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From YouTube: 21 August 2023 Regular Cave Creek Town Council meeting
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Public
announcements,
I
I,
have
none,
but
are
anyone
else?
Have
a
public
announcement
they'd
like
to
make
I
have
just
one,
and
that
is
we
we
continued
with
the
local
line.
I
can
do
it.
We
continued
with
the
local
landmarks
over
the
past
week
and
a
half
and
I
appreciate
each
of
the
council,
people
who
were
in
attendance
to
those
places
the
businesses
love
that
action.
So
thank
you.
You're.
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But
it's
back
and
I
don't
want
it.
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request
to
have
issues
like
the
helicopter
landing
site,
have
a
public
notice
type
hearing
prior
to
the
decision
to
construct
I.
Don't
think,
there's
any
point
in
doing
a
after
the
fact
hearing
on
that
issue,
but
I
think
it
was
a
disservice
to
the
to
the
town
citizens
to
go,
build
something
and
then
say:
let's
celebrate,
we
got
something
done
I'm,
not
in
opposition
to
that
Landing
site
I
am
in
opposition
to
building
it
without
really
in
public
notice.
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So
we
can
go
about
those
repairs
without
with
no
disruption
of
our
water
service,
but
but
they
really
came
through
and
it
really
was
evident
that
everyone
listened
and
and
did
their
fair
share
this
to
save
and
conserve
water
at
the
time.
We
really
appreciate
that
I'd
also
like
to
thank
Sean
and
his
staff
for
really
working
through
in
difficult
conditions,
to
conduct
the
repair
and
manage
the
system
as
well
as
could
be
expected
during
that
emergency.
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Of
course,
the
maintenance
utility
staff
worked
hard
to
do
the
repair
and
we're
working
under
extreme
heat
conditions,
and-
and
that
was
difficult,
but
it
really
took
a
full
team
of
the
utility
workers
and
Public
Works
a
whole
group
to
really
pull
this
off
and
and
have
it
as
smooth
as
as
possible.
Under
the
circumstances.
Our
utility
distribution
staff
were
out
monitored,
monitoring,
Desert
Hills
manually,
while
the
intertie
was
temporarily
closed.
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You
actually
that
is
for
tonight
on
the
consent
agenda
item.
One
is
approval
of
the
June
20th
2023
Town
Council
and
Planning
Commission
joint
work
session
minutes.
Number
two
is
approval
of
the
July
17
2023
regular
council
meeting
minutes.
Number
three
is
approval
of
007
Beer
and
Wine
Bar
liquor
license
for
happy
B
Meadery
LLC,
as
requested
by
Richard
robart
owner
agent.
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All
those
in
favor
aye
opposed
you
guys
have
it.
Consent
agenda
is
approved
next
under
General
agenda
items.
Council
discussion,
approval
to
accept
the
proposal
and
authorize
will
Dan
Financial
Services
to
develop
a
town
of
Cave
Creek,
cost
allocation
plan
cap
and
conduct
a
user
fee
study
for
an
amount
up
to
twenty
six
thousand
seven
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
presented
by
the
town
manager.
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Asking
for
them
for
years,
mayor
and
members
of
council,
the
overall
objective
of
this
project
is
to
create
a
well-documented,
transparent
cost
of
service
analysis
and
updated
schedule
of
fees
for
the
town
development
related
services,
such
as
building
permits,
land
reviews,
zoning
fees,
licenses,
engineering
fees,
Etc
that
account
for
the
true
costs
of
providing
these
services,
including
an
analytically,
developed
and
defensible
methodology
for
applying
overhead
rates.
The
study
does
not
include
any
development
impact
fees,
and
the
town
has
has
never
actually
had
this
type
of
study
done.
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So
we
reached
out
to
other
communities
looking
to
see
who
had
done
that
and
Wilden
has
dumped
some
recently
in
Arizona
and
you're
familiar
with
Wilton,
because
Kevin
Burnett
worked
on
our
utility
rates
and
capacity
fees.
This
is
another
office
out
of
California
and
Tony.
Thrasher
is
is
available
on
Zoom
that
he'll
be
able
to
answer
any
questions.
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If
you
have
any,
it's
really
critical
for
the
town
to
ensure
that
its
user
fees
for
selected
Services
reflect
our
current
practices,
account
for
true
cost
of
providing
Services
incorporate
provision
of
overhead
rates
and
costs
related
to
indirect
support
and
ensure
maximum
appropriate
cost
recovery,
so
that
the
revenues
generated
by
fees
cover
the
cost
of
services
to
the
greatest
extent
possible.
It's
not
going
to
be
necessarily
a
hundred
percent,
but
we
we
want
to
to
cover
whatever
we
we
can
legally.
In
order
to
increase
our
fees.
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The
town
must
conduct
a
study,
it's
required
by
Arizona
State
statutes.
The
proposed
fees
must
be
posted
publicly
for
a
period
of
time
prior
to
Town
Council,
adopting
any
new
fees
just
like
we
did
for
the
utility
rates
and
fees
and
capacity
fees,
Town
staff
and,
ultimately,
the
council
need
a
clear
understanding
of
Standards
service
levels
and
Associated
costs.
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So
we
are
recommending
that
the
council
accept
the
proposal
and
authorize
the
expenditure
of
twenty
six
thousand
seven
hundred
fifty
dollars
to
Wild
and
financial
services
to
develop
a
town
of
Cape
Creek,
cost
allocation
plan
and
conduct
a
user
fee
study.
What
this
includes
is
that
they
will
develop
a
cap
model
and
that
we
always
refer
to
CPA
central
Arizona
project.
In
this
case
it's
Cave
Creek
cost
allocation
plan
and
there
will
be
a
model
and
methodology.
So
in
the
future
we'll
be
able
to.
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Yes,
so
thank
you,
city
manager,
really,
the
cost
of
the
study
itself
can
be
recovered
through
the
fees,
but,
as
you
mentioned,
it's
the
cost
of
the
study
does
definitely
pale
in
comparison,
even
if
cities
are
doing
these
every
few
years,
but
for
City
sorry
I
keep
saying
that
for
a
town
that
hasn't
done
this
ever
then
that
typically
indicates
that
you
are
likely
to
see
more
Revenue
opportunities
out
of
it.
Now
it
is
true.
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The
pure
goal
of
the
study
is
to
identify
what
the
reasonable
full
cost
is
of
providing
Services.
Once
you
know
what
those
full
costs
are,
then
it
becomes
a
policy
decision
on
where
to
set
those
fees.
Now,
if
you're
looking
at
bit
large
increases
we're
likely
to
recommend
staging
in
increases
or
having
a
plan
for
that
right,
so
that
you
can
kind
of
manage
that
policy
moving
forward
into
the
future,
but
throughout
the
process
we're
going
to
work
with
staff
on
every
step
of
it.
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So
they
have
ownership
of
the
materials,
the
models,
any
inputs
so
that
it
can
be
updated
as
regular
as
you'd
like
to
cost
allocation
plan.
It
is
representing
the
central
service
support
of
the
city,
there's
town
to
the
Departments
and
funds
of
the
town,
so
that
you
know
kind
of
exactly
what
overhead
amount
should
go
to
those
departments
and
funds,
the
whole
idea
being
that
if
you
have
development
or
if
you
have
specific
cost
recovery
goals
in
mind,
then
you
can
Target
cost
recovery
through
those
goals.
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So
if
you
want
to
say
developers
to
pay
their
fair
share,
then
the
idea
is
that
you
can
then
identify
what
their
full
cost
is
and
then
in
areas
where
you
might
have
subsidy
levels,
typically
say
communities
or
sorry,
Community,
Services,
Parks
and
Recreation,
which
always
have
subsidies,
and
we
would
never
recommend
they're
not
to
be
some
level
of
subsidy
in
those.
Then
you
can
show
what
those
subsidy
levels
are
and
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
about
kind
of
the
process,
study
and
interaction,
the
models
and
anything.
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My
interest
in
this
comes
about
with
some
particular
operations
of
the
town.
That
I
think
have
been
extraordinarily
costly
in
terms
of
Staff
time,
which
means
that
someone
else's
town
is
subsidizing
that
work
when,
when
we
get
a
project
in
that
that
runs
over
and
takes
a
lot
of
Staff
time.
That
means
the
projects
that
that
aren't
doing
that
are
subsidizing
that
and
we
want
to
be
fair
to
everyone
in
this
entire
process.
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I
also
noticed
that
that
the
City
of
Phoenix
charges
by
the
hour,
if
if
someone
is
using
excessive
amount
of
time,
given
a
certain
amount
under
the
fee
and
then
it
if
it
keeps
continuing
and
if
everybody
thinks
they
can
probably
think
of
some
projects
in
town
we've
had
that
have
that
issue,
then
they
charge
by
the
hour.
Just
like
you
do
at
a
a
repair
shop
and
my
question
here
is
what
about
overhead
vacation
time
training.
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During
the
study,
we
calculate
a
fully
burden,
hourly
rate,
so
that
incorporating
that
indirect
overhead
for
through
Central
Services,
as
well
as
a
productive
hour
account.
So
that's
the
amount
of
time
they're
actually
working
as
well
as
take
into
account
that
over
time,
vacation
holiday
pays
sick
pay
as
well
as
some
level
of
administrative
time.
So
we
look
at
developing
a
productive
hour,
total
so
they're
recovering
their
costs
through
their
direct
services.
So
I
think
2080
workable
hours
in
the
year
down
to
something
more
typical
of
around
1650
is
a
typical
productive
hour
amount.
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But
the
old-fashioned
way
of
doing
the
study
was
extremely
time
consuming
and
that's
why
we
were
pleased
talking
to
Wilden
how
they've
managed
to
develop
a
process
that
has
much
less
impact
on
staff
time
coming
up
with
tying
everything
to
us.
I
mean
it's.
It
was
literally
timing
every
page
you
do
for
an
engineer,
review
or
plan
review
and
you
know
clicking
it
and
what
it
was
really
kind
of
an
archaic
way
of
doing
that
and
and
they've
I,
don't
know
what
you
did,
but
you've
you've
been
able
to
consolidate
the
process.
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I
could
speak
to
that
a
bit
right,
so
a
Time
emotions
earlier,
where
you
have
someone
over
your
shoulder
monitoring
everything
you
do
in
a
given
year.
The
issue
is
that
for
every
service
is
being
provided,
it's
going
to
change
and
how
much
time
it
takes
for
every
application,
so
through
development
of
a
reasonable
time
estimate
of
the
direct
staff
involved,
as
well
as
indirect
staff
being
part
of
the
overhead.
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For
that
direct
staff,
you
can
get
to
a
much
more
efficient
way
of
calculating
your
fees
and
services
and
not
overburdened
staff,
so
I
think
of
it
as
kind
of
a
reasonable
time
estimate
to
represent
each
fee.
You
have
listed
on
your
schedule.
It's
a
lot
easier
to
update
as
well.
So
when
you
have
say,
policy
changes
or
building
code
changes
things
of
that
sort,
then
that
can
be
built
into
those
reasonable
time.
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Estimates
for
direct
staff
as
opposed
to
having
to
go
back
through
and
re-engineer
what
everyone's
kind
of
doing
from
the
start,
the
type
of
methodology
we
use.
I
mentioned
a
few
that
we've
done
kind
of
recently
in
Arizona
I.
Do
these
studies
in
California,
Colorado,
Texas,
Florida
and
a
couple
other
states
as
well
I,
can't
think
of
the
top
of
my
head,
but
we
do
a
couple
dozen
of
these
every
year
that
I
work
on
directly.
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So
for
the
utility
rates,
we're
not
touching
those,
these
are
direct
operational
costs,
so
single
time
provided
Services
by
staff.
It's
just
representing
that
operational
cost
utility
rates
impact
fees,
those
are
recovering,
other
sorts
of
costs
or
other
types
of
costs.
They
have
their
own
restrictions
regulations
and
so
we're
not
going
to
touch
those
those
have
been
done.
You
already
have
a
plan
for
those
ones.
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Good
evening,
mayor
and
members
of
council,
as
was
recognized,
Chief
Brian
Tobin's
with
me
again
on
the
quarterly
report-
and
we
know
you
have
a
big
agenda
tonight,
so
we'll
go
through
this
kind
of
quickly.
For
you,
we
do
have
a
very
short
PowerPoint.
That
kind
of
hits
all
the
highlights
of
the
last
quarter,
and
just
so
that
you're
aware
again,
this
is
our
first
full.
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A
fiscal
report
and
I'll
explain
that
a
little
more
at
the
end.
But
this
is
the
first
full
fiscal
year
that
we've
had
with
the
fire.
The
initial
startup
was
a
half
a
year.
Then
we
had
the
first
full
fiscal
year
from
July
1st
of
last
year
to
June
30th
of
this
year,
and
this
is
the
fourth
quarter
report
in
line
with
the
town's
schedule,
so
we'll
go
through
the
the
PowerPoint
real
quick
here.
A
If
I
can
make
this
work
correctly
here
there
we
go
first
up
is
your
your
calls
and
as
we
usually
do
it,
we
have
it
by
month,
April
May
June,
and
we
have
it
broke
out
by
different
types
of
calls:
medical
fire,
special
services
and
special
operations,
and
you
can
see
the
totals
there
again.
