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From YouTube: 17 Jan 2023 Regular Cave Creek Town Council meeting
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Associated documents: https://cavecreek.civicweb.net/filepro/documents/53148/
Town Manager's Report: 01:56
Consent Agenda: 04:37
Item 1: 05:22 (Ordinance O2023-01 Zoning Case Z-22-03)
Item 2: 01:44:04 (Utilities Crane Truck)
Item 3: 01:49:40 (Fire Station Remodel)
A
Okay,
the
first
time
on
the
agenda
is
an
executive
session,
Council
discussion,
consultation,
Direction,
two
and
legal
advice
from
the
town
attorney
pursuant
to
ARS
38-431.03
print,
a
and
parent
three
and
four
regarding
water
treatment
agreements.
Is
there
a
motion
to
move
an
executive
session?
Is
there
a
second?
Second
all,
those
in
favor
aye
all
right
opposed
existence:
okay,
yes
January
17,
2023,
County,
council
meeting
at
this
point,
we'd
like
to
do
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
Allegiance
I,
see
a
lot
of
faces.
I
don't
recognize
today,
I'll
lead
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
C
A
D
Mayor
members
of
council
I
would
like
to
remind
you
and
notify
the
public.
We
put
a
notice
on
our
website
and
social
media
about
some
sewer
cleaning
and
video
inspections
in
the
Rancho,
Manana
and
Knowles
neighborhoods.
They
should
be
they
began
today,
and
they
should
be
wrapping
up,
Rancho,
Manana
and
move
on
to
the
Knolls.
So
if
you're
in
those
areas,
that
is
what
the
town
is
up
to
in
your
neighborhood.
D
E
D
Company
putting
posting
a
notice
about
they
called
it,
a
town
hall
meeting
to
talk
about
helicopters,
Landing
for
Medevac
purposes
at
the
abrazole
micro
Hospital,
the
town
staff
nor
the
elected
officials
were
notified
in
advance
of
that
meeting.
We
had
no
idea
that
they
were
looking
into
this
service.
We
had
gone
through
this
issue
before
they
even
built
the
building,
and
that
was
only
a
couple
years
ago.
D
So,
needless
to
say,
we
wrote
them
a
letter
and
stated
that
the
town
stands
firm
in
our
opposition
to
Medevac
helicopter
Landings
at
abrazo,
Cave
Creek
Hospital,
the
meeting
that
was
scheduled
Monday
evening.
They
did
not
proceed
with
that
meeting.
I
did
have
a
conversation
with
their
CEO
today
and
he
was
very
apologetic
and
they
will
proceed
if
they
proceed
there.
There
is
no
commitment
to
even
moving
forward
on
that
issue.
D
They
would
at
least
meet
with
the
staff
first,
so
we'd
be
able
to
inform
the
mayor
and
Council
and
the
public
if
there
was
something
new
or
different
or
any
reasons
that
they
wish
proceed.
But
at
this
point
they
are
basically
on
hold.
They
they
don't
have
any
meetings
scheduled
with
us
and
they
don't
have
any
public
meetings
schedule.
So
that's
the
status
at
this
time.
A
Thank
you
next
on
the
agenda
is
the
consent
agenda
approval
of
the
November
7th
2022
regular
council
meeting
minutes.
Number
two
is
approval
of
December
5th
2022,
regular
council
meeting
minutes
number
three:
is
approval
of
December
19,
2022,
regular
council
meeting
minutes
and
number
four
is
approval
of
a
number
12
restaurant
liquor
license
for
KiKi
Rays,
as
requested
by
Rochelle
Renee
Pugh
agent?
B
F
G
G
I
Brian's,
going
to
pull
up
a
map
for
us
here
in
a
minute,
but
tonight's
agenda
council
is
going
to
consider
the
first
reading
of
an
ordinance
for
a
zone
change
request
for
one
parcel
located
within
Area
18,
which
currently
has
a
mixed-use
land
use.
Designation,
Area
18
was
approved
through
the
major
general
plan
amendment
process
in
2010,
where
the
Town
Council
by
resolution,
R
2010-11
amended
the
land
use
of
18
Parcels
totaling,
approximately
30
Acres
from
a
desert
rural
land
use
to
mixed
use.
Brian's
pulled
up
that
map.
G
Area
18
is
Illustrated
there
in
in
purple.
The
subject
parcel
is,
if
you
see
the
E,
it's
it's
right
there
in
that
location.
You've
got
the
abrazo
hospital,
which
was
the
subject
of
an
earlier
presentation,
just
north
of
that
Sprouts
to
the
Northeast
and
then
Tractor
Supply
to
the
to
the
east
early
in
2010,
the
Town
Council
directed
staff
to
bring
forward
Area
18,
which,
according
to
the
public
record,
was
supported
by
the
residents.
G
At
that
time,
the
planning
department
hosted
a
neighborhood
meeting
to
discuss
Area
18
in
July
of
2010.,
the
Planning
Commission
voted
unanimously
to
recommend
approval
of
Area
18
in
August
of
2010
and
the
Town
Council
voted
six
to
one
to
adopt
the
resolution.
Changing
the
land
use
map
to
mixed
use
in
September
of
2010..
G
That
decision
was
not
referred
by
the
voters
at
that
time.
The
rationale
for
the
mixed-use
designation
being
approved
was
to
allow
for
flexibility
and
opportunity
in
future
zoning
requests
to
mix
or
co-mingle
intensity.
Stepping
intense
commercial
use
is
down
as
it
moves
away
from
major
arterials
like
Cave,
Creek,
Road
and
carefree
highways,
South
and
West.
The
zoning
has
already
been
amended
along
those
arterials
from
dr-43
to
General.
Commercial
and
development
has
subsequently
occurred,
which
I
just
previously
went
over.
G
This
landius
amendment
for
the
area
was
approved,
ultimately,
as
the
staff
presentations
from
2010
illustrate
because
the
town
realized-
and
this
is
a
quote
from
the
staff
report-
the
town's
need
to
forecast
potential
areas
where
commercial
development
is
a
viable
option.
End
quote
a
zone
change
application
is
consistent,
as
the
general
plan
identifies
that
the
area
is
mixed
use.
The
land
use
map
containing
the
mixed
use,
designation
for
Area
18
was
reaffirmed
by
the
voters
with
the
adoption
of
the
2021
General
plan
with
that
Stephen.
Please
proceed
with
your
presentation
in
this
application.
H
Thank
you
Luke
good
evening,
mayor
and
members
of
council
staff
is
here
this
evening
to
bring
forward
to
council
consideration
of
case
number
z-22-03
more
zone
change
requests
first,
reading
of
ordinance,
o
20
23-01.
The
zone
change
request
is
a
change.
The
underlying
zoning
and
amend
the
town
of
K
free
zoning
map
for
parcel
211-46-027a
from
dr43
to
the
commercial
buffer.
H
The
parse
was
within
Area
18
and
consist
of
a
mixed-use
land
use
designation
per
the
2021
General
plan
within
the
mixed-use
land
use
designation
category.
The
focus
is
not
on
individual
Parcels,
but
rather
all
18
Parcels
within
Area
18,
and
to
incorporate
various
uses
with
a
coherent
design
and
practical
functions
such
as
commercial,
institutional
and
residential
being
commingled
in
a
single
project
or
residential
or
office
adjacent
to
retail
establishments.
On
a
larger
site.
H
The
location
of
the
applicant's
proposed
rezone
application
is
located
at
the
northwest
corner
of
Barbie
Lane
and
53rd
Street.
The
applicant's
tentative
development
plan
proposes
residential
units
along
with
commercial
with
a
commercial
component
which
is
consistent
with
the
mixed
use.
Land
use
designation
overview
within
the
general
plan
by
incorporating
a
residential
and
Commercial
institution
within
a
single
project
and
also
being
adjacent
to
re
to
retail
establishments
on
a
larger
site.
H
The
applicant
has
not
submitted
a
site
plan
or
View
application,
as
they
intend
to
ask
for
consideration
to
amend
a
zoning
map
in
advance
of
finalizing
the
site
design,
including
preparation
of
grading
and
drainage
plans.
The
property
would
still
require
a
pre-application
conference
with
all
departments
prior
to
submittal
of
a
site.
Planner
View
application
for
additional
scrutinies
given
to
the
project
and
development
criteria
are
reviewed
for
compliance
with
Town
codes,
ordinances
and
guidelines.
H
At
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
held
on
November
17
2022,
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Planning
Commission
voted
six
to
one
to
recommend
approval
of
zone
change.
Application
kz-22-03,
subject
to
the
following
condition:
residential
uses
shall
be
limited
to
residential
rental
units.
Residential
Planet
subdivisions
are
prohibited,
including,
but
not
limited
to
condominium
plots
town
on
plats
and
single-family
residential
floods
case
number
z-22-03
conforms
with
the
requirements
outlined
into
zone
change
application
and
is
and
is
consistent
with
the
general
plan.
H
G
The
town
of
Cave
Creek
takes
all
setbacks
from
property
property
boundaries,
not
for
music
easement
boundaries,
unlike
Maricopa
County.
That's
that's
often
a
question
from
even
someone
building
a
residential
property.
If
they've
got
a
20-foot,
Ingress,
egress
and
public
utility
easement,
we
would
take
the
setback
from
the
property
line,
not
the
edge
of
easement.
D
G
D
G
J
J
J
Admonitions
about
what
was
going
to
happen
on
this
project,
they
were
and
I'm
I'm
blanking
here
on
the
on
what
they
were
called
but
and
there
were
there
were
I,
think
three
or
four
mitigations
that
that
a
project
like
this
in
that
area
could
be
could
be
looked
at
through
the
lens
of
and
I
I.
Don't
see
those
on
this
application
and.
B
K
H
K
Okay,
I
stand
before
you
as
a
long
time,
Cave
Creek
residence,
the
name
of
the
applicant,
is
Carefree
Casas
of
Cave
Creek
LLC
I've
been
renamed
throughout
this,
and
so
you
might
have
heard
is
the
more
real
estate
developer,
which
kind
of
sounds
kind
of
scary.
But
it's
really
just
me
and
my
husband
we've
lived
here
for
a
long
time.
We
see
a
opportunity
here
that
can
help
the
town
and
something
that
will
be
a
fun
project
for
us.
We
feel
it'll
be
a
big
enhancement.
You
can
change
the
slide.
K
K
We've
started
to
enhance
it
I'm,
sorry,
I
don't
have
the
painting
done
I
wanted
to
have
it
look
all
pretty
with
the
painting
before
this,
but
the
rain
didn't
help
us
out
at
all,
but
our
plan
and
we've
already
talked
with
because
we
had
to
in
order
to
see
whether
this
mixed
use
would
work.
We
did
have
to
talk
with
people
for
advice,
so
we've
enlisted
a
local
Builder,
Don
Fredericks.
K
We've
got
the
Cave
Creek
Rec
Park
3,
300
acres.
