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A
A
A
A
A
I
signed
a
proclamation
Office
of
the
mayor,
Proclamation
ovarian
cancer
awareness
month,
whereas
ovarian
cancer
is
the
fifth
leading
cause
of
death
among
women
and
the
American
Cancer
Society
estimates.
Each
year
approximately
19
710
women
will
be
diagnosed
with
ovarian
cancer.
Cancer
in
2023
and
13
270
individuals
will
die
from
the
disease
Nationwide,
including
450
new
cases
and
320
deaths
in
Arizona
and
Nationwide.
A
woman's
lifetime
risk
of
being
diagnosed
with
ovarian
cancer
is
estimated
at
1
in
78.
A
Now
therefore,
I
mayor
of
Cave
Creek
Arizona,
do
hereby
Proclaim
September
2023
to
be
ovarian
cancer
awareness
month
to
increase
awareness
in
the
community
and
honor
those
who
are
or
have
been
affected
by
ovarian
cancer,
in
witness
thereof.
I
have
set
unto
my
hand
and
caused
the
Seal
of
the
Cave
Creek
Arizona
to
be
affixed.
This
18th
of
December
2023
and
it's
signed
by
Teresa
and
it's
signed
by
me
and
just
on
a
personal
note.
One
of
my
very
good
friends
died
just
a
year
or
two
ago
of
ovarian
cancer.
So.
E
A
I
ask
that
in
the
very
near
future,
you
place
a
discussion
item
on
the
regular
agenda
regarding
the
state,
trust
lands
and
the
town
of
cave
Creek's
plan
for
addressing
this
issue.
Ideally,
this
discussion
item
would
include
the
council
and
members
of
the
land
trust
in
an
open
and
public
forum
critical
to
our
planning.
This
issue
requires
a
close
look
open
minds
and
a
clear
understanding
of
the
situation
as
we
move
forward.
A
Teresa
has
collected
those
documents
that
we
have
here
in
town
hall
and
the
the
binder
is
in
our
mail
room
so
for
anyone
who'd
like
to
have
a
look
at
those
they're
available.
The
second
thing
is
you've
asked
me
to
invite
a
representative
of
the
state
historic
preservation
office
to
a
council
member
to
share
their
work.
They
will
share
how
preservation
planning
can
benefit
Our,
Town,
economically
and
guide
our
thinking
toward
the
acknowledgment
of
the
historic
preservation
goals
described
in
our
2021
General
plan.
A
Imagine
a
self-guided
trail
map
for
visitors
who
want
to
shop
and
exercise
in
our
town.
They
could
help
with
that
I've
contacted
the
shippo
staff
and
they're
willing
to
share
their
resources
and
experience
that
they've
learned
through
working
with
Arizona
municipalities.
We
just
need
a
date.
Thank
you.
I've
asked
staff
to
schedule
that
perfect.
A
F
C
Have
one
very
quickly,
I
just
would
like
to
acknowledge
that
several
of
us
went
to
the
annual
League
of
Arizona
cities
and
towns
conference
that
was
held
in
Tucson.
It's
an
annual
event
that
attracts
about
a
thousand
or
more
elected
officials
from
every
city
in
Arizona.
There
are
multiple
days
of
sessions
that
learning
sessions
on
topics
including
Planning
and
Development
media
relations,
preservation,
everything
that
we're
interested
in
in
Cave
Creek.
So
it
was
a
valuable
experience
for
myself
for
the
last
couple
of
years
and
I'm
glad
that
several
of
us
went.
C
A
G
Okay,
my
name
is
Julie
goldhammer
I
live
at
34022
North
52nd
Street
across
the
street,
from
a
proposed
rezoning
of
County
Island
Property,
the
applicant
is
Toy
Barn.
The
very
best
benefits
we
have
in
that
area
are
our
views.
The
wonderful
Ambience
of
the
nature,
the
Flora,
the
fauna
and
Our
Kind.
Neighbors
I
want
to
thank
Luke
for
his
time
last
week,
explaining
the
nuances
of
rezoning
and
site
plans.
I
learned
during
our
conversation
that
toy
barn
approached
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
several
times
over
the
years
trying
to
get
into
the
town.
G
The
town's
stance
was
that
that
particular
usage
doesn't
serve
the
people
of
Cave
Creek,
because
the
average
lot
size
in
town
is
2.5
acres,
and
if
we
have
luxury
toys,
we
are
going
to
store
them
on
our
own
property
like
I.
Have
there
was
also
no
tax
benefit
for
the
town.
So
here's
my
request
to
the
town
tonight
for
this
call
to
the
public.
Can
we
please
create
a
neighborhood
advocacy
service?
G
Here
are
some
ways
we
could
accommodate
this
advocacy
and
what
I'm
driving
at
here
is
to
advocate
for
Town
residents,
who
are
going
to
be
impacted
by
projects
or
other
shenanigans
that
are
contiguous
to
town
land.
Could
we
ask
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
to
take
on
an
added
task
to
support
and
advocate
for
the
town
residents
included,
include
shooting
in
neighboring
areas
or
could
Town
staff
maybe
help
just
like
they
help
applicants
with
their
rezoning
and
site
plans?
G
We'd
appreciate
some
sort
of
support
when
it
comes
to
intergovernmental
agreements,
neighboring
development
and
traffic
impact
one
way
or
another.
This
development
is
going
to
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
area
from
the
concrete,
the
asphalt,
the
traffic,
the
fire
service
and
drainage
onto
52nd,
Street
and
we'd
like
to
have
some
support
from
the
experts
in
our
town.
So
here's
my
catchy
little
phrase
for
you.
If
it
touches
Town
land,
please
will
you
lend
a
hand?
Thank
you.
D
H
Our
issue
in
the
Saguaro
West
area
is
that
they
are
planning
to
have
an
exit
come
onto
52nd,
Street
and
52nd
Street,
insofar
as
I'm
aware
does
belong
to
the
town
of
Cave
Creek.
So
we
do
have
a
little
skin
in
the
game
here,
52nd
Street,
being
an
area
where
we
frequently
have
traffic
and
congestion
problems
and
things
of
that
nature.
H
So,
while
the
storage
facility
would
not
have
been
my
first
choice
of
neighbors
to
be
there,
it's
not
an
awful
thing:
it
is
low
traffic
and
relatively
low
crime.
Julie
goldamer
and
I
have
been
working
very
hard
with
the
developer
himself.
His
name
is
Paul
he's
been
very
kind
to
us,
working
as
well
with
his
engineers
and
members
of
the
county
of
Maricopa,
and
we
have
a
meeting
again
with
them.
Thursday
I
do
want
to
tell
you
that
we
have
made
some
progress
with
them.
H
So
at
the
meeting
on
Thursday,
what
we
are
going
to
discuss
are
the
areas
where
we
cannot
agree,
and
that
is
the
fact
that
these
are
monolithic
buildings.
They
can
be
up
to
35
feet
tall
now
in
their
commercial
zoning.
They
can
go
up
to
30,
but
they
are
putting
in
Apex
or
an
apron
to
cover
the
rooftop
air
conditioning
units
giving
the
appearance
of
a
much
larger
building
than
normal.
H
We
don't
have
anything
like
that
in
our
neighborhood.
We
I
think
we
have
maybe
to
one
or
two
two-story
houses.
The
rest
of
us
are
all
single
family
residences.
So
this
is
a
a
huge
change.
It
does
impact
the
views
for
my
neighbors
on
the
52nd
Street
area
and
I
am
speaking
out
together
with
them
on
this.
H
H
Fence
belongs
to
Desert
Foothills
Landscaping
I,
believe
that
setback
is
somewhere
around
25
feet,
so
for
them
to
remove
that
perimeter,
fencing
and
then
come
on
to
52nd
Street
with
that
is
a
bit
of
an
issue
for
residents,
so
all
continues
to
negotiate
and
Julie,
as
well
as
the
rest
of
the
residents
who
have
attended
this
meeting.
If
we
have
to
come
to
you,
what
all
I'm
asking
is
that
you
lend
an
ear
and
and
be
supportive.
A
E
Julie
wants
time
for
that.
The
Toy
Barn
would
be
directly
across
the
street
from
you,
I,
don't
know
whether
that's
a
good
thing
or
or
not.
I
do
know
from
talking
to
one
of
the
neighbors
by
the
Toy
Barn
on
Cave
Creek
that
when
they
built
that
and
it's
only
a
few
residential
homes
on
that
I
think
it's
a
pleasant,
Forest
Drive
and
I
I
I
I
canvas,
neighborhood
I
went
around
to
see
what
I
could
see
and
one
guy
was
out
there.
I
stopped
I
talked
to
him.
E
E
Him,
but
even
though
it
was
to
the
side,
he
said
it
muted,
some
of
the
noise
from
Cave
Creek
all
over
okay,
that's
a
good
thing.
I
can
I
can
go
for
that.
However,
from
my
personal
perspective,
one
of
the
things
I
liked
about
living
on
52nd
Street
is
I
get
up
every
morning.
I
watch
the
sunrise
and
that
building
would
block
my
sunrises.
E
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
really
like
about
living
where
I
live
the
sunrise
and
the
way
the
light
comes
in
through
the
blinds
and
just
illuminates
the
whole
house
there's
an
awning.
