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From YouTube: 13 April 2023 Special Cave Creek Town Council meeting
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C
Mayor
members
of
council,
we
went
through
the
recording
and
some
draft
minutes
and
Mitzi
has
prepared
a
PowerPoint
to
go
through
item
by
item
of
all
of
the
changes
suggested
by
the
council
and
items
for
further
discussion.
So
if
we
could
just
start
with
those
and
clarify
that
we're
keeping
it
in
or
if
we're
going
to
add
something
in,
we
can
get
through
those,
hopefully
fairly
quickly.
It's
actually
a
long
color,
a.
E
A
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E
The
support
for
that
one
percent
increase,
so
the
government
Finance
Officers
Association,
which
is
gfoa
in
their
best
practices
in
financial
reporting.
In
the
budget
preparation
process
it
states,
a
conservative
forecast,
underestimates
revenue
and
builds
in
a
layer
of
contingency
for
expenditures.
This
might
make
it
harder
to
balance
the
budget,
but
it
reduces
the
risk
of
an
actual
shortfall.
E
This
is
the
best
practice
that
I
followed
and
am
recommending
with
the
one
percent
increase,
and
this
is
why
so
I've
got
a
couple
of
dot
points
on
this
slide
and
then
the
rest
are
on
the
next
slide.
But
I
examine
the
collections
for
the
July
through
March
of
the
current
fiscal
year
and
past
fiscal
years,
there
were
eight
different
tax
sales
tax
revenue
categories
that
were
examined.
E
But
those
are
one
time
not
ongoing
ongoing
revenues
that
were
in
there.
So
also
the
2022-23
estimated
Town
sales
tax
is
projected
to
be
almost
one
percent
or
58
138
dollars
lower
than
what
we
had
actually
received
in
2021-2022.
So,
based
on
these
trends
of
our
town,
Collections
and
the
uncertainties
in
the
current
economy
and
the
world.
The
one
percent
sales
tax
increase
in
my
professional
opinion
is
reasonable
and
conservative
to
use.
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E
Know
I
I
believe
the
Department
of
Revenue
does
those
audits
randomly
throughout
all
cities
and
towns
throughout
the
state.
So
that's
just
we
got
picked
and
that's
what
we
got.
So
that's
not
something
we
receive
every
year.
Sometimes
it's
not
that
much.
It's
just
you
know
a
lesser
amount,
sometimes
a
little
more.
It
just
kind
of
depends
and.
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C
Is
correct
and
we
we've
been
able
to
adjust
the
salaries
within
the
range
when
offering
the
position,
but
part
of
the
compensation
study
we'll
actually
look
at
the
ranges
themselves
and
see
if
they
need
to
be
adjusted.
So
as
long
as
they're
within
the
range
we've
been
able
to
accommodate
the
additional
salaries
sure.
E
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C
So
what
we
tried
to
do
in
in
legal
services,
as
well
as
in
the
Town
Council,
is
generally
without
too
much
specifics
about
a
particular
project,
or
you
know,
in
a
goal
or
ordinance
or
whatever
we
put
in
the
Strategic
goal,
titles
and
generally
what
the
objectives
would
be
under
that
goal.
Based
on
the
description
that
was
in
the
draft
strategic
plan,
so,
for
example,
provide
regular
communication
and
sound
legal
advice
to
the
Town
Council
and
some
general
objectives
for
the
town's
attorney.
C
So
we
have
and
then
there's
a
couple
other
things
that
the
council
has
discussed
about
being
more
interactive
with
the
business
Community
sponsoring
a
forum.
We
had
one
with
the
business
owners
already,
and
so
this
is
another
one
into
the
future:
updating
zoning
code
and
town
code
regulations
without
being
specific
about
each
each
individual
action.
C
You
might
do
that
will
require
your
meeting
with
the
Planning
Commission
on
the
to
discuss
the
zoning
code
and
prioritize
those
and
then
the
balanced
budget,
of
course,
under
Financial
viability,
walking
path,
completion
plan,
median
landscape
funding
and
CIP
funding
for
critical
water
infrastructure
projects
and
funding
in
2024
budget
to
fully
fund
one-third
of
the
remaining
2020
payment
management
plan
project.
So
those
are
the
cost.
Related
items
are
already
in
the
budget,
and
so,
if
you'd
like
to
change
anything
or
add
anything,
we
can
do
that.
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E
Okay,
so
the
next
item,
at
the
request
of
Nina
Spitzer,
her
tourism
Bureau
five
thousand
dollars,
and
this
can
be
seen
on
page
12
by
the
way
of
your
packet.
Five
thousand
dollars
has
been
added
to
the
fiscal
year.
2024
proposed
budget
under
the
advertising
line
and
develop
in
the
development
services
budget
to
cover
advertising
by
the
tourism
Bureau
in
the
Arizona
official
state
tourist
guide.
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Mayor
councilman
Rhodes,
the
marketing
and
promotion
accounts
for
the
local
landmarks
program,
additional
advertising,
different
media
and
the
concierge
tour,
which
we
would
do
biannually,
and
that's
all
that
comes
to
mind.
Currently
there
is
some
there's
some
dollars
for
print
media
in
there
as
well.
