creek
and
I
wanted
to
take
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
and
highlight
the
importance
of
the
town
of
cave,
Creek's,
strategic
plan
and
our
mission
and
share
how
the
plan
guides
the
council,
the
town
manager
and
our
directors
in
prioritizing
projects
to
achieve
the
goals
of
the
plan.
Our
mission
is
to
support
the
community
by
effectively
managing
public
services
and
fostering
our
unique
Southwestern
ways
of
life.
L
Research
has
shown
that
by
developing
this
type
of
plan,
communities,
including
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
leadership,
have
a
much
higher
sense
of
ownership
over
the
direction
of
the
work
and
will
exhibit
higher
energy
and
passion
toward
achieving
the
outcomes.
The
ownership
leads
to
more
efficient
use
of
time,
more
creative
work,
output
and
increased
job
satisfaction
for
all
of
us,
whether
you're
paid
or
not
paid
it's
truly.
It
can
make
a
big
difference.
L
L
The
2023
Retreat
for
this
council
is
scheduled
for
Tuesday
January
17
and
Wednesday
January
18
from
9
A.M
to
4
pm
staff
will
be
providing
more
details
about
this
retreat
in
the
coming
days
and
on
behalf
of
the
Town
staff,
the
directors
and
myself.
We
congratulate
you
all
and
we
look
forward
to
working
together
with
you
all.
Thank
you.
H
C
K
H
H
So
this
is
the
election
for
the
vice
mayor
and
we've
tried
a
number
of
different
methods
on
this
over
the
years
and
the
one
we
have
tonight
avoids
some
of
the
clumsiness
and
hard
feelings
of
some
other
methods
that
we
use
in
being
a
nomination.
So
each
person
on
the
Deus
here
has
a
ballot
with
the
names
of
the
other
council
members
on
it,
and
we
will
give
as
of
right
now,
they're
all
nominated.
Once
we
each
council
member,
will
designate
their
choice
for
who
should
be
the
vice
mayor.
H
We
will
give
those
to
the
town
clerk
who
will
read
them
out,
so
there's
nothing
secret.
These
are
not
secret
ballots.
This
will
all
be
public
information
and
then
I
will
ask
for
a
motion
on
the
person.
That
is
the
top
vote,
getter,
hopefully
more
than
four,
if
it.
If
we
have
a
tie
like
that,
we'll
have
to
scramble
some
but
I.
Don't
think
that's
going
to
happen
so
at
this
time,
I
would
ask
any
council
members
who
do
not
wish
to
be
considered
for
vice
mayor.
If
they'd,
please.
C
J
H
C
J
C
H
I
just
pick
it
up,
while
she's
tabulating
I'll
just
say
that
I
made
some
people
really
mad
because
there's
a
lot
of,
if
you
have
more
than
one
person
you
vote
against
somebody,
because
you,
like
somebody
else,
you
make
this
person
mad.
It's
been
real,
clumsy
at
times
appointing
so
hopefully
this
will
take
care
of
that
and
still
give
us
a
good
Fair
election.
H
D
H
H
That's
going
to
take
place,
that's
going
to
drive
the
town
for
the
next
several
years
and
I
thought
it'd
be
good
at
this
point
to
just
go
down
the
list
of
council
members
with
approximately
three
minutes
to
comment
regarding
the
opportunities
for
the
Cave
Creek
Town
government.
Where
should
we?
Where
should
we
go
from
here?.
H
G
Well,
of
course,
I
have
prepared
remarks
because
I
believe
in
always
being
prepared,
since
my
name,
my
nickname
is
Watergirl
a
z.
Of
course,
I
have
to
start
with
that
subject.
As
we
speak
about
our
opportunities
for
2023,
it's
been
so
wonderful
to
have
rain
this
past
weekend.
It
helps
refill
the
cap
and
the
SRP
reservoirs
and
replenish
our
underground
aquifers,
it
nourishes
our
plants
and
animals
and
our
very
Souls.
G
The
priorities
on
this
Council
and
mine
since
I
was
elected
in
2018,
is
facilitating
everything
possible
to
protect
our
water
resources
for
from
cap,
which
is
our
lifeblood
as
a
status
update
on
the
Colorado
River.