So
when
the
sun
comes
a
little
higher,
it's
it's
shame
so
I'm
going
to
lose
that
they're
going
to
take
that
away.
Let's
say
it's
a
taking
if
I'm
going
to
give
up
something
like
that,
I
would
want
to
be
compensated
or
at
least
see
the
neighborhood
compensated.
E
Is
when
I
go
in
my
morning,
walk
I
go
down,
I
go
through
the
neighborhood
and
I
walk
out
around
fries
and
I
come
back
into
the
neighborhood
when
I
get
down
to
Fry's.
It
I
dread
it
in
the
summer,
because
that
building
is
radiating
Heat
and
what
we're
doing
when
we
build
another
building
like
a
toy
barn,
whether
we're
anticipating
it
or
not,
we're
going
to
be
generating
more
heat,
we're
we're
becoming
urbanized
acidified.
E
C
As
you
know,
in
our
budget
we
budget
funds
each
year
for
the
tourism
Bureau,
and
that
is
run
by
a
the
head
volunteer,
Nina
Spitzer,
who
does
a
yeoman's
job
in
coordinating
that
last
week
she
held
her
annual
appreciation
dinner
and
for
her
volunteers.
They
have
up
to
32
volunteers
now
who
work
full-time
hours
and
part-time
hours
over
at
the
tourism
Bureau,
and
so
they
have
their
appreciation
dinner
and
then
that's
really
their
kickoff
meeting
for
the
new
season
which
will
open
in
October.
C
So
they
had
that
at
a
crying
coyote
and
they
had
a
wonderful
turnout
and
it's
just
a
great
volunteer
organization
that
the
the
town
provides
some
funds
for,
and
we're
really
grateful
for
all
those
people,
but
especially
Nina
for
spending
so
much
time.
Coordinating
that,
and
she
also
is
essentially
the
editor
of
the
tourism
Bureau
or
our
newsletter.
That
goes
out
each
month
to
the
businesses
and
Beyond.
C
So
I
want
to
thank
her
and
all
those
volunteers
and
they're
gearing
up
for
the
new
season,
so
they'll
be
open
in
October
and
part
of
the
tourism
Bureau
New
activities.
We
had
this
a
year
ago,
or
so
they
put
together
a
Cave
Creek
concierge
tour
for
the
surrounding
hotels
and
bring
those
folks
that
work
the
concierge
into
town.
We
take
them
on
a
tour
around
the
town
and
we
start
out
usually
with
a
a
talk.
C
I've
talked
before
and
I
know:
Mr
Bunch,
as
the
mayor
has
spoken
and
I,
don't
know
if
we've
had
one
since
you've
become
mayor,
but
but
you'll
probably
be
invited
to
say
a
few
words
to
those
folks
and
they
just
learn
about
the
town
and
and
those
are
the
hotels
that
are
sending
folks
to
to
our
community
for
all
of
the
activities
and
the
businesses.
So
we're
grateful
for
that
opportunity
as
well
and
then
last
but
not
least,
I
do
want
to
let
you
know.
C
The
sign
that
was
damaged
at
the
entrance
south
of
of
town
hall
here
is.
The
design
has
been
approved
thanks
to
the
towns
engineer,
who
found
a
place
that
will
manufacture
our
welcome
to
Cave
Creekside,
so
the
design
has
been
signed
off
on
so
that
they
can
move
forward
with
their
manufacturing.
It'll
take
two
to
three
weeks
for
them
to
actually
create
the
sign
in
probably
another
week
for
staff
to
get
that
installed.
So
you'll
see
that
again
in
about
a
month
or
so
well,.
C
Word
a
little
thing:
yes,
and
then
it
says:
welcome
to
Cave
Creek
has
a
little
Rider
on
a
horse
and
settled
and
Incorporated.
So
it's
very
similar
Hal
took
a
lot
of
care
to
go
out
and
measure
out
proportionally
how
it
was
going
to
look
from
photos.
So
so
he
did
a
good
job
and
it's
relatively
inexpensive
compared
to
all
our
other
quotes
So.
C
D
C
A
D
I
Good
evening,
mayor
and
Council,
we
just
talked
about
Carrie's
retirement.
This
one
isn't
as
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
that
we're
gonna
we're
trying
to
retire
a
2009
vehicle
that
hasn't
that
probably
has
served
us
well,
but
we're
trying
to
replace
it
with
something
a
little
bit
more
Universal
and
that
we
can
use
our
current
2009
truck.
It
has
one
dumpster
that
it
can
use
and
it
can
only
use
that
dumpster.
I
We
went
up
one
chassis
size
to
get
to
something
that
would
take
a
40-yard
dumpster,
a
universal
dumpster,
so
that
we
could
eventually
cut
up
cut
down
the
costs
of
the
rentals.
When
we
do
like
the
drop
off
and
things
like
that
that
we
could
actually
go
pick
up,
the
dumpsters
bring
it
bring
it
to
town,
bring
it
to
our
different
things
that
we
need,
and
also
it
would
give
us
more
room
in
the
dumpster,
because
we'd
be
using
a
40
yard
rather
than
I.
I
Think
the
one
we
have
now
is
about
a
15
yard.
Dumpster
the
we
had
a
budgeted
amount
of
215
000..
This
one
came
in
at
220.
We
had
other
bids
that
came
in
other
proposals
or
similar
vehicles
that
came
in
around
260
270..
This
one
includes
a
40-yard
dumpster
with
it,
where
the
other
ones
didn't,
and
so
we
feel
we're
getting
a
very
good
bang
for
the
buck
by
going
to
this
larger
vehicle
that
will
take
a
take
a
standard
size,
40
yard
dumpster,
and
with
that
I'll
answer,
any
questions
I.
A
A
Let
me
just
point
out,
certainly
that
we're
not
in
the
trash
business
number
two
is
it's
an
upgrade?
It's
an
increase
in
capacity
from
what
we
have
right
now.
Three
there's
no
information
in
here
as
to
whether
the
truck
is
worn
out
how
many
hours
are
on
it.
There's
no
economics
as
to
how
much
it's
saving
us,
how
much
it
costs
us
to
do
this.
The
format
of
the
request
is
at
issue.
Not
not
not
the
decision
to
buy
this.
A
A
K
K
Finance
is
currently
reviewing
and
confirming
our
fiscal
year
2023
numbers
and
making
our
Gap
in
accrual
entries
in
preparation
for
our
upcoming
audit
by
Baker
Tilly,
and
that
audited
financial
report
with
the
final
numbers
will
be
final
audited.
Numbers
will
be
coming
to
council
and
the
audit
Committee
in
December
of
this
year.
So
I
want
to
start
tonight
by
presenting
the
financial
information
for
the
major
general
fund,
General
governmental
funds,
and
then
I
will
follow
up
with
the
financial
report
for
the
Enterprise
funds.
K
So
starting
here
with
the
first
slide,
this
shows
the
town's
general
fund
revenues
and
the
town
and
ended
fiscal
year
2023
with
actual
Revenue
collected
of
14
million.
Seventy
two
thousand
fifty
four
dollars,
which
is
116
of
the
adopted
budget
for
fiscal
year
23.,
the
town
collected
a
million
942
254
more
in
revenues
than
were
budgeted.
K
K
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K
K
A
C
C
A
K
Okay,
so
the
next
slide
is
a
pie
graph
of
are
the
town's
revenues
for
fiscal
year
2023,
which
basically
shows
the
local
tax
of
all.
The
revenues
received.
The
local
tax
category
was
70
percent,
followed
by
the
state
shared
revenues
of
14
of
our
pie
and
local
fees.
Interest
income,
both
coming
in
at
seven
percent
and
miscellaneous
Revenue,
representing
two
percent
of
the
total.
N
K
Okay,
so
we're
going
to
move
staying
in
the
general
fund,
we're
moving
from
revenues
over
to
the
expenditure
side,
and
this
next
slide
shows
our
operating
expenditures
by
Department
and
through
the
fourth
quarter
for
fiscal
year.
2023
all
of
our
general
fund
departments
ended
the
year
below
their
budgets,
with
total
operating
expenditures
for
the
year
at
90.7
of
budget
for
for
all
of
our
general
fund
departments.
C
C
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K
All
of
our
general
fund,
Department
Capital
expenditures,
also
ended
the
year
below
budget,
and
this
was
mainly
due
to
projects
that
were
budgeted
but
not
fully
expended
or
completed
before
the
end
of
the
year
and
in
showing
on
there.
The
the
biggest
one
is
the
public
safety
fire
and
emergency,
which
was
for
the
it
budgeted
for
the
fire.
Station,
remodel
and
Jim
had
worked
on
getting
the
design
and
stuff
done,
but
the
construction
actually
hadn't
started,
so
that
project
will
be
rolling
forward
into
fiscal
year.
2024.
K
A
B
K
Our
other
major
other
governmental
fund
was
for
across
and
spur
cross
received,
a
million
833
496
or
119.5
percent
of
budget
in
local,
and
that
was
mostly
due
to
local
taxes.
We
had
also
received
more
as
similar
to
the
general
fund.
Spur
cross
also
receives
those
a
portion
of
those
taxes,
and
so
that
that
also
came
in
over
budget
and
on
the
expenditure
side
for
spur
cross.