There
we've
got
3
300
acres,
Square
cross,
which
I
know
Mr
augerton
worked
very
hard
to
get
all
that
area
annexed.
In
order
to
do
this,
this
is
what
we
need
to
save.
So
maybe,
instead
of
saying
we
need
to
keep
slow
growth,
we
need
to
sustain
slow
growth.
This
costs
money
to
keep
all
of
this
plus
we're
in
the
town.
K
Plus
we
have
a
fire
department
to
run.
Now
we
need
tax
revenue.
At
one
point
we
were
able
to,
we
were
asked
to
have
a
Home
Depot
in
our
town,
and
people
came
up
against
it.
Instead,
it
went
right
next
door,
so
we
had
all
the
traffic
and
everything
else,
I
estimated
that
there
was
almost
four
million
dollars
of
tax
revenue
this
year,
that
we
lost
from
their
sales
for
2022
and
that's
a
lot
of
money
that
could
save
a
lot
of
land
that
could
pay
for
our
fire.
That
could
help
for
our
upgrades.
K
Only
two
percent
of
the
land
in
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
is
own
commercial.
Currently,
the
area
that
I
am
talking
about
for
the
rezoning
for
the
Mixed
use
was
in
the
general
plan.
It
was
already
set
aside
by
people
thoughtful
people
that
took
their
time
to
decide
where
it
would
make
sense
to
have
additional
commercial
and
revenue
come
in
from
the
town,
because
the
bars
alone
teachers
can't
do
it
for
us.
C
K
Sorry
I
just
had
that
in
my
file.
So
if
you
look
at
the
map
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek,
you
can
see
the
area.
That's
green.
Is
our
open
space.
There's
four
thousand
acres
in
there
left,
though
from
the
state
land
Department
that
we
have
a
zoning
overlay
on,
but
we
have
to
purchase
so
we
do
have
to
find
a
way
to
do
that.
We
do
need
money.
K
K
And
if
you
look
at
the
properties
around
us,
abrazo
hospital
is
to
the
north.
I
did
not
know
that
the
helicopter
was
going
away.
I
didn't
I,
just
heard
that
you
know
there
was
a
meeting,
so
I
didn't
realize
that
that
wasn't
going
to
happen.
So
I
did
put
it
in
there
that
we
would
have
a
helicopter
there.
Big
O
Tires
is
very
noisy.
They
have
air
compressors.
K
K
Property
of
the
South
is
Seeking.
A
rezoning
and
kitty
corner
is
Tractor,
Supply
I,
don't
know
of
any
of
my
neighbors
that
are
opposing
of
this.
I've
talked
to
the
neighbor
to
the
west,
and
he
told
me
that
he
is
in
favor
of
it
it.
It
would
just
make
sense
to
have
a
buffer
property
right
now
before
you
went
into
the
residential
into
a
housing.
You
did.
K
What
our
project
will
bring
to
the
town
connections
to
the
Sewer
beautification
to
the
neighborhood
homes,
for
folks
that
can't
afford
to
own
in
the
area.
This
is
not
going
to
be
low
income
housing.
Somebody
had
mentioned
that
to
me.
When
I
came
into
the
meeting,
it
is
not
going
to
be
low
income
and
I
couldn't
afford
to
put
low
income
housing
if
I
wanted
to
I,
don't
want
to
I
mean
it
has
to
sustain
it
has
to
pay
for
itself,
that's
kind
of
the
law
of
business
tax
revenue
for
sustainability,
of
slow
growth.
K
K
K
K
K
The
zoning
to
the
north,
of
course
is
Hardcore
commercial,
so
so
south
of
me
is
County
into
the
west
of
that
is
actually
a
lower
zoning
than
what
this
house
is,
and
normally
when
you
have
zoning
near
a
road
like
that,
you
you
take
the
density
down,
you,
you
don't
have
a
high
density
like
commercial
and
then
one
house
per
single,
and
then
you
go
down
to
something:
that's
lower.
You
wanna,
you
wanna,
do
your
zoning
so
that
it
Blends
down,
so
it
buffers
everything
and
it
fits
in
and
right
now
this.
E
K
You
look
at
this
slide
and
you
look
at
the
area
again.
The
parts
that's
in
Cave
Creek
to
the
West,
there's
really
not
that
many
people
when
they
leave
that
would
even
have
to
go
past
this
building.
It
there's
just
no
reason
for
them
to
have
to
drive
by
it
or
feel
that
there's
extra
traffic
from
it
because
there's
other
ways
out
it
would
be
out
of
their
way
to
go
past
this
building
next
slide.
K
Also,
the
zoning
and
the
subdivision
to
the
South
has
been
there
so
long
that
they
even
allowed
mobile
homes,
so
you're
really
going
from
commercial
core
right
now,
you're
going
from
commercial
core
to
r43,
which
would
usually
be
more
of
a
larger
luxury
home
because
you
can't
have
Ranch
use.
This
would
just
be
a
luxury
home
and
then
down
to
an
area
where
there
are
mobile
homes
and
some
other
homes,
but
on
a
smaller
than
an
r43
designated
land
parcel.
K
K
I
did
quite
a
bit
of
research
on
this
property.
I
did
quite
a
bit
before
I
bought
it.
This
is
an
old
2000
MLS
listing
this
shows
that
it's
always
been
leased
for
top
and
bottom.
When
this
was
built
in
1978,
it
was
not
built
like
a
single
family
home.
You
cannot
get
from
the
top
floor
to
the
bottom
floor
from
the
inside
of
the
house.
K
My
guess
is
that
maybe
the
owner
lived
in
it
because
I
thought
I
heard
rumor
that
the
owner
was
out
of
state
and
that
he
would
come
and
stay
there
and
he,
but
he
rented
it
out
it
states
on
the
top
line
that
prior
to
renting
this
in
2000
it
was
a
bed
and
breakfast,
so
it
has
had
commercial
use
it
also
when
I
bought
it
was
used
as
an
office
on
the
lower
level.
So
it
was,
it
was
used
for
his
commercial.
No
one
has
ever
complained.
I
checked
with
a
town.
K
K
Excuse
me
so
I'd
like
to
say,
I
thought
that
the
Commissioners
for
Planning
and
Zoning
did
an
excellent
job
in
their
research
for
their
properties
and
I'm,
going
to
copy
what
came
up
out
of
that
meeting,
because
it
was
very
impressive
for
what
they
said
on
September
20th
2010,
the
Town
Council
held
a
public
hearing
to
consider
the
resolution
adopting
a
major
Amendment
to
the
general
plan,
Area
18
that
would
amend
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
General
plan
land
use
map.
In
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
Mr
cordwell
stated.
K
K
Then,
in
2021,
by
an
overwhelming
majority
of
the
vote,
foreign
it
passed
and
the
bottom
line
is
that
it
hadn't
been
through.
It
wasn't
like
it,
they
just
rushed
it
through.
This
had
been
talked
and
talked
and
talked
and
talked
about
and
agreed
upon,
and
everything
worked
out
for,
which
was
why
Don
and
I
bought.
It
was
because
it
just
made
so
much
sense
to
do
it.
It
was
already
in
the
plans
we
have
a
nice
idea.
What
we're
going
to
do
we're
going
to
bring
a
tax
revenue.
K
The
town
of
Cave
Creek
needs
a
revenue
stream.
If
we
want
slow
growth,
we
have
to
pay
for
it
and
that's
just
the
fact
we
have
to
allow
some
commercial
properties.
This
is
a
property
that
was
designated
mixed,
use,
there's
only
two
percent
of
property
in
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
that
you
can
get
revenue
from
we've
thrown
away
a
very
large
one.
K
And
that
that
was
why
the
Donald,
the
downfall
of
the
real
estate
market,
when
everyone
realized,
because
we
almost
lost
our
talent,
Steve
Lamar-
gave
a
an
accounting
of
we
were
almost
gobbled
up
with
by
Phoenix.
We
didn't
have
any
money,
we're
very
lucky
to
be
here
right
now,
but
we
need
the
money
to
keep
sustaining
the
town
and
I've
been
here
for
a
long
time.
I.
It's
not
like
I'm
gonna
I'm,
just
coming
here
to
just
be
a
fly-by-night
developer
and
leave
I'm
a
small
time
investor.
K
A
F
A
larger
group
just
me,
I
live
on
52nd
Street.
We're
very
welcome
to
be
here.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
your
time
and
dedication
to
the
community.
I
I.
Don't
really
have
any
problems
with
development,
but
it's
the
type
of
development
and
I
do
not
want
to
see
a
transient
community
become
part
of
Cave
Creek.
F
I
would
if,
if
you
want
to
develop
that
property
I
think
that
owner
occupy
would
be
preferable.
I
I
don't
want
to
see
like
everybody
else,
I
don't
want
to
see
more
traffic
and
this
and
that
people
do
not
use
the
shortest
route
to
get
out.
They
use
the
fastest
route.
So
you
have
to
realize
that
when
the
developer
comes
to
you
and
says
well,
this
is
the
shortest
way
they're
going
to
go.
F
M
M
For
those
who
don't
know
me,
I
am
guaranteed
so
reside
in
the
saguaros
residential
subdivision.
The
proposed
rezoning
of
the
dr-43
is
located
within
one
half
mile
of
my
home.
Soaro
is
one
of
the
oldest
original
Cave
Creek
Naval
neighborhoods,
where
single-family
homes
are
beautifully
situated
on
three-quarters
of
an
acre
or
greater.
M
Some
of
the
residents
have
lived
in
Saguaro
for
more
than
half
a
century.
It's
a
very
long
time.
I
first
want
to
thank
the
council
for
their
quick
action
with
respect
to
the
abrazo
helicopter.
I
do
want
residents
to
know
that
that
is
tabled.
It
is
a
non-issue.
We
don't
have
to
worry
about
that
right
now,
so
I
I
do
thank
you
for
your
Swift
action
on
that
with
regard
to
the
applicant
I.
M
Do
have
some
issues
with
respect
to
that,
the
first
being
that
our
initial
experience
so
far,
our
initial
experience
so
far
has
not
been
favorable.
On
October
the
31st,
the
applicant
began
construction
without
obtaining
a
work
permit,
a
stop
work
notice
was
issued.
The
applicant
was
cited
and
fined
on
November
17th.
The
applicant
appeared
before
the
planning
and
zoning
representing
that
the
property
to
the
east
is
an
artist's
studio
and
he
has
told
me
he
is
fine
doing
this
rezoning
request.
M
That's
specifically
at
page
29
lines,
one
three,
six
one
to
one
three,
six
two,
it
is
not
true.
Carlos
page
is
here
today.
He
is
a
nationally
recognized
artist
who
lives
in
that
property
is
his
live
work
studio
and
he
will
be
speaking
to
that
this
property
directly
abuts
the
subject
property
which
they
are
trying
to
change
on
the
same
day
they
applicant
representative,
Planning
and
Zoning
that
there
is
no
neighborhoods
surrounding
this
property.