For
the
first
time
ever
in
2023,
the
lower
Colorado
River
Basin
will
be
operating
under
a
tier
2A
shortage.
G
This
equates
to
reductions
of
34,
of
Cap's,
normal
Supply
21
of
Arizona's
water
supply
and
about
nine
percent
of
Arizona's
total
water
use
for
cap
water
users.
It
means
there
is
no
longer
excess
water
available
and
or
agricultural
pools.
It
means
a
three
percent
reduction
for
municipal
users
like
Cave,
Creek
and
hydrologic
modeling
indicates
that
the
Colorado
River
Basin
will
be
in
deeper
levels
of
shortage
in
the
coming
years.
G
G
G
G
In
addition
to
focusing
on
water,
my
attention
will
be
on
continuing
to
improve
our
Outreach
and
relationships
with
our
customers
and
community,
and,
to
that
end,
I
heartily
welcome
our
new
digital
Communications
specialist
to
support
that
effort.
Our
fiscal
responsibility
as
council
members
is
always
a
top
priority.
G
I
believe
my
strength
as
a
council
member
is
rooted
in
my
deep
respect
and
admiration
for
the
residents
and
businesses
of
Cave
Creek.
This
council
is
accountable
to
the
people
who
live
here
and
to
the
businesses
that
sustain
our
sales
tax
revenues.
It
is
a
delicate
balance
as
open
space,
low-density
housing,
dark
skies
and
our
western
western
equestrian
Heritage
are
so
important
to
us
all
eons
ago,
when
I
was
a
young
reporter
in
public
affairs,
director
federal
law
required
broadcasters
to
provide
both
sides
of
the
story
on
controversial
issues.
G
While
it
is
no
longer
the
law
that
commitment
to
ensuring
accuracy
and
public
information
about
the
issues
at
hand
is
still
ingrained
in
me,
I
will
always
be
listening.
Observing
Gathering
and
considering
all
of
the
facts
before
making
important
decisions
on
our
community's
behalf.
I
am
proud
to
be
an
elected
official
I.
Take
it
very
seriously
and
I
will
continue
to
fulfill
this
position
with
honor
and
integrity.
H
F
I'd
like
to
thank
the
citizens
of
Cave
Creek
for
for
electing
essentially
a
new
Town
Council.
We
have
a
new
mayor.
We
have
three
new
councilmen
Council
persons.
We
have
some
unique
challenges.
Coming
up,
I've
spoken
to
a
lot
of
folks
that
supported
me
and
a
few
folks
that
haven't
supported
me
and
there
are
some
common
concerns:
development
which
ties
to
water.
There
are
a
lot
of
problems
that
we've
got
coming
up
as
councilman
Roy.
A
vice
mayor,
Royale
mentioned
we're
going
to
have
some
water
problems
here
and
we
need
to.
F
We
need
to
work
that
issue
as
hard
as
we
can
so
we're
going
to
have
to
take
a
look
at
new
development
and
developments
very
carefully
to
make
sure
that
we
have
sufficient
resources
to
support
them.
I
think
we
also
have
some
other
things
that
are
that
are
going
to
compound
the
problem.
I've
been
very
active
in
the
financial
Community
for
a
while
through
some
of
the
work
that
I
did
previously.
We
have
a
probably
a
major
recession,
if
not
depression.
F
Coming
up
over
the
next
two
to
five
years,
we
have
to
have
solid
revenue
streams
to
be
able
to
survive
as
a
town,
I
totally
agree
with
Council
former
councilman
monikino.
We
need
to
start
looking
at
other
sources
of
revenue
now.
I
I
am
totally
against
property
taxes,
but
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
other
Alternatives
available
and
I
think
we
need
to
start
listening
to
what
the
concerns
of
are
the
town.
We
need
to
be
friendly
for
families.
F
F
We
need
to
get
kids
involved
in
the
things
that
we
do
as
a
town
and
I've
discussed
that
with
you
before
Mr,
Mayor
and
I
think
I
think
there's
some
things
we
can
do
to
get
those
folks
involved
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
great
Challenge
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you
with
the
staff
and
everyone
else
over
the
next
couple
years.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
start
out
by
thanking
some
people
who
took
some
extremely
important
moves
in
setting
up
Cave
Creek,
that
included
incorporation,
so
that
we
would
not
become
a
part
of
Phoenix
preserving
the
top
of
Black
Mountain
that
Progressive
zoning
going
from
concentrated
zoning
at
the
Town
Center
to
large
lot.