C
D
C
D
C
C
Those
things
in
that
were
designed
in
the
master
plan
many
years
ago,
and
they
need
to
better
align
themselves
with
what
the
master
plan
should
say,
what
we're
actually
going
to
do
and
the
contract
should
say
we're
going
to
do
things
that
the
master
plan
comes.
So
we've
been
talking
about
that
for
a
long
time
and
the
director
RJ,
Carton
and
I
have
had
a
conversation
about
that
in
the
last
couple
of
months.
So
it's
just
getting
it
on
the
docket
and
getting
going,
but
we
need
we
need
to
work
on
that.
C
K
K
0.9
percent
of
budget
local
sales
taxes
and
Sewer
user
fees
ended
the
fiscal
year
higher
than
was
originally
projected
and
those
revenues
included.
Half
the
year
of
the
new
Council
adopted
sewer
rates
in
that
3.1
million
they're
represented
in
the
actual
revenues
operating
expenditures
ended
the
fiscal
year
at
a
million
540
for
575,
which
was
slightly
above
budget
Capital
project
expenses
of
a
hundred
and
one
thousand
five.
Eighty
three
for
Wastewater
we're
under
budget
and
Debt
Service
expenses
of
principal
and
interest
were
a
million
894
575
for
fiscal
year,
2023.
K
A
K
Soon,
as
we
get
through
our
audit,
we'll
come
back
to
council
with
that
with
that
final
number,
probably
the
end
of
October,
maybe
the
beginning
of
November,
so
we'll
we'll
bring
those
final
numbers
once
we
get
our
the
numbers
that
are
audited
and
we
we
get
to
sign
off
from
Baker
Tilly
on
that
bring
that
back.
That
could
be
good
news.
Yes,.
K
operating
expenditures
entered
the
fiscal,
ended
the
fiscal
year
at
three
million
seven,
twenty
six,
eight
eleven,
which
was
slightly
above
budget
and
capital
expenditures
below
budget
at
706
thousand
forty
six
dollars
or
69.4
percent
of
budget.
The
water
meter
replacement
and
plant
maintenance
capital
projects,
along
with
the
continuation
of
the
integrated
utility
master
plan
for
the
water
treatment
plant
and
the
purchase
of
the
hydro,
Back
trailer
and
backhoe
account
for
the
69.4
percent.
K
That's
expensed
there
in
the
capital
projects,
category
the
Phoenix
interconnect,
project
expenses
ended
the
fiscal
year
at
a
million
154
139
or
59.2
percent
of
budget
and
The
Debt
Service
expenses
of
principal
and
interest
were
two
million
344
000
for
fiscal
year
2023
and
shown
above
budget
on
this
slide
due
to
The
Debt
Service
budget
allocation.
That
was
in
place
in
fiscal
year.
2023.
K
And
then
our
last
Enterprise
fund,
which
is
shown
here
next,
is
the
Desert
Hills
Water
Company.
It
shows
revenues
a
year
to
date,
at
three
million
223
130
or
92.6
percent
of
budget.
The
water
usage
fees
came
in
slightly
below
the
budgeted
projection.
Operating
expenses
came
in.
Oh
sorry,
operating
expenses
came
in
at
2,
154
168
and
are
tracking
slightly
above
budget
and
capital
expenditures
for
Desert
Hills
ended
the
year
at
128,
707
or
57.2
percent
of
budget.
K
And
then
the
final
slide
for
the
presentation
tonight
is
just
the
debt
overview
slide.
We
made
our
seven
one
2023
Debt
Service
payments,
and
this
is
the
slide
that
shows
where
our
for
each
of
our
Enterprise
funds,
where
our
debt
originally
started
and
after
we
made
The
7-1
Debt
Service
payment
where
we
ended
so
the
outstanding
principle
after
the
7-1
2023
Debt
Service
payment
is
currently
just
under
21
million,
with
all
Debt
Service
currently
in
place
at
that
point
in
time
to
be
extinguished
by
2023.
C
D
A
K
A
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O
O
Local
landmarks
was
officially
launched
as
a
pilot
program
by
the
Town
Council
in
December
of
2020
by
resolution.
R
2020-29,
which
recognized
the
first
six
locations.
Those
were
Heralds
Hideaway,
big
girls,
oreganos
Dairy
Queen
and
the
Trading
Post,
the
town
coordinated
with
those
locations,
as
well
as
with
Evelyn
Johnson
who's
with
the
Cave
Creek
Museum
through
2021
to
develop
content
order,
bronze,
plaques
and
schedule
presentations.
O
The
town
was
fortunate
to
have
Kelly
Francis
Brown
on
staff
to
dedicate
considerable
energy
to
get
the
project
going
in
that
pilot
year.
The
program
was
extended
by
Town
Council
resolution
r2022-01
in
January
of
2022
recognizing
an
additional
10
locations,
those
being
Black
Mountain
Feed,
the
Buffalo
Chip
Indian
village,
El
Encanto
horny
toad
lassan,
Susi,
American,
Legion,
Post,
34,
Desert,
Foothills,
Library,
Cave,
Creek,
Museum
and
Frontier
Town.
O
To
date,
nine
of
those
locations
have
been
awarded
their
plaques
beginning
last
September,
with
the
American
Legion
and
being
completed
last
month
with
lisan
soucy,
the
owner
of
Frontier
Town
contacted
the
town
wishing
not
to
proceed
as
a
member
of
the
program.
At
this
time,
I
will
follow
up
with
with
the
pigler
family
and
and
see
how
that
progresses.
O
From
the
outset
of
the
program,
The
Cave
Creek
museum
has
been
integral
to
the
selection
of
the
locations,
providing
location,
content
and
participating
in
the
recognition
recognition
Ceremonies
for
the
locations,
they've,
they've
kind
of
been
our
quality
control
for
for
content
and
everything
that's
produced
and
put
on
bronze.
We
want
to
make
sure
is
accurate
before
we
order
those
plaques
and
put
them
on
buildings.
O
This
evening
the
Town
Council
will
consider
recognizing
an
additional
five
locations
that
contribute
to
the
character
of
the
Town,
those
being
Cave
Creek
Regional
Park
spur
cross,
Branch,
Conservation,
Area,
Black,
Mountain,
Preserve,
desert
awareness
Park
and
the
Cave
Creek
Memorial
Arena,
which
would
bring
the
total
program
portfolio
to
20,
recognized
local
Landmark
locations.
The
program
has
arrived
at
a
place
where
the
Cave
Creek
museum
is
able
to
assume
responsibility
of
completing
the
awarding
of
remaining
locations
and
working
with
the
tourism
Bureau
to
develop
marketing
specific
to
Cave
Creek's
local
landmarks,
really
promoting
the
program.
O
Kelly
is
now
on
staff
for
the
Cave
Creek
Museum
and
her
knowledge
of
the
program
makes
the
museum
an
ideal
caretaker
for
the
local
landmarks.
Moving
forward
obvious
to
the
to
most,
the
program
does
come
with
a
cost,
so
budgetary
consideration
would
be
determined
and
ultimately
approved
by
the
Town
Council
during
its
budget
adoption
process
each
fiscal
year
in
order
to
continue
its
support
for
the
program
we've
already
kind
of
spoken
to
the
director
of
The
Cave
Creek
Museum,
you
know
as
soon
as
there
as
recent
as
earlier
this
evening.
O
Talking
about
how
many
more
landmarks
would
be
identified.
What
that
ongoing
promotion
may
look
like
just
in
in
loose
terms
for
a
budget
and
it's
something
that
would
be
discussed
with
Council
through
the
budget
adoption
process
each
year,
those
those
numbers
will
change,
should
Council
approved
these
resolutions
this
evening,
plaques
will
be
ordered
for
the
five
public
parks.
Previously
mentioned
and
staff
will
coordinate
the
transfer
of
the
program
to
The
Cave,
Creek
Museum
and
that's
all
I
have
to
report.
Thank
you
mayor.
A
A
Okay,
then
we
are
ready,
for
we
have
two
motions,
so
I
guess
we'll
start
with
number
one
and
then,
when
that's
finished,
we'll
go
to
number
two
motion
to
approve
a
resolution:
r
2023-19,
a
resolution
of
the
mayor
and
Town
Council
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Maricopa
County
Arizona,
identifying
five
significant
places
in
Cave
Creek,
further
encouraging
residents
and
visitors
to
support
the
places
that
make
Cave
Creek
unique
through
the
local
landmarks
program.
Second,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
the
ice
habit,
6-0
Mr
Elkin.
Would
you
like
to
make
number
two
I?
D
A
The
mission
statement
of
the
Cave
Creek
museum
is
to
preserve
the
artifacts
related
to
the
prehistory
history
and
culture
of
the
Cave
Creek
Carefree
Foothills,
the
town
of
Cave
Creek,
already
supports
the
museum
in
significant
ways.
Our
work
with
the
museum
will
only
grow
as
our
history
and
unique
location
can
you
continues
to
attract
tourists
specifically
and
in
consultation
with
the
town.
The
museum
will
assume
the
process
for
nomination
and
selection
of
the
landmarks.
There
are
two
other
elements
for
consideration
that
must
be
mentioned
in
this
process.