This
is
the
Rhine
total
of
up
to
year
to
date,
and
then,
underneath
that
is
the
training
ours.
A
As
you
know,
we
work
with
Daisy
Mountain,
with
our
IGA
and
they're
required
to
conduct
all
the
training
and
certifications
of
the
firefighters,
and
so
we
track
the
training
hours
on
the
annual
basis,
and
that's
that's
the
chart
underneath
is
all
the
training
and
the
types
of
different
training
that
they
get
command,
training
and
Engineering
or
drivers,
training
and
all
that
type
of
things.
The
next
slide
is
a
breakdown
both
of
quarterly
and
of
the
fiscal
year
incidents,
and
these
are
stay
pretty
consistent.
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We
run
at
about
75
percent
of
our
requests
for
service
in
town
our
result
of
emergency
medical
costs.
That's
our
number
one
call.
We
have
had
quite
a
few
Special
Operations
calls
this
year
with,
which
is
the
the
trail
rescues
and
gas
leaks
and
that
type
of
stuff,
but
still
the
vast
majority
of
our
causes,
emergency
medical
and
that
is
both
quarterly
and
annually,
and
so
I
put
both
of
those
charts
in
the
in
the
PowerPoint
presentation.
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For
you,
the
fourth
quarter,
no
noteworthy
items
that
we
put
in
here
again,
it's
broke
out
by
month.
What
happens
in
the
different
months
again
the
first
of
April.
If
you
recall
the
part
of
the
big
event
which
we
talked
about
last
time,
was
the
Bike
Week
impacts.
The
town
worked
very
closely
with
the
sheriff's
department
and
Daisy
Mountain
and
the
Marshall's
office
to
handle
that
and
I
thought.
A
It
went
very
well
again
this
year,
in
spite
of
the
high
number
of
motorcycles
that
we
had
in
town,
we
did
host
our
second.
We
do
it
twice
a
year,
our
second
Community
brush
drop-off
for
2023
in
this
quarter
and
that's
been
very,
very
popular
with
our
residents.
We've
done
six
total
events
and
total
tons.
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We've
had
121
tons
of
materials
dropped
off
to
us,
and
we've
had
over
540
residents
make
trips
to
bring
us
that
to
reduce
the
fuel
loads
on
their
properties,
which
I
think
has
had
a
tremendous
impact
and
a
tremendous
positive
impact
on
the
town
and
what
we've
done
with
the
with
the
Wildland
stuff
for
the
last
two
years.
So
it's
been
very
popular
and
very,
very
well
received
by
the
community.
A
We
did
host
the
Desert
Foothills
Leadership
Academy
at
the
station,
we'll
see
if
we
can
do
it
next
time.
If
we're
me,
building
the
station
or
not
that'll
be
a
different
discussion,
but
this
is
the
third
time
I
believe
we've
done
it
I
believe
Chief
Tobin
was
actually
a
student.
This
time
weren't
you
indeed,
so
we
taught
him
a
little
bit
about
fire
service
and
some
other
stuff.
M
A
But
that's
that's
going
very
well
in
the
the
leadership
academy
really
enjoys
coming
and
going
over
the
safety
day
with
us
in
may
we
increased
the
Staffing
for
the
brush
truck
as
you're.
Well
aware.
That's
been
budgeted
every
year
for
the
upcoming
Wildland
season.
We
did
approve
an
RFQ
for
fire
station
pre-construction
and
we've
been
working
with
those
folks
and
I'll,
come
back
to
you
shortly
with
some
additional
numbers
and
additional
contracts
for
that
we
did
have
the
opportunity
to
do
some
live
fire
ground
training
at
the
Tumbleweed
hotel.
A
When
that
demolition
permit
came
up,
we
spoke
with
the
owners
and
that
type
of
training
is
invaluable.
We
just
don't
get
that
type
of
training
on
existing
structures.
We
didn't
burn
it.
Okay,
in
case
anybody's,
worried
about
that.
We
did
not
burn
it,
but
we
are
able
to
put
up
ladders.
We
are
able
to
do
some
ventilation,
we
are
do
some
forcible
entry,
and
so
it's
a
tremendous
opportunity
that
that
we
got
in
May
and
then
I
worked
with
the
MCSO
and
the
DPS
helicopter
Pilots
to
evaluate
emergency
landing
sites.
A
We
were
getting
complaints
from
the
community
about
Landing
emergency
helicopter
Landings
throughout
the
community,
and
so
we
took
it
upon.
If
you
want
to
talk
to
somebody
about
that,
that's
me.
We
took
it
upon
ourselves
to
find
out
what
our
other
options
were
started
with
the
pilots,
because
in
all
honesty,
the
pilots
are
in
charge
of
those
aircraft.
We
can
make
recommendations,
but
if
they
decide
to
land
or
not
land,
it's
up
to
them.
As
an
example,
we
did
have
a
rescue.
They
were
probably
the
last
one
that
occurred.
A
They
were
asked
if
they
wanted
to
land
in
the
parking
lot
at
Spur
cross.
There
were
too
many
cars
and
too
many
obstacles
and
the
pilots
did
not
do
that,
which
is
why
we
moved
to
landing
on
spur
Crossroad
itself.
But
again,
that's
the
Pilot's
final
decision
on
that.
So
we
met
with
them
to
look
at
other
options
and
other
what
we
could
do
with
that
and
then
in
June
we
did
complete
the
firehouse
Grant
with
the
new
UTV
and
that
money
has
been
spent.
A
A
Then
we
did
establish
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
emergency
helicopter
landing
site
for
spur
across
emergencies.
Again
that
didn't
come
to
you
first,
that's.
That
would
be
my
fault,
but
in
reality
the
cost
was
all
internal.
We
had
the
materials
we
had
the
approval
from
the
helicopter
Pilots
we
owned
the
property.
A
We
met
all
FAA
requirements
prior
to
and
and
doing
the
site,
and
it's
it's
turned
out
to
work
out
very
well
for
us
we're
not
impacting
the
residents
of
the
community
with
emergency
Landings
all
throughout
the
community,
especially
for
The
Preserve
and
in
the
park
up
north.
They
can
pick
up
and
land
and
meet
the
chief
Tillman's,
Medics
and
and
firefighters
at
that
site,
without
impacting
anybody
else
and
prior
to
doing
that.
A
We
did
select
FCI
contractor
Constructors
for
our
pre-construction
services
and
we
will
use
them.
If
we
can
come
to
an
agreement
on
price,
we
would
use
them
for
the
construction
of
the
station.
We
did
support
the
Walmart
grand
reopening,
and
that
was
a
pretty
warm
day,
which
is
why
we
decided
to
push
off
the
the
firehouse
event
until
it
cools
off
just
a
little
bit.
That
was
a
warm
day
and
then
I'll.
A
E
You
Jim
mayor
and
members
of
the
council,
yes,
Daisy
Mountain
is
proud
to
announce
that
we
received
about
a
hundred
and
thirty
two
thousand
dollars
from
the
State
Department
of
Homeland
Security,
which
are
federal
dollars,
a
Channel
Through,
the
state
Homeland
Security
department
for
their
distribution.
Let
me
explain
to
you
a
little
bit
where
this
money
comes
from.
The
Phoenix
area
is
considered
one
of
the
cities
in
the
United
States
that
is
covered
under
additional
federal
dollars
for
What's
called
the
urban
area
strategic
initiative.
It's
a
separate
set
of
dollars.
E
It
comes
to
only
a
select
number
of
cities
that
are
determined
to
be
high
risk
cities
and
high-risk
places.
Daisy
Mountain
had
already
been
awarded
and
is
now
in
a
maintenance
situation
with
the
state
for
our
HazMat
team.
That's
also
funded
from
State
Homeland
Security
dollars.
That
also
came
through
UIC.
We
applied
for
an
additional
response
need
in
this
area,
which
is
technical,
Rescue
Training
and
because
we
had
already
been
a
a
good
partner
with
the
state
as
our
in
our
hazardous
materials
team,
and
there
was
a
certainly
a
need.
E
The
state
authorized
132
thousand
dollars
for
Daisy
Mountain
to
train,
equip
and
cover
the
backfill
to
send
12
of
our
members
to
technical
Rescue
Training,
so
they
will
then
be
on
the
same
unit
that
provides
the
Hazardous
Materials
response.
That's
a
component
of
the
uwasi
grant
is,
what's
called
a
rapid
response
team,
so
this
would
be
a
Statewide
resource.
E
State
dollars
go
to
local
communities
to
fund
these
types
of
resources
that
then
can
be
used
throughout
the
state
for
emergencies,
whether
they
happen
in
the
area
or
are
called
for
by
the
state
to
respond
outside
of
the
area.
Previous
to
this,
there
were
eight
of
those
three
in
Phoenix
two
in
Mesa,
one
in
Tempe,
one
in
Glendale.
E
So
we
will
now
be
an
additional
one.
In
that
system,
uwasi
teams
work
very
closely
with
our
law
enforcement
Partners.
There's
a
law
enforcement
component
to
every
rapid
response
team.
We
kind
of
go
together,
Maricopa,
County,
Sheriff's
Office
will
be
our
partner
and
our
rapid
response
team,
which
we've
already
had
a
lot
of
experience
and
great
working
relationships
with
our
friends
over
at
MCSO.
So
we're
proud
to
announce
that
we
will
begin
sending
our
folks
through
that
training.
E
We
will
begin
acquiring
the
cash
c,
a
c-h-e
cache
of
equipment
that
comes
to
the
unit
to
to
be
put
on
the
apparatus
to
respond
to
these
types
of
incidents
in
the
north
part
of
the
valley.
I
think
we
had
previously
reported
to
you
that
the
one
of
the
Phoenix
rapid
response
teams
used
to
be
at
Station
72
on
Cave
Creek
Road,
just
south
of
the
Carefree
Highway.
A
E
Rescues
water
rescues-
indeed,
yes,
so
our
members
will
be
more
trained
than
they
were
after
the
before
the
previous
water
rescue
here
in
in
Cave
Creek.
Of
course,
we
resolved
that
with
our
great
equipment
that
we
had,
but
we
certainly
would
have
additional
expertise
and
equipment
to
handle
that
yes,
so
we're
proud
of
it.
It's
the
the
reason
we
feel
that
we
were
awarded
was
because
we're
good
partners,
but
the
state
we've
shown
our
experience
with
managing
the
other
grants
on
our
Hazmat
components.
E
A
So,
let's,
as
we
have
spoken
before,
this
would
be
the
third
grant
that
cave
Creeks
actually
benefiting
from
on
the
Fireside
initial
was
from
the
Department
of
Highway,
which
got
the
initial
science
for
two
years
ago
for
the
motorcycles,
then
of
course
the
firehouse
Grant.
Now
this
Grant
and
so
we're
going
to
continue
pursuing
those
as
a
partnership
as
we
go
forward
with
the
state
and
federal
grants.
A
The
next
slide
is
just
Mary,
you
keep
asking
for
data
and
you
want
data.
So
what
I
put
up
here
was
three
different
ways
to
look
at
an
annual
response
for
the
fire
department.
So
the
first
one
was
the
rural
metro
year
that
I
got
from
them
as
I
first
got
out
here.
They
wouldn't
give
us
any
additional
stuff
after
that,
but
I
was
able
to
get
one
full
year
from
October
1st
to
September
30th.
That's
the
number
of
calls
and
types
of
calls
that
they
ran
in
Cave
Creek.
A
A
lot
of
those
were
in
the
county
areas
surrounding
Cave
Creek,
but
they
kind
of
just
Cave
Creek
calls
that's
why
that
number's
a
little
bit
higher
on
173
times
they
responded
out
of
Cave
Creek.
The
calls
that
were
just
in
the
adjoining
areas.
The
first
year
for
Cave
Creek
was
a
calendar
year.
Remember
we
started
on
January
3rd
and
we
did
the
first
full
year
from
January
3rd
to
December
31st
of
22..
A
We
went
and
assisted
our
other
jurisdictions,
Phoenix
and
Scottsdale
and
Daisy,
and
then
the
last
report
is,
which
is
how
you'll
see
them
mostly
from
now
on,
is
the
fiscal
year
to
to
line
up
with
the
town's
fiscal
year,
and
this
most
recent
one
was
July
1st
of
22
to
June
30th
of
23
of
this
year
and
that's
the
number
of
calls
again
broken
down
by
type
medical
fire
service
calls.
And
again
this
time
we
went
out
a
little
bit
more
58
times.
A
We
responded
to
assist
our
partners,
but
I
I
didn't
put
on
this.
Our
partners
came
into
us
at
least
about
two
and
a
half
times
more
than
what
we
went
out.
So
that's
the
when
you
see
the
monthly
reports
or
the
quarterly
report.
When
you
look
at
it
you'll
see,
you
know
a
different
number
in
there
I
think
the
number
was
1600
times
they
came
into
US
136
times
a
month.
We
had
additional
resources,
come
to
assist
Cape
Creek
units.
A
So
that's
about
three
times
as
many
times
coming
in
as
going
out
so
that
I
know
that's
a
question
that
a
lot
of
people
ask
or
you
get
excellence
in
a
while
and
then
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
anything.
I
spoke
about
tonight
or
anything
that's
been
brought
up
and
that's
our
first
full
fiscal
year
report.
We
we
had
a
meeting
after
Lahaina
issue.