Zoning
as
you
went
out
into
the
further
distances
support
for
land
preservation,
which
is
something
we
worked
with
with
the
Desert
Foothills
Land
Trust,
preserving
spur
cross
and
Commercial
and
tourist
offerings
that
that
have
come
to
this
town.
E
Local
government
is
a
team
effort.
All
government
needs
to
be
a
team
effort
and
we
all
look
forward
to
working
with
the
staff.
Different
people
on
the
team
have
different
abilities
and
different
things
that
they
bring,
and
this
is
an
example
of
where
the
sum
can
be
more
than
the
the
sum
of
its
parts.
The
whole
can
be
more
than
the
sum
of
its
parts,
because
each
one
of
us
brings
unique
things.
E
Water
will
be
extremely
important,
as
referred
to
by
my
previous
two
council
members,
water,
Banking
and
education
of
the
public
as
to
how
we
can
go
about
conserving
water,
growth
and
development
needs
to
be
watched
very
carefully.
We
do
have
to
follow
the
law
and
we
need
to
work
with
the
citizens,
so
they
understand
what
our
limitations
are.
Financial
viability
is
extremely
important.
Our
environment
is
very
important
and
there
will
be
some
future
decisions
that
will
be
critical.
I
wish
that
town
manager
direct
could
be
for
this
long
into
the
future.
E
However,
we
will
be
at
a
point
where
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
a
new
town
manager
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
is
going
to
be
very
important
in
the
future
and
I
hope
that
we
can
also
attract
younger
and
new
people
to
the
town,
to
the
council
and
to
the
various
volunteer
organizations.
It
would
be
nice
to
have
a
greater
range
of
age
than
we
have
now.
Thank
you.
D
D
Preserving
Cave
Creek
is
basic
to
that
General
plan
I'll
base
my
thinking
and
votes
on
the
rules
which
guide
the
position
I
hold,
and
in
this
case
that
means
our
town
ordinances
as
a
town
grows.
Certain
ordinances
may
need
to
change
and
there
are
processes
for
making
those
changes.
My
role
as
a
councilman
will
be
defined
by
decisions
that
move
us
as
a
community
toward
the
goals
described
in
the
general
plan.
D
My
decisions
will
not
be
about
personalities
or
in
response
to
criticisms
from
those
who
resist
change,
I
will
be
respectful
and
I
will
be
persistent.
I'm.
Absolutely
convinced
that
Cave
Creek
is
at
a
critical
Tipping
Point,
where
every
decision
the
council
makes
is
either
moving
toward
a
phoenix
style
of
urban
life
or
moving
toward
the
Cave
Creek
version
of
the
Rural
Life.
We
all
value
I
work
to
develop
the
local
landmarks
program,
and
it
was
easy
for
me
to
understand
how
much
our
history
sets
the
trend
which
defines
how
we
view
life
here
in
town.
D
The
people
who
live
here
value
being
able
to
speak
their
mind
that
language
can
get
spicy,
but
in
the
end
the
value
that
stands
out
is
being
able
to
voice
your
opinion
and
feel
like
it's
heard.
Every
Community
has
some
diversity
and
successful
communities,
value,
diverse
voices
and
opinions
through
respectful
conversation
and
honoring
the
value
of
consensus.
This
is
a
lofty
goal
for
human
beings
and
it
takes
real
work
to
reach
common
goals.
D
D
C
I,
too,
have
an
aversion
to
property
tax.
However,
I'm
going
to
tell
you
something
right
now
that
this
community
is
one
of
the
few
communities
in
the
state
of
Arizona
that
doesn't
pay
for
Public
Safety,
with
the
property
tax
by
making
those
choices
and
making
those
decisions,
we
have
handicapped
some
of
the
other
things
that
we
would
like
to
do
and
be
in
a
better
position.
So
having
said
that
and
made
some
more
enemies,
my
friends
on
the
right
that
are
usually
with
me
are
going
to
call
me
a
rhino
again.
Well,
that's
fine.
C
C
B
H
B
Mayor,
it's
been
about
23
or
24
years,
since
I
sat
up
here
now,
David
Phelps
was
in
the
audience
last
time.