A
Each
Landmark
plaque
has
a
QR
code
image.
These
QR
images
are
designed
to
link
to
the
town
website
and
lead
the
viewer
to
our
video
library
and
a
deeper
written
narrative
describing
the
significance
of
that
landmark.
The
system
needs
to
be
completed
in
that
work
must
reside
with
the
town.
Linking
the
landmarks
to
the
digitally
to
the
town
digitally
has
two
features.
Our
history
is
celebrated
and
we
move
our
trail
system
into
an
enhanced
space
of
Economic
Development.
When
Trail
Loops
are
identified,
Trail
users
will
enjoy
our
deep
history.
C
Would
just
like
to
thank
the
Cave
Creek,
Museum
and
Evelyn
in
particular,
for
spearheading
this
project
and
taking
the
lead
on
it
and
promoting
it
in
various
media,
because
I
think
it's
just
as
Paul
said
it's
very
important
in
this
community
to
recognize
our
history
and
other
important
buildings
within
our
town
and
you've
done
a
very
good
job
and
then
we
gladly
hand
it
over
to
you.
Thank
you.
A
Other
comments
from
Council
my
only
comment:
I
was
there
Saturday
night
yeah
Saturday
night
and
lots
of
new
exhibits,
very
good
exhibits
and
interesting
exhibits,
so
I
urge
everybody
to
go,
see
the
museum.
It's
going
to
open.
October
yeah
done
a
lot
of
work
since
it
closed
at
the
start
of
last
summer,
I.
C
A
O
Seat
well-
let's
cool
down
in
here,
so
thank
you
for
turning
the
AC.
So
this
is
the
following.
Is
a
report
based
on
the
critical
topics
recognized
that
the
joint
work
session
of
the
Town
Council
and
Planning
Commission
I'm,
going
to
cheat
a
little
bit?
There
were
two
two
items
that
were
on
the
second
wave
list,
but
they
were
talked
about
extensively
from
the
minutes,
so
I've
included
those
in
your
report
this
evening
as
well.
O
I'm
going
to
start
just
by
you
know
reiterating
that
the
Town
Council
had
held
a
joint
work
session
with
a
Planning
Commission
on
June
20th
just
earlier
this
year
and
here's
this
report
based
on
what
was
identified
as
critical
impact.
I'll
start
with
what
I've
called
item
number
one,
which
is
the
town
core
plan
and
slash.
They
were
kind
of
grouped
together
parking
in
the
town
core.
O
The
Italian
core
plan
was
adopted
in
2012
and
amended
last
amended
in
2017..
Earlier
this
year
the
Planning
Commission
held
a
workshop
to
discuss
the
town
core
plan
and
upcoming
staff
will
prepare
a
case
File
and
begin
the
process
for
updating
the
town
core
plan.
We've
identified
at
least
two
public
input
meetings,
as
well
as
two
Planning
Commission
hearing
hearings
prior
to
forwarding
a
recommendation
to
the
Town
Council,
which
we've
anticipated
would
come
to
the
Town
Council
in
February
for
a
recommendation,
or
to
consider
the
planning
commission's
draft
recommendation
of
the
tone
core
plan.
O
O
O
O
So
that
it
looks
so
this
month
we
would
generate
the
case.
File
we'd
hold
a
input
meeting
in
October,
then
a
a
Planning
Commission
public
Hearing
in
November,
followed
by
another
input
meeting
and
then
December
the
Planning
Commission
would
hold
their
second
public
hearing
and
then
forward
a
recommendation
at
that
point
or
decide
to
hold
additional
meetings
if
necessary.
O
The
next
the
next
item
is
parking
parking
is
a
component
of
both
the
general
plan
and
sound
core
plan
from
the
general
plan.
It's
quoted
there's
a
shortage
of
parking
in
the
town
core.
That's
a
very
succinct
and
deliberate
message.
If
there
ever
was
one
the
stated
goal
from
the
town,
Corp
plan
states
provide
for
adequate
parking
within
the
core
area,
So
based
on
those
things,
the
town
purchased
a
0.94
acre
property
in
2008
for
the
purpose
of
public
parking.
O
O
The
zoning
ordinance
contains
requirements
Associated
to
parking
which
is
based
off
of
Gross,
floor
area
and
type
of
use,
for
example,
office
retail,
restaurant
assembly
and
Industrial.
Since
the
creation
of
the
Cave
Creek
Fire
Department,
which
is
managed
by
Daisy
Mountain,
the
town
assumed
responsibility
of
annual
fire
safety
inspections
of
commercial
businesses.
A
component
of
this
inspection
determines
the
occupant
load
of
commercial
spaces,
so
standing
room
is
given
a
certain.
You
know
how
many
people
can
fit
in
a
standing
area
and
how
many
access
emergency
access
or
exits
are
required.
O
The
same
goes
for
you
know:
closed-in
buildings
and
structures,
restaurants,
retail
the
town
now
since
taking
starting
a
fire
department,
has
now
taken
over
the
responsibility
for
conducting
these
annual
fire
inspections.
They
used
to
be
conducted
by
rural
metro,
so
this
gives
the
town
the
opportunity
to
conduct
an
annual
inspection
and
that
will
provide
staff
information
related
to
floor
areas,
changes
in
floor
areas
over
time,
whether
permitted
or
otherwise,
and
help
staff
gain
compliance
where
necessary.
O
Staff
will
continue
to
seek
public
parking
opportunities
within
the
town
core
and
encourage
businesses
to
work
together
and
with
staff
to
accommodate
parking
opportunities
for
their
patrons
there's
no
timeline
associated
with
parking.
It's
it's
obviously
an
issue
and
something
that
we're
constantly
aware
of
and
working
to
resolve,
there's
no
one-size-fits-all
or
magic
pill.
It's
it's
really
trying
to
find
parking
where
we
can
encourage
businesses
to
open
up
parking
to
other
businesses.
If
they're,
a
nine
to
five.
You
know,
office
type
use,
allow
public
parking
and
nighttime
hours.
O
Mayor
members
of
council,
the
first
thing
that
we
need
to
get
our
arms
around
which
we're
working,
Chief,
Ford
and
Ben
Carr.
The
building
official
myself
have
been
meeting
to
discuss
getting
all
the
businesses
up
to
date,
occupant
load
postings,
that's
really
the
first
critical
thing
that
must
happen
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
get
done
as
soon
as
possible.
With
our
annual
fire
inspection
go
and
measure
areas
have
occupant
loads
posted.
O
A
C
That's
Chief,
Ford
has
met
with
staff,
and
we've
had
very
detailed
discussions
about
how
that's
done
and
how
it's
handled,
and
once
the
occupancy
load
is
posted.
You've
got
a
current
site
plan,
they
have
to
follow
the
occupancy
load
and
you
can
ask
them
to
prove
how
many
patrons
have
entered
and
exit
and
come
up
with
the
current
number,
and
you
know
if
they're
significantly
over.
O
Just
to
follow
up
on
that
occupant
load
really
has
no
direct
connection
to
parking
in
that
buses
of
people
can
be
delivered
to
a
place
and
those
buses
leave
and
there's
no
cars
associated
with
those
people.
So
what
we're
trying
to
start
with
is
get
a
get.
Our
like
I
mentioned,
get
our
arms
around.
What
are
the
actual
occupant
loads
of
areas
that
are
open
to
the
general
public
for
different
businesses.
Could.
A
We
just
poll
and
ask
how
many
tables
and
chairs
they
have
and
then
how
many
parking
spaces
they
have,
because
if
you
go
to
a
restaurant
or
you
go
to
a
bar
standing
room,
only
maybe
three
or
four
times
a
year,
but
the
rest
of
the
time
people
are
going
to
be
sitting
down.
That's
where
the
parking
problem
comes
in.
C
These
businesses
and
I
think
that's
the
key
that
that
Luke
is
saying
it's
the
site
plan.
The
site
plan
will
be
on
record
and
it
will
be
documented
for
standing
or
sitting
in
the
number
of
tables,
the
chairs
Etc,
and
so
they
might
have
a
move
around
a
combination
of
those,
but
they
still
can't
exceed
a
total
number
and
the
site
plan
is
what
will
become
our
record
on
file
for
that
business.
I.
A
A
Many
of
those
have
been
in
place
for
multiples
of
years
coming
back
and
going
after
those
businesses
is
probably
not
in
the
best
interest
of
the
town.
So
the
question
is:
can
we
just
get
the
numbers
of
tables
and
the
numbers
of
chairs,
and
can
we
get
the
numbers
of
parking
spaces
that
will
identify
what
the
overall
parking
shortfall
should
be
and
I'm
not
worried
about
the
standing
room?
C
Or
anything,
no
Merrick,
that's
not!
We
we
understand
completely
and
yes,
we'll
we'll
do
that.
There
are
some
one
of
the
advantages
to
the
fire
code.
Inspections
is,
we
will
catch
earlier
and
more
frequently
any
non-permitted
activities
that
have,
and
so
this
will
hopefully
eliminate
any
additions
without
a
permit,
we'll
catch
that
and
and
those
would
have
to
be
removed
if
they
don't
have
a
permit
so
that.
C
Mayor
vice
mayor,
they
have
to
come
in
for
a
special
event
permit,
and
that
would
be
the
way
that
you
could
control
crowds.