Generally,
the
advertising
portion
under
contracts
and
services
would
be
for
advertising
for
cases
sending
out
letters
to
surrounding
Property
Owners
things
like
that.
That's
our
biggest
chunk
of
advertising
under
contracts
and
services,
so
is
that.
K
K
E
E
This
included
in
your
packet,
and
it
was,
was
not
given
to
you
on
Monday
night,
but
it's
found
on
page
two
of
your
packet.
This
is
the
general
fund.
Revenue
breakdown,
specific
breakdown,
so
it
shows
you
what
exactly
is
included
in
local
taxes,
local
fees,
State
shared
revenue
and
miscellaneous
Revenue,
so
the
the
breakdown
of
the
building
permits
and
fee
Revenue
includes
the
building
permit
line.
It
also
includes
engineering,
Plan
reviews,
Planning
and
Zoning
fees
and
right-of-way
fees
and
I
have
shown
on
the
slide.
E
This
is
from
what's
shown
on
on
the
slide
currently
is
from
page
two
of
your
packet
and
I've
got
highlighted
those
items
in
yellow
that
make
up
the
building
permit
fee,
Revenue
so
off
to
the
right.
You'll
see
that
total
amount
shown
is
yeah,
five
hundred
and
three
thousand
five
hundred
and
fifty
dollars.
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K
Yes,
mayor,
councilman
Rhodes
they
in
a
perfect
world,
they
all
would
actually
but
actually
in
development.
What
we
see
is
it
is
cyclical
when
planning
and
development
is
very
busy
and
our
fees
are,
the
fees
collected
are
way
up.
Typically,
construction
doesn't
track
with
that.
It's
got
a
it's
got
to
go
through
a
phase
of
getting
through
entitlements
and
getting
through
that
background
before
you
get
into
permitting
construction
reviews
and
those
types
of
things.
K
So
that's
why
we
see
right
now
we
will
have
hidden
Canyon
coming
in
soon
very
shortly
here
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
That'll
be
a
big
fee.
That'll
hit
this
current
fiscal
year,
we're
in,
but
then
the
engineering
fees
for
the
permitting
that
come
out
of
it
through
right-of-way
permits
will
hit
in
the
next
fiscal
year
and
that's
how
we've
projected
it
in
here.
So
that's
why
those
projections
look
the
way
they
do
and
it's
it
we
can
go
back.
You
know
I've
been
with
the
town
a
long
time.
K
A
Well,
as
long
as
you're
up
there
now,
when
mostly
expensive
Personnel
expenses
are,
are
going
to
stay
the
same
without
Personnel
action
for
a
long
period
of
time,
but
the
construction
phase
we're
in
a
boom
and
we're
not
covering
in
the
construction
sales
taxes
drop
you're
going
to
go
into
a
deficit.
It's
a
bigger
deficit.
C
A
Break
out
you
know
it
isn't
a
budget
issue.
What
what
it
is
is
a
a
fee
issue
in
a
in
the
principle
and
the
strategy
on
should
the
people
using
the
service
pay
for
the
service
and
that
shouldn't
be
a
part
of
this
meeting
I'm
just
bringing
it
up
as
an
issue
that
this
here
lends
strength
to
the
argument
that
I've
put
forth
for
umpteen
years,
that
we
need
to
do
a
fee
study
for
the
long
term,
the
upturns
and
the
downturns.
A
A
C
C
But
I
just
want
you
to
understand
that
part
as
well.
It
is
important
to
understand
how
the
Robin
is
a
projected
and
we
don't
use
all.
We
only
use
a
small
portion
of
one-time
costs
because
we
have
been
able
to
project
what
the
one-time
cost
is
for
construction
sales
tax
and
the
rest
of
it
is
considered
one
time
and
it's
never
used
for
operating
expenses,
including
salaries
that
that's
all
I'm
saying.
A
Okay,
well
I'm
I'm
sure
this
has
been
handled
somewhere
else
before
I
mean
this
is
not
an
issue
just
we
have
the
entire
everyone
who
runs.
The
government
has
this
issue,
and
so
there's
probably
some
standards
me
I,
don't
know.
I
could
be
wrong,
but
my
business
mind
says
Hey
problem
and
I'd
like
to
understand
on
paper,
rather
than
verbally
subjective
information
that
we're
that
that
we
do
have
a
fiscally
responsible
way
to
continue
to
govern
through
good
times
and
bad.
E
E
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E
there's
a
800
000
included
in
there
for
construction
sales
tax
revenue
and
that
number
was
obtained
by
Looking
Back,
historically
on
in
times
where
Cave
Creek
was
slow
or
low
in
conservative
in
our
construction
sales
tax.
That's
about
how
much
the
lowest
that
we've
collected
in
sales
tax
revenue
so
that
amount
is
put
into
operating
Revenue.
The
rest
is
considered
one
time
it's
all
shown
and
reflected
as
part
of
the
budget.
It's
just
listed
as
a
one-time
Source,
in
other
words,
not
expected
or
relied
upon
for
our
day-to-day
operating
revenues.