I
was
here,
Martha
Argo
was
still
working
she's.
The
only
person
left
that
speaks
hello
come
Carrie
was
here
and
Kerry
remembers
that
we
parked
my
daughter
at
the
staff
table
from
93
until
99.
She
arrived
in
a
stroller
and
sat
here
for
years
with
a
crayon
that
box
and
a
coloring
book
writing
town
code.
We
had
three
town
managers
in
that
period,
so
Kerry
is
a
Survivor
and
more
Williams
won.
B
This
is
not
known,
but
I
will
tell
you
this
that
when
spur
cross
was
in
his
early
days,
Harry
wood
with
me
in
the
town,
engineer,
Phil,
Hughes
and
I
think
sometimes
Tom
Irvin.
We
would
walk
door
to
door
along
Morning
Star,
where
the
islands
live
in
others
to
try
to
get
the
51
percent
of
assessed
valuation
to
bring
that
land
which
was
in
the
county
into
the
town.
So
we
could
try
to
imprint
the
style
of
happenings
out
there
that
we
wanted
to
do
so.
My
hair
was
black.
The
parking
lot
wasn't
paved.
B
While
we're
here
remember
why
we
moved
here
if
I
can
be
of
any
service
to
you
downtown
without
causing
problems
in
terms
of
helping
staff
with
research,
and
things
like
that,
I
would
make
that
offer
I've
been
around
since
Rose
Mofford
was
a
page
practically
and
so
I
can
try
to
offer
that
downtown,
but
anyway,
I'm
very
grateful
to
be
back
and
hope.
I
can
do
it
justice.
Thank
you.
Mr
Mayor,.
H
H
We
didn't
know
that
a
long
time
ago,
10
years
ago,
and
it's
time
that
we
complete
the
water
plan,
everything
I
know
of
in
water
is
in
motion
right
now
or
just
about
to
be
in
motion,
especially
with
the
Phoenix
interconnect.
That's
going
to
bring
a
tremendous
amount
of
reliability
because
it
knocks
out
dozens
and
dozens
of
dozens
of
single
points
of
failure
or
one
piece
of
equipment
can
shut
the
town
down
completely
for
its
water.
Hopefully,
this
next
year
and
a
half
we'll
get
it
done
before
that
happens,.
H
We're
writing
a
peak
and
that
Peak
is
the
five
years
between
now
and
when
the
loans
are
paid
off
for
the
utilities.
There
are
tons
of
loans
out
there.
It
was
over
60
million
dollars
when
I
started
it's
down
in
the
low
20s
now,
so
we've
made
tremendous
progress
in
paying
down
the
notes
that
financed
all
of
the
utility
improvements
in
town
when
those
five
years
are
up,
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
spread
our
wings.
H
The
the
town
finances
are
about
equally
split
about
12
million
each
for
the
general
fund
and
the
utilities,
and
when
you
only
have
12
million
dollars
and
you
take
on
five
million
dollars
worth
of
fire
and
emergency
without
any
new
sources
of
income.
It's
a
challenge
and
this
Council
will
have
to
deal
with
that
challenge.
To
get
us.
H
Through
these
five
years
there
have
been
a
ton
of
changes,
I
I
think
some
of
the
things
I'm
most
proud
of
are
we've
stopped
the
subsidies
going
many
subsidies
to
the
to
the
sewer
system
to
Desert
Hills.
We've
still
got
some
to
go
and
they're
on
the
agenda
this
year
to
stop
the
subsidies
to
development.
How
many
people
know
that
we
subsidize
development?
H
You
know
the
roads
are
pretty
sorry
there's
a
lot
of
them
know
you
have
payment
on
them,
so
we've
got
to
find
one
two
million
bucks
a
year
or
something
like
that.
We've
got
to
really
do
that
and
I
think
it's
there
I'm
my
expertises
and
doing
things
that
are
hard,
whether
it's
Financial
or
Technical,
and
so
I
I
looked
at
that
challenge
with
relish.
H
Finally,
we
have
a
unique
town
here
in
Cave
Creek
there's
nothing
else
like
us
and
we've
got
millions
of
houses
to
the
south
of
us.