But
basically
a
special
event
is
a
special
event
and
you
typically
have
larger
crowds
at
certain
times,
and
you
expect
that
for
a
short
period
of
time
and
that's
what
you're
issuing
it
for
it's,
not
an
ongoing
everyday
situation.
So.
O
And
luckily,
for
me,
someone
thought
it
would
be
wise
to
remove
special
events
from
the
zoning
ordinance
some
time
ago
and
put
it
in
the
town
code.
So
it's
it
rests
the
responsibility.
Rest,
that's
another
way
of
saying
the
responsibility
to
approve
a
special
event
rests
with
the
with
the
council.
In
that
case,.
A
But
the
occupancy
is
a
health
is
a
safety
issue.
There
have
been
dramatic,
there
have
been
fires
or
many
thousands
of
thousands
of
people
back
East
were
killed.
World
War,
II
sometime.
That
started
a
lot
of
this
up.
So
that's
a
law
just
like
speeding,
murder,
it's
a
law,
it's
not
a
town
practice
on
how
many
parking
places
you
have.
So
these
are
two
separate
issues
that
have
a
degree
of
interface,
but
they
are
two
separate
issues.
Correct.
O
Yes,
mayor,
absolutely,
that's
I
can't
stress
it
enough.
It's
the
town
now
having
the
ownership
and
the
responsibility
to
conduct
these
annual
fire
inspections.
That
really
gives
us
added
benefits
to
look
at
health,
safety
and
Welfare
of
the
people
that
are
coming
to
these
businesses,
and
that's
that's
the
angle
that
we're
trying
to
pursue
not
close
businesses
down
or
or
do
any
of
those
things
yeah.
We
don't
want
to
close.
F
Mr
Mayor,
your
your
point
about
two
different
parallel
paths
is
that
is
correct.
What
Luke
is
telling
you
he
is
suggesting,
and
Carrie
is
suggesting
that
you
and
then
that
you're
they're
going
to
develop
data
through
these
inspections
to
identify
parking
problems.
That
then
presents
you,
the
council
with
two
issues.
One
issue
is
how
to
provide
more
parking,
and
the
second
probably
less
acceptable
issue
is:
do
you
wish
to
start
issuing
citations
and
so
I
think
now
the
the
the
challenge
now
is
to
get
the
data.
O
O
Mixed
use
allows
for
a
an
applicant,
an
owner
within
that
land
use
area,
to
submit
a
zone,
change
request
to
the
town
and
upon
recommendation
of
the
Planning
Commission,
the
Town
Council
can
consider
rezoning
a
property
to
any
of
the
specified
zoning
categories
within
within
our
ordinance.
Area
18
has
eight
Parcels
remaining
totaling
14
acres
that
are
currently
zoned
dr43
area.
O
Staff
would
start
by
contacting
the
owners
of
the
property
owners
within
areas
18
and
10
and
discuss
their
near
and
long-term
plans.
Beginning
with
you
know,
I
would
send
out
certified
letters
later
this
month,
just
to
kind
of
ring
the
bell
and
see
if,
if
anyone
wishes
to
discuss
their
near
and
long-term
plans,
so
staff
will
communicate
to
the
individual
Property
Owners,
there's
14
in
total,
eight
in
18,
Area,
18
and
6
in
area
10..
Some
of
those
are
local
residents
and
some
are
not
well.
O
What
staff
would
wish
to
do
with
these
owners
is
make
sure
that
they
understand
that
they
need
to
consider
uses
and
enhance
development
mitigations
to
address
concerns
of
adjacent
residential
neighborhoods
prior
to
any
potential
applications
being
filed.
I
think
that
became
apparently
clear
what
the
the
two
zone
change
requests
earlier
or
actually
they
were
filed
last
year
considered
by
Council
earlier
this
year.
O
So
with
that
stuff,
we'll
prepare
to
make
contact
with
those
owners
and
continue
to
update
the
town
manager.
The
progress
moving
forward
really
in
this
report
it
outlines
what
could
occur.
Each
individual
property
owner
within
those
areas
can
submit
a
a
zone
change
request
at
any
time.
A
group
of
them
could
get
together
and
submit
his
own
change
request
at
any
time.
O
Individual
Property
Owners
may
wish
not
to
proceed,
and
the
Town
Council
May
initiate
applications
for
an
amendment
and
the
really
what
I
would
what
I
would
say
is
to
anybody
that
was
wish
to
explore
or
examine
you
know.
I've
had
conversations
with
with
various
owners
and
before
they
submitted
anything
I
would
I
would
recommend
that
they
have
a
meeting
with
neighborhood,
many
of
whom
are
behind
me
this
evening
and
discuss
those
things
and
try
to
come
to
an
understanding
of
what
would
be
acceptable
for
that
area.
In
general,.
A
A
O
D
M
M
The
last
20
years,
so
that
it
could
be
a
blend
of
predictable
residential
use
for
those
that
don't
want
to
leave
but
exist
side
by
side
with
commercial,
with
an
understanding
of
what.
Maybe
a
new
analysis
could
be
for
a
traffic
flow.
And
can
we
do
something
about
preservation,
even
in
an
urbanized
area?
That
would
enhance
the
the
lifestyle
of
the
community
over
there
and
so
forth.
So
I'm,
not
stating
this
accurately
or
effectively.
But
I
was
so
fascinated
with
that
concept
of
a
pocket.
Part
and
I
thought.
M
If
there
were
two
adjoining
Parcels
that
the
town
could
purchase
for
micropreservation
and
converted
to
obviously
not
pristine
desert
but
use
desert
vegetation
and
something
at
a
scale.
That
would
make
sense
for
a
neighborhood,
whether
it's
a
swing
or
sandbox,
or
a
basketball
court
or
whatever,
but
it'll
be
nice.
M
If
the
town
could
acknowledge
the
fact
that
residents
have
been
there
since,
before
incorporation
and
long
before,
the
roads
up
here
were
paved
even
but
the
fact
that
clearly
Carefree
Highway
is
no
longer
a
two-lane
song,
it's
it's
four
or
six
Lanes
of
commercial
development,
design
for
income
and
so
forth,
and
heads
West
to
one
of
the
largest
ship
manufacturing
plants
in
the
United
States.
So
I
I
get
it
you
know,
but
maybe
we
could
still
do
both
and
I.
M
Don't
know
how
that
processed,
but
I
would
just
ask
staff
and
ask
others
on
the
council.
If
you
have
some
suggestions
or
ideas,
maybe
when
this
overall
analysis
is
being
done,
there
might
be
something
that
would
be
creative
that
could
be
pursued
in
terms
of
traffic
flow
or
closing
traffic
flow
or
diverting
traffic
flow,
we're
using
native
plant
restoration
for
traffic
corridors.
So
again,
this
was
not
a
prepared
comment
clearly,
but.
A
I
think
it's
why
I
just
want
to
Lobby
yeah
I
think
we
think
that
is
part
of
the
part
of
planning's
assignment
is
come
up
with
a
a
plan
and
I
I'm
certainly
not
going
to
put
any
limits
on
it.
Could
we
take
a
five
minute
break?
Yes,
do
you
mind
nope,
okay,
let's
take
a
five
minute
break
and
be
back
at
by
that
clock.
A
O
Okay,
mayor
members
of
council,
as
councilman
Rhodes
pointed
out,
discussion
was
held
related
to
this
matter
somewhat
on
page
87
of
your
packet
from
the
minutes
and
thanks
to
an
assist
from
Carol,
Perry
and
and
Brian
poor
on
line
274
council
member
Rhodes
stated
that
he
believes
this
came
out
of
area,
10
and
18
issues.
This
is
the
context
of
this
is
talking
about
conditional
rezoning.
O
He
stated
that
it
was
talked
about
getting
a
plan
put
together
about
what
is
acceptable
use,
given
what
the
neighbors
want.
He
suggested
that
is
critical.
So
to
that
end,
I'll
I've
just
handed
my
card
to
Carol
Perry
and
asked
that
she
contacted
me,
and
we
start
that
discussion.
However,
that
proceeds
and
what
that
looks
like.
O
The
next
item
is
commercial
buffer.
Renaming
earlier
this
year,
upon
recommendation
of
the
Planning
Commission,
it
was
recommended
to
change
the
name
of
commercial
buffer
zone,
the
the
commercial
buffer
zoning
category
to
intermediate
commercial
that
was
denied,
as
part
of,
if
you
recall,
the
cases
that
would
have
eliminated
the
the
site
plan
review
from
the
purview
of
the
Planning
Commission
should
Council
desire.
Staff
can
generate
a
case
File
and
prepare
Public
Notices
to
that.
That's
a
zoning
text
Amendment.
O
So
there
is
enhanced
notification
with
that,
meaning
we
would
put
it
in
utility
bills,
publish
the
text
in
in
circulated
newspaper
and
once
we've
done
that,
then
we
can
schedule
a
Planning
Commission
meeting
to
make
a
recommendation
and
then
because
it's
an
ordinance
text
amendment
that
would
take
two
readings
followed
by
a
30-day
effective
date
and
just
putting
a
timeline
together.