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K
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B
K
Considering
the
grading
and
drainage
each
parcel
along
that
stretch,
kind
of
has
its
own
little
unique
bag
of
Misfit
Toys
that
we
would
have
to
work
through,
probably
a
combination
of
stamped
asphalt
like
what
was
done
in
front
of
the
Legion
and
the
Black
Mountain
Feed,
because
of
the
drainage,
so
that
that's
not
necessarily
as
cheap
as
what
we.
What
we
can
usually
accommodate
with
the
natural
path,
natural
surface
pathway.
C
C
K
That's
always
the
fact.
Yes,
if,
because
we've
got
history
going
back
with
those
properties,
Bambi's
files
go
back
decades
on
those
properties
trying
to
acquire
easements.
So
it's
one
of
those
outside
of
Frontier
Town.
You
know,
we've
got
a
map
of
what's
still
yellow,
Trails
or
Pathways
that
need
to
be
constructed
and
what's
red,
what
is
constructed.
This
is
really
that
last
last
piece.
So
it's
a
a
question
of
Now
or
Never:
either
we're
going
to
do
it
now
and
really
is.
C
B
K
The
what
we've
spent
I
mean
going
back
to
the
projects
we've
done
recently
in
front
of
the
legion
and
in
front
of
Black
Mountain
Feed,
where
we've
done
the
stamped
asphalt
surface,
which
everybody
really
seems
to
like
that's
kind
of
the
going
rate.
For
that
finish,
it's
very
nice
and
holds
up
very
well,
it's
very
durable.
G
K
So
because
it
wasn't
here,
Monday
and
my
GIS
skills
are
quickly
deteriorating,
having
not
been
exposed
to
it
every
day.
I
I
quickly
put
together
this
map
that
shows
the
the
Green
Dot
is
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
property,
essentially
where
the
Gateway
Trailhead,
which
we've
got
grant
funding
for,
is
the
red
line,
is
the
current
Trail?
K
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H
K
Staffs
made
aware
that
the
owner
of
the
Buffalo
Chip
has
acquired
additional
lands
adjacent
to
their
property
and
will
be
working
with
the
town
to
do
a
more
dedicated
parking
there
between
the
cowboy
company
and
the
Buffalo
Chip,
and
you
know,
as
staff
is
also
going
to
as
Kerry
mentioned.
Just
give
you
an
update
at
e-session
regarding
additional
parking
options
working
with
the
landowner
of
a
vacant,
piece
of
property
in
town
and
that'll
be
coming
before
Council
on
a
public
process.
Obviously,
but
just
give
you
an
update
on
that
as
well.
K
K
Just
Ball
parking
about
125,
maybe
a
few
more,
that
Buffalo
Chip
is
going
to
bring
to
bear
and
then,
if
all
goes
well
with
the
other
iron
in
the
fire
about
another
80
to
100
spaces
there
and
that's
within
close
proximity
to
this.
The
bar
area,
the
bar
and
entertainment
area,
so
upwards
of
200
parking
spaces
added
to
the
inventory
there
and
potentially
still
more
to
go.
K
K
C
Through
the
hand,
this
pink
handout-
this
was
just
a
very
kind
of
a
rough
analysis,
but
it
gives
you
a
good
picture
of
the
cost
to
run
the
court,
what
the
town
pays
and
what
the
town
of
Carefree
pays
based
on
public
records
and
our
own
information
on
what
the
town
pays
so
we're.
This
was
for
fiscal
year
22
we
paid
178
105
in
fees
to
Carefree,
based
on
the
terms
of
the
contract,
and
then
we
covered
some
additional
costs
for
this
facility
and
so
that
total,
roughly
194
000.
C
C
And
then,
if
you
had,
if
you
were
running
the
court
separately,
you
can
look
at
the
Carefree
expenditures
for
personnel
and
those
costs
would
be
essentially
duplicated
for
each
community,
so
you're
combining
that
into
one
court
for
all
the
Personnel.
So
if
you
look
at
the
the
kind
of
tannish
line
under
Carefree
expenditures
for
salary
benefits
and
and
what
they
pay
for
supplies
and
Contract
Services
Etc,
those
costs
would
not
go
away.
If
you
ever
wanted
to
have
an
in-house
court
again,
so
it
makes
sense
to
keep
the
contract
and
to
just
move
forward.
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Mr
Mayor,
hello,
Mr,
Mayor
and
Kerry.
Probably
this
should
be
an
explanation.
This
is
kind
of
a
courtesy
service
for
the
residents
of
the
community.
You
don't
actually
have
to
do
this,
but
not
a
lot
of
people
want
to
drive
down
to
that
theater
City
for
appearances.
So
it's
even
though
it's
not
a
money
maker,
it's
a
courtesy
to
Residents
and
individuals
in
the
community
that
have
a
need
to
respond
to
court
summonses.
So
it's
a
Goodwill
gesture.
Maybe
you
could
say
by
the
municipality?
A
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A
And
since
that
time,
I've
read
I
reread
okay,
the
the
traffic
study,
pedestrian
study
and
it
recommended
all
kinds
of
enforcement,
six
months
of
concentrated
enforcement
and
then
after
that
war.
So
we've
got
that
recommendation
sitting
on
that
study
that,
to
my
knowledge,
we've
never
done
anything
to
implement.