M
Even
the
landscape
business,
which
exists,
is
still
Zone
dr-43,
and
it
too
contains
a
single
family.
Residence
Saguaro
is
an
area
of
single-family
homes,
the
majority
of
the
people
in
the
room
at
the
Planning
and
Zoning
meeting,
which
I
would
say,
were
conservatively
75
or
more
persons
our
residents
living
around
that
subject,
property.
M
M
M
How
many
things
can
you
cram
on
1.4
acres
of
property,
especially
when
it
abuts
a
residential
neighborhood
at
the
Planning
and
Zoning
meeting?
There
was
discussion
about
the
intent
of
commercial
buffer
and
Tim
Anderson
actually
came
out
directly
and
asked
the
applicant
how
many
units
she
planned
to
put
there,
because
if
it
was
13,
he
would
contest
it
on
the
same
grounds
as
our
multi-residential
of
eight
per
acre,
the
applicant
replied.
M
M
M
We
felt
we
had
achieved
some
protection
from
General
retail
and
higher
traffic
and
walk-in
trade
establishments
generating
higher
traffic
in
our
neighborhood,
which
is
really
contributing
to
the
growing
congestion
problem
that
exists
in
that
area.
We
had
a
fatality
automobile
accident
in
that
area
just
a
week
ago
within
the
past
week
now
what
we
believe
we
had
achieved
in
so
far
as
some
protections
from
that
type
of
environment
up
against
our
residential
neighborhoods.
M
We
have
previously
discussed
the
issue
of
commercial
buffer.
The
term
was
adopted
into
the
town,
zoning
ordinance
in
1994
and
no
True
Rewards
have
ever
been
spoken
than
that
by
chairman
Boris
on
October
20th
2022.
When
he
stated
the
term
commercial
buffer
has
been
a
source
of
consternation
and
concern
on
the
part
of
some
planning
Commissioners
as
well
as
members
of
the
public.
That
is
very
true.
M
M
It
comes
as
an
absolute
bombshell
to
these
residents
that
such
high
density
was
even
possible
if
you
provide
them
with
commercial
buffer.
There
is
no
guarantee
what
this
area
is
going
to
look
like
in
the
future
as
it
stands
now.
The
applicant
has
three
separate
things
going
on
within
this
same
parcel,
three
separate
things,
and
there
is
no
cap
as
to
the
amount
of
residential
rental
or
commercial
offices,
and
not
even
when
she
has
been
asked
residents
living
south
of
the
Carefree
Highway
have
tolerated
19
up
zonings
in
our
area,
19
upcomings.
M
We
have
sacrificed
for
the
betterment
of
the
town.
There
have
already
been
strip
commercial
zoning
changes
down
the
Carefree
Highway
they
aptly
belong
there.
We
don't
dispute
that
of
the
18
original
dr-43
Parcels,
originally
included
in
the
2010
designations.
10
of
these
Parcels
have
now
been
developed
for
commercial
use
and
there
are
only
eight
Parcels
remaining,
but
the
residents
are
saying
enough
is
enough.
Without
some
clarification,
the
pending
applications
are
poorly
thought
out.
M
M
M
The
intersection
of
Cave,
Creek
and
carefree
is
so
congested
that
drivers
are
now
avoiding
the
intersections
by
using
52nd
52nd
has
become
a
freeway
to
avoid
the
congested
traffic
signals.
We
now
have
three
stop
signs
at
the
area
52nd
and
Zenith,
for
which
we
are
thankful,
but
the
congestion
continues.
We
now
have
tractor-trailer
rakes
parked
on
52nd
Street.
This
is
not
only
unreasonable,
but
the
consequences
of
the
congestion
to
traffic
in
that
area
and
our
lack
of
infrastructure
has
been
deadly
now.
M
There's
considerable
discussion
about
a
low
inventory
of
available
apartments
for
Town
workers.
The
starting
rent
for
these
units
is
in
excess
of
two
thousand
dollars
per
month
that
has
been
stated
by
the
applicant.
That's
not
necessarily
affordable,
especially
when
cheaper
rents
are
available
at
nearby
Desert
Hills
in
Desert
Ridge,
which
did
not
exist
back
in
2010.
M
M
Affordable
housing
has
been
an
ongoing
discussion
for
more
than
a
Dozen
Years.
There
are
already
apartment
parcel
zone
for
apartments,
condos
and
Townhomes.
Building
on
infill
vacant
land,
already
zoned,
commercial,
buffer
and
multi-family
in
our
town
could
accommodate
this
new
growth
and
serve
as
an
alternative
to
sprawl
development.
M
M
We
brag
about
having
a
rural,
Western
lifestyle,
but
is
there
any
brand
loyalty
to
this?
I
know
that
Mr
augerton,
when
he
was
asked
to
name
the
top
three
concerns
in
Cave
Creek
and
how
he
might
solve
them.
He
referenced
certain
things
that
he
would
do,
and
one
of
his
concerns
was
the
impending
risk
of
upzoning
parcels
in
residential
neighborhoods.
M
The
residents
in
that
area
are
entitled
to
the
same
life
that
the
rest
of
Cave
Creek
has
back
in
November
of
2022.
The
residents
of
Area
18
circulated
a
petition
just
opposing
the
up
zoning
of
this
property
and
the
Zen
project,
which
would
be
directly
across
the
street.
In
a
short
amount
of
time,
we
accumulated
400
signatures
of
Cave
Creek
residents
opposing
this
rezoning
application.
M
The
conditional
approval
contained
on
January
the
17th
agenda
is
inconsistent
with
the
motion
that
was
approved
on
November,
the
17th
residential
uses
shall
be
limited
to
residential
rental
units
and
Commercial
office.
Suites,
the
verbiage
commercial
office
suites,
was
eliminated
at
the
same
Planning
and
Zoning
meeting.
There
was
an
application
by
Zen
to
rezone
to
commercial
barther
a
similar
application
for
apartments.
M
There
is
no
reason
why
this
developer's
application
would
not
have
appropriately
have
the
same
conditions
assigned
to
their
application.
I
do
not
see
that
there
was
any
Amendment
to
the
original
motion.
Chairman
Boris
called
for
a
vote,
and
it
passed
six
to
one
in
favor
is
important
for
me
to
mention
that
there
were
additional
conditions
applied
to
the
Zen
project
which,
in
all
reality
and
fairness,
should
have
also
been
attached
to
this
applications.
M
That's
really
not
an
excuse,
for
example,
condition
number
two:
where
adjacent
to
residentially
zoned
properties,
all
improvements
with
the
exception
of
landscaping,
utilities
and
town
approved
Pathways
shall
be
limited
to
placement
within
the
building
setbacks.
I
do
not
know
why
that
condition
does
not
apply
to
this
application
condition.
Number
three:
in
addition
to
the
landscape
requirements
per
the
town
code
and
ordinance,
a
landscape
buffer
shall
be
included
within
the
25-foot
building
setback
and
shall
include
at
a
minimum
136
inch
Fox
tree
every
30
feet.
M
Again,
I,
don't
know
why
these
conditions
do
not
appropriately
apply
to
a
very
similar
application
directly
across
the
street.
The
current
verbiage
refers
only
to
residential
uses.
Are
residents
going
to
be
assured
that
the
only
applicable
use
for
this
parcel
will
be
solely
limited
to
residential
rental
units,
because
that
is
not
how
the
condition
of
approval
reads
to
me.
M
Therefore,
some
careful
thought
and
discussion
needs
to
be
had
before
haphazardly
disowning
this
to
commercial
buffer.
Once
the
underlying
zoning
changes.
There's
no
going
back
in
my
observation.
There
are
three
ways
to
affect
change
for
the
betterment
of
the
town
in
this
area.
One
is
to
develop
an
sap
for
Area
18,
which
I
understand
the
Town.
Council
is
considering,
and
not
necessarily
inclined
to
do.
I
understand.
M
M
M
In
closing
I
know
the
question
was
posed
as
to
what
the
applicant
would
do
if
her
change
to
commercial
buffer
was
currently
denied
and
a
response
was
for
her
to
wait
a
year
and
reapply
while
waiting
a
year,
she's
collecting
income
from
the
three
residential
rentals
that
exist
in
the
single
family
home.
Currently,
so
there
is
really
no
Injustice
there's,
certainly
no
Injustice
in
my
asking
for
commercial
offices
to
be
added
to
one
of
the
conditions,
because
that
is
what
her
site
concept
plan
calls
for.
M
A
N
Hello,
Karen
and
I
have
spoken.
I
am
going
to
take
my
three
minutes
and
I
apologize
because
sometimes
when
you
really
want
to
do
a
good
job
on
behalf
of
your
neighbors
and
on
behalf
of
yourself,
sometimes
you're
just
not
happy
and
you
make
a
lot
of
scribbles
in
your
notes.
Okay,
so
I
am
Julie.
Goldhammer
you've
met
me
before
I
live
at
the
famous
52nd
Street
34022
North
52nd
Street,
approximately
two
blocks
from
the
subject:
property
we
Mike
and
I
have
lived
in
Cave
Creek.
Just
for
four
years.
N
We
were
not
here.
In
2010.,
we
have
been
at
different
pop-up
sessions
for
the
general
plan.
We
have
tried
to
be
as
involved
as
possible.
I
know:
I've
spoken
to
several
of
you.
I've
been
at
different
meetings,
I'm,
not
somebody
that
just
comes
I'm
not
trying
to
be
the
loudest
person
in
the
room,
I'm
trying
to
collaborate
here
and
give
suggestions
in
those
pop-up
sessions.
At
the
general
plan
we
did
come
up
with
suggestions
on
traffic
for
low
and
other
items
and
I
have
to
tell
you.
N
I
voted
for
the
general
plan,
not
realizing
some
of
the
little
inconsistencies
or
loopholes
and
councilman
Rhodes
had
just
brought
up
consistency,
and
so
I
want
to
keep
going
with
consistency.
The
three
points
or
definitions
I
would
like
to
address
tonight
are
related
to
density,
mixed
use
and
commercial
buffer
because
they
all
kind
of
fight
with
each
other
in
our
town
documents,
namely
our
general
plan,
the
sap
and
our
zoning
ordinances,
all
kind
of
mention
different
things
in
different
definitions,
so
give.
Let
me
give
you
an
example.
N
The
general
plan
mentions
density
24
different
times
in
the
document
when
you
search
it,
but
only
once
does
it
address
what
medium
density
actually
is
defined,
as
which
Karen
teats
already
mentioned
under
an
MR
or
multi-residential
zoning,
it
defines
it
as
eight
dwellings
per
one
acre.
Eight
dwelling
units
per
one
acre
and
I
think
we
can
all
appreciate
that
that
that's,
probably
okay,
it's
just
the
high
density
component
that
gets
confusing.
The
other
thing
is
mixed
use,
so
Area
18,
which
sounds
like
Area
51.
You.
N
Really
good
vibe,
so
maybe
we
could
change
that
because
we're
not
like
green
and
glowing,
but
Area
18
is
called
mixed.
