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From YouTube: 2017 12 06 Cedar City Council Work Meeting
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Weekly scheduled public City Council meetings for Cedar City, UT
B
C
Our
dear
Father,
in
Heaven,
we
humbly
bow
our
heads
before
the
end
assemble
this
night
as
a
group
of
citizens
and
colleagues,
and
we
give
thanks
Father
for
the
bounties
blessings
that
we
receive
each
day
at
thy
hand.
We
are
blessed
to
be
Aryan
living
in
a
free
country
and
in
a
community
where
we
can
exercise
our
amendments
and
and
our
free
rights
and
to
be
able
to
prosper
in
this
in
this
beautiful
community.
C
We're
grateful
for
the
process
of
government
for
city,
government
and
rayful
for
our
mayor
and
our
elected
officials
and
our
staff,
and
for
the
work
that
they
put
in
to
make
the
city
what
it
is
more
especially
grateful
for
our
staff
members
for
all
the
different
departments
and
all
that
they
do
to
make
things
run
smoothly.
We're
grateful
for
this
joyous
time
of
year
and
for
the
celebration
of
our
Savior
and
his
birth
father.
A
B
I
know
that
this
special
action
meeting
was
all
my
idea,
but
I've
I've
been
what
I
thought
would
be.
Nice
birthday
calls
all
day.
It
didn't
turn
out
that
way.
No,
so
it
appears
to
me
that
both
parties
on
both
sides
with
this
issue
would
like
some
more
time
so
I
would
ask
if
we
maybe
remove
this
from
tonight's.
So.
E
F
E
F
A
B
Mayor
that
there's
a
house
that
has
11
cars
parked
around
it
and
I.
It's
always
been
a
bother
to
me,
but
I
thought
as
long
as
the
neighbors
are
fine
with
it
I
guess,
that's
their
thing,
but
I
finally
heard
from
a
neighbor
this
week,
there's
cars
parked
on
both
sides
of
the
street
that
belong
to
this
home
they're
parking
on
what
used
to
be
the
lawn
and
it's
quite
quite
a
deal.
So
maybe
a
visit
from
a
code
enforcement
officer
to
that
address,
I
won't
say
the
address
in
public.
Could
you.
B
Secondly,
I
don't
like
to
bring
this
up
here,
but
I
think
I
need
to
because
it
kind
of
was
a
public
thing.
It
was
quite
a
difficult
vote
last
night,
but
I
I
learned
from
one
citizen
that
he
had
been
told
by
a
member
of
the
Planning
Commission
that
for
the
four
people
who
voted
in
favor
of
the
vote
last
night
were
all
personally
profiting
from
their
vote
and
that's
why
they
voted
the
way
they
did.
B
One
of
those
four
I
know
is
a
salaried
employee
of
the
school
district
and
the
only
way
that
he
could
personally
profit
profit
would
be
by
receiving
a
bribe
on
the
side,
which
is
a
an
extreme
insult
to
his
honor
he's
one
of
the
most
honorable
men
I
know.
I
would
ask
that
if
you
were
able
to
find
out
which
member
the
board
made
those
statements
that
citizen
that
that
person
be
immediately
removed
from
the
Planning
Commission
and.
B
B
Just
unethical
and
I
hope
everyone
here
understands
that
if,
if
every
one
of
us
recused
ourselves
from
everything
every
boat
that
takes
place
here,
we
would
never
vote
on
anything.
If,
because
these
are
active
people
in
the
community
and
we're
all
involved
in
some
way
or
another,
we
need
to
make
it
I.
Think
most
people
know
what
we
do
for
livings,
and
so
we
need
to
make
known
those
things.
But
we
we
don't
typically
recuse
ourselves,
because
we
would
never
get
anything
done
like
the
small
town
like
this.
H
B
Think
that
in
this
particular
case
mm-hmm
it
was
such
a
an
attachment
that
one
of
the
people
didn't
even
realize
that
they
were
attached
and
didn't
disclose.
That
may
have
been
part
of
it
well,
but
once
again,
I
would
ask
maybe
mr.
Pittman
they
the
Planning
Commission
being
almost
all
new
members.
They
need
some
training
and
if
you
and
mr.
A
C
Mayor
council
and
staff
Darrin
Adams,
representing
the
police
department
tonight
we're
going
to
swear
in
our
newest
officer.
This
is
officer
Matthew,
carpenter
and
I'm,
going
to
allow
him
a
few
minutes
to
introduce
himself
and
his
family
seated
behind
him,
but
we
are
very
excited
to
have
him
on
board.