C
A
Yeah
well
maybe
I've
got
about
the
satisfaction
out
of
my
conversations,
private
conversations,
but
the
the
I
guess.
The
issue
that
I
brought
up
the
other
night
was
whether
we
should
be
contracting
for
our
own
off
duties.
I
have
no
idea
of
a
feasibility
but
I'm
just
trying
to
open
up
everybody's
mind
to
the
fact
that
we've
got
some
outrageous
Speeders
right
down.
Cave
Creek
Road
that
just
fly
through
town
with
seemingly
we
got
consequences.
A
G
Mr
Mayor
vice
mayor
members
of
council,
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
back
I,
want
to
say
it
was
2008,
maybe
2007.
When
I
started
in
2001,
we
did
actually
have
a
dedicated
traffic
car
whose
obviously
sole
function.
A
primary
function
was
traffic
enforcement
within
the
town
core
and
the
outlying
roads.
During
the
budget
cuts.
G
A
Then,
let's
get
the
share
of
the
share
captain
and
myself
and
whoever
and
sit
because
I
heard
that
we
have
extra
money
in
there
and
that
he
was
willing.
He
that
us,
that's
not
the
management
downtown
thought
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
take
that
money
out
of
the
sheriff's
contract,
which
would
then
make
it
available
for
us
to
do
our
own
enforcement
of
some
kind.
N
I'm
going
to
again
speak
against
that
and
would
also
request
that,
if
you're
going
to
have
that
discussion,
we
have
it
in
public
session
with
the
full
Council.
If
I
can
respectfully
make
a
suggestion
and
I
don't
know
what
the
Marsha
would
respond
to
this.
But
why
not
request
the
council
to
approve
additional
specific
funds
for
a
one-year
augmentation
for
that
specific
purpose,
get
a
cost
and
try
it
first
for
a
year
to
see.
If
you
are
pleased
with
the
results,
the.
A
Issue
with
them
was,
they
feel,
like
their
hands,
are
completely
inside.
The
sheriff's
office
will
tell
you
for
an
hour
and
a
half
that
their
hands
are
completely
Tied
by
these
Court
decisions
and
all
the
things
that
have
happened
in
the
past
I
I,
but
we
can
have
them
come
and
explain
that
to
the
entire
accounts.
Maybe
that's
what
we
ought
to
do.
N
Well,
we've
been
through
a
lot
of
different
phases
up
here.
There
was
a
time
many
years
ago
we
used
the
sheriff's
policy
and
that
may
or
may
not
have
been
the
answer.
They
did
do
other
things
besides,
obviously
the
traffic
enforcement.
They
did
other
things
here
in
the
community,
but
I'm
disrespectfully
suggesting
that
I
think
there's
full
support
for
what
you
want
among
the
group
up
here.
N
Listening
to
you,
but
I
would
just
suggest
if
you
can
do
it
within
the
infrastructure
that
we
already
currently
have
a
relationship
with
and
augment
a
healthy
amount
of
money
and
have
it
dedicated
to
that
service
and
hold
it
accountable
and
give
it
a
12-month
period
for
the
next
budget
cycle.
You
might
be
more
in
a
position
to
make
a
decision
regarding
these
types
of
issues
going
forward.
Why.
A
Yeah,
we
don't
need
to
engineer
here
unless
you're
doing
is
paying
ideas
like
this
and
like
this
and
bring
those
out
find
a
solution
to
the
traffic
enforcement
issues.
If
you
need
money,
this
is
the
time
to
ask
for
the
money,
but
it
it
needs
to
be
effective.
In
my
view,
if
the
sheriff
can't
write
tickets
for
whatever
reason
paying
them
more
money,
doesn't
do
you
any
good?
That's
why
I
said
perhaps.
A
H
A
C
A
H
H
C
C
E
Okay,
the
next
item
was
Town
Council,
the
fiscal
year
2024
proposed
budget
of
40
in
the
Town
Council
budget,
the
fiscal
year
2024
proposed
budget
of
forty
thousand
dollars
per
Community
grants
that
was
left
in
the
budget
at
that
amount.
But
there
was
an
update.
We
were
going
to
update
the
process
for
awarding
those
Grant
Monies.
B
E
The
next
item
was
the
traffic
counts
at
Schoolhouse
spur
cross,
Rancho,
Manana
and
stumbelinas.
The
traffic
study
will
be
completed
before
fiscal
year
2023
year
end
and
we
increase
the
fiscal
year.
2024
proposed
budget
and
the
public
works
department,
roads,
division,
their
capital
budget
by
250
000
for
traffic
signalization
on
Cave,
Creek,
Road.
C
Could
you
be
a
little
more
specific?
Actually,
the
traffic
signalization
could
be
traffic
calming
of
some
sort,
not
necessarily
signalization.
It
could
be
stop
signs
or
or
whatever,
but
we've
added
the
250
000,
pending
an
update
on
the
traffic
study
and
a
presentation
to
Council
on
the
update
and
we're,
including
not
only
Schoolhouse
but
spur
Cross
Ranch
Manana
stumbling
this
area
to
see
what
would
be
an
appropriate
place
or
places
for
slowing
traffic.