Use.
I
come
from
a
real
estate
background
as
well
and
mixed
use-
and
this
is
a
very
loose
definition-
is
actually
defined
or
described
as
a
development,
with
a
single
project
plan
to
be
consistent
in
look
and
feel
to
encourage
pedestrian
traffic
and
to
purposely
put
residential
retail
restaurants,
industrial
and
or
commercial
space
together.
It's
done
all
together.
Think
Kierland
comments.
That's
a
mixed-use
property,
not
area
18.
area.
N
N
Commercial
buffer
is
a
buffer
and
it
should
be
in
the
general
plan.
It's
it's
not
mentioned
anywhere
in
the
general
plan.
Commercial
buffer
doesn't
exist
anywhere,
not
the
words
at
all,
so
the
loophole
comes
when
we
have
people
who
come
in
and
want
to
have
commercial
buffer,
but
they
actually
have
a
multiple
residential,
and
we
call
that
eight-
and
this
is
an
eight
and
so
what
I
would
recommend
is
until
we
can
better
Define
commercial
buffer
and
what
that
is
defined
to
be
I.
N
Ask
that
you
consider
putting
this
as
an
MR
or
a
multi-residential
zoning
restriction
on
this
particular
applicant
and
not
commercial,
because
when
you
go
to
commercial
buffer,
it
opens
up
to
a
whole
bunch
of
other
uses
that
could
go
in
there
if
Miss
Moore
does
decides
not
to
continue
developing
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
O
Hi
Mike
Johnson,
also
on
52nd
Street,
and
so
yes,
Julie,
said:
we've
been
in
a
few
of
these
meetings,
specifically
when
the
hospital
was
being
considered
and
looking
for
zoning
changes
for
its
development
and
in
hindsight
they
acted
with
a
lot
of
good
faith
and
they
gave
us
a
site
plan.
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
that
site
plan.
They
adjusted
their
site
plan
and
how
the
traffic
was
flowing
around
that
it
was
appreciated.
O
Now
this
development
and
then
the
Zen
property
to
the
South
I'm,
not
talking
about
the
Zen
property.
It's
just
part
of
the
context.
Now
it's
well
you've
got
the
hospital
there.
So
now
we're
going
to
put
apartments
in
that's
just
an
extension
of
that
type
of
development.
They're
not
talking
about
the
residential,
that's
all
on
the
other
side
of
that
so
they're
more
aligning
themselves
with
the
commercial
development,
not
with
the
established
residential
development.
O
So
it's
a
bit
disheartening
to
us
that,
well,
you
said
okay
to
the
hospital.
Therefore,
you
should
say:
okay
to
these
apartments,
and
then
the
developers
are
like
we're
doing
you
a
favor
by
building
these
apartments
as
residents
in
the
area,
we're
not
sure
they're
doing
us
a
favor
with
any
of
these
considerations,
I'm
sure
you're,
taking
into
account
the
interests
of
the
town,
the
residents
and,
of
course,
the
business
owners
of
the
Town
Town
doesn't
live
without
the
business
owners
and
that
gets
back
to
the
idea
of
good
faith.
O
There's
no
site
plan,
provided
we
don't
know,
what's
really
proposed
other
than
just
a
concept
and
if,
if
me
as
a
resident,
a
neighbor
of
this
property
just
base,
take
the
personalities
out
of
it
just
what
we're
being
disc.
What
is
being
discussed?
I
much
prefer
this
Casa's
Carefree
over
the
Zen
thing
that
was
proposed
before
part
of
that
is,
we've
seen
a
site
plan
for
Zen.
We
don't
like
it
it's
way
too
crowded.
It's
gonna,
be
a
lot
of
overflow
parking,
not
much
consideration
to
the
types
of
services
residential
neighborhoods
need.
O
O
O
So
wrapping
this
up
residents
are
left
with
no
other
tool
than
just
to
get
loud
and
complain
and
say
not
know,
but
hell,
no,
not
in
our
backyard,
because
we
don't
really
know
what
we're
talking
about.
We
don't
know,
what's
really
honestly
being
proposed
to
us
and
so
as
the
residents
as
part
of
this
three-legged
stool,
that
runs
the
town.
It's
a
Town's
business
interests
us
as
residents
and
the
business
owners
interests
the
right
on
time.
O
You
know
what
is
it
that
us,
as
residents
have
to
go
off
of
other
than
just
a
few
comments,
some
Concepts,
and
what
we
really
would
like
is
good
faith
on
all
sides,
so
we
can
really
get
a
better
understanding
of
what's
being
proposed
and
how
it
would
honestly
impact
our
neighborhood.
Thank
you.
Thank.
P
Good
evening,
Jill
Andrews,
6250,
markway
I
am
also
a
long
time
resident
of
Cave.
Creek
I
realize
nothing
stays
the
same.
I,
don't
think!
That's
why
we're
here
tonight,
I,
don't
think
the
support
of
these
people
here
are
to
try
to
set
something
in
stone
and
not
accept
the
changes
that
we
must.
However,
what
is
being
proposed
does
not
fit
in
the
residents
in
the
neighborhood,
because
it
is
a
residential
area.
They
don't
want
it.
P
So
we're
that's.
Why
we're
all
here
the
safety,
but
one
of
the
main
issues
for
my
my
concerns,
we're
having
our
privacy
taken
away.
Nobody
moved
to
Cave
Creek
to
be.
We
moved
here
by
choice.
We
weren't
kicked
out
of
Phoenix
or
Scottsdale,
or
any
place
like
that.
We
chose
to
live
here
for
a
quieter
lifestyle
and
to
have
privacy,
and
now
you
want-
or
someone
wants
to
put
a
two-story
apartment
building
well
have
Ed.
Has
anybody
ever
lived
next
door
to
something?
That's
two-story
in
your
one
story?
P
Well,
they're
barbecuing
tonight:
what
are
they
having
oh
they're,
sunbathing?
Oh,
she
doesn't
have
her
top
on
hey.
You
know,
that's
what
you're
talking
about
here!
You're
talking
about
getting
rid
of
our
privacy,
why
do
you
think
we
live
out
here?
What
brought
us
out
here
so
that
would
this
is
the
subject.
P
You
were
either
on
that
side
or
you
were
on
that
side
and
you
couldn't
get
home
and
so
yeah
we're
going
with
the
flow
we're
flexible,
but
let's
try
to
keep
or
not
take
away
our
privacy
and
put
something
in
that
doesn't
belong
there
and
when
you
have
an
apartment,
complex
well
from
Dust
to
Dawn,
it
has
to
be
lit
up
for
safety
reasons,
and
that
this
has
also
been
mentioned.
You
have
to
have
enough
law
enforcement.
P
F
L
L
B
Q
Vice
mayor
and
esteemed
Council,
thank
you
for
having
me
my
name
is
Carol
Perry
I
live
at
4944,
East,
Sawmill
Circle
in
Cave,
Creek
and
I'm,
going
to
go
slightly
over
three
minutes,
but
I
have
a
couple
people
that
have
given
me
some
time.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
but
I
won't
even
hit
six
minutes.
I
promise
this
segues
off
of
just
about
everything
else.
You've
heard
and
it's
not
very
repetitious.
I'd
Gather
in
the
summer
of
1989.
Q
Majority
of
my
neighbors
in
Saguaro
West
petitioned
The,
Cave
Creek
Council
to
Annex
us
into
the
town,
because
we
too,
as
Mr
Lamar
put
it
so
eloquently
at
the
Planning
Commission
session,
could
see
the
writing
on
the
wall.
If
Phoenix
were
to
Annex
us
into
the
future,
and
we
were
thrilled
when
the
annexation
occurred
in
October
of
1989
and
I
have
the
certificate
here
signed
by
Jackie
Davis.
Q
If
anybody
cares
to
see
it,
because
everyone
was
relieved
to
know
that
our
neighborhood
would
be
afforded
the
same
protections
of
all
Cave
Creek
residents
living
under
Desert,
rural
living
and
zoning
fast
forward,
11
years
to
2000.
in
September
of
2000.
After
months
of
working
with
dozens
of
concerned,
citizens
and
the
town
I
and
the
Cave
Creek
residents
of
Saguaro
West
came
to
town
hall
together
to
vote,
to
approve
our
first
and
only
property
tax
in
order
to
complete
the
purchase
of
the
spur
Cross
Ranch
Conservation
Area
on
the
other
side
of
town
from
us.
Q
To
our
big
surprise,
not
a
single
one
of
us
was
listed
on
the
Cave
Creek
voter
rolls
and
we
were
told
to
go
to
the
Fine
Arts
Center
at
the
Cactus
Shadows
High
School,
to
cast
our
vote
well
off.
We
went
to
find
out.
We
weren't
listed
there,
either
with
every
indication
that
this
election
was
going
to
be
lost
by
a
single
Vote
or
won
by
a
single
vote.
Potentially,
we
refuse
to
give
up.
Q
It
took
a
call
from
our
vice
mayor,
Laura
Cox
to
the
County
Recorder
Helen
Purcell,
to
get
the
poll
workers
in
Cave
Creek
to
provide
us
with
provisional
ballots.
In
order
for
us
to
cast
our
votes,
it
turned
out
to
be
a
huge
Landslide,
but
we
didn't
know
that
going
in
fast
forward,
another
10
years
in
2010
I
held
and
spoke
at
numerous
neighborhood
forums
throughout
Cave
Creek,
in
support
of
the
original
General
plan,
as
well
as
for
Walmart
God.
Help
me
to
generate
much
needed
sales
tax
revenue
for
the
town.
Q
Q
Had
I
or
we
been
aware,
I
surely
believe
that
you
would
have
seen
significant
input
from
the
people
in
this
neighborhood.
We
are
a
residential
neighborhood
inside
the
Cave
Creek
Town
limits.
We
have
participated
in
numerous
actions
over
the
years
that
impact
the
well-being
of
all
of
Cave
Creek.
We
never
expected
the
properties
bordering
Carefree,
Highway
and
Cave
Creek
Road
to
remain
residential.
We
all
recognize
the
appropriateness
and
the
value
for
those
properties
to
be
zoned
and
used
commercially.
You've
had
no
quarrel
from
us.
Q
We
did,
however,
and
still
do
whether
we
bought
our
homes
50
years
ago
or
two
years
ago
expect
our
neighborhood,
which
is
not
just
a
bunch
of
Mobile
Homes
at
all.
We
are
expected
to
remain
desert
rural
zoning.
We
are
homeowners,
all
of
us
committed
to
living
in
peace
and
Harmony
within
our
homes
and
among
our
neighbors.
We
therefore
are
begging
you
to
refuse
the
petition
to
rezone
this
parcel
from
Desert
rural
43
to
commercial
buffer,
one
of
your
most
acclaimed
and
upstanding
citizens.
Q
Fine
artist,
Carlos
page
followed
every
permit
rule
that
we
have
and
boy
do.