A
We
had
one
truck
with
three
people
on
it
back
in
the
old
days,
and
would
you
just
go
over
that
the
man,
equipment
and
management
and
all
the
response
to
the
first
call
for
a
brush
fire
in
Cave,
Creek
yeah
and
the
chief
can
help
me
with
this.
A
little
I
didn't
bring.
That
actual
document
with
me
could
I
apologize
the
first
during
Fire
season,
which
is
why
we
staff
up.
You
have
your
brush
truck
and
you
have
your
engine
and
you
have
your
tankers
and
stuff
during
the
first
call.
A
That's
a
Wildland
Urban
interface
Community,
which
we've
talked
about
quite
a
bit
before
Council
here,
and
so
that's
dispatched
immediately,
and
the
goal
is
to
get
the
resources
there
as
fast
as
possible
and
handle
it
as
fast
as
possible
and
a
kind
of
a
recent
example
of
that
wasn't
in
Cave
Creek.
But
it
was
the
diamond
fire
that
just
occurred
off
the
dynamite
road.
That
was
a
fire
that
started
in
Scottsdale
was
an
initial
Wildland,
Urban
interface
fired.
A
They
had
about
200
homes
that
were
threatened
on
that
one,
but
because
of
the
resources
they
went,
they
didn't
lose
any
structures.
They
didn't
lose
anything
like
that.
They
lost
I'm
about
1800
Acres,
but
that
was
about
that
was
about
it.
It
was
in
The,
Preserve
area
and
so
you're
going
to
get
that
response.
Every
summer,
When
The
Fire
season
is
hot
and
the
fire
Danger's
high
and
chief.
You
can
find
that
if
you.
E
We
do
the
same
thing
in
other
stations
and
throughout
the
days
you
Mountain
Fire
District,
and
it's
for
that
reason
that
our
our
experience
throughout
the
years
has
shown
that
the
quicker
you
can
get
there
with
the
most
amount
of
resources
and
people
that
the
your
chances
of
suppressing
that
fire
are.
You
know
exponentially
in
your
favor,
so
during
this
period
of
time
the
whole
town
of
Cave
Creek
and
our
automatic
Aid
System
and
our
dispatch
system
is
considered
Wildland,
Urban
interface,
the
entire
town.
E
A
I've
had
a
lot
of
people
ask.
They
said.
Why
is
that
so
important?
Well
again,
we
go
back
to
the
basic
environment.
We
are
a
desert.
We
will
have
a
fire
season
every
single
year.
What
we
can
do
up
front
or
ahead
of
it,
helps
dramatically
to
the
responders
and
to
the
residents,
and
so
we
just
got
to
plan
for
it.
D
Events
at
Spur
cross,
where
unfortunately
I
think
we've
lost
two
people
who
died
up
at
Spur
cross,
show
the
importance
of
the
helipad
landing
at
that
particular
site.
It's
not
near
homes,
but
it
seems
to
be
near
where
it's
ND
needed.
How
is
the
response
to
and
and
the
use
of,
helipad
or
use
of
helicopters
on
the
west
side?
You
know
Cave
Creek,.
A
On
the
west
side,
so
far,
that
I
know
they've
landed
in
the
streets
and
it's
important
to
understand
that
an
emergency
helicopter
landing
and
takeoff
for
Medical
Response
is
not
controlled
by
the
FAA.
It's
not
controlled
by
anybody,
except
for
the
local
fire
service
and
the
local
Pilots.
They
can
land
wherever
they
want
and
whoever
it
makes
the
most
sense.
And
so
what
we
try
to
do
is
get
them
a
consistent
spot
with
spur
Crush
just
because
of
the
number
of
times
we've
gone
out
there.
A
But
on
the
west
side
we
don't
have
an
identified
helicopter
landing
spot
yet,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we're
not
going
to
take
a
look
at
that
in
the
future
work
with
the
parks
which
we
worked
with
RJ
and
those
folks
that
had
a
time
to
make
sure
that
they
understood
it.
But
we
might
be
doing
something
on
the
West
Side
they're
they're,
talking
about
expanding
I
just
had
a
meeting
a
little
bit
last
month,
they're
talking
about
expanding
their
trail
system
and
Trail
heads,
and
so
that
might
be
an
opportunity
to
identify
a
spot.
A
It
makes
it
a
whole
lot
easier
on
the
helicopters
and
responding
Crews.
Everybody
knows
where
they're
going
it's
similar
to
what
they've
done
with
Phoenix
and
Echo,
Mountain
and
Camelback.
You
know
Phoenix
fire
and
their
pilots
put
Landing
spots
at
certain
spots
around
the
the
mountains
down
there
in
the
middle
of
Paradise
Valley.
Just
for
that
very
reason,
as
opposed
to
what
can
is
the
best
spot
to
pick
up
somebody
or
is
makes
it
most
effective,
so
it's
similar
to
what
they
did
and
we
talked
to
them
ahead
of
time.
Also.
E
Thank
you,
mayor,
councilman
I
can
further
go
into
that
Jim,
doesn't
mind.
No
so
Daisy
Mountain
Fire
District
has
a
fire
station
at
7th,
Street
and
circle,
Mountain
that
that
fire
station
has
a
large
lot
where
so
we
are
able
to
land
helicopters
at
that
location.
So,
even
though
we
had
some
incidents
in
spur
cross,
both
before
and
after
I
would
say,
The
Landing,
Pad
in
spurt
cross,
some
of
our
Rescuers
were
picked
up
and
moved
from
that
location.
E
So
once
you
have
a
helicopter
flying
in
the
air,
your
your
Landing
Zone
really
is
relative
to
where
the
emergency
takes
place
because
they're
flying
in
the
air
and
it
takes
minutes
to
get
to
where
they're
going.
So
it's
a
combination
of
what
we
needed
in
the
spur
cross
area,
because
we
have
to
lift
people
from
this
location
and
there's
another
possibility
to
use
the
location
over
at
7th
Street
and
circle
Mountain.
So
we
that's
all
dependent,
as
Jim
said
on
on
Pilots
the
type
of
incident
that
we're
operating
on
how
many
people
were
moving.
E
D
Yeah
I
I
would
say
on
I
had
an
experience
of
being
with
a
hike
on
spur
across
and
poor
fella
had
a
heart
attack
and
the
helicopter
had
to
come
in.
It
was
difficult
for
them
to
land,
but
indeed
they
did
and
they
got
that
individual
into
the
helicopter
very
quickly.
But
our
experience
with
spur
crosses.
There
have
been
a
number
of
emergencies,
and
you
know
people
going
out
in
the
summer
and
not
prepared
for
the
effects
of
heat
yeah.
E
And
again,
hats
off
to
Maricopa
County
Sheriff's
Office,
who
generally
in
most
cases,
is
the
helicopter
of
that
responds
first,
because
this
is
their
response
area.
They
have
highly
trained
highly
skilled
Pilots
to
do
a
lot
of
things.
Sometimes
they
bring
those
people
to
us
right
because
they
get
here
faster
and
they're
flying
closer,
so
we
try
and
find
out
what
the
best
place
for
them
to
land
is
to
get
to
The,
Rescuers
and
the
ambulances,
and
that's
all
worked
out
with
with
with
the
Maricopa
County,
Sheriff's,
Office
and
their
pilots.
L
A
D
A
G
G
N
N
Good
thing
is
I'm,
going
back
to
Aviation,
so
a
lot
of
what
you
were
discussing
earlier,
I'm,
very
familiar
with
this
to
my
left-
is
a
lieutenant
Jesus
and
he's
been
here
for
a
significant
amount
of
time
he's
very
familiar
with
the
district
and
the
the
demands
of
of
that
are
involved.
With
with
this
particular
post,
the
new
captain
will
be
coming
will
be
Dave
Letourneau
and
his
first
day
will
be
the
28th.
A
M
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
take
this
moment
and
thank
you
all
for
serving
and
introduce
myself.
Everyone
knows
me
as
Lieutenant
Jesus
had
us,
but
I'll
be
cordial
and
tell
you
what
my
actual
nickname
is
and
what
everybody
actually
knows
me,
as
is
chewy
yeah.
Okay.
So
if
you
ever
ask
Lieutenant
head
is
nobody
to
know
who
you're
talking
about?
M
But
if
you
ask
for
Chewie,
everyone
knows
exactly
who
it
is
I've
been
at
the
district
for
quite
a
while
now
and
one
of
the
last
remaining,
as
you
know,
lieutenant
baranos
and
Captain
brandemar,
recently
retired,
and
have
continued
on
to
separate
careers
and
I'm
sure
that
they
were
just
as
sad
to
leave.
Cave
Creek
as
I
know,
Lieutenant
Barron
spent
a
lot
of
time
serving
The
District,
4
area.
So
on
his
behalf,
send
you
all
a
good
thank
you
because
I
know
he
has
very
fond
memories
of
that.
M
A
N
C
L
You
mayor
I,
was
trying
to
unmute,
but
I
couldn't
get
my
thumb
on
there,
quick
enough
yeah,
the
the
air,
the
air
group
from
MCSO
is
just
absolutely
Stellar
one
night,
some
ding
dong
drove
a
pickup
truck
in
the
wash
and
and
Adam
Stein
and
I
contacted
them,
and,
and
they
came
with
a
helicopter
and
picked
this
idiot
off
the
off
the
roof
of
his
pickup
truck
in
in
the
moving
water,
and
it's
impressive
how
and
it
was
Pitch
Black
middle
of
the
night
raining
like
crazy.
It
was
a
monsoon
storm.
A
A
Okay,
well,
this
is
this
is
something
that
I'll
I'll
give
a
little
it's
in
the
motion.
The
motion
is
awfully
long.
The
town
has
a
conduct
review
policy
which
requires
that
we
have
a
three-person,
Town
Council
conduct
review
board
to
investigate
issues
in
town.
If
there's
a
problem
with
with
a
or
any
issue
with
regard
to
conduct,
we
do
have
a
a
policy
on
how
we
treat
each
other
and
how
people
are
treated
and
compliance
with
the
laws
that
we
have.
A
We've
never
staffed
that,
and
so
this
is
an
attempt
to
to
staff
that
board
so
that
there
are
always
three
per
three
people
from
Town
Council
available
on
that
board.
The
proposal
that
we
worked
with
the
staff
and
coming
up
with
was
where
we
would
have
three
town
council
members
serve
one
year
and
then
the
other
three
town
council
members
serve
the
other
year
so
that
we
haven't
covered
the
full
first
full
two-year
term,
and
then
that
would
just
rotate
as
time
went
on.
A
A
D
This
is
embarrassing
in
2009
we
had
a
tie
score
in
an
election.
Actually
it
was
the
second
election
rather
than
having
a
third
election.
We
went
to
a
procedure
called
Draw
by
lot
and
I
was
not
I've,
never
been
good
at
cards
and
I
made
the
front
page
of
the
New
York
Times
as
a
loser,
but
it
gave
a
certain
amount
of
notoriety
to
Cave
Creek,
so
Cave
Creek
benefited
in
in
that
regard.
Those
cards
are
in
the
museum
and
hopefully
I'll
do
better
tonight.
H
H
Maybe
it's
two
people
so
I'm
wondering
why
would
we
not
go
with
like
five
people,
so
you'd
have
a
quorum
with
three
or
why
you
wouldn't
use
the
full
council
with
the
person
that's
under
discussion
recusing
themselves,
but
if
you
want
a
smaller
subset
out
of
familiarity
with
the
open
meeting
more
downtown,
three
people
presents
a
problem
if
one
speaks
to
another
and
and
I'm
not
really
sure
what
a
quorum
is
with
three
people.
Two,
that's
my
thought.
O
Three
now
that
may
not
be
a
wise
decision,
that's
what
we
have
and-
and
you
have
a
code
that
says
this
needs
to
be
populated.
This
will
populate
your
secret
contact
review
board
and
if
you
raise
some
good
points,
you
may
want
to
change
the
conduct
review
policy
to
have
it
be
your
entire
Council,
but
I
want
to
compliment
you.
Some
of
you
have
sent
to
me
articles
from
Gilbert.
By
doing
it
this
way
and
asking
you
to
police
yourself,
it's
much
more
because.
O
Is
small
because
the
voters
get
to
elect
you
and
there's
very
few
sanctions
that
you
compose,
but
the
way
you
can
police
up
activity?
Is
you
work
among
yourselves
and
that's
what
this
does?
Gilbert
has
spent
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
doing
it
more
formally.
This
is
an
informal
route
to
try
to
reach
a
good
outcome.
I
think
I
told
some
of
you.
I
was
a
town
attorney
and
we
had
Accenture
action
and
I
couldn't
bring
it
because
I
had
a
conflict
and
we
they
hired
an
attorney.
O
H
H
O
L
O
H
M
O
O
H
O
I
O
O
O
This
would
ask
three
of
you
in
an
open
meeting,
to
try
to
address
this
issue,
to
try
to
resolve
it
rather
than
hiring
an
outside
attorney
to
do
all
the
interviews
and
spend
billable
time,
and
so
this
is
just
a
way
to,
in
effect,
ask
you
to
police
among
yourselves
the
reason.
I
I
agree
with
the
manager
that
that
it
could
apply
to
employees,
but
generally
that's
going
to
be
handled
by
you,
the
manager
dealing
with
your
employees.
It's.