F
Yeah
I
believe
we
talked
about
some.
Perhaps
some
stop
signs
or
something
to
slow,
slow
things
down,
I
mean
if
you
ever
try
to
get
in
or
out
of
Rancho
Manana.
At
certain
points.
In
the
day,
it's
almost
impossible
same
thing,
going
on
to
spur
Crossroad
just
try,
making
a
left-hand
turn
at
some
point
in
the
afternoon
going
on
to
spur
cross,
it's
pretty
much
impossible.
You
may
wait
five
minutes.
C
H
E
E
F
Yeah,
what
we
talked
about
was
when
you
and
I
had
the
back
and
forth
of
at
some
point,
we'll
talk
about
what
different
options
are
for
lighting.
For
instance,
I
have
LED
lighting
on
my
flagpole
in
my
yard,
and
it's
the
solar
lights
by
two
o'clock
in
the
morning.
Those
solo
lights
are
pretty
useless,
so
it
just.
We
need
to
think,
through
whatever
lighting
we're
going
to
put
downtown
well.
A
F
Understand
and
that's
why
we,
what
we
said
is
we
need
to
study
the
problem,
we're
not
looking
at
solving
the
problem.
This
year's
budget
we're
just
going
to
take
a
look
at
what
are
different
options
that
we
could
do,
but
we
need
to
know
is
gas,
as
part
of
that
is
gas
lighting
available
are
those
lines
still
there
are
they
still
operational?
F
N
But
now
I
can
help
out
here,
since
incorporation
there's
been
a
lot
of
different
Visions
for
what
downtown
cave
bridge
should
like
and,
as
we
all
know,
economics
make
more
of
a
reality
out
of
what
we'd
like
to
have
than
sometimes
our
best
hopes
and
purposes.
If
you
walk
through
Cave
Creek
today,
there's
at
least
five
staff
iterations
on
what
streetscape
looks
like
we've
got
I
believe
at
least
three
studies
on
the
Shelf
inside
the
main
building.
N
It
goes
back
as
far
as
mayor
Davis
and
the
the
attempt
in
those
times
was
walkability
the
involvement
of
horses,
shade
ramadas
things
like
that.
It
was
small
town,
small
scale,
maybe
hokey,
but
it
was
designed
to
recognize
the
fact
that
everybody
in
the
community
who
makes
a
living
by
pretty
by
working
with
the
tourism
and
the
visitor
and
the
resident
trade
has
to
provide
some
basic
things
and,
as
I
said
before,
maybe
it's
corny
and
not
helpful,
but
the
downtown
is
the
town's
living
room.
N
The
first
impression
that
you
have
when
you
come
to
Cave
Creek
is
not
really
the
Canyons
that
you
don't
see
when
you're
in
the
downtown
area
and
I.
Just
is
the
point
of
being
obnoxious
and
tell
me
it
could
be
a
timeout
I
really
want
to
lobby
for
the
medians,
because
we
we
did
used
to
maintain
them
and
we
had
landscape.
We've
had
a
lot
of
different
iterations
on
that
as
well,
and
the
other
night
Mr
McGuire
mentioned
Boulders
and
so
forth.
N
Can
you
get
somebody
to
walk
safely
up
through
the
community
and
do
retail
and
restaurants
and
Nightclub
and
so
forth
and
park
the
car?
But
what
is
our
cultural
identity?
It's
a
mining
town!
It's
not
really
a
cowboy
Town!
There's
a
lot
of
history
here
in
the
land
and
there's
a
lot
of
history
in
the
downtown.
N
N
The
high
tension
wires
are
now
coming
up
to
town
and
they've
redone
the
substation,
so
that
may
no
longer
be
possible,
but
we
do
need
to
have
some
improvement
for
the
pedestrians
at
night
to
walk
with
with
the
lighting
the
way
it
is
and
if
we
can
convert
away
from
and
not
even
blobbing
for
Dark
Skies,
but
if
we
can
work
away
from
the
sodium
vapor
lights
and
get
into
something
that
are
smaller
scale.
That
are
spotted
downward
on
where
people
are
walking
or
parking
and
so
forth.
N
N
Could
you
maybe
have
a
crosswalk
if
it's
a
raised
table,
but
it
could
be
done
some
way
with
like
Stone
when
Dairy
Goddard
was
a
mayor
years
ago
and
it's
all
gone,
but
he
had
that
pink
Granite
put
in
in
the
median
of
Central
Avenue
and
he
had
crosswalks,
it's
all
torn
out
and
forgotten,
but
every
Council
period
has
its
attempt
to
try
to
codify
or
beautify
your
experience.
When
you
come
to
the
town.
N
So
sad,
it
was
no
down
by
the
driver
and
I
was
always
going
to
Lobby
Carrie
for
a
duplicate
up
there
at
the
other
end
of
town,
because
if
you're
at
a
certain
age,
the
sign
looks
like
an
old
national
park
sign
it's
retro,
which
I'm
sure
that
Millennials,
don't
even
you
know
they
wouldn't
buy
that,
but
at
least
it
felt
Cave
Creek.
It
felt
small
town.