He
was
a
previous
animal
control
officer
that
we
moved
up
he's
just
completed
an
additional
was
at
eight
and
a
half
weeks
11.
A
I
My
dad
my
brother,
who
were
both
in
law
enforcement,
my
father
and
mother-in-law
both
said
to
my
wife's
grandparents
and
her
brother
and
his
wife
and
their
kids
and
so
I'm
very
thankful
for
a
lot
of
support,
which
I
have
to
be
able
to
be
here
and
for
the
support
which
I
have
in
this
profession.
So
thank.
J
A
Okay,
then,
we
will
move
on
with
our
public
agenda.
Public
comment
portion,
if
you
have
a
comment
not
related
to
one
of
the
agenda,
items
feel
free
to
come
up
and
you
can
make
your
comment.
If
you
have
a
comment
related
to
the
agenda
item,
we
ask
that
you
just
kind
of
wave
your
hand
or
whatever
when
we
get
to
the
item,
so
I
can
notice
you,
so
it's
relevant
to
the
topic
at
hand
and
keep
your
comments
brief
and
please
state
your
name.
So
there
is
anyone
that
would
like
to
address
the
council.
L
We
all
know
that
last
Saturday
didn't
in
the
way
we'd
like
it
to
be
I'm
scott
phillips
by
the
way,
excuse
me
and
to
coach
warren
for
their
wonderful
awards,
he's
just
received,
and
I
just
think
that
it
was
a
wonderful
experience
for
all
of
us
who
had
an
opportunity
to
watch
them
fly
so
well
and
go
so
far
and
there's
just
congratulations
I,
just
like
it
in
public
record
that
they
are
recognized
and
admired
by
the
community.
Thank
you.
M
G
Don't
think
staff
has
much
information
for
you
that
the
request
from
the
patron
was
to
have
some
of
the
water
bill
waived.
You
don't
staff
really
have
a
good
explanation
as
to
why,
if
she's
not
here,
we
would
just
hold
this
from
the
agenda.
If
she
wants
to
come
back
and
talk
to
you
all
we'll
put
her
back
on.
H
A
G
N
Mayor
council,
my
name
is
Dave
Clark
and
I'm
with
flatten
Platt
and
we're
representing
the
owner
of
the
property
in
question.
The
general
plan
has
it
as
highway
service
right.
It's
these
five
parcels
right
here,
the
elementary
schools
to
the
north
east
of
these
Lots.
The
purpose
of
the
request
is
that
central
commercial
will
allow
him
to
put
more
office
space
than
highway
service
and
he's
maxed
out
his
where
he's
at
he
needs
to
build
some
more
office
space,
and
so
that's
the
bottom
line
to.
B
O
B
D
D
A
A
B
A
A
Okay,
seeing
no
one,
we
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
move
this
to
our
action
agenda.
Okay.
Item
number:
three
public
hearing
to
consider
an
ordinance
amending
the
zoning
from
highway
service
to
central
commercial
property
located
on
the
north,
which
should
be
south
side
200
North
from
600
West
to
700
west,
oh
yeah,
you
get
to
come
back
happen
mayor.
A
N
N
N
It's
changed
ownership
several
times
the
current
title
situation.
They
want
to
resolve
this,
so
these
parcels
are
actually
in
the
county.
Their
County
parcels
and
the
city
owns
this
little
piece
of
property.
In
here
they
on
this
side,
the
Canyon
Trail
is
up
in
here
a
little
bit
farther
just
off
the
map,
and
they
also
on
are
the
city
you
guys
young
up
in
this
area
as
well.
That's.
N
The
pavement
ends
right
here
and
then
it
and
then
it's
a
dirt
road
up
to
those
two
water
tanks,
the
new
one
that
was
built
about
a
year
ago
and
then
the
older
one.
This
right
here,
if
you
go
south,
just
go
straight
up
a
hillside
anyway,
there's
there's
that
existing
access
that
they've
been
utilizing.
Q
David
Westwood
yeah,
so
you're
right,
councilman
Cousins.
If
any
other
situation
there
be
a
prescriptive
easement,
there
would
be
any
issues.
I
represent
Jim,
Timmons
who's
kind
of
here,
where's
the
fancy
pointer.
Well
one
other
issue:
we
had
right
here
there
was
a
gap
in
the
legal
descriptions
that
happened
back
in
the
1950s
that
when
they
were
dealing
some
of
this
property,
they
failed
to
deed.
This,
so
I
was
involved
and
we
had
to
quiet
title.