I
A
They
don't
have
any
adjudication
Authority.
There
is
no
Authority
in
our
code
for
the
council
review
board.
All
they're
going
to
do
is
determine
the
facts
report,
those
to
the
facts
and
perhaps
a
recommendation
to
council
council
is
the
only
one
who
can
make
an
action.
So
there's
no
adjudication
aspect
to
this
Mr.
H
Mayor
Mr
Sims.
Does
the
three
member
group
have
the
ability
to
go
in
the
executive
sessions?
Yes,
yeah!
That's
my
concern
because
the
council
members
could
attend
in
the
audience,
but
if
there's
an
executive
session
capability
for
three
people,
it
seems
like
a
poor
design
even
with
it
coming
back
to
the
full
Council
for
a
discussion
at
adjudication,
I
I,
don't
think
it
passes
this
metal
test.
Quite
frankly,
with
all
due
respect.
A
I
B
H
M
H
A
H
I
H
H
A
What's
up,
let's
have
discussion
about
thanks
to
council
then
so
we
can
we'll.
We
have.
Let's
just
have
a
general
discussion
and
at
in
that
discussion
we
need
to
make
a
motion.
We
need
a
second
emotion
and
then
we
need
to
either
vote
this
up
or
down,
and
then
we
can
make
another
motion
to
do
something
differently,
after
that,
if
we
need
to
I
I,
can
we
you.
O
Well,
there's
two:
since
you're
the
one
I
truly
think
you
could
say
before
making
the
motion.
I
would
like
to
hear
my
colleagues,
the
other
alternative
that
would
be
moved,
get
a
second
and
then
have
discussion.
Those
are
your
two
options.
Move
on
this
one
get
a
second
and
discuss
this
or
alternatively,
I'm
hearing
that
some
have
concerns
about
this.
You
could
say
I'd
like
to
hear
comments
from
my
colleagues
about
whether
or
not
this
is
the
appropriate
action
to
take
and
whether
or
not
we
should
table
it
as
opposed
to
emotion.
A
C
A
A
Being
able
to
go
into
executive
session
I
do
think
that's
not
right
anything.
They
do
should
be
done
publicly
then
take
it
to
the
council,
and
then
the
council
go
into
executive
section
that
that
needs
to
be
done,
but
I
don't
think
that
that
subcommittee
should
have
the
ability
to
go
and
do
a
executive
session.
O
They
don't
have
to
I
mean
it's
their
call,
I
mean,
and
they
have
to
they'd
have
to
justify
it
into
the
open
meeting
law
to
to
get
legal
advice,
so
I
think
it
would
be
narrow,
very
narrowly
drawn.
It
would
be.
Maybe
they
would
ask,
was
this
Con
in
that
case,
I
would
be
advising
them
and
I
wouldn't
be
being
adverse
to
one
of
you.
I
would
just
these.
This
is
the
conduct.
This
is
the
outcome.
O
You
make
a
call,
that's
why
it's
so
that's
why
it's
so
we're
on
such
thin
ice
here
and
that's
why
Gilbert
had
such
a
significant
problem
with
this
expense,
because
the
minute
you
start
challenging
your
colleagues,
then
we
have
all
sorts
of
attorney-client
issues
just
for
the
reason
you
describe,
but
I
I
don't
think
they
could
go
into
e-session,
but
I
I
think
it
would
be
very
narrow.
It
would
have
to
be
only
only
to
get
legal
advice.
A
Yeah
I
just
think:
that's
a
that's
a
risky
thing
and
it,
and
then
you
you,
put
the
put
the
town
up
to
get
sued.
I.
Just
don't
I
think
that
if
we
can
make
it
so
that
those
three
people
cannot
go
into
executive
session,
I
think
that's
a
smarter
way
of
doing
business
did
describe
that
describe
what
is
the
risk
behind
getting
legal
advice
in
privately?
A
If,
let's
say
two
people
want
to
do
some
take
some
action.
A
third
person
doesn't
that
third
person
it
it
comes
out
after
the
the
private.
You
know
the
the
e-session
that
it
wasn't
unanimous
coming
up
to
the
council.
That
gives
that
person
an
opportunity
to
come
back
and
say
what
you've
done
is
created
a
Star
Chamber.
If
you
do
everything
in
the
open.
A
What's
a
Star
Chamber,
a
Star
Chamber
is
where
you,
where
you
predetermine
a
conclusion,
it's
very
much
how
very
how
much
like
military
tribunals
do
in
Wartime,
where
you
you're
judged
during
an
executioner
and
I
understand,
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
little
bit
of
difference,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
think
that
precluding
people
to
go
into
executive
session
for
this
three
three
person
panel
going
into
Executives
session,
takes
out
the
ability
of
that
of
somebody
to
try
to
sue
the
council.
Mr.
O
Mayor
you're
exactly
right,
the
open
meeting
law
would
preclude
those
three
people
from
going
into
e-session
to
make
any
decisions.
You
just
said
a
minute
ago.
One
believed
the
other
two
were
wrong.
That
discussion
would
have
to
be
in
public.
All
that
could
occur
in
e-session
is
to
get
legal
advice.
There
could
be
no
deliberations
as
to
the
merits
or
demerits
of
the
alleged
misconduct,
and
so
the
open
meeting
law
wouldn't
would
bar
them
from
doing
exactly
what
you're
concerned
about.
A
D
D
Know
we
we
may
have
done
any
of
us
may
have
done
something,
and
I
would
be
very
uncomfortable
with
the
discussion
of
that
incident.
If,
in
fact,
the
person
were
found
to
be
innocent,
it's
putting
the
individual
in
front
of
the
public
with
the
accusation
and
I
think
that's
a
a
very
difficult
thing.
I
think
it.
If
we're
talking
about
Personnel
issues,
I
think
that,
as
would
happen,
I
believe
with
staff.
D
It
should
be
done
initially
in
is
in
an
executive
session,
and
then,
if
those
two
of
those
people
feel
that
this
is
something
that
needs
to
be
a
general
discussion,
it
would
go
there
if
the
people
in
feel
that
it
is
not
needed.
A
general
discussion
is
not
needed.
I
think
that
that
would
be
an
option.
H
A
O
O
A
A
H
H
H
H
H
Mr
Mayor
Madam
vice
mayor
I'm,
proposing
my
only
concern
is
with
the
number
not
with
the
process
that
the
town's
been
doing
for
four
or
five
years
and
maybe
I'm
a
party
of
one
on
this
issue.
It
just
seems
that
a
sub-sample
of
three
people
out
of
seven
doesn't
even
in
e-session,
even
with
a
town
attorney
depending
on
the
conduct
issue,
that's
being
reviewed,
and
so
many
issues
are
never
reviewed.
So
it's
kind
of
a
concern
on
the
number,
but
not
the
procedure.
That's
been
the
town.
H
G
Personnel
when
it
would
be,
for
example,
just
just
an
example
if
an
elected
official
was
going
outside
the
boundaries,
maybe
not
going
through
the
town
manager
for
something
and
was
dealing
directly
with
the
staff
and
some
inappropriate
way.
That's
one
example.
So
that's
one
Personnel
might
be
involved.
A
But
it
also
applies
to
all
the
boards
commissions
Planning
Commission
advisory
committees.
It
involves
to
also
involves
them,
yeah,
it's
Broad
in
its
in
the
scope
that
it
takes
into
account.
If
I
hear
you
right,
you're
unhappy.
If
let
me
just
propose
this,
the
idea
behind
three
members
was
so
that
we
wouldn't
they
would
investigate
with
a
relatively
small
Evangel
number.
If
you
go
to
Five,
why
not
just
go
seven.
D
A
L
Let
me
let
me
chime
in
a
little
bit
here.
You
know,
since
there's
seven
of
us
to
begin
with
three
is
never
going
to
be
a
a
quorum
of
the
council.
Three
of
us
can
meet
anywhere
for
drinks
and
discuss
anything
we
want
as
as
long
as
we're
not
breaking
you
know
as
long
as
we
don't
add
a
fourth
or
anybody
reporting
to
a
fourth,
so
I'm,
not
sure
that
I'm
I'm
seeing
the
issue
here.
L
O
D
A
O
A
A
H
I,
that's
yeah,
Mr
Mayor,
it's
kind
of
like
all
the
meals
at
the
wagon
wheel
and
other
restaurants
in
town,
where
we
had
four
Council
people
in
attendance,
some
of
whom
you
know
and
ordinarily
one
person
would
get
up
and
leave
the
facility
in
order
for
them
not
to
be
a
quorum
problem
when
Mr
Bunch
just
described
three
people
can
get
together
and
have
a
chat.
I
think
that
pretty
much
shows
the
problem
and
the
challenge
of
a
three-person
committee.
H
So
so
here
they're
a
quorum,
but
here
they're
not
so
the
three
of
us
can
have
lunch.
It's
not
a
problem,
but
if
the
three
of
us
draw
cards
and
we're
on
the
same
panel,
we
have
a
problem
and
I'm
not
suggesting
any
change
in
procedure,
I'm
suggesting
a
more
transparent
number
of
five,
not
three,
but
actually
I'm,
not
proposing
anything
other
than
a
tabling.
So
we
can
look
at
this
for
further.
A
B
D
A
A
O
O
Some
of
you
are
concerned
that
you
wanted
to
have
similar
tools
that
could
be
deployed
in
non-residential
districts.
That
generally,
would
be
the
nuisance
code,
the
mayor
and
I.
We
we
discovered
that
there
was
entitle
13
of
the
state
statute,
a
disorderly
conduct
statute
that
does
apply
and
would
apply
here,
but
you
all
desired
that
we
strengthen
your
nuisance
code.
O
That
formerly
was
called
noise
code
and
to
include
two
things:
one
to
incorporate
the
specific
language,
that's
in
the
short-term
rental
code
and
that's
what
you'll
find
at
the
top
of
page
75
and
also
to
incorporate
in
the
language
of
disorderly
conduct
out
of
the
state
criminal
code,
so
that
your
constituents
knew
that
you
had
powers
under
your
town
code,
complex
powers
under
your
town
code
that
could
regulate
activity
such
as
was
regulated
in
the
residential
district.
So
that's
what
that's!
The
first
thing
it
does
it
does
that.
O
Secondly,
councilman
Rhodes
was
concerned
that
we
actually
had,
and
so
there's
three
changes.
One
change
it
from
noise
to
nuisance
generally
that
until
now
the
entire
section
was
almost
all
noise,
then
add
in
Language
by
reference
to
title
13,
disorderly
conduct,
but
then
include
the
language
like
you
see
on
the
top
of
page
75
that
incorporates
the
language
you
already
have
applicable
to
residential
districts.
So
it
applies
to
commercial
districts.
O
That's
one
component
in
the
other
component
that
council
member
Rhodes
pointed
out
is
that
it
included
activity
that
is
already
governed
by
Statute
about
having
it
in
my
layman's
terms,
having
a
good
musler,
and
so
that's
what
you
see
on
the
top
of
page
74.,
because
it's
already
covered
by
different
statutes.
It
doesn't
need
to
be
covered
here.
So
our
recommendation
is,
is
this
will
add
to
the
short-term
rental
ordinance?
It
will
allow
you
some
tools
to
police
activity
in
in
in
the
commercial
in
non-residential,
generally
commercial
districts,
and
it
removes
language
like
for
Mufflers.
O
I
A
L
I
C
O
I
O
A
All
right
we
have.
Okay,
all
the
questions
are
done.
The
public
comment
is
done
so
at
this
point,
we're
looking
for
a
motion
and
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
second
reading
of
ordinance:
zero,
two
zero,
two
three-05
comma
and
ordinance
of
the
mayor
and
Council
of
the
town
of
Cave,
Creek,
comma
Maricopa,
County,
comma
Arizona,
comma,
amending
chapter
130
of
title
13
entitled
noise,
errands
and
Friends
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Town
code
period.
H
N
A
A
A
L
A
H
C
C
B
K
Evening,
Aaron
Council.
Actually
this
has
been
good.
The
town
entered
into
a
well
items.
Five
and
six
are
sort
of
connected
together,
but
I'm
going
to
talk
about
them
separately,
since
they
require
separate
actions
also,
but
back
in
2001,
the
town
entered
into
a
Cooperative
purchasing
agreement
to
work
with
BNF
construction
to
do
sewer
repairs.
K
At
that
time
we
were
just
starting
to
really
get
back
into
looking
at
the
town's
collection
system
and
and
we
were
working
actually
on
the
collection
assistant
assessment,
so
we
actually
during
that
process
we
had
about
400.
We
had
400
000
worth
of
capacity
over
two
years
that
actually
just
recently
ended
and
we've
used
up
all
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
I
think
we've
done
it
very
successfully.
We've
completed
four
large
sewer,
repair
projects
and
or
Hills
wash
sewer.
There
are
several
Point
repairs
to
get
repaired.
K
K
What
was
called
the
protruding
tap,
which
prevented
us
from
cleaning
or
inspecting
the
line
and
installed
a
new
manhole,
and
then
we
recently
completed
some
repairs
on
Cave
Creek
Road
and
Carefree
Highway
and
52nd
Street
of
some
eight
inch
sewer
lines
where
ductile
iron
pipes
had
been
installed,
but
the
Coatings
were
starting
to
deteriorate
to
the
point
that
we
needed
to
get
in
and
re-line
those.