We
have
a
lot
of
them
for
over
two
years
to
bring
his
studio
in
line
with
our
desert
rural
building
codes.
He
doesn't
deserve
to
be
squeezed
by
an
illegal
commercial
landscape,
business
on
his
West
Side
at
52nd
Street
or
a
cluster
of
multi-residence
units
and
possible
Commercial
Business
on
his
East
Side
at
53rd.
Street
he's
the
only
thing
in
the
minute.
Q
A
L
R
Good
evening
Mr
Mayor
vice
mayor
steam,
council
members,
my
name
is
Mark
Cloud
I
live
in
Soro
West,
also
I've
been
there
since
2009.
I
worked
in
Cave
Creek
for
Cave
Creek,
Unified
Schools
for
the
last
18
years
and
having
been
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission,
meeting
and
sitting
here
this
evening.
You
know,
especially
at
the
zoning
meeting.
R
R
It's
not
just
going
to
apply
to
this
one
project.
Eventually,
it's
probably
going
to
apply
to
the
whole
area
because
well
we
have
a
browser.
So
we
need
this,
and
now
we've
got
this
high
density
housing
unit
here
so
we'd
like
to
do
this
and
honestly,
when
I
moved
here
in
2009
that
wasn't
what
I
had
envisioned
I
voted
for
the
general
plan
and
going
back
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
one
of
the
commissioners.
R
He
wasn't
even
clear
on
what
the
general
plan
he
asked
a
lot
of
questions
of
Luke.
You
know
I
thought
this
was
R8.
I
thought
this
was
Eight
houses
per
acre
and
I'm.
Thinking
to
myself,
I
felt
stupid
for
not
understanding
what
I
voted
for,
but
then,
when
I
thought
well,
one
of
our
zoning
Commissioners
doesn't
even
understand
it.
R
So
with
that
being
said,
I
mean
the
idea
of
stepping
back
taking
a
little
time
to
reconsider
what
the
verbiage
is.
What
the
language
is.
You
know
I
think
people
in
here
have
been
supportive
of
other
projects,
but
had
I
known
then
what
I
know
now
potentially
could
have
happened.
I
don't
know
if
I
could
have
supported
that,
but
anyway,
thank
you
for
your.
B
S
R
S
My
name
is
Gary
Sprague
I
live
at
34040,
North
Cape,
North,
53rd
Street
I
am
not
a
Cave
Creek
resident,
but
if
I
step
off
my
property
to
the
next
property
I'm
in
Cave
Creek,
when
when
Walmart
came,
I
thought
great
now,
I
can
walk
to
the
store
when
they
wanted
to
put
in
Tractor,
Supply
and
Auto
Zone
and
all
this
stuff
over
there.
We
didn't
complain
when
they
put
in
Dutch
Bros.
Next
to
us,
we
didn't
complain:
they've
been
great
Neighbors.
S
K
K
K
K
So
I
know
a
little
bit
about
what
I
want
to
do,
but
I
have
to
come
before
you
again
with
a
plan
with
the
correct
setbacks,
with
the
correct
vegetation
with
the
correct
height
and
have
you
approve
it?
So
it's
not
like
it's
not
like.
It
can
be
anything
it's
not
like
give
the
zoning
and
they
can
do
whatever
they
want.
No
there's
a
limit
in
the
size,
there's
a
Max
that
can
be
put
on
a
parcel
because
of
the
rules
that
they
have
on
building
and
I'm
fine
with
that.
K
Okay-
and
that's
that's
how
we
did
our
conceptual
plans
that
I
did
pay
a
lot
of
money
for
I'm
working
with
Don
Fredericks
I'm
I'm,
trying
to
make
sure
that
this
is
cave.
Creekish
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
know
Cape
Don
Fredericks,
but
he's
done
some
beautiful
projects
in
the
town
as
far
as
a
two-story,
the
height
limit
for
the
town
of
Cave,
Creek
I,
think
is
like
25
feet
or
23
feet.
So,
whether
it's
one
story
or
two
story,
you're
allowed
that
height
limit
so
I'm
not
asking
for
anything
higher.
K
We're
not
going
to
be
looking
at
anybody
in
Saguaro
West
they're,
more
than
a
half
a
mile
away
from
this
property,
they're
a
half
a
mile
away
from
the
Zen
property,
but
they're
more
than
half
a
mile
away
from
my
property
which,
by
the
way
you
haven't
heard
this
on
property,
but
they
so
they
Unfortunately.
They
put
this
proposal
together
and
they
were
in
the
same
zoning
day
as
I
was,
and
it
had
like
a
gazillion
houses
on
there
with
three
bedrooms:
I,
don't
have
any
three
bedroom
units.
K
I
have
plenty
of
parking.
I
actually
did
a
plan
with
a
surveyor
and
with
a
builder
that
would
make
sense.
We
still
have
to
come
before
you
and
we
have
to
make
sure
it's
going
to
work,
but
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
trying
to
put
you
know
they
had
the
backyards
and
the
setbacks.
That
was
why
one
of
the
one
of
the
requests
was
they
have
to
do
box
trees
or
whatever
I.
Don't
I
didn't
submit
anything
like
that.
I'm.
Not
all
I'm
asking
for
is
a
zoning
change
right
now.
K
My
proposal
to
do
it
will
be
for
commercial,
slash
Apartments.
Now
the
difference
between
mr8
and
apartments,
and-
and
this
is
why
people
are
getting
confused-
mr8
is
single.
Family
housing
mr8
would
be
by
Galloway
Ridge
or
something
like
that.
That
would
be
I.
Think
it's
eight
houses
per
acre,
that's
mr8!
It's
not
it's!
Not
multiple!
Family
multi-family
is
commercial.
So
that's
where
the
where
the
confusion
gets
for.
Oh,
she
can
only
have
eight
per
acre.
Well,
that
would
be
completely
different.
That'd,
be
a
subdivision.
K
J
K
The
the
thing
that's
floating
around
that,
oh,
if
you
give
her
mr8
or
the
excuse,
then
everybody's
going
to
want
mixed
use.
Well,
that
would
be
like
saying:
if
the
hospital
is
commercial
core,
then
I
would
get
commercial
core.
With
that
premise,
I
mean
I'm,
not
asking
for
commercial,
for
so
I
can't
help
it
with
somebody
else.
It's
going
to
ask
that's
their
right
to
ask,
but
it's
not
fair,
to
punish
me
because
they're
afraid
someone
else
has
been
asked
for
it.
You
have
to
do
a
case
by
case.
Q
K
Know
on
the
petition,
a
lot
of
people
are
from
the
county.
There
are
people
that
sign
the
petition.
The
people,
some
of
the
people
in
the
in
on
the
petition
were
from
Peoria
and
Scottsdale.
Some
of
them
signed
twice
many
of
the
people.
I
knew,
for
instance,
mayor
Francia,
I
call
them
because
mayor
Francia
voted
this
to
be
put
in
and
in
2010
before
they
moved
here.
They
even
said
before
they
moved
here.
He
voted
for
it
and
he
told
me
which
I
figured
was
the
case
that
he
felt
pressured.
He
was
at
a
party.
K
He
was
at
a
very
small
Christmas
party
and
Miss
Perry,
who
was
a
very
good
friend
of
his
asked
him
to
sign
it,
and
him
and
his
wife
felt
uncomfortable,
not
signing
it.
And
if
you
know
mayor
Francia,
you
know
that's
the
truth,
because
he
does
not
like
to
make
people
feel
bad,
so
I
knew
it
when
I
called
him
that
that
was
going
to
be
I,
didn't
know
it
was
Carol
or
that
it
was
at
the
the
other
thing
about
the
petitions,
which
is
kind
of
funny
which
they
they
don't
really
mean
anything.
K
K
A
K
Thank
you,
but
it
is
an
issue
for
the
fact
when
somebody
comes
up
and
says:
I
completely
lied,
which
was
not
true.
I
did
not
lie.
I
had
a
confirmation
conversation
with
him.
If
he's
changed
his
mind,
maybe
he's
changed
his
mind.
I
don't
know,
but
our
conversation
was.
He
had
no
problem
with
it.
He
was
surprised.
I
was
going
to
keep
the
building
there
because
he
thought
it
was
ugly
and
it
was,
and
as
far
as
getting
doing
work
without
a
permit
I
stuccoed
that
are
you
kidding
me.
K
K
All
right,
I,
don't
like
me
being
accused
of
lying
I
did
not
know
I
needed
a
permit.
I
would
have
gotten
a
permit
ahead
of
time.
I
couldn't
get
the
stuccoed
until
I
had
the
windows
put
in,
and
it
took
me
like
three
months
to
get
those
windows,
so
I
would
have
stucco
that
the
day
I
bought
it.
If
I
could
have
without
putting
those
windows
in
there
was
no
lying.
K
Now,
when
I
bought
this
property,
I
did
my
due
diligence
and
I
looked
to
see
what
what
it
was
owned
and
I
looked
to
see
that
it
was
already
classified
as
a
mixed-use
zoning
to
help
pay
for
the
costs
of
things
in
the
town.
I'm,
sorry
that
some
of
the
people
that
moved
in
afterwards
did
not
do
their
due
diligence
and
look
into
this,
but
it
was
there
for
them
to
see
as
well
and
they
could
have
looked
into
it
before
they
purchased
it.
K
K
The
fact
of
commercial
buffer
and
intermediate
zoning
there's
not
going
to
be
any
difference,
they're,
just
changing
the
name,
they're,
not
changing
what
it
does.
They're,
not
changing,
they're,
not
changing
what
the
definition
is.
Just
too
many
people
were
confused
with
commercial
buffer,
so
they
want
to
change
it
to
intermediate.
K
K
K
No
questions,
okay,
so
please
remember:
I
have
nothing
to
do
with
Zen
I,
don't
I'm
only
coming
before
you
as
a
zoning
change.
I'm
coming
for
a
zoning
change
that
was
part
of
the
plan
was
part
of
what
907
people
voted
for
for
the
general
plan.
They
voted
for
it
they're
not
in
this
room
right
now,
but
they
voted
for
this
they've
already
approved
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
A
A
C
You
know
Area
18
is
an
interesting
thing
that
was
that
came
about
after
the
Great
Recession,
and
the
reason
we
did
that
was
was
for
for
Revenue.
Producing
properties
would
to
change
those
to
stuff
that
brought
money.
So
when
I
first
heard
about
this
project,
I
absolutely
was
was
against
it
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why?
C
A
G
Sure,
mayor
Morris
members
of
council
currently
so
that
if
Brian
can
maybe
bring
that
map
back
up
this
might
this
might
help
me
illustrate
my
statement
here
regarding
that
of
our
land
use
classifications.
We
have
four
desert
rural
land
use
classifications,
two
medium
residential
classifications
of
which
the
Saguaro
West
subdivision
is,
is
within
one
of
those
medium
residential
land
uses.
We
have
a
multiple
residential
land
use
prior
to
this
General
plan
that
was
approved
in
2021.