I
don't
want
to
be
like
those
places
if
people
want
that
they
ought
to
move
there
if
they
want
Cave
Creek
we're
here,
and
we
need
to
preserve
that,
then
that
needs
to
be
on
the
top
of
mind.
I
think
that
is
Far
and
Away.
H
N
M
First
off,
congratulations,
mayor,
Morris
and
vice
mayor
Roy,
and
also
welcome
the
new
members
to
the
council,
council
member
team
council
member
elkema
and
council
member
Rhodes
be
looking
forward
to
working
with
y'all
for
this
term
and
welcome
back
councilman
bunch
and
councilmember
McGuire.
All
right
go
ahead
and
begin
now.
Staff
is
here
this
evening
to
bring
forward
to
council
consideration
of
case
z-22-04
Kimberly
horn
zone
change,
request
application.
M
Second
reading
of
ordinance,
oh
2022-08,
the
request
was
to
amend
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
zoning
map
for
the
subject,
Parcels
from
the
existing
dr-89
zoning
District
commercial
buffer.
The
properties
are
located
along
Carefree
Highway
between
51st
Street
to
52nd
Street
within
the
care
figure
care,
Carefree
Highway,
specific
area
plan
at
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
Hill
on
October
October
20th
2022,
the
town
of
K
free
Planning,
Commission,
voted
5-0
to
recommend
approval
of
zone
change
application
case
dash
z-22-04
at
the
previous
Town
council
meeting
held
on
November
21st
2022.
M
The
Town
Council
gave
first
reading
of
ordinance,
oh
2022-08,
where
Council
voting
unanimously
to
approve
case
z22-04.
She
Council
gives
second
reading
this
evening.
A
30-day
effective
period
shot
begin
before
the
zoning
has
changed
and
the
zoning
map
is
updated,
Mr
Mayor
at
this
moment
any
questions
for
staff.
E
C
E
H
C
H
Item
four
Council
discussion:
approval
of
second
reading
and
ordinance:
oh
2022-09,
an
ordinance
of
the
mayor
and
Town
Council
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Maricopa
County
Arizona,
amending
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Town
code,
chapter
53
capacity
charges,
specifically
section
53.01
capacity
charges
and
providing
per
separability
placed
on
the
end
of
by
the
utilities.
Director.
O
Evening,
marriage
mayor
vice
mayor
council,
so
this
is
the
second
reading
of
the
the
ordinance
to
change
the
capacity
fee.
Section
section
53
of
the
town
code
we've
talked
to
length
for
several
meetings.
This
has
been
going
concurrently
with
the
the
rate
study
for
the
utilities,
so
we've
come
back
and
talked
to
several
times,
but
I
figured
towards
just
a
quick,
quick
brief
go
through,
which
is
these
are
one-time
payments
that
are
capacity
fees
or
one-time
payments
paid
by
developers
when
they
connect
to
the
system.
O
O
So
the
first
thing
we
have
to
start
with
is
actually
come
up
with
a
validation
evaluation
of
the
the
system,
so
that
comes.
We've
used
the
town's
audited
fixed
asset
list
to
actually
come
up
with
that
list,
and
then
it
allows
us
to
break
down
and
determine
a
capacity
that's
currently
available
and
available
for
future
users
and
currently
being
used
by
current
users
and
what's
available
for
future
users.
So
in
Desert
Hills
and
Cave
Creek,
Desert,
Hills,
water
and
Cave
Creek
Wastewater,
we
use
what's
called
a
buy-in
method.
O
Actually
changing
to
the
pulse,
formerly
so
that's
called,
what's
called
a
hybrid
method,
was
used
where
we
looked
at
both
the
available
capacity
and
the
future
Improvement
costs
within
those.
So
again,
this
is
your
cost.
At
new
developments
we
pay
to
reflect
their
their
their
impact
to
the
system.
So,
what's
being
proposed,
is
changes
in
the
water
capacity
fees.
Typically,
one
inch
meters
are
more
typical,
so
we're
going
from
about
7
700
for
one
inch
meter
in
Cape,
Creek
Water
to
just
under
12
000.
O
This
proposal
in
Desert
Hills
Water
the
capacity
fee
for
a
one
inch
meter
would
go
from
just
over
twelve
thousand
dollars
to
just
over
twenty
four
thousand
dollars
and
on
Wastewater.