So
we
did
that
all
with
b,
f
construction
through
the
Cooperative
purchase
agreement.
What
that
means
is
they
actually
went
through
a
selection
process.
K
At
the
time
we
were
using
a
contract
that
the
city
of
Peoria
had
done
for
job
order,
Contracting
for
sewer
repairs.
What
we're
looking
at
that
contract
is
due
up
for
Renewal,
but
there's
an
existing
City
Scottsdale
contract
that
BNF
construction
has
we're
looking
to
we'll
refer
to
as
piggyback
on
that
Scottsdale
contract.
We
think
the
contracts
are
job
order
Contracting.
So
what
that
means
is
that
we
can
sit
work
with
the
contractor
to
develop
the
scope
of
work
b.
F.
Construction
has
been
a
good
partner
for
the
town.
K
They
actually
are
full
Sledge
construction
firm.
That
has
all
the
things,
including
bypass
pumping
we've
used
them
before.
When
we
had
issues
with
the
ranch
you're
on
a
low
station,
they
were
actually
them
one
of
the
firms
that
brought
in
the
bypass
pumping
to
allow
us
to
deal
with
overflows
of
that
situation
at
that
site
and
so
put
in
the
staff
report
we've
identified
through
the
collection
system
Assessment
program.
We
have
several
large
repairs
identified
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
We're
trying
to
get
done.
K
So
we
have
a
couple
funded
this
year
identified
in
this
year's
Capital
program,
we're
actually
going
to
refund
another
project
for
next
year
that
we
wanted
to
get
done.
We
wanted
to
actually
get
the
the
12-inch
sewer
line
on
Ranch
Manana
Boulevard
done
this
year
when
we
realized,
as
we
were
scoping
that
project
out
that
we
actually
have
to
repair
a
culvert,
the
the
ductile
iron
pipe
that
we
need
to
repair
that
actually
is
both
deteriorated
and
is
sunk,
is
actually
underneath
a
large
three-barrel
pipe
Culvert.
K
So
we
actually
have
to
replace
the
head
wall.
So
it's
a
more
expensive
project
than
we
anticipated
so
we'll
bring
that
forward
and
properly
fund
that
next
year's
Capital
program.
So
we
can
actually
do
that
next
year,
within
the
scope.
Right
now
we
have
a
project
in
Stagecoach
Village
that
we're
trying
to
get
done
where
we
have
found
some
misaligned
joints
in
Stagecoach
Village
and
we
actually
want
to
install
a
few
manholes
can
better
manage
that
our
met
inspect
and
maintain
that
sewer
line.
K
It
was
actually
installed
with
Maricopa
County,
constructed
the
culverts
back
in
1990
and
actually
takes
all
the
flow
through
the
town,
cork,
the
two
to
eight
inch
sewers
connecting
together
into
a
12
inch
or
10
inch
line
that
crosses
the
wash
before
Crossing
Cave
Creek
Road.
That
line
is
heavily
deteriorated
and
it's
also
settled
so
we
we
believe
in
that
case
again.
Bnf
construction
has
helped
us
do
some
preliminary
investigation
out
there
and
we're
going
to
be
working
in
Maricopa.
County
flood
controls
districts
jurisdiction
it
actually
the
washes
a
female
delineated
wash.
K
We
have
to
be
careful.
What
we
do
in
that
regards,
but
I
think
in
total,
the
the
working
relationship
would
be
an
F
Kennedy
production
has
been
very
successful
and
for
the
town,
that's
why
staff
is
is
looking
to
to
move
forward
with
them.
Sadly,
every
time
we
go
into
the
collection
system,
we
find
more
issues.
The
assessment
program
has
identified
several
more.
K
D
K
A
K
No
yeah
we
do.
The
town
has
some
issues
with
our
collection
system.
You
know
our
collection
system
dates
back
to
the
1970s.
In
some
cases
this
line
was
put
in
in
1990
and
it's
deteriorated.
If
this,
this
specific
line,
the
one
line
that
we're
trying
to
get
done
in
the
next
few
weeks
or
next
few
months,
actually,
if
it
was
to
break,
we
could
have
a
sewer
overflow
occurring
into
endoral
Hills,
wash
directly
into
the
washer
we'd
have
to
try
and
control
again.
K
The
the
Downstream
line
to
this
is
a
12
inch
line
on
Cave
on
Race
Manana
Boulevard
is
that
that
line
were
to
break
before
we
could
get
in
to
repair
it
then
we'd
actually
have
a
break
in
a
side.
Stream
flow
going
into
Andover
Hills
wash
again
so
without
the
the
tools
which
we
believe
working
with
these
contractors
through
a
Cooperative
purchase,
strawberry
Contracting
mechanism
is
best
most
efficient
way
for
the
town
to
get
these
projects
done.
K
Otherwise,
we'd
have
to
go
out
and
probably
hire
more
Consultants
to
design
these,
instead
of
just
working
with
the
contractor
and
figuring
out
what
the
best
way
to
do
it.
We'd
have
to
slow
the
process
down
and
probably
add
some
more
cost
to
it.
I
believe,
but
the
the
real
result
is
that
you
know
our
collection
system
will
continue
to
deteriorate
to
the
point
that
we'll
have
some
failures
so.
K
L
If
I,
if
I
may
yeah
so
Sean,
if
we
don't
fix
it,
and
we
have
the
the
worst
case
scenario
you're
talking
about,
then
we
get
to
deal
with
the
Arizona
Department
of
Environmental
and
and
end
up
with
a
bunch
of
fines
anyway,
that
we're
going
to
have
to
pay
them
won't
and
won't
fix.
Anything.
Is
that
accurate.
K
Yeah,
potentially
some
fines
we'd
have
to
mitigate
these
large
expenses
for
mitigating
this.
In
an
emergency
situation
for
having
to
do
a
sewer
bypass
around
some
of
these
locations,
you
know
obviously
I'm
trying
to
do
that
in
an
uncontrolled
manner
is
is
an
emerged.
Situation
is
not
desirable.
Yeah.
L
C
G
In
your
report,
you
itemize
the
400
000
that
we
just
approved
what
that
we
had
approved
BNF
Contracting,
which
covered
repair
work
on
Andorra
Hills.
Eight
inch
sewer
main,
but
then
this
amount
is
650,
is
also
allocating.
180
000
for
the
10-inch
sewer
in
Andover
Hills
wash
so
did
our
repair
work.
Was
that
not.
K
They're
portions
of
the
same
sewer
collection
system,
so
what
we
did
before
with
the
indoor
referred
to
as
Andor
Hills
sewer
wash
when
the
town
built
Improvement
District
number
two
to
add
collection
systems
to
the
town
core,
there's
one
sewer
on
the
north
side
of
Cave
Creek
Road,
that
takes
the
the
properties
north
of
Cave
Creek
Road,
and
then
they
used
Andover
Hills,
wash
it's
actually
the
southern
leg
of
the
of
the
sewer
line.
It
follows
the
indoor
Hills
wash
for
a
while.
Then
it
pops
back
up
to
Cave
Creek
Road.
K
Then
it
ends
in
front
of
the
Mountainside
Brewpub.
So
we
did
several
spot
repairs
along
that
line.
We
knew
about
this
deficiency,
but
this
deficiency
in
the
10
inch
line
was
something
that
was
required.
A
lot
more
work
because
we're
actually
in
the
wash
the
other
ones,
were
local,
more
localized,
Point
repairs
that
they
could
work
around.
They
didn't
have
to
do
bypasses
largely
because
of
the
amount
of
flow
going
through
this
one.
It's
a
different.
It's
the
same
on
the
sewer
collection
system,
a
different
location
than
the
other
ones.
That.
G
K
Complex
comes
in
and
ties
into
that,
but
we
actually
have
already
been
talking
with
BNF
construction,
about
going
up
to
the
manhole,
where
Sansui
and
by
Mountain
View
Pub
and
actually
doing
some
investigation,
we're
not
sure.
What's
going
on
there,
we
think
there's
some
issues
with
how
it
was
constructed,
so
they're
going
to
help
us
do
some
pothole
and
to
figure
out
what
a
solution
would
be.
Oh.
C
K
I
K
K
K
That
was
done
during
construction
and
then
the
one
building
where
t-box
is
tying
into
they
actually
added
a
new
lateral
that
wasn't
even
on
the
plans
we
actually
had
to
figure
out
where
it
was
and
they,
when
they
put
that
in
that
that's
actually
slipped
down
and
caused
a
blockage
in
the
situation
and
then
Upstream
of
that
they
should
not
have
put
the
instead
of
doing
cleanouts
to
allow
us
to
get
in
and
clean
inspect
the
sewer.
They
actually
put
joints
side
by
side
to
realign
the
sewer
before
it
got
across
Gallery
drive.
K
K
A
P
K
Mayor
and
council,
member
of
the
collection
system
overall,
you
know
it's
it's
in
in
good
shape.
It
just
needs
to
be
maintained
and
we
have
had
some
failures.
A
lot
of
it's
poor
compaction,
we're
finding
that
allows
the
pipe
to
slip
down
and
some
other
things
that
that's
the
types
of
things
we're
finding
so
yeah,
some
of
the
material
choices
when
they
used
ductile
iron
pipe
and
some
of
the
sewer
systems
I
understand
they
did
that
because
of
depths
in
some
cases
for
the
the
the
material.
K
K
Right
now,
we're
planning
to
use
the
funds
that
are
actually
identifying
the
capital
Improvement
program,
and
then
next
year,
we'll
actually
put
in
the
larger
project
on
Ranch
Boulevard
make
sure
that
is
properly
funded
in
the
capital
program.
So
we
can
use
some
operational
funds,
but
most
of
the
the
monies
for
this
year
we
want
to
use
is
going
to
come
out
of
the
Apple
program.
G
H
G
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A
I
I
agree
just
in
in
perspective
and
I'm
sure
the
audience
wonders
you
know
it's
just
a
repair,
but
but
the
sewer
runs
at
about
a
two
million
dollar
a
year
deficit,
that's
partially
covered
by
dedicated
sales
tax
and
the
other.
The
money
comes
out
of
our
general
fund.
That
money
could
go
to
fixing
roads
or
whatever,
but
instead
it
goes
into
keeping
to
maintain
the
sewer
system.
We
don't
have
enough
customers
on
it.
A
One
of
the
key
items
for
our
strategic
plan
is
how
do
we
get
out
of
that
hole
because
there's
two
million
dollars
a
year
there
that's
going
to
take
Capital
to
to
expand
the
sewer
system
to
get
enough
customers.
So
this
sewer
system
is
both
affordable
and
we
can
take
that
that
subsidy
and
do
some
do
something
good
with
it
rather
than
flushing
it.
A
We
do
have
bonds
that
start
to
roll
off
in
2027
through
2030
and
that'll
help
us
out
with
some
of
this.
But
but
the
sewer
system
is
the
biggest
financial
problem
in
town
has
been
since
it
was
built
and
it
will
be
until
we
fix
it
and
unfortunately,
it's
expensive.
It's
long
term
it
has
a
lot
of
public
relations
issues
to
it
and
it's
one
of
the
things
I
really
enjoy
working
on.
A
Hi
item
number
six:
it
passes
7-0
item
number.
Six
is
Council
discussion;
approval
of
a
Professional
Services
contract
with
ghd
Incorporated
to
provide
design
permitting
and
construction
support
for
the
repair
of
a
sewer
line
in
Andor
Hills
wash
for
an
amount
up
to
47
666
47
660
dollars
presented
by
the
utility
instructor.
K
Mayor
council,
so
this
is
adding
on
to
the
last
item
where
the
last
item
was
to
give
us
be
to
work
with
BNF
construction
actually
do
physical
work,
the
one
repair
that
we've
identified
of
the
10
inch,
sewer
and
I
think
Brian's
going
to
try
and
pull
up
the.
This
is
the
exhibit
that
shows
in
the
backdrop
here,
it
is
so
it's
just
north
of
us
in
town
hall,
on
the
east
side
of
Cave
Creek
Road.
K
So
the
the
two
sewer
lines
through
the
town
core
come
together
at
this
one
point
crosses
the
wash
because
we
are
in
FEMA
delineated
wash.
We
need
to
work
with
Maricopa
County
flood
control,
because
it's
not
just
a
lining
repair
job,
because
we've
actually
had
some
settlement
occur
in
the
wash.
We
thought
it
was
best
to
engage
Professional
Services
con
Consultants
to
actually
help
us
do
the
design
do
the
coordination
with
Maricopa
County
because
of
limited
staff
resources.
They
would
actually
also
be
providing
the
construction
Administration.
K
So
the
oversight
working
with
the
contractor,
typically
we've
been
able
to
work
with
our
contractor
b
f
construction
to
identify
scope
of
work
and
work
directly
with
them
in
this
case.
There's
enough
new
answers
to
this
project
that
Staff
feel
more
a
lot
more
comfortable
and
because
of
the
permitting
required
that
we
believe
we
need
a
professional
services.
Consultant
ghd
is
the
firm
that
actually
recently
completed
the
collection
system
assessment
for
the
town.
K
As
part
of
that,
when
we
did
the
original
solicitation
for
that
assessment,
we
we
left
it
open
a
little
bit
at
the
end
to
allow
for
an
amendment
to
that
contract
to
to
utilize
The
Firm
selected
firm
to
help
us
do
a
design
of
some
repairs.