It
felt
folksy,
and
so
that's
all
I'm
promoting
is,
can
we
do
something
with
the
downtown
we?
We
know
the
places
we
like
to
go
and
we're.
N
We
know
where
we'd
like
to
sit
outside
and
so
forth,
and
you
have
company
you
know
places
where
you'd
like
to
have
them.
But
if
you
go
to
Historic
areas,
whether
it's
in
Europe
or
the
United
States,
and
you
look
for
the
type
of
lighting
they
have
the
parking
I
mean
metal
signs
that
we
have
in
town.
I
would
Lobby
to
have
this
held
turn
into
plant
holders
and
take
the
advertising
down.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
agree.
We
need
a
plan
for
downtown
with
the
Aesthetics
taken
into
account,
not
just
so
I
I
would
Lobby
for
a
comprehensive
plan
which
includes
the
the
the
traffic
The
Pedestrian
safety.
What
the
place
looks
like
the
medians,
the
trees,
the
lighting
as
a
package.
Absolutely
we
can
bite
off
piece
by
piece
over
a
period
of
time.
Yeah.
B
F
Mean
is
that
the
package
I
think
we
also
have
to
take
a
look
at
some
point:
we're
going
to
develop
the
state's
going
to
start
selling
that
land
in
the
next
couple
of
years
and
I
know
you
have
that
scheduled
for
us
to
talk
when
they
start
doing
that,
we're
going
to
have
to
really
kind
of
figure
out.
What
do
we
want
that
new
portion
of
Cave
Creek
to
look
like?
What's
the
look
and
feel
we
want
there
too?
So
when
we
talk
about
this
plan,
I'm
sorry,
we
talk
about
this
plan.
F
We
also
need
to
kind
of
take
a
look
at.
Do
we
want
it
to
look
like
the
downtown
court
or
we
want
to
look
like
new
Cave,
Creek
or
something
else
I
mean
those
are
things
we
need
to
start
taking
a
look
at
now.
Two
years
goes
by
in
a
heartbeat,
particularly
the
way
things
are
going
down:
the
crazy
legislature.
We've
got.
C
You've
suggested
as
a
really
good
idea.
However,
I
also
am
fearful
that
we're
going
to
get
hung
up
on
on
an
overall
overreaching
study
on
how
to
how
to
light,
how
to
landscape
and,
in
the
meantime,
we're
still
going
to
have
these
eyesores
of
a
medium.
So
I
don't
want
to
wait
for
a
whole
study.
I
want
us
to
do
something
this
year
to
improve
the
looks
of
our
medians.
They
are
atrocious
and
it's
unconscionable
that
we
should
have
such
eyesores
in
the
middle
of
our
town.
F
C
Mayor
I
actually
asked
I
know
we
wanted
to
talk
about
it
on
Monday,
but
I
asked
for
that
to
be
to
have
the
discussion
when
Luke
was
here
because
Lucas
spent
years
working
with
the
landscape
companies
in
town
is
very
familiar
with.
It.
Has
a
history
knows
all
about
the
medians,
and
we've
talked
a
lot
about
it,
not
just
this
week
or
last
month
or
whatever
we've
had
conversations,
and
maybe
he
could
suggest
how
we
proceed
and
work
on
the
medians.
This
coming
fiscal
year.
O
K
K
You
know
five
different
perceptions
of
what
streetscape
is
I
I
kind
of
chastise
councilman
Maguire
earlier
today
about
when
he
said,
streetscape
I,
I,
no
longer
use
the
term
streetscape
I.
Think
the
right-of-way
along
Cave,
Creek
Road
in
the
town
core
is,
is
not
streetscape.
It's
consistent
of
the
medians,
the
pathways,
the
parking
lighting
to
a
degree
signage
to
a
degree,
all
of
those
things
and
I,
don't
like
using
streetscape
because
it
has
had
different.
K
It's
meant
different
things
to
different
people
at
different
points
in
time.
What
I
would
propose
if,
where
IU
is,
let's
look
at
what
our
inventory
of
medians
is
and
let's
identify
our
worst
looking
median
that
we
all
agree
on
that
is
the
worst
and
allow
us
to
prepare
and
present
a
plan
on
here's
some
options
on
how
to
do
that,
and
we
can
incrementally
bit
by
bit
bring
all
of
our
medians
up
and
as
hey
you
know,
maybe
this
median
has
a
theme
of
art.
K
K
C
A
D
D
C
To
do
it
all,
you
know
we
are
a
very
financially
viable
town
right
now
and
we
can
afford
to
do
it
right.
I,
don't
think
we
should
depend
on
volunteerism.
I
think
that
we
need
a
quote
from
one
of
our
respectable
landscape
companies
to
work
collaboratively
with
us.
They
might
be
able
to
do
some
of
it
as
in-kind
service
and
I.
Think
we
can
be
as
creative
as
possible
and
spend
the
money
to
do
it
right
and
make
our
community
proud.
L
K
Would
I
mean
it
would
really
be
a
two-part,
so
the
first
part
would
be
soliciting
a
professional
to
prepare
plans
to
do
a
wholesale,
exhaustive,
revamp
of
the
medians,
so
that
would
be
a
master
Services
contract
and
then
we
would
need
to
program
into
the
CIP
and
future
budget
year.