One
inch
meter
again
would
go
from
just
to
just
under
fourteen
thousand
dollars
to
about
twenty
one
thousand
dollars.
O
So
all
this
was
outlined
in
the
water
and
Wastewater
rate
and
capacity
fee
study,
and
then
we
had
the
first
reading
of
this
ordinance
on
December
on
November
21st.
So
this
is
the
second
hearing
and
similar
to
the
the
actionated
before
that,
if
made
effective
tonight,
there'd
be
a
30-day
waiting
period,
That's
become
effective
and
then
we'd
be
charging
new
rates
for
any
developers
to
come.
In
with
that,
I
can
answer
any
questions.
H
O
H
C
J
J
D
G
B
N
E
N
Just
several
months
ago,
the
chairman
of
the
Planning
Commission
asked
staff
to
research
how
site
plan
review
applications
for
commercial
projects
are
administered
in
other
jurisdictions,
within
Arizona
staff,
prepared
and
presented
information
related
to
the
site
plan
review
process
in
September
to
the
Planning
Commission.
At
that
meeting
in
September,
the
Planning
Commission
directed
staff
to
prepare
draft
tax
amendments
for
the
Planning
Commission
to
consider
at
their
meeting
in
October
staff
and
legal
counsel,
vetted
the
proposed
amendments
and
brought
those
to
the
Planning
Commission
in
October.
N
At
the
October
meeting,
the
Planning
Commission
recommended
approval
of
the
text.
Amendments
case
a
2201,
a2202
and
a2203,
and
the
corresponding
ordinance
numbers
presented
are
oh
202205,
oh
202206
and
0
20
22.07
and
those
those
text.
Amendments,
if
adopted
by
a
council,
would
remove
the
Planning
Commission
from
the
review
of
the
site
plan
cases.
Pursuant
to
the
comments
from
the
Town
Council
hearing
during
consideration
of
first
reading
at
its
meeting
held,
Monday
November
21st
staff
has
since
updated
the
text
and
the
corresponding
amendments,
which
is
now
presented
in
Blue
Line
form.
N
In
summary,
the
three
proposed
amendments
would
eliminate
the
requirement
of
a
Planning
Commission
hearing
for
site
plan
review
cases,
while
still
requiring
notice
of
new
commercial
development
and
approval
by
the
Town
Council
pursuant
to
the
zoning
ordinance
should
Council
approve.
Second
reading
of
the
proposed
amendments,
there
will
be
a
30-day
effective
period
prior
to
the
Amendments
taking
effect.
I've
also
asked
the
chairman,
and
vice
chairman
chairman
Bob
Morris,
and
vice
chairman
Steve
breckner,
to
be
here
tonight
they're.
N
G
G
G
N
That
is
correct,
I
believe
unless
call
the
public
is
call
the
public
has
heard
prior
to
the
consent
agenda,
though.
So,
if
someone,
if,
if
a
member
of
the
public
were
to
present
themselves,
they
call
the
public,
then
a
council
could
remove
council
member
could
remove
it
from
the
consent
agenda.
Just
based
on
our
agenda.
It's
gonna
get
back.
N
F
I
Well,
you
raise
a
good
point.
I
mean
this
is
technically.
The
call
to
the
public
is
not
a
substantive
discussion
on
items
already
on
the
agenda,
but
given
council's
concern
about
getting
public
input,
I
think
it
would
be
appropriate
if
someone
were
to
say
I
see
this
item
I
request,
because
you
have
to
do
this
at
the
beginning,
but
the
tension.
The
tension
here
is
between
the
size
of
the
jurisdiction,
is
inversely
related
to
the
degree
of
control
asserted
by
Council.
I
You
are
you're
much
larger
than
some
of
my
other
jurisdictions
in
my
smaller
jurisdictions
up
in
the
White
Mountains.
They
do
exactly
what
you've
done
historically,
and
that
is
everything
goes
to
council.
What
staff
has
done,
perhaps
at
the
urging
of
the
planning
of
the
of
the
commission
is
to
say,
perhaps
it's
not
necessary
to
have
the
the
Planning
Commission
involved
in
that
in
that
dynamic,
just
the
compromise,
the
mayor,
Struck
it
the
now
mayor
struck
at
the
last
meeting,
is:
let's
make
sure
the
public
has
the
right
to
con
I'm.