G
This
land
use
classification
was
referred
to
as
high
density,
residential
and
high
density
residential
is
capped
at
eight
units
per
acre.
This
area
area
18,
as
well
as
area
10
to
the
north,
to
the
South,
sorry
to
the
south
and
west
of
this
we're
given
mixed
use,
land
use
classifications.
The
reason
for
that
was
to
allow
for
consideration
of
any
zoning
District
or
any
zoning
category
that
came
forward
at
such
time
in
the
future,
to
allow
Council
the
flexibility
to
consider
those
requests.
G
The
reason
this
isn't
capped
at
eight
units
per
acre
once
again
deals
to
the
fact
that
both
the
land
use
being
mixed
use
doesn't
have
a
cap
of
eight
units
per
acre.
Only
the
multiple
residential
land
use
category
does
that
those
multiple
residential
land
uses
are
found
within
the
town
core.
Most
recently,
the
the
windmill
apartment
development,
which
is
just
starting
to
break
ground,
is
four
acres.
G
G
T
Yeah
Mr
Mayor
I
just
want
to
mention
the
windmill
house,
because
it's
been
discussed
a
few
times
this
evening.
If
you'll
indulge
me
not
that
it's
related
to
this
case,
but
that
was
and
I
say
it
was
because
that's
mostly
been
torn
down,
but
that
was
one
of
our
original
homesteads
here
in
the
Cave
Creek
area
and
it
would
have
made
a
great
Visitor,
Center
or
annexed
to
the
Cape
Creek
Museum
or
kind
of
an
entry
relationship
with
people
coming
in
to
the
community
for
visitors.
T
Miss
Moore
was
the
listing
agent
I
believe
on
that
property
and
Mr
Bunch
was
working
with
that
property
would
have
changed.
Zoning
at
the
last
Council
and
I
understand
changed.
I
understand
growth,
but
this
is
how
Cave
Creek
changes
one
parcel
at
a
time
each
case
you
know
measured
on
its
own
merits,
but
the
windmill
property,
and
now
we
have
the
screening
going
up
around
it.
So
it
won't.
The
defoliation
won't
be
obvious
to
the
people
that
live
here.
T
But
if
we
could
just
try
to
hold
on
to
a
little
bit
of
the
essence
of
what
the
town
is
all
about.
Maybe
not
section
18
is
not
as
historic
or
and
so
forth,
but
the
windmill
property
I
just
have
to
give
a
public
lament
for
it,
because
that
it
had
so
much
potential.
But
the
timing
was
not
there.
The
money
was
not
there
and
the
opportunity.
No
longer
is
there.
T
So
when
you
come
in
from
Carefree
you're
going
to
drive
into
our
town
and
look
down
on
a
flat
roof
full
of
air
conditioning
units
and
that's
going
to
be
one
more
stucco
box
that
we're
using
to
provide
a
needed
service
but
not
in
a
way
that
seems
to
best
serve
our
Aesthetics
and
our
history
and
our
desire
to
be
a
tourist
Resort
town.
So
I
don't
have
any
other
substance
on
that.
Mr
Mayor
I
just
wanted
to
I.
A
D
A
lot
changes
over
time.
2010
this
Council
decided
that
area
18
should
be
zoned
differently
in
all
those
years.
We
have
Walmart
now
and
we
have
all
sorts
of
commercial
development
on
Carefree
Highway
and
we
have
generated
plenty
of
revenue
from
that
and
I
think
that
it's
time
to
stop
and
breathe
and
respect
the
residents
who
live
in
that
area,
I
think
they've
been
impacted
greatly
by
brazo
and
by
all
of
the
new
shopping
centers
that
are
being
built
along
Carefree
Highway,
and
there
are
too
many
unknowns
in
this
plan.
D
E
J
A
I
I
D
A
I'm
really
struck
by
the
analogy
to
the
sap
plan.
We
had
a
plan
that
was
approved
by
one
group
of
people
and
then
10
or
15
years
later
it
comes
up
and
I
think
those
time
delays
between
some
of
these
Return
of
the
change
of
people.
There's
a
change
in
neighborhoods
to
the
extent
that
can
be
done.
Contemporaneously
would
probably
result
in
a
better
result,
because
there's
a
win-lose
here
that
one
side's
going
away
and
one
side's
gonna
lose.
I
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we
want
to
do
a
special
area
plan,
at
least
according
to
the
the
folks
I've
talked
to
down
in
in
Phoenix.
A
special
area
plan
means
we're
going
to
develop
that
area.
So
it's
going
to
be
end
up
being
commercial
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
what
we
want,
so
we
want
the
Planning
Commission
working
with
the
folks
that
live
out
there
to
figure
out
what
the
right
solution
is,
because
we
are
going
to
have
to
do
some
things
in
there,
because
it
is.
I
T
A
And
I'd
like
to
thank
the
audience.
This
has
been
the
of
the
audience.
Is
this
size
that
I've
seen
in
10
years
ago
in
these
meetings,
I
want
to
congratulate
you
on
generally
the
politeness
shown
on
both
sides?
We
didn't
have
some
of
the
things
that
go
on
in
other
meetings,
so
thank
you
very
much
and
we'll
move
to
the
next
agenda
item.
A
Council
discussion,
approval
authorizing
Town
managed
to
complete
the
purchase
of
a
fiscal
year.
23
utilities,
department,
crane
truck
utilizing
existing
state
procurement
contracts
or
other
best
available.
Pricing
that
meets
the
town's
procurement
needs
for
an
amount
up
to
one
hundred
thousand
dollars.
U
Evening,
mayor
and
Council,
the
action
item
before
you
tonight
is
a
request
to
make
a
vehicle
purchase
for
the
utilities
department.
Let
me
give
you
a
bit
of
a
background.
So
currently
we
have
a
service
body
truck
that
we
include
in
part
of
our
maintenance
group.
That's
actually
a
three-person
group
that
actually
does
most
the
maintenance
for
our
facilities,
both
treatment
plants
and
our
remote
facilities.
U
It's
a
2007
vehicle
that
was
actually
it's
due
up
for
replacement
as
part
of
our
replacement
program
due
to
the
age
of
the
unit
and
its
condition
during
last
year's
budget
process,
we
asked
actually
get
some
additional
funding
to
allow
us
to
operate
that
unit
to
a
crane
truck.
So
we
do
have
one
crane
truck
currently
in
the
maintenance
group.
U
Well,
it's
a
2018
vehicle,
but
having
a
second
crane
truck
would
be
more
useful
for
us
because
it
allows
the
staff
to
work
independently
and
this
would
be
a
slightly
larger
crane
vehicle.
So
what
we've
done
is
we've
reached
out
and
asked
for
some
quotations?
It's
a
little
odd
because
we're
not
asking
for
a
specific
purchase
today,
we're
asking
for
the
authority
a
little
bit
of
background
is
the
vehicle.
Market
has
been
exceptionally
difficult.
U
Last
couple
years,
when
we
came
forward
last
year
to
do
vehicle
purchases,
we
asked
purchase
Council
authority
to
allow
us
to
use
existing,
say
contracts
to
make
those
purchases
happen.
While
in
your
package
tonight,
you
actually
will
see
a
quotation
from
Courtesy
Chevrolet
for
a
vehicle,
they
will
not
secure
that
quote
for
us
until
we
can
give
them
a
POS
who
are
in
an
odd
situation
so
that
we've
actually
reached
out
to
them.
Last
week
it
was
last
time
we
talked
to
them.
Vehicle
chassis
was
still
available.
U
We
haven't
reached
out
to
them
after
a
long
weekend,
so
it
might
not
be
available.
So
we're
asking
for
Council
authority
to
to
not
make
this
specific
purchase,
but
to
give
us
the
authority
to
make
the
purchase
the
the
account
manager
to
approve
that.
The
other
thing
that's
happened
is
when
we
originally
put
this
into
our
budget
request.
Last
year
we
based
it
on
what
we
purchased.
Just
last
year's
was
two
Diesel
Service
body,
one-ton
pickup
trucks
for
the
utilities
department.
U
Those
Vehicles
cost
is
about
65
000,
a
piece
reaching
out
to
vendors.
They
said,
add
another
twenty
thousand
dollars
to
add
the
crane
component,
which
includes
the
Outriggers
in
the
Korean
assembly
itself.
Well,
now
we're
actually
looking
about
another
fifteen
thousand
dollars
more
than
what
we
anticipated
and
that's
just
the
market
conditions.
So
these
are
State.
Contracts
are
allowed
to
renegotiate
every
year
in
pricing,
so
we're
we're
sort
of
with
the
the
the
market
as
we
have
so
we
budgeted
85
000
we're
looking
to
bridge
the
gap.
U
The
fifteen
thousand
dollars
by
using
existing
operational
dollars,
maintenance
dollars
for
set
aside,
because
this
will
be
a
maintenance
vehicle
for
the
town.
So
we're
hopeful
that
you
agree
that
if
you
can
give
us
the
authority,
then
we
hope
that
the
chassis
still
available
as
of
tomorrow
when
we
can
issue
the
PO
and
actually
secure
this
and
then
the
the
upfitting
would
would
then
proceed
to
this
point.
We're
just
buying
the
bear.
Chassis
you'll,
see,
there's
two
quotations:
Kersey
Chevrolet
and
the
other
vehicle.
U
The
other
quotation
is
actually
what
we
refer
to
as
the
outfitting
they're,
actually
putting
on
the
body
and
the
crane
onto
the
back
of
the
unit.
So
with
that,
I
can
answer
any
questions.
But
again,
at
this
point,
we're
just
asking
for
Council
authority
to
allow
us
to
make
this
purchase.
Give
us
a
little
bit
of
the
flexibility
due
to
the
marketing
conditions
that
this
chassis
has
gone
on.
D
O
A
I
Good
evening,
mayor
and
members
of
the
council,
I'm
Jim
Ford
I'm,
your
director
of
community
risk
reduction
I've,
been
working
on
these
projects.
For
a
couple
years
now,
I
have
Gerald
Adams
who's,
our
primary
architect.
We
hired
him
he's
with
permit.
If
you
recall
just
not
too
long
ago,
we
entered
into
a
contract
with
Perlman
to
tell
us
what
we
could
and
couldn't
do
with
the
fire
station
that
we
purchased
to
bring
it
up
to
speed
and
up
to
current
standards.
Current
national
Fire
Protection
Association
standards.
I
We
wanted
to
bring
you
at
least
we're
at
about
30
percent
of
design
right
now
and
we're
almost
ready
to
go
out
for
bid
for
contractors
and
before
we
did
that
we
wanted
to
at
least
give
you
an
opportunity
to
see
where
we're
at
and
what
we've
come
up
with
for
that
particular
station.
This
is
a
remodel.
It's
not
a
new
build.
If
you
recall
those
of
you
that
were
here,
this
started
in
early
2021
is
when
I
initially
got
the
costs
and
the
prices
for
purchasing.
We
had
three
options.