So
next
year
it
wouldn't
happen,
but
next
year,
next
fiscal
year,
excuse
me
would
at
least
be
the
planning
and
the
design
of
of
what
would
happen.
What
would
happen
and
what
would
need
to
happen.
It's.
F
D
A
J
H
H
E
Okay,
so
our
class,
sorry,
our
last
slide
is
the
summary
of
changes
that
we've
had
since
Monday
night.
So
for
the
general
fund
budget,
it
increased
363
450
for
the
items
that
we
have
already
been
through
on
the
previous
slides,
but
are
bulleted
below
and
then
for
the
Enterprise
funds.
Those
are
the
next
three
listed
there
for
Wastewater
Cave
Creek
Water,
Desert,
Hills
water.
That
was
for
the
additional
two
and
a
half
percent
compensation
pay
and
all
of
the
other
fund
balance
or
all
the
other
fund
budgets
remain
the
same.
H
B
F
C
C
If
you're
talking
about
something
related
to
zoning
or
subdivision
any
any
development
services
related
Consulting
Services
in
development
services
under
Professional
Services
line,
there's
thirty
thousand
dollars.
Those
monies
are
not
specifically
designated
to
a
specific
project.
We
put
those
funds
in
every
year
because
every
year
something
comes
up
with
the
elected
officials
to
look
at
something,
and
so
once
the
council
meets
with
the
Planning
Commission,
you
identify
the
areas
that
you
would
like
to
focus
on.
You
rank
them
in
order.
That
is
when
you
use
those
funds
to
work
on
those.
B
B
C
C
H
C
Nothing
and
just
in
terms
of
future
meetings.
We
will
now
begin
putting
this
In
A
Book,
Like
format
and
kind
of
finalizing
things
as
other
pieces
of
the
the
budget
that
are
required
to
be
in
there
and
we'll
have
one
more
work
session
to
discuss
the
budget
as
needed.
It
will
be
on
the
May
1st
agenda,
that's
a
regular
council
meeting
at
six
o'clock
and
then
again
the
second
meeting
in
May
will
be
the
public
hearing
and
tentative
budget.
P
M
P
And
I
said
in
there
the
day
that
the
mediums
were
taken
out
all
the
canopy
trees,
the
charm,
the
tone
of
the
town.
Everything
was
the
day.
I
began
to
long
to
replace
it,
and
it
was
a.
It
was
a
mistake
now
I
find
out.
Thankfully
you
guys
all
want
to
restore
it.
I
think
you
all
do,
but
it
seems
that
way
so
hearing
the
comments
tonight,
I
I
would
just
urge
everybody
to
understand
and
I.
So
I
disagree
with
Luke
councilman
regarding
this
idea.
P
You
do
not
have
a
design
for
this
medium,
oh
and
then
a
design
for
this
medium.
It's
called
disunity.
The
tarent
needs
to
be
unified
visually.
It's
a
single
town,
a
single
core,
the
minute
you
do
what
he
suggested
and
I'm
not
saying
he's
firm
on
it,
but
it
was
an
idea
but
I
reject
that
idea.
Because
what
will
happen
is
it
will
spin
out
of
control
and
the
town
will
look
like
a
hodgepodge.
P
Not
that
hard,
it's
just
not
like
it's
not
that
difficult
professionals
design
it
all
gets
costed
out
and
you
figure
it
out.
It
can
all
be
done
rather
quickly.
It's
not
the
kind
of
thing
that
you
have
a
lot
of
angst
over.
You
want
to
do
it.
Do
it
and
then
everybody
will
be
thrilled.
The
town
will
be
transformed
frankly
and
will
have
a
rallying
feeling
around
the
whole
town.
The
town
will
literally
be
transformed
because
physically
it
will
be
transformed
into
something
that
we
either
used
to
have
or
something
even
better.
C
M
Animore
solo,
citizen,
wow,
Public
Safety
in
welfare,
is
in
the
oath
that
you
take.
It
should
be
the
absolute
first
most
important
thing
to
think
about
the
speeding.
The
lack
of
enforcement
has
gotten
out
of
hand.
I
wondered
if
the
money
the
revenue
from
ticketing
drivers
were
coming
to
us.
Would
we
have
a
more
Progressive
wait
to
inspire
to
make.
You
understand
it's
out
of
control,
it's
so
hard
to
get
out
of
my
neighborhood
Blue
Ridge,
sorry
Carriage,
every
15
to
20
minutes.
We
have
Sirens.
Now
most
of
them
are
traffic
related.
M
It's
just
really.
It
has
to
be
the
most
important
thing
that
you
do
is
for
your
citizens:
okay,
the
streetscape!
It's
a
beautiful
work,
Tom!
It's
a
beautiful
word
because
you
remember
when
the
mayor
and
when
our
staff
came
up
with
streetscaping
it
at
Brian's
barbecue.
That
whole
area
is
part
of
the
streetscape,
where
the
prickly
pear
hotel
is
that
was
all
part
of
creating
a
streetscape
big
girls.