I
Sorry,
the
right
to
Identity
to
have
comments,
so
I
I
think
it
would
be
appropriate
to
given
that
we're
going
down
this
path,
given
that
the
new
code
says
the
consent
agenda
that
if
indeed
the
member
of
the
public
says
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
call
to
the
public
I,
see
an
item
I
request
that
you
pull
this
from
that,
so
that
we
can
have
that.
That
would
provide
public
debate,
but
a
site
plan
is
not
like
zoning.
I
Zoning
is
where
you
and
the
commission
take
away
property
rights
and
that's
why
there's
a
much
more
onerous
public
hearing
process,
publication
process
and
a
two-step
approval
process,
site
plan
really
is
more
administrative
and-
and
you
are
of
all
my
I'm,
the
town
attorney
for
nine
you're,
about
two-thirds
up
at
the
size,
and
so
it
may
be
now
that
you
don't
need
to
do
what
the
what
the
Pine
Top
lakesides
do
and
the
jeromes
do
where
everything
goes
to
council.
This
is
a
decent
compromise
to
streamline
the
process.
I
It
doesn't
deny
the
public
the
right
to
to
have
comments.
It
certainly
preserves
their
rights
when
it's
zoning,
which
is
legislative
and
here
they
I
I,
thought
it
was
an
elegant
solution
to
say
if
there,
if
staff
is
going
to
pull
it
I'm.
Sorry,
if,
if
Council
has
to
approve
Council,
gets
to
remove
it
from
the
they
could,
they
could
remove
it
from
the
consent
agenda
to
allow
for
public
comments.
N
The
the
zoning
procedures
chapter
of
our
ordinance
re
has
all
of
that
specified
and
that's
basically
descendant
from
state
code
and
how
we
do
and
how
we
process
cases.
So
a
mailing
will
go
out
within
500
feet
of
the
subject.
Property
and
advertisement
will
be
placed
in
the
newspaper
this
the
same
things
that
we
do
now
advertising
for
Planning,
Commission
and
council
meeting.
We
would
just
be
doing
it
for
a
council
meeting.
D
F
F
How
does
that
next
layer
get
warned
which
goes
back
to
the
same
question
I
had
when
I
was
a
couple
sessions
ago
when
we
talked
about
the
The
Rock
Place,
you
have
a
two-story
building
and
somebody
puts
a
puts
a
window
in
it
and
has
it
lit
up
at
night
it's
going
to
affect
more
people
and
just
the
people
right
next
to
them.
So
how
do
we
take
that
into
account?
How
do
they
get
their
their
day
in
court,
so
to
speak?.
N
Council
member
Rhodes,
so
two
stories
maximum
height
all
the
requirements
that
are
contained
within
chapter
three
of
the
zoning
ordinance
apply,
so
they
can't
have
like
trespass.
Outdoor
lighting
needs
to
be
fully
shielded
and
cast
downward.
All
those
all
those
components
are
not
necessarily
reviewed,
debated,
increased
decrease
through
the
through
the
process
of
going
through
Planning
Commission
and
Town
Council.
Those
are
all
done
at
the
review
for
building
permit
application
and
we
make
sure
that
there's
compliance
and
there's
a
photometric
analysis
done
and
there's
no
light
bleed
off
off
of
the
site.
I
To
that
Mr
Mayor
pocket,
you
raised
a
good
point,
but
then
this
this
contrast,
this
with
zoning
zoning,
has
some
very
specific
spatial
separations
150
feet,
300
feet
a
friend
agreed
party
for
Board
of
adjustment
300
feet
here.
There
is
absolutely
no
spatial
separation.
If
you're
a
member
of
this
of
the
public
and
you
think
you're
going
to
be
harmed
by
life
from
a
you-
have
the
right
to
say:
pull
it
from
the
agenda.
I'd
like
to
talk
about
it
actually
is
more
streamlined.
I
E
I'm
hearing
a
concern
of
three
of
my
fellow
council
members
that
I
agree
with
that.
Even
though
this
is
an
administrative
Duty,
the
site
plan
has
to
go
through
planning
department
they're
at
a
point
where
the
council
may
not
be
able
to
do
anything
about
it,
but
I
think
there's
a
point
at
which
the
public
wants
to
get
up
and
speak
and
I.