So
this
is
at
this
point
the
only
repair
that
we
think
we
need
to
design
for.
Most
of
the
other
ones
are
smaller
in
nature
or
we
can
work
directly
with
the
contractor
to
do
it.
K
But
this
one
we're
asking
to
have
ghd
continue
that
scope
of
work,
it's
a
separate,
separate
contract
itself
from
Professional
Services
contract,
but
we'll
use
JG
staff
and
their
expertise
in
the
area
to
help
us
complete
this
project.
Get
this
out
of
our
inventory
of
problems
for
our
collection
system.
L
L
A
L
A
I
A
K
So
in
effect
we
lost
power
through
four
utility
sites
when
a
tree
hit
a
power
line
and
the
cap
four
Association
was
impacted
because
one
of
the
pumps
blew
up
in
effect,
the
motor
starter
blew
up,
so
we
had
to
go
in
and
replace
that,
but
we
ran
into
issue
after
issue
and
staff
stuck
with
it
during
a
what
was
a
time
of
horrendous
heat.
So
you
know
again.
Thank
you.
Everybody
for
that.
I
also
wanted
to
use
this
as
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
next
week.
K
K
K
K
April
is
actually
when
a
large
last
conversion
was
done
and
we
had
over
close
to
200
customers
removed
from
the
system,
and
we
saw
a
dip
in
the
demand,
but
because
of
the
Heats
that
started
in
May,
you
can
see
our
demands
have
actually
increased
and
looking
at
Trend
through
July
because
of
the
excessive
Heat
this
summer,
we've
actually
more
than
made
up
that
loss
and
customer
base
with
our
customer
customers
using
out
water,
so
typically
outdoor
water
use
is
what
we've
been
seeing.
So
this
is
something
we
watch
and
look
for
this.
K
This
is
something
that
we
feed
ins
to
our
Master
plans,
because
this
this
comes
down
to
how
much
water
we
need
to
provide
to
our
customers.
But
you
know
we're
this.
This
long
hot
summer
was
Exceptional
from
the
standpoint
that
it
did
increase
our
water
demand
more
so
than
we
anticipated
so
looking
out,
we'll
have
to
look
at
things
like
conservation
efforts
and
conservation
Outreach
that
we
can
do
to
help
keep
people
aware
of
such
situations.
But
if
we
have
continue
to
have
long
hot
summers,
it's
something
we
have
to
watch
out
for.
K
This
the
stack
graph
is
specifically
so
the
one
before
was
actually
dealing
with
all
of
our
water
resources,
which
right
now
is
largely
central,
Arizona
project
water,
but
we
actually
do
have
over
200
acre
feet
of
groundwater
that
we
provide
to
customers
and
Desert
Hills.
This
one
actually
removes
the
Desert
Hills.
Groundwater
just
is
talking
about
our
deliveries
of
central
Arizona
project
water.
K
The
real
takeaway
is
right
now
about
60.
60
of
our
water
is
used
in
Cave
Creek,
and
a
few
remaining
Carefree
customers,
Desert
Hills,
is
using
about
27
percent
of
the
water
from
for
cap
and
then
about
12
is
going
to
the
ranch
Manana
Golf
Course,
but
that's
not
just
direct,
want
raw
water
being
delivered
to
the
ranch
community
golf
course.
It's
actually
also
backwash
water
from
the
treatment
plant.
So
when
you
we
have
to
treat
water
to
make
it
potable,
there
is
always
a
waste
stream
associated
with
that.
K
But
really
we've
been
working
on
keeping
down
the
the
non-revenue
water
number.
The
town
is
actually
supposed
to
keep
that
number
below
10
percent,
where
you
can
see
it's
a
10.6
percent
for
this
annualized
fiscal
year
period.
We
actually
worked
with
adwr
and
we
report
that
on
a
calendar
year
basis.
So
if
we
factor
in
that,
the
transfers
to
Desert
Hills
should
actually
be
a
little
bit
higher.
It
starts
closing
the
gap
between
the
green
line,
which
is
what
we
build.
K
No
the
green
line,
which
is
the
treated
water
that
came
out
of
the
treatment
plant,
sorry
and
the
stack
graph,
which
is
actually
the
the
water
delivered
to
our
customers,
and,
in
our
case
the
red
is
actually
considered
the
tie-in
meter,
the
the
meter
that
goes
out
at
24th,
Street,
Cloud
Road
and
ties
to
two
Water
Systems
together.
So
they'll
start
to
close
that
up
and
actually
make
our
non-revenue
water
for
for
Cape,
Creek,
Water
Company
look
better,
and
there
were
reciprocal
of
that.
K
K
They
have
better
metering
out
there
and
the
fact
that
they've
done
the
we
did
the
conversion
to
the
Neptune
meters
earlier
we
were
in
the
middle
of
that
process
or
early
in
that
process
in
Cave
Creek
Water,
but
these
gaps
actually
will
widen
a
little
bit
because
the
the
desert
tie-in
meter
here
the
green
line
that
actually
should
be
a
little
bit
higher.
So
instead
of
having
a
non-revenue
water
of
under
five
percent,
it
should
be
increasing
a
little
bit.
It
won't
go
as
high
as
10
percent.
K
It
won't
be
a
full
add
to
it,
but
the
goal
of
that
was
to
try
and
account
for
the
fact
that
in
any
treatment,
water
treatment
process
you
have
lost
water
and
it
wasn't
fair
that
the
Cave
Creek
Water
System
was
taking
all
of
that
loss.
So
we
were
trying
to
with
the
rate
model,
was
to
structure
it
such
that
that
was
being
split
proportionally
based
on
the
water
use.
So
these
two
grass
don't
reflect
the
proper
numbers
right
now,
but
I'm
moving
forward.
K
This
is
the
water
treatment
plant
flows,
and
this
this
graphic
has
has
stumped
me
for
a
while
and
we're
actually
making
some
progress.
Finally,
on
this,
the
the
green
line
is
the
water.
That's
measured
at
our
meter
at
our
cap
on
booster
near
the
cap
Canal,
it's
the
water.
We
move
up
to
the
treatment
transmission
and
we
have
a
series
of
meters
actually
at
the
plant
itself.
So
historically
we
show
that
we're
making
more
water
than
we
deliver
up
the
pipeline.
K
We
have
a
metering
issue
and
we've
been
trying
to
work
to
resolve
that
we've
added
several
meters
at
the
treatment
plant
itself
itself
to
help
she
capture
meters,
we've
added
the
most
of
all
the
meters
to
our
scada
system,
so
we
can
Trend
it
well.
We've
come
to
the
conclusion
that
there's
something
wrong
with
that
cap
meter.
We
actually
are
working
with
Consultants
who
install
a
temporary
meter,
the
pipes
buried
at
the
cap,
Canal
we're
actually
going
to
go
up
to
the
cap.
K
The
minimum
two
to
three
days
worth
the
pipeline
out
of
service,
something
I
truly
don't
want
to
do
until
we
have
the
new
Phoenix
interconnect
up
and
running
so
that
we
can
actually
cut
into
that
Pipeline
and
install
the
proper
meter.
Our
goal
with
this
new
project
is
to
to
truly
quantify
the
issue
we're
having
with
that
meter
and
then
have
that
discussion
with
both
cap
staff
and
then
my
understanding.
K
They
don't
want
us
to
use
a
meter,
that's
a
mile
and
a
half
away
from
the
cap
Canal,
but
maybe
that's
the
discussion
we
could
have
in
our
discussions
with
the
master
plan,
we're
not
using
that
cap.
Meter.
I
know
that
has
come
up
before
that
you
know.
Are
we
under
reporting
our
meter?
We
actually
start
our
starting
point.
Is
the
water
produced
at
the
plant
into
the
system?
So
this
will
have
an
impact
on.
You
know
the
amount
of
water
available
for
us
to
recharge.
K
It
has
a
little
bit
of
of
ability
to
or
it'll
change
the
cost
of
our
water,
because
we
pay
for
both
the
capital
costs
and
all
our
cap
water,
but
we
only
pay
for
the
water
delivered
and
it's
measured
as
one
meter
so
we'll
have
to
our
increased
cost
will
go
up,
but
the
delivery
portion
of
the
cap
water
is
not
as
significant
as
to
Capital
costs.
So
it
is
something
we
do
need
to
correct
and
and
I've
been
working
with
staff
to
try
and
work
on
it.
K
It's
been
frustrating
because
every
time
we
seem
to
be
getting
better
with
it
and
all
of
a
sudden
a
couple
of
weeks
later,
something
goes
as
dry
and
we're
finding
out
that
something's
going
on
with
this
metering
and
we're
just
continuing
to
work
our
way
through
it.
So
the
next
quarterly
report
I
hope
to
be
able
to
come
back
with
a
good
Solution
on
what
we
need
to
do
and
where
the
problems
are.
A
K
K
We
could
have
that
meter
in
right
now
in
that
location,
so
we
either
have
to
get
it
rotated
to
the
side
of
the
pipe
or
underneath
the
pipe
at
the
minimum
and
or
what
cap
would
prefer
that
we
do
is
actually
replace
that
entire
meter
section
and
and
cut
into
the
pipe
dewater
the
pipe
and
put
in
what's
called
a
magnetic
flow
meter
which
is
going
to
require
us
to
expose
the
pipe
for
about
seven
to
ten
feet,
dig
completely
around
it
and
cut
into
it.
Remove
a
section
of
pipe.
A
A
K
K
I
K
K
We
have
to
up
our
flushing
operations
because
of
the
hot
summer
it
actually
transferred
into
the
ground,
and
we
actually
did
see
a
marked
increase
in
the
in
the
temperature
of
our
water,
which
meant
that
we
actually
lost
chlorine
residual,
a
lot
faster
too.
So
we
had
to
do
a
lot
more
flushing,
but
in
total
this
flushing
operation
only
represents
a
bit
less
of
than
one
percent
of
our
total
production.
K
We
do
want
to
see
if
there's
other
ways
we
can
do
with
it,
get
into
some
more
directional
flushing,
as
we've
had
some
staffing
challenges,
and
this
fall.
We
like
to
start
working
on
some
directional
flushing,
there's
some
other
flushing
techniques
out
there
that
are
called
that.
Don't
waste
as
much
water.
It's
just
running
it
down
a
wash
so
we're
looking
into
those
but
they're
costly.
But
it's
something
we
can
look
at
to
see
if
we
can
scour
our
lines
and
hopefully
keep
a
water
quality
better
in
the
system.
K
K
So
that's
the
system
is
fairly
stable,
we're
not
adding
very
significantly
to
our
customer
customer
usage
and
we'll
talk
more
about
that
in
a
master
plan,
because
yeah
trying
to
get
more
customers
into
that
system.
There
are
some
ways
we
can
do
that
and
until
we
can
add
more
customer
base,
it's
going
to
be
a
fairly
stable
system,
which
is
good
in
some
cases,
but
not
good
overall,
for
you
know,
helping
make
the
system
more
efficient,
cost
wise.
K
And
then
talking
about
Rancho,
Manana
golf
course,
which
is
our
largest
single
Water
customer
I,
show
this
graphic
every
month,
so
the
East
Lake
is
where
we
have
our
two
delivery
pipelines.
We
have
an
eight
inch
pipeline
that
so
all
the
effluent
from
the
treatment
plant,
the
only
place
that
we
can
dispose
of
that
effluent
currently
is,
is
into
the
Lake
system.
K
And
then
we
do
backwash
water
and
what
we
refer
to
as
cap
divert
water
for
the
Palm
membranes
through
another
eight
inch
line,
or
we
could
deliver
raw
cap
water
up
to
the
East
Lake,
the
East
Lake
Cascades
into
the
Middle
lake
and
then
that
Cascades
into
the
West
Lake
West
Lake
is
where
Ranch
Manana
has
their
irrigation
booster
station
and
then
there's
also
the
Overflow
to
the
wash
so
as
mentioned
before.
There
is
a
inefficiency
in
this
system
up
there
and
we
can
we've
very
diligently
Quantified.
K
It
we've
actually
had
a
meeting
with
Rancho
Manana
we're
looking
at
some
improvements
that
we
can
work
with
them
on
on
this
graphic
I
want
to
show
the
red
line
on
here.
This
is
a
sort
of
Stack
graph
of
our
deliveries
to
them.
The
the
blue
is
raw
cap
water.
So
at
certain
times
of
the
year
we
don't
generate
enough
effluent
or
even
enough
backwash
water
from
our
treatment
process
to
actually
keep
up
with
their
demand.
So
we
deliver
them
raw
cap,
water.
K
The
red
line,
is
actually
the
backwash
water
from
the
treatment
plant
I
wanted
to
highlight.
You
can
notice
from
July
of
last
year
to
June
of
this
year
that
red
line
is
narrowed
down.
That's
because
the
staff
are
actually
been
diligent
and
working
on
the
palm
membrane
process
that
we
have
actually
is
very
efficient
and
they've
been
working
to
try
and
optimize
the
use
of
the
Palm
membranes.
K
The
West
techs
are
a
lot
less
efficient,
but
the
staff
have
been
working
to
try
and
balance
that
out
to
get
both
the
best
quality
water
into
our
system
and
reducing
the
amount
of
backwash
water
and
reduce
produced
by
that
treatment.