I
We
had
option
to
person,
you
purchase
the
existing
station
and
remodel
it.
We
had
an
option
to
purchase
a
vacant
building
and
almost
completely
rebuild
that,
or
we
had
an
option
to
buy
new
property
and
purchase
and
rebuild
a
fire
station
or
build
a
brand
new
fire
station.
We
looked
at
all
of
those
costs.
It
came
before
Council.
I
The
decision
was
made
to
purchase
the
existing
building,
which
we
did
as
of
January
of
last
year
and
we've
since
hired,
and
have
an
agreement
now
with
chrome
and
Architects,
to
look
at
that
and
see
what
we
can
do
for
the
remodel
of
that.
But
again
the
numbers
we
initially
have
in
the
budget
and
are
currently
in
the
budget
were
initially
designed,
starting
in
early
2021
so
almost
two
years
ago.
So
the
goal,
as
the
council
action
says,
was
to
have
a
complete
or
an
updated
fire
station
that
meets
National.
I
Fire
Protection
standards,
like
I,
said
we're
at
30
30
design,
but
we
haven't
gone
out
for
bid
yet
and
that's
going
to
be
the
next
step,
we'll
put
out
an
RFP
for
bid
and
we'll
start
seeing
what
we
can
get
for
prices.
But
we
wanted
to
bring
this
before
you
to
first
and
so
kind
of
as
as
we
go
through,
this
in
general
will
help
me
go
through
the
design.
I
But
kind
of
a
couple
things
to
remember
is
where
we've
been
working
from
is
what
can
we
get
done
for
the
money
that
has
already
been
approved,
which
was
approved
several
years
ago
or
and
what
different
projects,
or
how
can
we
phase
this
potentially
phase
this
project?
To
make
sure
we
end
up
with
the
final
result
that
we
want
to
so
Brian
if
we
could
bring
up
the
first
overview
and
I
believe
you
have
this
in
your
packets.
What
you
see
is
and
I'll
let
Gerald
help
me
with
this
stuff,
but
what
you
see?
I
That's
the
original
site
plan
and
the
original
station.
It's
just
a
little
bit
less
than
an
acre
that
we're
putting
this
on.
But
that's
that's
what
we
were
dealt,
that's
the
hand
that
we
were
dealt.
It
was
originally
a
car
wash
and
from
a
car
wash
it
got
remodeled
into
a
fire
station
in
2005
and
then
from
that
we
bought
it
as
a
remodeled,
Car
Wash
fire
station
and
now
we're
trying
to
turn
it
into
a
real
fire
station
all
right
next
one.
I
This
is
the
original
or
current
plan
for
the
building.
This
is
the
current
floor
plan,
as
I
said,
as
we
used
it
as
we
have
to
the
North
side,
or
the
top
of
the
page
is
a
drive-through
which
used
to
be
the
best
car
wash
that's
the
where
they're
currently
storing
on
the
engine
and
then
the
brush
truck
and
the
other
trucks
are
stored,
Under
The
Canopy
to
the
South,
but
that
in
the
back
was
not
filled
in
there.
I
That's
a
drive-through
we're
going
to
end
up
needing
that
space
for
for
living
areas,
and
you
see
all
they
did
was
make
one
living
room
put
in
some
bunk
rooms
and
a
bathroom
and
still
use
that
back
area.
So
what
we've
done
and
what
Gerald
has
done
is
we've
taken
and
we've
taken
the
available
space
that
we
have.
I
V
Sure,
good
evening,
mayor
council,
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here.
This
has
been
a
project.
It's
got
a
lot
of
love
in
it.
The
city
really
has
been
waiting
for
this
to
happen
in
this
town
and
we're
excited
to
be
a
part
of
it.
So
what
we
want
to
do
is
be
as
fiscally
responsible
as
possible
and
approach
this
in
a
way
that
we
would
feel
that
if
it
was
our
money,
how
we
would
address
that
so
we
did
is
like
Jim
Ford
said
we
took
this
this
facility
and
said:
what
can
we
use?
V
What
bones
are
good?
What
can
we
use?
Let's
not
add
to
the
footprint,
with
the
exception
of
the
apparatus
Bays,
which
didn't
work
as
a
car
wash
they
held
side
by
side.
We
were
putting
all
kinds
of
carcinogens
into
the
building,
we're
exposing
firefighters
to
things
that
we
didn't
want
to
expose
them
to.
V
So
we
quickly
abandoned
that
approach
and
we
approached
that
to
be
the
living
side
and
we're
adding
new
additional
Bays
that
are
appropriately
designed
with
full
exhaust
evacuation,
NFPA
requirement
guidelines
and
then
upgraded
the
living
side
of
the
fire
station
to
meet
all
the
gender
neutral
specifics
unisex
design
facility.
So
we
can
have
male
female
Universal
shifts
coming
in.
We
don't
have
to
worry
about.
Oh,
we
can
only
have
two
females
and
four
males
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
this
is
a
totally
gender
neutral
facility.
V
I
mean
all
the
ADA
compliance
all
the
latest
technology
when
it
comes
to
carcinogen
mitigation.
Things
like
that,
so
what
we
did
is
we
took
that
area
where
the
drive-through
is
where
the
old
tunnel
was,
and
we
made
that
the
new
living
quarters
that's
the
clean
space.
That
would
be
the
areas
that
we'll
use
for
the
new
dorms.
V
We
allows
us
to
put
exterior
windows
which
we
need
for
egress
and
for
ventilation
along
the
north
side
or
on
the
west
side
of
the
building,
which
we
need
to
have
it's
easy
to
to
knock
holes
into
those
walls
versus
come
on
the
inside.
Then
we
revamp
the
inside
to
be
more
of
an
open
Concept
in
the
center
space.
We
don't
need
the
doors
and
windows
and
then
the
front
where
the
public
is.
V
So
this
basically
is
the
full
floor
plan
as
it's
developed
after
we
do
the
remodel
so
the
one
before
with
the
red
all
the
red
was
the
existing
walls
and
structure,
and
things
like
that
that
we
would
be
addressing
and
manipulating
through
in
this
within
the
station
to
make
this
plan.
This
plan
is
what
it
looks
like
when
we're
done
with
the
complete
build
out.
This
is
the
plan.
As
you
can
see,
there
are
direct
responses
to
the
apparatus
Bay.
We
were
able
to
include
the
fitness
exercise
area,
which
is
very
important
in
firefighters.
V
We
know
that
they
have
to
stay.
They
have
certain
requirements,
all
that's
written
in
the
contracts
that
they
have
to
maintain
their
physical
fitness
to
to
serve
us
when
we
need
them
to
be
there.
We've
moved
all
the
dirty
components
into
what
we
call
a
Red
Zone
in
the
dirty
zones.
We
have
transition
zones
which
are
yellow
zones,
and
then
we
have
clean
zones,
which
is
our
green
or
living
areas
which
are
carcinogen
proof.
I
And
again,
when
you
look
at
this
finalized
plan,
the
only
real
addition
for
the
major
Edition
is
the
Bays
on
the
South
Side.
The
existing
footprint
is
still
the
existing
footprint.
There's
just
a
couple
minor
little
adjustments
to
to
square
off
the
building
and
to
add
one
of
the
big
additions
that
we
had
to
do
was
a
ADA
Bathroom.
This
facility
requires
three
bathrooms,
one
of
which
has
to
be
Ada.
They
currently
don't
have
an
ADA
Bathroom
in
there.
I
So
that's
the
one
other
addition
to
this
facility
that
the
footprint
is
an
ADA
Bathroom
and
we're
putting
it
next
to
the
other
two
bathrooms
over
there.
You
can
see
it
on
the
right
side
of
the
paper,
so
we
don't
have
to
dig
up
and
get
extra
plumbing
and
extra
sewer
wall
or
sewer
taps,
and
things
like
that
it
would
put
into
where
it
already
is.
So
we
can
minimize
the
impact
on
the
structure.
V
V
Yeah,
there's
two
things
actually
additional
to
that.
That's
true!
If
anybody
comes
in,
if
there's
a
service
provider
that
comes
in
that's
Ada,
they
have
to
use
the
restroom.
We
have
to
offer
accommodations
for
everything,
but
really
the
code
says:
if
you
build
a
public
building,
it
must
be
ADA
Compliant
and
the
doj
will
sue
the
city
if
we
do
not
need
ADA
compliance.
So
really
the
only
thing
that
you're
going
to
see
in
this
facility
that
looks
88
is
a
shower
and
a
two
inch
higher
toilet
in
one
space.
F
V
I
Mayor
councilman,
Rhodes
I've
been
building
fire
stations
for
a
lot
of
years
and
I've
challenged
the
national
federal
guidelines
and
I
said
we
don't
have
any
Ada
firefighters.
Why
do
we
need
and
just
to
your
point
and
it
doesn't
matter
because
it's
a
public
facility,
so
we
lost
that
lost
that
battle
several
times
so.
I
We
had
to
add
the
88
third
bathroom,
and
it's
supposed
to
have
anyway
do
the
number
of
people
that
are
there.
There's
these
six
full-time,
eight
full-time
people.
Now,
plus
we
have
additional
Staffing
during
the
time
of
high
fire
danger.
We
put
the
additional
brush
trucks
on
so
it
requires
those
facilities
and.
I
V
So
hey
Jim
flipping
to
the
next
page.
Basically,
we
just
want
to
give
you
a
real
review.
This
is
the
elevations
as
it
sits
today.
If
you
look
at
you
know
from
Cave
Creek
Road.
What
you
basically
see
is
the
one
on
the
top,
the
other
two
sides,
if
you're
looking
for
the
north
south
or
from
the
south,
looking
north
of
the
two
in
the
middle
and
then
the
west
side
that
we
talked
about
where
all
the
new
dorms
will
be
is
the
one
on
the
bottom
there.
I
If
I
can
make
one
additional
comments
about
moving
the
bunk
rooms
into
the
area
that
we're
going
to
and
putting
those
windows
in,
there
you're
required
for
sleeping
areas
to
have
by
the
building
code
and
buy
the
fire
code.
The
next
secondary
window
secondary
exit.
The
current
facility
does
not
meet
current
current
building
code
or
current
barcode,
because.
N
I
F
V
V
We
call
addition
by
subtraction
in
some
regards,
but
the
red
is
the
existing
building
and
then
the
black
line
work
is
what
it
would
look
like
at
full.
Build
out
we're
gonna
get
a
little
fancier
here
in
a
minute,
we're
actually
going
to
show
you
a
full
3d,
rendering
of
really
what
it's
going
to
look
like,
but
we
want
to
explain
why
we
did
we
did
and
how
we
captured
this
existing
structure
at
the
most
cost,
effective
approach
that
we
could.
V
Everything
from
that
line
to
the
right
is
existing
structure,
with
the
exception
of
like
Jim,
said
here
that
little
pop
out,
where
the
sign
is
over
there,
where
the
right
car
is
parked,
and
then
we
brought
in
a
little
bit
more
of
a
front
porch
to
signify
the
public
entrance
and
then
notify.