Q
This
gap
track
people
ancestors
down
from
the
50s,
and
so
we
just
judged
bars
just
signed
off
on
an
order,
quiet,
titling
and
so
we're
just
trying
to
clean
this
up.
So
this
gentleman,
a
mr.
Timmons,
can
do
something
with
the
property,
because
the
title
companies
look
at
this
and
they're
not
touching
it,
because
we've
got
gaps
here,
we've
got
it.
We've
got
a
road
here
that
they
they
just,
he
can't
have
clean
title
to
and
so
we're
just
trying.
A
H
R
O
Q
N
K
G
T
O
G
Q
G
G
A
U
Etho
versus
doe
civil
good
evening,
we
can
leave
right
after
this
one
before
the
next
one.
This
is
a
little
development
that
we
had
in
front
of
the
Planning
Commission
last
meeting.
This
is
long
highway
up
here,
Sycamore
trail
here
this
Sycamore
trail
phase.
One
comes
in
about
like
this
Sycamore
trail
phase.
Two
is
right
over
here.
The
hunter
Glen
development
is
off
on
this
side
and
1600
North,
where
the
fire
station
is
is
just
down
here
by
the
floor.
I
love.
B
A
W
U
Rottweilers,
there's
probably
a
few
out
there.
Yes,
I,
haven't
been
bitten
by
one.
So
I
can't
tell
you
where
the
plan
here
is
to
do
some
townhouses
as
part
of
Sycamore
trail
phase
three.
This
is
the
last
portion
of
property
that
the
developer
owns
in
the
area
if
Front's
along
highway.
In
order
to
make
this
happen,
we've
got
to
improve
the
frontage
of
lund
highway
right
here.
Up
to
the
intersection
I
forget
how
many
units
we
have
on
there,
but
there
they're,
just
small
town
houses,
two
stories
tall
and
that's
the
plan.
X
O
B
X
Basically,
so
our
company
is
geo,
green
enterprises.
A
lot
of
you
know
us
as
Southwest
plumbing
supply,
and
we
you
know,
we've
run
into
a
bit
of
a
problem.
So
we've
we've
grown
a
lot
over
the
years.
I
was
just
looking
last
time.
I
came
in
here
and
asked
for
a
parallel
parking,
I
told
you.
We
had
80
employees,
60
of
them
in
Cedar
City,
and
we
now
have
165
employees
and
almost
90
of
them
in
Cedar
City.
Oh.
X
Oh
sorry,
angle,
parking
you're
right.
We
already
had
parallel
so
so,
along
with
this
growth,
we've
come
across
some
problems
and
the
problem
is
we
don't
enough
space
and
we
rent?
We
have
fourteen
different
warehouses
in
Cedar
City
and
which
you
know
seems
like
a
great
idea
until
the
landlord
comes
to
us
and
says:
hey,
we
want
you
out
and
that's
what's
happening
to
us.
So
we've
got
a
comp
with
the
solution,
absolutely
shouldn't.
We
have
quite
a
bit
of
property
on
Main
Street.
Some
of
it
is
undeveloped
and
we
want
to.
X
X
I'll
try
to
speak
better,
oh
so
we
want
to
build
a
pipe
shed.
It's
a
very
simple
pipe
shed.
It's
gonna
cost
us
like
20
thousand
dollars
and
we
came
in
to
get
our
building
permit
and
you
know
we
learned
that
in
order
to
get
the
building
permit,
we've
got
to
put
in
extensive
improvements
to
the
curb
and
gutter
around
the
property
and
property
has
three
roads:
Main
Street
675,
north
and
100
East.
X
X
Only
correct,
but
the
back
part
of
our
property
is
basically
a
dirt
road
that
goes
nowhere
and
does
nothing
it's
its
borders,
the
Golf
Course,
which
is
all
fenced
and
our
property,
which
is
all
fenced.
We
we
looked
up
our
security,
camera
data
and
last
week
we
checked
a
whole
day
and
we
got
about
four
cars
on
that
road
for
the
day
and
so
the
city's
saying
well
before
you
can
build
this
$20,000
pipe
shed.
X
We
need
you
to
put
in
forty
thousand
dollars
with
the
roads
and
you
know
improvements,
but
we
believe
we
could
do
a
lot
better
for
Cedar
City
in
our
economy
to
invest
that
forty
thousand
dollars
in
growing
our
business
with
a
promise
that
will
make
those
improvements
down
the
road
when
the
city
decides
that
the
street
merits
an
investment
I.