I
I
put
that,
as
adopted
by
February
effective
by
March
of
2024,
to
get
to
get
that
process
done
and
that
that
process
is
outlined
on
page
76.
Yes,
thank
you.
Bernie.
A
O
O
But
as
far
as
from
from
the
minutes
from
the
work
session
that
sounded
like
there
was
consensus
to
explore
that.
So
at
the
least,
staff
could
prepare
a
case
and
take
it
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
and
have
a
recommendation
on
changing
the
name.
And
then
at
that
point,
council
could
consider
yeah.
A
I
mean
I
mean
I
would
if
we
just
repeat
the
same
thing,
goes
with
another:
no
vote,
that's
a
real
waste
of
of
every
everybody's
time.
If,
if
there
isn't
interest
at
the
Town
Council
level,
it's
not
going
to
go
anywhere
because
they're,
the
approving
body,
We
Are,
The
Proven
body,
and
so
before
we
start
that
I
think
we
need
to
see
where
there's
enough
interest
on
Town
Council,
to
read
to
re-bring
that
up,
yeah
I,
hope
may
I
just
comment.
Sure
I
I,
don't
believe
that
there's
any
action!
A
That's
needed
right
here
right
now
tonight.
What
is
needed
is
Discovery
and
then
action
soon
to
refine
the
reasons
for
the
use
and
the
misuse
of
the
term
commercial
buffer
delineating.
The
wide
variety
of
situations
which,
using
this
nomenclature,
offered
neither
commercial
nor
buffering
to
commercial
applications
or
residential
interests.
A
Narrowing
its
use,
exploring
commercial
or
residential
overlays
may
help.
Only
then
will
we
rename
offer
honesty
and
manage
expectations
to
the
people
we
serve
so
I'm,
not
all
about
pushing
hard
on
this,
but
what
we
call
it
isn't
what
we
really
do
and
I'd
love
to
see
us
get
honest
about
that
and
I
think
it's
about
the
underlying
land
uses
that
need
to
be
explored
and
understood.
A
N
A
O
Correct
so
that
it
when
this,
when
this
was
brought
about
last
year,
it
was
imperative
that
just
changing
the
name
was
under
consideration.
Not
the
associated
uses
permitted
under
that
category
yeah.
So
you
can
change
the
name
of
a
category,
but
once
you
get
in
and
and
start
eliminating
uses
or
further
restricting
uses
within
that
category,
a
a
claim
could
be
made
for
diminution
of
value
by
the
state
land
Department
because
of
their
so.
A
P
P
P
I
P
You
know
the
I
was
here
when
we
created
area
10
and
18
and
Area
25,
and
the
reason
we
did
that
was
to
bring
the
revenue
that
we've
seen
the
results
of
tonight
where
we
can
actually
afford
to
pay
our
bills,
and
nothing
has
ever
been
done.
That
was
was
beyond
the
major
the
major
corridors
in
in
the
community.
P
A
A
Other
other
comments,
I
I,
really
respect
what
Ernie
has
to
say
about
this
and
I.
Remember
sitting
in
those
meetings
in
those
chairs
and
all
I'm
saying
is
six
years
on
the
Planning
Commission.
This
is
this
is
a
series
of
words
that
created
more
dissonance
in
this
building
than
almost
anything
else,
because
people
have
expectations
for
their
commercial
investment
money
and
the
residents
have
the
expectations
for
a
peaceful
place
to
live,
and
therein
lies
the
rub.
A
So
I'd
really
just
like
to
have
a
good
conversation
about
that
and
I'll
abide
with
what
we
all
come
up
with,
but
it
needs
to
be
talked
about.
Well,
we
need
a
proposal
more
than
the
we
need
to
have
something
that
we
can
act
on
or
not
act
on,
which
is
staff
time
to
develop
a
draft
code
and
then
to
bring
it
in
and
put
it
through
the
process
and
see
if
it
should
be
adopted.
So
we
could
ask
for
that
tonight:
yeah.
O
Members
of
counselor,
as
you
recall,
you
were
on
the
Planning
Commission
at
the
time.
You
brought
this
up
as
a
discussion
item.
Yes
on
the
commission
and
I
I
believe
what
was
born
out
of
that
were
based
on
based
on
our
commercial
inventory,
where,
where
these
lands,
that
would
have
this
new
zoning
classification
might
reside
and
I,
don't
believe
that
was
that
was
kind
of
developed
or
hashed
out
more
to
you
know,
are
we
talking
about
eight
Parcels?
Are
we
gonna?
O
A
This
interplay,
so
that's
I,
I,
reject
that.
We
don't
have
enough
property
to
be
concerned
about
this
argument,
because
we
also
have
Redevelopment
going
on,
and
you
can
see
evidence
of
that
up
our
up
our
main
drag
here.
So
this
is
to
say
when
we,
when
we
take
an
action
that
affects
both
a
commercial
endeavor
and
our
residential
zoning,
we
need
to
have
a
conversation
about
how
to
care
for
both
the
investor
and
the
people
who
live
in
town
this.
A
A
What
what
about
just
putting
stipulations?
Because
if,
when
we
rezone,
we
have
the
ability
to
put
stipulations,
and
so
you
can
do
it's
it's
Messier,
because
there's
not
one
classification
that
has
all
the
rules
and
then
we
can
look
at
it
and
see
what
it
is
now.
Every
piece
of
property
you
have
is
now
a
negotiation
and
right
you're
customizing.
It's
very
messy
and.
O
A
Then
we
continue
get
somebody
who
puts
in
a
zoning
application
and
we
put
neighbor
against
neighbor
I,
think
it's
better
to
take
a
look
and
see
if
there's
some
kind
of
intermediate
use,
that's
not
what
we
can
commercial
buffer
and
not
what
we
call
residential,
but
some
other
category
that
limits
what
can
be
done
there.
It's.
J
C
J
J
J
At
the
time
we
discussed
this
at
the
Planning
Commission.
My
concern
was
that
renaming
the
commercial
buffer
without
changing
the
underlying
definition
of
it,
was
really
not
solving
the
problem.
It
may
move
away
from
having
people
expecting
to
have
some
kind
of
buffer
between
residential
and
commercial,
but
it
really
didn't
change
the
way
business
was
done
and
what
property
owners
were
looking
for
when
they
came
to
the
commission
with
rezoning
request.
A
So
I'm
hearing
at
least
two
options:
one
option
is
to
create
a
new
classification
that
for
a
limited
number
of
properties
and
and
the
the
reworking
of
people
come
in
on
existing
properties
and
redevelop
or
the
second
one
is
for
commercial
buffer
to
make
each
one
a
separate,
negotiated.
Rezoning
vocipulations.
O
F
Mr
Mayor,
yes,
both
you
you
there.
There
really
are
three
options:
one
is
a
complete
rezoning.
Two
is
to
do
it
Case
by
case
basis,
with
stipulations,
both
of
which
could
react,
could
impact
the
state
line.
I
think
state
land
could
have
a
claim
because
you're
affecting
the
underlying
zoning
and
both
of
which
could
affect
what
Ernie
talked
about
a
diminution
and
value.
The
third
option
is,
with
the
vice
chair
of
the
commission,
said,
is
to
change
the
name
so
that
there's
no
expectations,
but
those
are
your
three
options.
D
O
I
I've
got
notes,
I
don't
want
to
use
the
term
put
a
pin
in
it,
but
I've
got
notes
and
things
that
I
can
look
at
and
address
and
come
back
to
council.
It's
something
I'll.
Definitely
the
next
time
the
Planning
Commission
is
in
a
room
in
your
seats
that
I
will
I
will
bring
up
and
and
try
to
glean
some
direction
and
from
them
as
well.
It's
not
something
that
Council
has
to
do
on
its
own.
Make
this
decision
here
tonight.
Obviously
so,
but.
D
O
Really
I
mean
commercial
buffer
from
the
outset
is
a
misnamed
category,
I
mean
going
back
to
County
ordinances
of
old
and
looking
at
all
the
the
various
zoning
categories
which
which
I've
done
I.
Admittedly,
a
zoning
category
nerd
at
heart,
I
guess,
but
it's
from
1995
it
should
have
been
referred
to
as
intermediate
commercial,
not
commercial
buffer,
and
that's
something
I've
reported
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
now
to
the
Town
Council,
so
that
that
was
a
mistake.
O
Don't
forget
stoning's
not
forever
nothing's
forever
yeah?
Oh
yes,
sir.
Yes,
the
next
item
these
next
several
should
should
move
rather
quickly.
Fingers
crossed
a
a
comment.
Discussion
was
had
regarding
APA
training
for
planning
Commissioners.
Since
then,
staff
has
notified
the
Planning
Commission
of
the
American
Planning
Association
AZ
body,
that
there's
membership
and
training
opportunities
and
the
town
would
reimburse
those
fees
Associated
if
they
wanted
to
become
members
of
the
apaaz
local
chapter
or
take
any
classes.
O
I,
don't
think
you
have
to
be
a
member
to
take
all
of
the
courses
that
are
offered,
but
the
town
will
definitely
reimburse
for
any
of
those
costs
on
our
commissioners,
and
then
staff
will
also
discuss
APA
training
and
membership
opportunities.
As
part
of
the
new
commissioner
onboarding
process,
which
we
do
anytime,
a
new
planning,
commissioner,
is
appointed
by
the
Town
Council.