Plant
and
the
oranges
at
the
bottom
is
actually
the
treated
effluent
so
that
we
have
no
control
over
right.
Now
it
comes
into
the
plant.
We
treat
it
and
the
only
place
we
can
deliver
it
to
is
actually
Rancho
Manana
Lakes.
K
That
leads
to
the
imbalance
for
deliveries
versus
irrigation.
So
the
the
blue
on
this
graph
is
showing
the
total
of
the
town's
deliveries
on
a
monthly
basis
versus
what
was
billed
for
irrigation,
so
per
contract.
They
get
billed
on
what
they
use
and
that's
the
orange
on
the
graph
and
you
can
see
so.
This
is
invert
of
the
inverse
of
the
the
calendar
year.
You
can
see
the
middle
there
December
January
February.
You
know
cooler
winter
months,
they're,
not
irrigating,
very
much,
but
we
that's.
Actually.
K
When
our
Wastewater
flows
increase,
we
produce
the
most
effluent,
we
produce
less
backwash
water,
but
that's
when
the
waste
goes
up
the
most,
so
in
total
we're
seeing
about
159
acre
feet
of
of
water
that
we
deliver
to
them.
That's
not
being
used
for
irrigation,
so
that
goes
into
what
we
refer
to
as
losses
or
non-revenue
water
of
that
159
acre
feet.
This
past
calendar
year
we
were
able
to
calculate
about
36
acre
feet.
It's
just
evaporation
off
those
ponds.
K
We
Believe:
are
we
meter
the
Overflow,
so
81
acre
feet
was
actually
overflowing
the
Lakes?
That's
when
we
couldn't
control
the
deliveries,
and
we
had
nowhere
else
to
put
the
either
the
effluent
from
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
or
for
the
the
backwash
water.
So
it
went
to
the
Lakes.
They
couldn't
use
it,
so
it
overflows
the
lakes
and
then
we
have
to
we've
been
able
to
come
up
with
an
assumed
longer
losses.
We
do
believe
they're
like
their
liners
are
leaking
and
about
42
acre
feet
is
leaking
just
through
the
Lakes
themselves.
K
So
you
know
the
pond.
Overflow
is
something
the
town
needs
to
figure
out
a
way
to
better
manage
that
and
that's
with
master
plan
we'll
bring
forward
some
suggestions
for
you.
The
pond
evaporation
best
way
to
minimize
that
is
to
reduce
the
ponds.
We've
actually
had
that
conversation
with
them
reduce
the
size
of
them,
and
the
leaker
leakage
through
the
liners
is
something
that
we've
actually
have
approached
the
firm
to
maybe
help
them
develop.
K
What
a
scope
of
work
to
replace
those
liners
would
look
like,
so
there's
costs
involved
in
all
of
them
so
and
we
actually
control
a
path
of
that
loss
of
that
system
is
actually
because
the
town
can't
control
our
deliveries
of
water
to
the
system
right
now.
So
something
we've
been
talking
about
and
you'll
hear
about
next
week,
with
the
integrated
master
plan.
K
Talking
about
the
backflow
program,
it's
a
program
going
well,
we
actually
are
working
with
our
vendor.
This
is
a
quick
little
graphic
to
show.
We've
actually
had
great
success
with
this
program
and
we
actually
the
program
itself
is
doing
great.
This
is
the
graphic
that
we
get
from
BSI,
it's
the
firm
that
we
use
so
yeah,
there's
not
much
to
present,
except
the
fact
that
the
program
I
think
it's
doing
well
to
protect
the
town's
water
system.
K
The
pre-treatment
fog
program
I've
talked
about
this
number
of
times
and
the
insurance
seeing
a
snapshot
of
the
final
product,
so
we're
actually
got
a
new.
We
used
to
just
use
a
tracking
spreadsheet
to
to
manage
this.
We
now
actually
have
a
line
online
program.
That's
a
very,
very
efficient,
the
vendors,
the
suppliers
who
are
doing
the
fats,
oils
and
grease
removal
can
go
right
into
the
system,
upload
information
and
have
this
dashboard
type
of
situation
where
we
can
manage
it
a
lot
more
efficiently
effectively.
K
So
we
started
the
final
Outreach
and
starting
to
implement
it.
So
again,
there's
another
kudos
to
the
staff
resources
staff
being
very
efficient
and
effective
to
try
and
better
manage
the
program
we
did.
The
inventory
we've
had
several
devices
bless
you
that
we're
on
the
system
that
we've
added
to
the
system.
We
found
some
that
we
we
just
added
as
old,
unused,
grease,
interceptors
and
stuff
like
that.
K
An
update
on
the
Carefree
disconnect
project
so
you're,
seeing
the
total
of
the
three
areas
that
are
being
disconnected
from
the
water
system.
So
as
of
as
of
right
now,
526
of
the
550
accounts
have
been
separated
from
the
system
in
area.
A
was
where
we
actually
saw.
The
most
disconnects
happened
this
last
quarter
through
the
last
half
the
year.
That's
where
we
saw
a
reduction
in
our
usage,
but
again
our
customer
base
is
actually
made
up
for
that.
K
With
this
long
hot
summer,
there's
three
accounts
left
in
area
a
and
that's
the
the
lows:
what
was
the
CVS
and
the
store
Quest?
So
we're
talking
with
Carefree
having
those
cut
overs
done
here
on
the
next
couple
of
months.
They've
done
most
of
the
pipe
work,
and
that's
that's
what
probably
people
saw
recently
with
the
crossings
across
Cave
Creek
Road
north
of
Carefree
Highway?
That
was
largely
associated
with
the
pipe
work
that
Carefree
was
installing.
The
last
area
to
be
converted
is,
is
a
portion
of
area
B,
so
C
is,
can
fully
converted.
K
A
will
be
in
a
few
months,
will
be
fully
converted
and
B.
They
actually
have
to
do
a
booster
Pump
Station
upgrade
because
the
delivery
schedules
are
saying
that
it
could
take
six
to
nine
months
to
complete
that.
So
we
have
about
20
customers
in
area
B
that
will
continue
to
to
service
and
and
Bill
until
they
get
converted
over,
but
we're
at
the
tail
end
of
the
project.
K
Actually,
since
we
paid
for
that
water
this
year,
we
actually
recharged
it
so
next
year
we
won't
have
quite
as
much
to
recharge,
but
we
are
building
that
long-term
storage
credit
and
with
the
master
plan
we'll
bring
forward
some
ideas.
You
know
having
that
in
the
ground
and
having
a
storage
account
looks
good.
But
how
do
you
get
that
water
back
into
a
pipes
is
something
we
need
to
that's
the
next
step?
That's
when
you've
been
working
around
with
master
plan.
K
Some
a
couple
of
projects
I
just
want
to
highlight
is
and
may
we
did
some
inspections
and
cleaning
at
the
Rockaway
Neary
and
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
clear.
Well,
so
we
brought
in
divers
to
do
that
work
very
successful.
There
wasn't
that
much
debris
in
the
two
reservoirs
in
the
system,
but
we
actually
did
find
a
fair
amount
of
debris
that
had
collected
in
the
clear
wall.
We
couldn't
find
any
records
the
last
time
the
clear
will
had
actually
been
cleaned.
K
So
over
this
past
year,
staff
have
been
working
at
that
site
to
rebuild,
in
effect,
because
everything
had
basically
wore
out
just
by
sitting
there
and
aging
itself
out.
So
we
now
have
two
customers.
The
first
customer
had
been
we've
been
using
by
bypassing
the
booster
station,
but
they
they
are
there
and
then
the
house
right
at
the
top
of
Carriage
Drive,
that's
being
built
right
now,
is
now
being
fed
from
this
booster
station
as
intended.
K
Foreign
idea
of
some
of
the
maintenance
that
we
do
so
this
thing's
idea.
You
know
we
do
have
a
maintenance
supervisor
and
two
staff
members,
so
we
bring
in
contractors
when
necessary,
but
we
do
a
lot
of
work
ourselves
and
you
can
see
the
the
fan
blade,
so
the
motors
themselves
have
fans
to
keep
them
cool.
So
we
go
in
and
proactively
change
these
things
out,
as
things
wear
out,
to
keep
keep
our
Motors
running
so.
K
The
distribution
system,
we
still
are
continuing
to
we've
largely
caught
up
with
a
lot
of
the
the
masses
of
fails,
metered
that
we
have
in
the
collection
system
or
the
distribution
system
in
Cave
Creek
that
we've
been
seeing
and
we're
trying
to
work
forward
with.
We
still
haven't
received
all
the
Federal
grant
monies
for
the
water,
smart
Grant,
but
we're
still
proceeding
with
starting
on
the
meter
change
out
program
and
that
we're
trying
to
get
our
contractors
together.
K
We're
trying
to
get
the
collector
systems
put
in
place,
and
those
will
be
the
collectors
that
allow
us
to
when
we
get
the
new
meters
installed.
We'll
actually
have
to
get.
Allow
us
to
get
real-time
data
into
the
system.
So
it's
a
double-ed
short
if
you
have
to
get
the
collector
set
to
figure
out
which
meters
that
they
can
read
and
which
ones
will
have
to
put
a
cellular
antenna
on
to
so.
K
The
vendors
shoot
in
the
next
couple
months
have
a
couple
of
those
radios
collector
radios
available
that
we
can
start
setting
them
in
the
system
and
then
start
continuing
on
the
change
out
program
and
we're
talking
about
different
vendors.
That
we
can
use
because
there
are
Federal
grand
dollars
involved.
K
K
Major
project
we
completed
this
last
quarter
was
actually
the
interconnect
type
between
Cave,
Creek
and
Desert
Hills
and
I
forgot
to
bring
the
rock
it
sits.
In
the
back
of
my
my
desk
here,
the
two
cut
water
companies
actually
came
together
with
two
eight
inch
lines,
but
then
they
they
actually
narrow
both
sites
narrow
down
to
four
inch
piping,
and
then
that
was
where
the
metering
was
being
done.
K
We
actually,
we
realized
that
we
were
seeing
pretty
large
pressure,
swings
in
24th
Street
and
we
thought
it
might
be
attributed
to
the
fact
that
the
water
is
trying
to
push
through
that
four
inch
piping.
Well,
we
went
in
and
did
a
project
and,
as
you
can
see,
when
the
the
contractor
cut
into
the
pipe
lo
and
behold,
we
actually
cut
into
a
rock
that
had
wedged
itself
into
that
four
inch
line.
K
So
we
were
pushing
600
gallons
a
minute
past
that
rock
on
an
annual
basis
on
a
daily
basis,
so
by
changing
it
out
to
six
inch
and
actually
we
now
have
a
scada
system,
a
mission
system.
So
we
can
actually
look
at
I,
can
look
it
on
the
phone
right
now
and
tell
you
what
the
pressure
is
going
in
and
out
of
that
site
and
the
flows.
K
We
have
a
much
better
understanding
and
it's
actually
helped
us
really
understand
what
the
issues
are
going
on
with
our
Cloud
Road
pipeline,
which
was
part
of
the
old
master
plan,
is
actually
a
project
that
was
identified
now
we
have
a
lot
more
things
to
quantify
the
issues
with
that
Pipeline
and
it's
really
coming
down
to
the
amount
of
water.
We're
constantly
pushing
at
least
300,
if
not
600,
gallons
a
minute
to
Desert
Hills
right
now,
which
means
there's
so
much
friction
losses
in
that
pipeline.
K
K
K
Just
had
their
chop
saw
and
that's
actually
what
they
chopped
into
so
the
rock
sitting
in
my
office.
It's
actually
cut
where
they
they
drop
saw,
so
they
were
actually
happened
just
to
be
cutting
the
piping
apart
and
happen
to
hit
it,
so
we
might
not
have
ever
seen
it
if
they
had
hit
it
at
a
different
location.
There's.
K
Another
little
Improvement
we
did
is
wastewater
treatment
plants.
It
seems
like
small
one,
but
there
used
to
be
metal,
halide
lighting
in
the
the
headworks
building.
So
when
you
go
in
there
and
say
an
emergency
situation,
it
would
take
up
to
15
minutes
for
them
to
actually
brighten
up.
We've
changed
those
out
to
LEDs,
so
they're,
more
efficient.
They
actually
brighten
up
so
you're,
actually
working
there
a
lot
more
safely
efficiently,
so
we'll
be
looking
to
change
those
out
of
the
locations.
K
We
did
some
work
in
the
last
quarter
actually
to
the
stage
host
lift
station
where
we
added
so
we
actually
had
a
failed
flow
meter
at
the
site
and
we
actually
had
a
failed
check
valve
at
the
site
where
the
water
was
basically
recirculating.
So
we
replaced
the
check
valves.
We
installed
it
a
new
flow
meter.
We
installed
a
new
bypass
pump
connection,
so
now
we
can
bypass
this
site
in
an
emergency.
K
If
the
something
catastrophic
happens,
we
can
actually
bypass
it
or
if
we
need
to
work
on
the
wet
well
itself.
So
another
great
Improvement
to
the
to
the
site
mirrors
very
much
what
we
did
at
Rancho
Manana.
So
we
had
those
two
list
stations
looking
very
close
as
far
as
operationally
right
now
and
then
the
last
one
yeah
collection
system,
update
I,
mentioned
this
before
we
actually
did
some
sewer
rehab.