M
M
Look
what
happened
in
Prickly
Pear,
where
that
patio
is
where
the
tables
and
the
seating
that
was
a
beautiful
drainage
wash
there
were
two
beautiful
mesquite
trees
plants,
Galore
they're
all
gone,
so
they
can
put
in
a
patio
for
more
tables
and
chairs
the
medians.
The
plants
are
dying,
those
are
mature
trees
if
you
have
to
buy
them,
they're
500
to
a
thousand
dollars
you're
cheating,
our
citizens
me
included
from
what
from
neglect
from
whatever
reason:
why
are
there
five
trees
with
mistletoe
that
are
half
dead?
M
Why
wasn't
that
caught
earlier
they're
dead
plants
in
there
that
I,
you
don't
even
bother
taking
out
it's
a
disgrace?
How
could
you
drive
down
the
way
I
do
and
not
see
it
in
the
narrow
mediums.
They
have
smaller
plants
that
you
can
place
in
there.
So
they
don't
look
so
so
bare,
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
so
passionate
about
this.
It's
our
open
space!
M
Think
about
it.
It's
the
town,
core,
open
space.
We
have
spur
cross.
We
have
the
Tonto,
we
have
preserves
everywhere,
but
this
is
the
town's
open
space.
It
should
look
nicer.
It
should
be
a
sense
of
Pride,
I
I'm.
Sorry
I
did
send
you
the
letter,
so
you
know
how
I
felt
about
that
I
probably
should
have
talked
about
it.
Take
your
time,
I'm
glad
you're
here
appreciate
it.
Please
put
the
money.
M
Catherine
Royer
said
it
in
simple
terms:
councilman
Arkansas,
you
also,
but
you
have
to
you-
can't
be
thinking
so
so
extreme
and
at
night
our
sidewalks
roll
up
the
only
place
is
open.
Are
the
bars
concentrate
on
the
daytime,
make
what
we
have
experience
for
the
daytime
for
our
tourists
and
for
us
important?
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time.
Thanks
Alan.
J
Actually,
I
wanted
to
say
something
that
I
think
agrees
with
what
Anna
just
said,
and
that
is
that
there
are
ways
around
and
a
lot
of
ways
around
having
a
our
own
police.
Department
I've
done
full-time
24-hour
stabbing
in
the
past.
It
is
a
horribly
expensive
proposition.
That's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
pay
MCSO,
so
much
money
you
get
24
7
service
from
them.
J
And
you
know
if,
if
the
town
is
going
to
do
something,
that's
the
simplest
and
easiest
but
costly
way
to
deal
with
it
yeah.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
I
really
think
that
the
council
did
a
great
job.
I
I
listened
to
what
you
the
questions
you
asked.
I
listened
to
what
you
came
up
with
to
ask
of
staff
and
I
think
that
the
questions
were
pretty
good
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
ordinances
I.
J
J
I
I
O
Stephen
Phelps
here
at
Town
resident
celebration
this
week
was
phenomenal,
spur
cross.
Everybody
got
their
photo
ops
in
it
was
really
nice.
One
thing
I
would
like
to
request
of
this
group
is:
let's
go
back
to
before.
We
eliminated
the
fundraising
for
preservation
and
let's
reinstate
that
ordinance
and
let's
quit
taking
the
money
out
of
the
spur
cross
sales
tax
for
the
existing
uses
and,
let's
start
funding
preservation
again.
You
know
we
guys
spent
under
400
000
on
that
purchase,
which
was
phenomenal
deal.
O
O
I
haven't
changed
my
own
mind
on
the
Gateway
project,
I
think
that
is
being
built
for
non-residents
and
I.
Don't
believe
it's
going
to
provide
a
value
and
I
don't
really
care
about
somebody
throwing
us
twenty
thousand
or
seventy
thousand
or
a
hundred
thousand.
If
you
want
another
parking
lot
for
the
south
side
of
the
township,
let's
go
to
the
rodeo
Center.
O
That's
where
we're
going
to
be
putting
close
to
a
million
bucks
into
that
place
and
that's
where
we
can
have
parking
for
people
to
access
the
Cave
Creek
Park
and
it
would
make
them
about
the
same
distance
to
Spur
across
and
it
would
give
them
a
little
more
travel
down
to
the
Sonoran
preserve
to
do
their
thing.
But
I.
Just
those
are.
H
H
A
A
The
the
town
has
been
a
colony
of
its
Utility
Systems
for
20
years,
almost
20
years
now
we
see
the
end
of
the
of
that
phase
coming
in
20
2027,
with
the
start
of
the
bonds
rolling
off
and
it's
time
for
the
town
to
think
about
amenities.
It's
time
to
think
about
doing
things
that
other
towns
do
and
whatever
that
might
be.
A
F
Yes,
one
of
the
things
we
might
want
to
look
at
if
we're
looking
at
things
for
a
family
kind
of
events
is
putting
a
couple.
Small
playgrounds
in
you
know
one
down
on
the
town
core,
maybe
one
over
by
Saguaro
West,
because
they
have
a
lot
of
little
kids
over
there.
Just
something
to
do.
You
know
when
a
little
cover
things
doesn't
have
to
be
big,
but
that
would
really
enhance
you
know
folks,
coming
around
doing
things
with
the
families.