M
I
A
E
A
O
O
To
do
it
used
to
be
you
got
a
a
mail
room
key
and
a
key
card,
and
good
luck
and
and
we've
we've
kind
of
set
a
bar
of
making
it
a
more
professional,
onboarding
and
and
getting
you
know,
a
lot
of
information
and
all
the
documents
and
signing
off
I've
received
my
key
I've
received
this
credential
and
those
things
we
do
that.
Okay,
I'm
sorry,
so
we
hold
that
new
commissioner
orientation
in
December
after
the
the
Town
Council
is,
has
appointed
its
appointees
and
then
in
January.
O
The
Planning
Commission
holds
an
annual
annual
meeting
workshop
with
legal
counsel
to
go
over
any
changes
to
state
law.
Anything,
that's
that's
that
may
impact
their
ability,
as
as
a
member
of
a
planning
agency,
so
staff
would
recommend
if,
if
you
wanted
to
kind
of
set
aside
a
meeting
date
each
year
for
a
joint
Workshop,
maybe
February
would
be
the
most
upper
time
to
do
so
once
if
there
are
any
new
Commissioners,
they've
kind
of
gotten
acquainted
with
the
system
and
and
those
things
so.
A
O
A
O
That
would
okay
moving
on
to
item
six
sewer,
hookup
requirements.
This
one
is
really
not
not
rests
in
my
hands
as
development
services
director,
but
really
would
be.
You
know
at
such
time
that
an
integrated
utility
master
plan
is
reviewed
and
adopted.
The
town's
utilities
director
will
provide
recommendations
to
the
Town
Council
on
this
matter.
As
you're
aware,
the
utilities
director
Sean
Cruz
weisner's
is
working
with
various
Consultants
to
develop
this
integrated
utility
master
plan
which
will
be
coming
to
council.
O
It
talks
everything,
infrastructure,
related
utility,
water
and
wastewater
related
and
how
those
interconnect
and
different
requirements
may
come
out
of
that
as
far
as
sewer,
hookups
and
and
water
availability,
all
those
things,
so
that
will
be
if
I'm
not
kicking
the
can
there
that's
that'll,
be
that'll,
be
Sean's
item,
seven
Gates
on
subdivisions
and
groups
of
homes.
The
subdivision
ordinance
prohibits
functional
Gates
on
subdivisions
and
groups
of
homes
only
in
exception
to
the
subdivision.
Ordinance
may
be
granted
by
the
towns
who
allow
Gates.
O
So
if
the
Town
Council
doesn't
want
a
gate,
you
have
every
authority
to
have
them
abide
by
the
subdivision
ordinance
which
prohibits
them.
So
at
this
time,
staff
does
not
recommend
amending
the
subdivision
ordinance
as
it
pertains
the
gates
item
eight
private
streets,
my
same
Spiel
here,
the
subdivision
ordinance
prohibits
private
streets,
only
an
exception
request
to
allow
private
streets,
maybe
grants
it
through
the
subdivision
plot
process.
O
So
once
again
it
could
be
a
case-by-case
if,
if
an
applicant
wishes
or
desires
to
have
private
streets,
Council
can
approve
an
exception.
Request
filed
by
the
applicants
who
allow
them
but
hidden
Canyon
is
a
good
example.
They
they
wanted
private
streets
staff,
commission
and
Council
required
that
they
do
a
public
easement
overlay
over
that
which
allows
which
requires
the
subdivision
itself
to
maintain
their
private
streets,
but
it
also
maintains
Public
Access
on
those
streets,
so
in
nature
they
cannot
put
a
gate
up
so
so.
A
O
That
is
correct.
Really,
the
the
goal
of
the
subdivision
ordinance
as
it
pertains
to
public
streets
is
continuous
access
through
through
platted
subdivisions.
So
you
don't
have
dead
end
streets
dead,
end
roads,
one
way
in
one
way
out,
so
that's
really
why
the
the
subdivision
ordinance
prohibits
them
in
nature.
In
a
rural
area,
maintaining
access,
Public,
Access
throughout
is
is
important,
but
you've
done
that.
O
O
A
P
Private
private
roads
versus
public
roads
and
subdivisions
I
can
remember
as
a
baby,
a
baby
council
member
in
2005
when
I
found
out
that
there's
that
is
said,
there
is
no
such
thing
as
as
public
roads
are
and
I'm
thinking.
Okay,
so
our
founding
fathers
decided
that
we
we
had
to
maintain
these
roads
and
we've
got
no
property
tax
and
no
way
to
pay
for
it.
So
I
would
I
would
think
that
we
would
want
as
many
private
roads
in
in
subdivisions
as
humanly
possible.
O
Correct
this
is
for
subdivision,
so
the
the
the
Silver
Lining
is
plotted
subdivisions
looking
at
the
the
town.
Hidden
Canyon
is
really
the
last
subdivision
that
we
may
see
for
some
time
a
very
long
time.
So
it's
not
something
that
we
need
to
address
tonight.
It's
really
the
way
the
subdivision
ordinance
is
crafted.
O
A
O
E
O
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
beat
that
one
to
death
with
you,
so
here's
here's,
the
two
cheap
ones,
the
longer
term.
Second
wave
topics
recognize
that
the
joint
work
session
of
the
Town
Council
and
Planning
Commission
really
I
bring
these
up
because
for
one
I,
really
I
I
left
with
not
having
really
Direction
and
I
know
that
these
are
going
to
come
up
down
the
road.
So
I
wanted
to
be
clear.
O
The
first
one
is
dr-43
large
animals
on
small
property,
so
a
lot
of
discussion
was
had
it.
Just
briefly,
Ranch
uses
are
permitted
on
All
Desert
rural
zone
property,
provided
the
property
is
at
least
two
acres
in
size
unless,
unless
the
property
is
a
legal
non-conforming
parcel
greater
than
one
acre
and
zoned,
either
Dr
89
and
Dr
190
I,
of
which
there
are
approximately
200
of
those
properties.
O
So
we
adopted
a
an
amendment
to
the
zoning
ordinance
some
some
time
ago,
maybe
eight
years
ago,
that
allowed
non-conforming
properties
that
were
at
least
greater
than
an
acre,
but
they
were
non-conforming
because
they
were
mis-zoned,
essentially
Dr,
190
or
dr89.
So
these
are
Parcels
largely
on
the
west
side.
That
were
split
or
created
within
County
prior
to
the
town
annexing
out
there
and
essentially
down
zoning
all
that
property
to
Dr,
190
and
dr-89.
So
we
have
that
safeguards
who
allow
Ranch
uses
on
undersized
properties.
O
M
A
O
O
A
I,
don't
remember
the
details
of
it.
All
I
do
I.
Do
remember
that
the
conversation
went
around.
There's
a
couple
properties,
a
couple
there's
several
properties
that
have
around
one
acre
and
right
now,
they're
not
allowed
to
have,
or
they
they
all
have
one
animal
and
they've
had
that
animal
forever
and
they
want
to
get
a
second
handle.
A
C
O
Prior
prior
to
the
adoption
of
the
amendment
that
that
allowed
dr89
and
Dr
190
properties
that
were
undersized
as
a
result
of
the
County
zoning
and
then
the
town
annexing
and
down
zoning
it
from
one
acre
to
five
acres,
I.
Think
that
really
cured
a
lot
of
you
know
what
ailed
you
know:
different
different
property
owners
over
time.
O
So
I
I
haven't
it's.
You
know
the
the
language.
There
was
some
sections
of
the
minutes
that
talked
about
the
language,
not
being
clear
on
on
what
Ranch
uses
were
and
when
you
were
permitted
them,
I
mean
it's.
What
I
put
in
a
memo?
It's
pretty
clear,
allowed
uses
private
Ranch.
The
site
must
contain
an
area
if
not
less
than
two
contiguous
acres
under
single
ownership
and
then
at
you
know,
chapter
two
defines
private
ranches
permitted.
O
Five
large
and
10
medium
Ranch
animals
per
acre
up
to
five
acres
they're
after
an
additional
two
large
and
four
is
allowed
per
acre
or
private
Ranch
is
allowed
up
to
20
small
ranch
animals
per
acre
with
the
exception
of
pets,
so
there's
I
what
I
came
to
because
looking
at
the
minutes,
it
was
a
little
unclear
if
it
was
confusion
in
in
the
language
or
or
what?
And
after
going
back
and
reviewing
the
language.
I
don't
know
if
that's
what
the
issue
is.
O
So
my
question,
then,
is:
is
the
two
acres
too
high
a
threshold?
Was
there
an
appetite
to
lower
that
the
low
two
acres
is
the
threshold,
so
it
even
one
acre
Zone
properties,
for
example,
dr43
and
dr-70,
which
are
below
two
acres
minimum
lot
area.
You
can
have
Ranch
animals
if
you're
above
two
acres,
so
you
could
have
a
dr-43
property
which
we
have
several,
that
is
over
two
acres
and
they
would
be
permitted.
M
M
Constituencies
here
in
town
of
irony,
it's
well
aware
of
and
a
lot
of
the
guys
that
used
to
be
on
this
Ranch
issue
20
some
years
ago,
have
gone
to
the
Big
Ranch
in
the
sky.