Think
it's
a
way
of
communicating
with
us
concerns
about
the
future.
E
H
D
F
N
E
N
So
chapter
12,
section
12.2
procedures,
item
eight
would
read
the
site
plan.
Requests
shall
be
placed
on
the
town
council's
strike,
consent
agenda
and
reviewed
for
possible
approval
by
the
Town
Council
is
set
forth
within
this
ordinance,
so
everything
else
Remains
the
Same
consent
would
be
stricken
so
just
appear
on
your
agenda.
Excellent
Luke.
D
B
B
H
B
Well,
when
the
motion
comes,
if
that
first
amendment
is
approved,
I
plan
to
speak
against
it,
because
the
next
three
issues
have
a
lot
of
consequence
and
I.
Just
don't
think
it's
fair
to
the
new
people
to
think
we
could
have
reviewed
these
issues
either
with
current
council
members
or
with
staff
in
three
days.
I.
Just
don't
think
it's
reasonable
I,
don't
know
what
the
urgency
isn't
getting
this
out,
but
I
and
I'm
not
going
to
request
it.
B
But
I
would
just
indicate
that
these
issues
and
as
a
former
member
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
I,
understand
the
importance
of
that
first
filtering
review
process
and
it
played
a
valuable
role
in
the
past
I'm.
Sorry
that
this
is
seen
as
as
something
that
is
positive
because
I
don't
think
it's
in
the
interest
of
their
residence
myself.
But
you
know
I'm
not
fully
informed
yet,
but
I
certainly
couldn't
be
in
four
days.
Thanks.
Mr
chairman.
H
C
Everyone
I've
seen
in
17
and
a
half
years
has
had
the
same
ones,
and
the
only
time
that
we
get
in
trouble
is
is
if
the
if
the
appointed
or
the
electeds
start,
adding
stuff
to
that
which
we
are
not
allowed
to
do
and
we're
going
Beyond.
And
if
you
end
up
with
a
a
developer,
who
does
not
want
to
follow
that
and
all
of
a
sudden
you
become
like
the
United
States
government
who
pays
Farmers
not
to
plant
crops,
we
pay
developers
not
to
develop.
That's
my
concern.
I.
C
G
I
think
I
think
it's
positive,
although
I
I
think
Mr
augerton
has
council.
Member
augerton
has
a
very
good
point.
I
think
that
our
new
members
have
not
had
enough
opportunity
to
review
this
information
with
the
staff
and
and
be
educated
and
informed
about
it.
So
I
would
prefer
to
table
it
for
now.
Okay,.
E
H
We
clear
this,
then
we
can
look
for
another
motion
to
amend
our
motion
to
table.
Thank
you.
So,
at
this
point,
we're
still
on
comments
and
I
think
everyone's
spoken
to
me.
I
just
don't
see
the
only
benefit
from
allowing
routine
public
comment
on
something
that
cannot
be
affected.
That
cannot
change
that
is
going
to
go
through
just
as
it
is,
it
really
is
more
proper
I
think
to
develop
the
code
underneath
that
that
is
to
do
it
over
and
over
and
over
again
on
every
site
plan.
H
So
I'm
going
to
oppose
the
emotion
and
I
do
think
there
is
Merit
to
about
spawning
I
will
give
that
an
opportunity
after
we
take
this
vote.
Any
last
comments:
okay,
we're
looking
for
we're.
Looking
for
your
approval,
disapproval
of
council
member
Maguire's
motion
to
amend
that
brings
it
back
onto
the
regular
Council
agenda.
B
E
C
H
E
C
H
N
N
G
N
G
N
H
C
D
D
H
N
If,
if
you
want
to
make
my
life
a
nightmare,
then
they
should
stay
together.
Yes,
absolutely
if
Council
were
to
approve,
for
example,
if
Council
were
to
approve
one
of
these
test
amendments
and
not
the
others
yeah,
then
we've
got
a
huge
disconnect
across
chapters
in
our
zoning
ordinance.
So
it'd
be
my
recommendation
to
continue
the
other
two
cases
as
well.
Once
they're,
both
read
into
the
record,
please:
okay,.