This
is
a
public
building.
There
isn't
a
common
entry
point
that
goes
in
and
then
feeds
into
the
offices
and
the
services
that
are
right
inside
the
front
door.
V
V
That
was
currently
there
for
the
car
wash
and
then
the
next
slide
will
basically
look
at
basically
straight
on
maybe
looking
a
little
bit
South
to
Southwest
ish
and
you
can
see
the
whole
structure
and
how
we
try
to
embrace
the
existing
structure,
but
bring
a
little
bit
better
architectural
facade
and
what
we
feel
is
appropriate
for
the
area
to
represent
the
town
and
also
the
fire
department
and
for
the
many
people
that's
going
to
serve
in
the
future.
As
we
move
forward.
I
What
was
budgeted
was
a
total
of
1.45
million
dollars,
475
I'm,
sorry
and
so
out
of
that
the
initial
cost
that
we've
incurred
is
for
performance
and
The
Architects,
and
that
was
254
000.
So
in
essence,
we
have
1.2
million
dollars
left
to
rebuild
this.
That
number
came
about
after
dealing
with
the
Contracting
industry
and
the
construction
industry
was
two
initially
was
215
dollars,
a
square
foot
which
was
the
going
cost
at
the
time
before
the
kova
before
everything
else
recently.
I
What's
scary
to
us
now
is
I
think
it
was
a
surprise
or
Wickenburg
just
built
a
fire
station
and
it
cost
them
550
dollars
a
square
foot,
the
cost
of
getting
the
materials
the
cost
of
getting
the
people
has
gone
up
dramatically.
We
don't
expect
ours
to
do
that.
It's
quite
as
much,
but
we
also
don't
expect
it
to
be
two
dollars
and
fifteen
cents
a
square
foot
like
it
was
when
budgets
were
done.
So
that's
why
we're
looking
at?
Can
we
phase
this
and
what
are
our
other
options
still?
I
But
you
know
the
the
Bay
Area
I
know.
That's
an
addition.
I
know
that's
a
big
addition,
but
you
also
just
spent
almost
a
million
dollars
on
a
fire
engine
and
a
brush
truck,
so
we
can
leave
them
outside
under
canopies
or
we
can
put
them
in
and
protect
the
base
and
protect
your
Investments.
So
there's
a
lot
of
still
a
lot
of
moving
Parts.
I
Any
of
that
stuff
obviously
will
have
to
come
back
to
you,
but
our
next
step,
if,
if
you're,
okay,
with
what
we've
done
so
far,
our
next
step
will
be
to
finish
the
request
for
proposal
and
go
out
and
see
what
we
can
get
from
the
Contracting
industry.
And
you
know,
because
we're
at
30
plans
now
almost
50
percent
engineering
and
we
can
go
get
some
initial
cost
estimates.
At
this
point,
we
couldn't
do
that
before
we
had
an
initial
design
before
we
knew
what
we
were
going
to
do
for
this
facility.
D
I
It's
kind
of
what
I
told
you
last
time:
it's
never
going
to
get
any
cheaper.
It
wasn't
getting
any
cheaper
to
buy
the
buildings
it
wasn't
going
to
get
any
cheaper
to
buy.
The
engine
has
done
that.
No
just
like
I
brought
a
quick
thing.
I
know
that
I've
been
asked
about
where's
our
engine
and
when's
it
can
it
get
here
the
the
pumper
that
we
already
paid
for
I
know
we
did
that
a
little
bit
about
out
of
water,
but
the
comfort
that
we
paid
for
already.
V
I
would
agree,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
things
in
here.
We
have
water,
we
have
sewer,
we
have
gas,
we
have
plenty
of
electricity.
Those
kinds
of
things
are
very
expensive
when
you're
building
a
building
that's
already
on
site.
Our
civil
involvement
is
really
limited
on
this
project
versus
a
ground
up
or
a
virgin
site.
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
advantages
we
have.
I
I'll
make
one
additional
comment:
Mr
Barron
council
is
the
way
that
we
did.
This
initially
is
promo
and
Architects
and
Gerald
work
for
us.
They
work
for
the
town
they're,
not
working
for
the
contractors.
This
isn't
a
design
build
he's
working
for
the
town,
so
the
discussions
that
we're
having
and
what
can
we
do?
What
are
our
other
options?
How
can
we
save
money
for
the
town
he's
working
on
our
behalf,
not
on
behalf
of
the
contractors?
I
A
I
Yes,
I
came
before
you
guys.
It
was
actually
in
August,
we'd
already
done
the
budget
budgeting,
but
in
August
I
came
before
Council
and
the
three
options
were
first
was
to
purchase
this
property
and
then
remodel
it,
and
that
total
was
projected
to
be
2
million.
225
000.
we
paid
1.25
million
yeah
1.25
for
the
structure
we
bought
when
we
bought
it.
Okay,
so
we
we
figured
an
additional
100
or
1
million
dollars
to
remodel,
was
at
the
215
a
square
foot.
I
The
second
option,
which
was
buying
the
structure
across
the
street
that
was
vacant.
We
still
had
to
purchase
that
and
remodel
initial
acquisition
was
350
to
400
000
demolition
construction,
for
that
was
three
and
a
half
to
four
million
dollars.
So
right
off
the
bat
we
saved
1.8,
1.9
million
dollars
between
those
two
options
and
if
we
were
to
buy
bacon
property
and
built
from
ground
up
which
there
was
three
properties
available
on
Cave
Creek
Road
that
we
looked
at
and
priced
out
and
you
don't
need
the
details
of
that.
I
J
I
I
That's
still
up
for
discussion,
what
we
put
out
for
the
initial
design
and
and
the
we
want
them
to
be
in
that
building
as
long
as
they
can
now,
that's
going
to
turn
into
a
discussion
with
the
contractor
and
with
the
Architects,
because
if
we
keep
them
in
there,
it
might
take
nine
months
to
do
it.
If
we
move
them
out,
it
might
take
five.
Those.
D
I
I
I
V
Trucks
can
be
covered
in
dust,
the
electronics
are
covered
in
dirt
and
dust
from
the
construction.
It
we've
done
this
before
numerous
times
with
the
remodels.
Typically,
we
can
move
them
out
just
outside
of
that
property
even
on
the
same
property,
but
in
some
sort
of
a
temporary
quarters
is
always
better
for
everybody.
I
think
the
firefighters
will
be
better
suited
too,
to
be
honest
and
responses
out
of
that
facility
during
construction
would
benefit
if
we
can
find
a
way
to
make
that
work,
and
we
are
looking
at
that
option.
E
C
I
Aaron
weissner,
that's
a
great
question:
I
was
on
a
conference,
call
about
national
grants
and
grant
opportunities,
and
one
of
them
is
for
Rural
communities
less
than
people
I.
Think
it's
less
than
six
thousand,
and
one
of
them
is
money
for
fire
stations,
police
and
fire
facilities,
and
what
you
need
and
I
called
the
national
group
and
I
got
the
Arizona
director
and
Cave
Creek
does
not
qualify
because
our
our
median
income
is
way
over
what
they
consider
needy
or
a
small
community.
That.
O
I
Going
to
support
their
only
option
was
to
say
we
will
give
you
a
loan
if
you
want
to
apply
for
a
loan,
but
we
will
not
do
any
grant
money
for
you
for
this
now.
That
said,
that's
not
for
the
structure,
but
actually
last
week
and
then
again
today,
I
followed
up
with
Daisy
Mountain
and
one
of
the
things
that
should
be
in
this
building
and
I
found
out
last
week
when
I've
dealt
with
the
insurance
industry.
I
If
you
guys
remember
I'm,
dealing
with
ISO
on
grading
the
community,
one
of
the
things
that
a
fire
station's
supposed
to
have
is
secondary
power.
We
haven't
built
that
into
this
discussion.
Yet
the
only
thing
that
has
secondary
power
is
the
dispatch,
and
so
we're
going
to
get
docked
a
few
points
from
ISO,
because
our
facility
does
not
have
secondary
power.
That
said,
we're
doing
a
joint
Grant
with
the
easy
Mountain
to
put
secondary
power
in
our
station
in
one
of
their
stations,
so
we're
applying
for
a
firefighter
assistance
grant
for
that.
I
E
A
O
I
F
J
I
A
D
W
W
That
I
suggest
that
we
Engage
The
Desert
awareness
committee
to
help
us
with
re-landscaping.
What
is
going
to
be
in
the
public
view
in
front
of
the
fireplace
or
the
fireplace
the
fire
station
and
possibly
put
the
landscape
element
in
a
separate
budget,
because
it
becomes
a
community
project
and
maybe
what
they
could
do
with
that
area?
That's
going
to
be
in
front
of
the
building,
because
I'm
sure
it's
going
to
be
raised
in
various
ways.
W
The
idea
on
134
and
135
was
to
show
you
what
the
building
looked
like,
but
it
led
me
to
believe
that
we
need
help
on
figuring
out
what
cave,
creeks,
re-education
in
front
of
the
fire
and
fire
in
front
of
the
fire
station
looks
like
very
appreciative
of
the
breakup
of
the
roof
lines
that
have
been
added
to
the
front
of
the
building.
It
really
looks
good
I
think
it's
really
something
to
be
proud
of,
and
so
I'm
glad
to
be
in
support
of
this.
Thank
you.
I
Mr
Smyrna
Council,
we
have
looked
at
this
site
plan
a
lot,
as
you
can
tell
we've
done
a
lot
of
discussions.
The
area
that's
Mr
Phelps
was
talking
about
is
on
the
southwest
corner
and,
as
you
mentioned,
there's
a
a
very
impacted
large
Ironwood
there
and
there's
also
a
saguaro
that
is
looks
like
it's
in
the
process
of
dying.
We
would
need
that
area
for
the
turning
radius
for
the
trucks
to
get
in.
So
we
would
have
to
redo
that
portion.
I
V
If
I
may
add
mayor
council,
the
the
rendering
is
correct,
it's
very
good
eye.
Kenai
on
your
part,
the
existing
vegetation
is
out
there
in
the
existing
landscape
area.
We
didn't
plan
to
touch
other
than
just
a
little
bit
of
rework
of
the
carb
in
the
parking
lot,
but
if
we
show
that
on
the
rendering
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
see
the
building,
so
we
basically
taken
most
of
that
out,
but
there
was
never
intent
to
clear
that
front
area.
V
Just
for
clarity,
it's
more
of
the
artistic
rendering
to
show
you
the
building,
but
the
landscape
would
actually
come
back
through
with
the
full
design.
As
far
as
embracing
you
know,
some
other
commission,
or
some
some
donations
for
for
art
or
landscape.
We
love
that
we
Embrace
that
all
the
time
we
work
with
that
with
our
design
team
and
whatever
the
other
agency
is
to
integrate
that
in
it
they
want,
to.
You
know,
volunteer
trees
or
donate
trees.