It's
gonna
show
you
some
pictures
of
the
liners,
but
there's
not
much
to
see.
K
We
actually
took
away
the
old
deteriorated.
We
actually
have
a
plastic
liner
inside
of
it,
so
it
looks
like
plastic
pipe
so
I'm,
sorry,
if
I
ran
along
with
this,
there
always
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
stuff
that
my
staff
are
working
on
and
again
next
Monday.
We
do
want
to
have
an
update
to
talk
to
Council
on
the
where
we're
at
with
the
integrated
Master
Plan
before
we
move
ahead
with
that
project
and
wrap
that
up
with
that,
I
can
answer
any
questions.
P
Mayor
and
Council,
we
did
a
hydrology
hydraulic
study
for
the
area
between
Surrey
and
carriage
to
quantify
what
was
going
to
be
needed
as
part
of
that
study,
they
came
up
with
a
proposed
proposed
Channel
section
that
would
be
put
on
the
north
side
of
carriage
and
on
the
North
side.
No
excuse
me
on
the
north
side
of
Tallyho
and
the
north
side
of
Tandem,
with
driveway
culverts,
underneath
each
East
underneath
each
of
the
driveways.
P
What
we
are
doing
here
is
we
are
taking
the
next
step
in
that
and
taking
the
same
firm,
awarding
a
design
contract
that
will
put
in
the
will
come
up
with
the
design
plans
for
the
Culvert
and
channel
system,
and
also
to
design
a
road
one-way,
Crown
Road
that
will
drain
to
it
using
a
chip
seal.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we'll
be
ready
to
bid
the
work
to
get
it
constructed.
A
P
We're
guessing
that
they
will
probably
have
a
design
ready
to
to
give
to
council
or
to
present
to
council,
probably
in
about
three
months,
and
then
we
would
then
you're
looking
about
two
months
to
bid
an
award
and
then
construction
would
be
towards
the
beginning
of
the
beginning
of
the
year.
Beginning
probably
February
of
the.
I
P
A
A
D
P
A
P
Members
of
council,
at
one
point
we've
we've
had
always
had
people
come
in
and
say
well,
I
want
a
speed.
Hump
I
want
a
speed
bump
I
want
a
I,
want
some
sort
of
something
in
my
neighborhood
and
we
don't
have
a
policy
that
allows
us
to
quantify
and
come
up
with
a
method
or
decide
determining
when
it
is
necessary
and
when
it
is
not
necessary.
P
So
if
you'll
indulge
me
with
a
short
PowerPoint,
so
like
I
said
annually,
the
town
has
many
residents
who
inquire
about
the
installation
of
traffic
calming
devices
on
public
streets.
The
calming
devices
such
as
speed,
bumps,
speed,
humps
and
speed
cushions
were
reviewed.
We
met
with
Jim
Ford,
with
Tyler
Thurman
and
with
Adam
Stein,
and
we
came
up
with
the
fact
that
we
really
only
want
to
entertain
speed
cushions
due
to
the
wear
and
tear
that
it
will
cause
on
our
emergency
medical
vehicles
or
our
fire
trucks.
P
So
this
way
the
spacing
is
something
that
can
be
done
and
I'll
give
you
an
example
of
what
it
looks
like
in
just
a
minute,
but
we
can
have
a
it
won't
do
as
much
damage
to
the
emergency
vehicles.
The
procedure
looks
at
criteria
that
would
both
warrant
the
installation
of
the
traffic
calming
devices,
but
also
the
establishment
establishment
criteria
for
the
public
acceptance
of
the
device
in
an
area
and
the
funding
of
the
installation
of
the
device.
P
I'm.
Sorry,
so
this
is
what
a
speed
cushion
looks
like
you'll
notice
that
there's
a
path
between
them,
not
in
the
traffic
Lanes,
where
the
fire
truck
can
span,
and
since
it
has
a
larger
wheelbase,
it
would
span
it
and,
and
the
other
ones
would
be
slowed
down
by
it
and
then
the
detail
that
is
normally
associated
with
a
speech
cushion.
P
P
If
the
speed
trailer
shows
that
the
85th
percentile
speed
is
more
than
five
miles
and
over
miles
an
hour
over
the
posted
speed
limit,
then
it
goes
through
a
procedure
where
we
then
install
install
a
tube
system.
The
town
doesn't
currently
have
a
tube
system.
We
would
purchase
one
for
about
two
thousand
dollars.
The
reason
for
the
tube
system
is
it's
a
little
more
accurate
and
also
it
doesn't.
P
Let
people
try
and
see
if
they
can
beat
their
best
record
for
Speed
that
the
display
shows
so
we're
trying
to
come
up
with
just
a
tube
system.
That
is
a
little
more
accurate
and
then
the
procedure
would
follow
through
yes,
no
and
if
it's
more
than
five
miles
an
hour
but
less
than
12,
then
it's
eligible
for
private
funding
and
if
it's
greater
than
12
miles
an
hour
over,
then
it
would
Institute
a
town
funded.
P
Now
what
we
did
do
is
we
came
in
and
we
set
an
example:
I
prepared
a
sample
analysis.
We
did
some
collection
of
traffic
speeds
out
on
on
Highland
Road,
and
so
we
were,
the
town
receives
a
complaint
about
excessive
speed.
We
set
the
speed
trailers
out
to
collect
data,
and
the
collected
data
has
been
used
to
demonstrate
how
the
procedure
would
be
implemented.
P
And
so
there,
then
it
would
move
on
to
the
collection
of
the
signature
petitions
which
we
have
set
at
75
percent
of
those
affected
and
a
hundred
percent
of
those
within
100
feet
on
either
side
of
the
where
the
device
would
be
located
again.
These
are
recommendations
for
council's
consideration
for
a
future
program.
P
It
could
be
somebody
else,
but
right
now,
it's
the
town
Engineers.
What
we
have
in
there,
the
neighborhood
liaison
and
town
staff
will
conduct
review
of
possible
device
locations.
Neighborhood
liaison
circulates
positions
to
the
affected
Property
Owners
petition,
as
agreement
to
pay
for
share
of
neighborhood
funded
devices.
P
A
P
D
I
P
This
one
is
still
a
fairly
new
program.
The
date
on
their
traffic
coming
policy
I
think
was
February
of
22..
The
other
provision
that
they
do
have
in
here
is
that,
should
the
neighborhood
after
it's
been
put
in,
decide
that
they
don't
want
it.
It
only
takes
a
51
percent
petition
to
get
it
removed,
so
75
percent
to
get
it
in
51
to
get
it
out
and
and
that's
after
it's
after
having
been
there
for
a
minimum
of
six
months,
foreign.
P
P
L
A
P
P
P
P
If
we
have
to
put
a
curb
in
because
otherwise
what
happens,
is
people
tend
to
go
off
on
the
shoulder
to
avoid
it?
So
you
have
to
you
have
to
direct
them
at
the
and
we
and
that's
why
I
have
it
highlighted,
because
that's
one
point
that
we
still
have
to
discuss
on.
Are
there
other
methods
other
than
a
vertical
curb
which
doesn't
really
fit
Cave
Creek.
I
I
A
P
I
A
P
P
A
A
C
P
Could
but
this
again
that's
a
different
warrant.
This
is
that
people
come
in
and
say
we
want
something
that
will
slow
traffic.
We
want
a
speed
bump.
We
have
we
get
this
all
the
time
and
we
just
don't
have
a
policy
we
don't,
and
so
every
other
traffic
calming
policy
that
we're
looking
at
is
not
so
much
about
stop
signs.
It's
about.
P
It's
about
devices
such
as
there
are
all
sorts
of
Alternatives
that
other
people
have
used.
They
they
have
where
they
move
the
road
over.
They
put
different
types
of
treatments
on
the
road
in
this
case
because
of
our
fairly
narrow
right-of-ways,
we're
just
looking
at
the
the
speed
cushion
as
the
alternative
that
we
would
offer
and
not
go
into
a
lot
of
esoteric
things
that
might
need
design
and
then
try
and
decide.
P
If
that's
going
to
cause
a
diversion
that
would
cause
people,
I
mean
I've,
seen
where,
like
in
Colorado
Springs,
they
put
in
they
put
in
a
split
road
with
a
monument
in
the
middle,
but
every
now
and
then
the
monument
in
the
middle
is
is
stacked
with
cars
or
motorcycles
who
decide
to
park
at
a
rapid
rate,
come
to
a
rapid
deceleration
in
those
areas.
So
I
don't
think
we
want
that.
A
A
P
H
H
H
But
I
just
you
know
it:
it
I,
don't
represent
anything
other
than
one
older
person.
Who
remembers
how
things
used
to
be.
It
just
seems
ironic,
in
a
cowboy
town,
where
we
still
trailer
horses
back
and
forth
every
single
day
that
we're
dealing
with
people
who
have
HOA
withdrawal
and
they
want
to
tell
their
neighbors
how
to
live.
I
really
think
that-
and
the
mayor
has
brought
this
issue
up
before
that.
H
If
we
had
a
credible
program
with
the
sheriff's
office
for
Speed
enforcement,
that
it
would
not
only
have
to
be
in
the
commercial
Corridor,
but
it
might
be
opportunities
for
the
I
mean
everybody
who
obeys.
The
law
is
now
being
victimized
by
the
few
that
don't
which
I
understand
is
part
of
living
in
a
society
in
Law
and
Order,
but
God
I
hate
to
see
that
happen,
and
especially
with
curbing
I
mean.
H
If
you
want
to
see
curbing
that's
vertical
and
horrible
Starbucks
and
the
town
of
Cave
Creek,
that's
straight,
there
doesn't
have
ribbon
curves.
It's
got
the
vertical
curves
and
concrete
sidewalks,
so
I'm,
just
the
outlier
I'm
sure,
but
I
wish
that
we
could
have
a
credible
speed
enforcement
program
in
towns.
Everybody
knows
what
streets
you
can
speed
on
and
which
ones
people
do
speed
on
and
and
people
take
advantage
of
that
I
just
think
this
is
more
urbanization.
It's
more
mag
will
give
you
money.
H
If
you
do
this,
and
it
may
be
the
only
course
of
action,
because
when
you
talk
to
Engineers,
you
find
out
that
the
days
of
yesteryear
and
the
the
horse-drawn
wagon
we
used
to
have
and
The
Hitching
Post,
we
used
to
have
downtown
that
stuff's
gone,
because
the
amount
of
people
that
we
have
here
is
so
great.
Your.
H
A
A
M
D
There's
a
process
here
and
as
you
go
through
the
process,
we'll
get
input
from
the
citizens.
Those
are
the
people
that
should
be
speaking,
people
who
live
on
Highland
and
other
such
towns.
You
know
once
it's
installed
in
Highland,
then
citizens
may
have
more
information,
but
let's
go
through
the
process.
C
G
P
G
L
You
know,
I
I,
think
I
think
once
again
that
that's
letting
the
people
decide
for
their
own
neighborhood
I,
don't
much
like
the
idea
nobody's
going
to
get
me
to
sign
up
for
one,
but
I
think
they
should
have
the
opportunity
to
see
where
they're
at
in
the
neighbor
the
the
neighborhoods
to
figure
out.
If
they
actually
want
to
do
that
or
not.
A
A
Police
officer
well
I,
I,
I
I
go
to
a
lot
of
these
meetings
at
mag
and
other
places,
and
every
town
ever
the
government
in
in
the
feds
are
forcing
it
to
their
money.
The
magnet
everything
is
making
driving
more
inconvenient,
it's
it.
That
is
the
name
of
the
game.
It's
like
it's
Universal
out
there
and
I
hate
to
see
it.
I
would
not.
Why
can't
everyone
else,
I
would
not
vote
to
put
in
my
neighborhood
I'd
be
a
no
vote
but
I
like
the
fact
that
they
people
have
an
option.
A
It's
a
high
bar,
it's
democracy
in
action
and
it's
it's
a
criteria-based
system.
It's
not
hey!
Let's
make
every
decision
a
custom
decision.
We
have
other
work
that
you
need
to
be
doing
on
roads
and
streets.
Besides
this
stuff
and
I
certainly
agree
with
the
enforcement
part,
we're
still
not
we've
ramped
up
a
lot.
We've
got
more
to
go
so.
P
A
P
Yeah,
it's
I
was
informed
this
morning
that
it
met
with
demise
over
the
weekend,
so
we
are
in
the
process
of
getting
it
getting
it
fixed.
It's
not
just
a
because
it's
not
a
normal,
stop
sign.
It's
the
one
with
the
solar
and
the
lights
and
everything
else
we've
taken
it
down.
We've
taken
it
down
to
get
a
new
pole
with
the
pieces
Parts
seated
onto
it,
so
it'll,
probably
we're
hopefully
going
to
have
it
back
the
end
of
the
week
or
beginning
of
next
week.
C
P
The
one
that
usually
gets
the
we've
had
it
hit
by
horse
trailers
before
where
they
make
they
don't
quite
make
the
turn
and
all
of
a
sudden
they
leave.
You
know
they're
back,
we,
it
happened
about
four
or
five
months
ago
we
had
a
horse
trailer
that
made
the
turn
a
little
bit
sharp
and
took
out
the
one.
That's
right
there
in
the
medium,
so
it
could
be
the
same
one
meeting
with
the
same
problem,
I.