But
this
literally
was
a
crucible
issue
back
in
the
80s
and
even
into
the
90s,
and
there
were
schisms
in
the
community.
I
and
I.
Don't
have
any
wisdom
to
offer
on
this
other
than
when
you
want
to
know
which
way
the
wind
used
to
blow
look
at.
N
M
We
had
Scottsdale
refugees,
not
in
terms
of
money
but
in
terms
of
people
who
had
a
horse
or
two
horses,
and
this
was
the
last
place
America
because
they
could
come,
but
there
there
were
some
potential
abuses
in
the
early
days
and
some
of
those
were
commercials.
Some
of
those
and
their
cottage
industries
are
permitted.
I
just
would
I
would
caution
anybody
to
maybe
either
historically
review
some
of
the
discussions
back
at
that
time.
M
M
O
Just
real,
quick
and
mayor
to
councilman,
argent's
Point,
that's
that's
why
the
the
non-conforming
dr89
and
Dr
190
Parcels,
allowing
that
threshold,
whether
if
they're
below
two
acres
granting
that,
because
those
properties
are
all
surrounded
by
properties
with
ranch
uses.
So
it
was
a
more
of
a
no
harm.
No
foul!
O
A
It
sounds
like
we
have
the
right
language
and
we
have
a
few
that
are,
but
I
think
we
need
to
have
the
right
language
in
there
and
move
it
towards
the
I
mean
you
don't
want
the
only
complaints
I've
had
on
this.
Are
there
too
many
animals
on
a
small
property?
That's
the
only
complaint
that
I
have
had
I've
not
had
the
other
complaint
I've
heard
of
both
ways.
A
C
P
Mayor
if
mayor,
if
I
may
councilman
monoggerton
down
here,
was
here
in
the
early
days
as
well,
and
he
knows
the
history
on
the
horse,
Wars
and
all
those
things,
it's
funny
that
we
call
ourselves
the
horse
Community
when
other
communities
around
us
can
have
horses
on
one
acre
and
we
have
to
have
two
contiguous
in
order
to
make
it
it's
really
funny.
But
the
constituency
is
varied,
as
councilman
augerton
said,
and
there
is
no
sense
in
opening
up
that
candle
when
we
fixed
the
part
we
had
to
fix
about
10
years
ago.
P
C
A
O
We're
ready
the
last
one
Native
Plant
ordinance
compliance
I've,
been
on
page
79
of
your
packet.
I
gave
a
detailed
overview
of
the
permit
review.
Pre-Site
inspection
and
final
inspection
sign
off
processes.
The
the
primary
issue
associated
with
compliance
and
the
ongoing
compliance
of
zoning
requirements
is
usually
attributable
to
a
lack
of
knowledge
or
understanding
of
the
town's
requirements.
O
So
and
that's
you
know
really
specific
to
specifically
related
to
new
owners
or
change
of
ownership
over
time
and
then
compounded
with
you
know,
we've
had
an
influx
of
of
new
residents
to
the
community
and
then
compounded
with
the
response
to
two
recent
Wildflower
wildfires.
Many
homeowners
responded
by
removing
all
shrubs
and
ground
covers
on
their
properties,
as
as
a
fear
of
wildfire
propagation,
not
here
to
debate
whether
the
rightful
or
or
anything
else,
but
I,
think
really.
O
The
actionable
thing
to
take
away
from
this
discussion
item
from
the
workshop
was
that
staff
just
needs
to
focus
more
energy,
providing
Outreach
and
education
to
new
owners
regarding
the
natural
and
Disturbed
requirements,
including
the
12-foot
native
habitat
Corridor,
as
well
as
a
firewise
landscaping
Basics
to
all
residents,
and
that
would
be
in
concert
with
cheap
Ford,
Daisy,
Mountain
and
other
outside
resources.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
resources.
O
I
was
certified
as
a
firewise
property
inspector
after
the
fires,
Chief
Ford,
maybe
sign
up
and
go
and
take
a
class
put
on,
which
is
which
is
actually
quite
enlightening,
but
I
think
there
are
things
that
staff
can
be
a
little
bit
more
proactive,
whether
it's
in
our
newsletters,
whether
it's
a
standalone
newsletter
that
goes
out
and
just
offering
our
services
and
talents
to
to
come
out
and
and
look
at
people's
property
and
give
them
guidance
on
you
know.
Native
plants
are
really
crucial
to
I.
O
I
would
argue,
keeping
wildfires
at
Bay
in
some
circumstances,
because,
with
the
absence
of
the
Native
Ground
Covers
weeds
have
no
absolutely
no
competition
for
that
ground
to
propagate
in
grow
in
and
spread.
So
you
know
we
get
we
when
we
see
people
clear,
clear
out
their
land
and
just
leave
a
cactus
in
a
tree.
All
they're
doing
is
setting
themselves
up
for
future
back-breaking
efforts
to
keep
weeds
controlled
and
keep
weeds
at
Bay
when
the
simplest
solution
is
just
to
look
at.
O
Look
at
your
desert
like
a
fuse
and
cut
the
fuse
where
you
can
eliminate
overgrowth
and
things
growing
into
each
other
and
big
clumps,
and
that's
usually
the
best.
The
most
common
sense
approach
for
Wildfire
and
also
keeping
in
compliance
with
the
town's
ordinances
for
a
disturbed
area.
So
that's
that's
all
I
would
give
you
on.
That
is,
is
something
that
needs
to
be
ongoing
and
really
kick-started
with
a
renewed
effort
within
our
newsletters
or
social
media.
Our
different
presences
presence,
I.
A
A
N
A
O
Yes,
we
have
and
to
your
point,
we
do
have
those
resources
currently
landscape
companies,
landscape,
Associated
companies
recommended
wild
seed
to
go
and
purchase
and
like
the
companies
that
Supply
those.
So
it's
just
really
pushing
that
out
to
people
instead
of
having
them
come
into
town
hall
and
ask
for
it
and
and
be.
A
A
It
I'm
sorry
go
ahead,
I'm
just
saying
that's
good
stuff,
I
think
just
reaching
out
letting
folks
know
what
the
alternatives
are
is
very
helpful.
It's
apparent
to
me
now
that
the
firewise
and
the
and
and
the
stink
net
and
the
native
vegetation
are
issues
that
cannot
be
untwined
they're,
just
like
this
and
I
wonder.
A
If
we
shouldn't
have
a
brochure
that
combines
firewise
with
how
you
can
do
it
and
the
advantages
of
of
the
Native
stuff
that
that
has
a
natural
spacing
and
a
low
height
that
is
I
saw
it
down
in
Tucson
at
the
at
the
league.
One
of
the
displays
it
said
that
native
Sonoran
Desert
is
quote
fireproof
because
ground
fires,
don't
they
don't,
kill
everything.
A
The
way
that
they're
doing
now
with
all
this
fuel
invasive
yeah
invasives
have
come
in
so
I
I,
wonder
if
we
shouldn't
have
a
brochure
that
we
furnish,
especially
to
real
estate
agents
and
to
if
we
do
a
firewise
inspection
or
we
send
it
out
with
utility
bills
or
some
way
to
integrate
it
with
our
fire
prevention
plan.
We.
O
Do
we
can
do
it
better
would
be
my
response.
We
it's
part
of
our
new
Resident
packet.
That's
handed
out
to
new
residents
that
come
in
and
request.
We
have
packets
available
at
the
tourism
Bureau,
as
well
as
the
town
hall,
and
all
of
that
information
and
material
is
in
there,
but
we
can
do
a
I
would
expect
a
much
better
job
of
getting
it
out
to
everyone.
Maybe.
A
H
H
I,
think
that
is
very
reasonable.
So
my
area
has
been
treated
like
the
red-headed
stepchild
for
years
and
we
are
very
reasonable.
People
I
just
met
with
the
builder
of
the
Toy
Barn,
who
is
selling
92
units
at
500,
000,
a
piece
for
a
46
million
dollar
project
and
I
can
tell
you
that
he
treats
me
with
respect.
We
have
negotiated
certain
compromises.
H
O
The
the
town
and
its
consultant,
the
Consulting
engineer,
went
back
and
forth
with
Maricopa
County.
Ultimately,
a
variance
was
applied
for
through
the
county
and
granted,
and
the
compromise
I
put
compromise
in
my
memo
to
you,
but
it
was
not
necessarily
a
compromise.
It
was
a
mandate
that
you
will
use
a
10
000
gallon
tank
from
a
company
out
of
California.
It's
trucked
out,
it's
installed
with
a
crane
put
together
and
that
increased
the
price
by
28
000
189
dollars.
O
Once
again,
the
original
contract
for
the
restrooms
wasn't
was
approved
at
an
amount
not
to
exceed
387
000.
The
increase,
if
approved,
would
bring
the
total
amount
of
the
job
to
415
189
and
lastly,
an
increase
of
28
189
is
still
below
the
total
expenditure
limit,
budgeted
over
FY
23
and
FY
24,
which
that
number
was
seven
hundred
thousand
and
then
just
further
food
for
thought.
The
other
bitter
than
the
next
closest
bidder
was
over
double
the
amount
of
the
original
contract
bid
with
building
by
Don
Fredericks.