Had
my
PowerPoint
I'd
show
you
some
awesome
stuff
about
the
street,
but
since
I,
don't
are
you
familiar
with
that
road?
Any
with
you?
Okay,
maybe
you've
got
to
looked
at
it.
X
The
improvements
that
we're
being
asked
to
do
wouldn't
even
make
the
road
usable
it's
only
a
portion
of
it.
That's
only
one
side,
and
so
our
our
thought
is.
If
the
city
says
hey,
this
road
is
actually
going
to
start
being
used
and
it
has
a
purpose.
We
would
come
in
and
pay
for
the
improvements
alongside
of
the
investment
of
the
city,
and
we
think
that
that's
a
reasonable
request,
since
we're
going
to
put
in
all
the
other
improvements
that
they've
requested,
so
we're
just
asking
to
defer
those
improvements
and
I.
S
A
B
Have
a
thing
that
could
cut
either
way
on
this,
and
that's
my
time
here:
we've
had
four
times
I
think
we're
the
institutional
memory
of
the
city
has
failed
in
some
way
or
another
in
either
a
guy.
A
deal
was
made
with
the
guy
back
in
whatever
that
he
could
run
the
sewer
pipe
and
we
would
be
okay
with
it
in
this
kind
of
thing,
and
nobody
has
any
paperwork
to
show
what
happened.
B
A
B
X
Something
going
I
mean
we're
the
40,000
dollar
cash
bond.
We
would
never
agree
to
that.
We
would
probably
just
go:
get
shipping
containers
and
store
stuff
in
shipping
containers
or
we'd
pay
for
the
improvement,
which
would
cost
we
think
less
than
that,
and
it
would
be
done
partially.
The
road
still
hasn't
any
better
I
think.
B
F
On
the
thing
you
know,
I
look
back
it
when
I
bought
my
property
in
the
late
80s
down
on
935
West
Elm
industrial
Road.
The
city
wanted
me
to
do
the
same
thing,
because
we
were
the
first
ones
to
put
curb
and
gutter
in,
so
we
put
our
curb
and
gutter
in
and
paved
up
to
it
and
because
it
was
just
a
dirt
road.
F
The
same
kind
of
thing
you're
asking
for
that
when
they
did
the
street
I
would
pay
my
share
and
that's
exactly
what
happened
or
create
so
excellent
I
thought
it
worked,
and-
and
it
made
more
sense
than
putting
part
of
your
improvements
and
have
it
destroyed
and
just
pay
for
it.
When
everything
was
once
done
at
once.
So.
H
Y
D
H
X
H
A
A
T
Jonathan
stathis
of
this
number,
with
our
city
engineering
department,
I,
was
going
to
have
an
overhead
here,
but
we
received
five
bids
for
the
project.
The
low
bidder
was
stout
construction
they're,
the
ones
that
this
is
for
the
south
tank
up
behind
Home
Depot.
So
this
will
be
the
last
phase
of
the
project
to
finish
out
the
top
of
the
walls
and
then
the
the.
I
T
K
T
T
T
They
they
did
the
last
the
most
recent
phase
of
the
project
and
they
did
a
good
job
so
they're
there
from
their
familiar
with
the
tank
and
everything,
and
so
they
could
come
right
in
and
get
it
done
quickly,
and
so
our
plan
is
to
take
it
out
of
service
towards
the
end
of
the
month
and
then
have
it
back
in
service,
probably
about
mid-april
back
in
service
before
we
hit
the
peak
summer
season.
So
that's
why
we're
trying
to
get
the
project
going
right
now,
so
we
can
get
it
done
during
the
winter.
T
T
T
Unfortunately,
we
just
kind
of
hit
a
bad
timing
with
the
construction
costs
and
contractors
being
so
busy.
I
think
that
kind
of
hurt
us
a
little
bit
on
this
project,
but
we
have
we've
worked
with
Mac
URI
before
he's
done.
He'd
actually
did
the
last
mile
house
for
us
and
he
did
a
really
good
job,
so
we'd
feel
comfortable
going
with
him,
but.
T
So
anyway,
that's
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at,
and
you
know,
I
it's
unfortunate
that
it's
our
budget
I
know
we
elected
some
options
of
you
know,
maybe
looking
at
bidding
it
out
again,
but
I
I
just
worry
about
taking
extra
time
to
do
that.
Otherwise
we
could.
It's
can
enjoy
the
project
I'd
like
to
get
this
up
and
going
before
this
summer.
So.
B
T
Z
So
we'll
just
be
doing
a
budget
revision
next
month.
I'll
include
the
additional
cost
in
that
revision,
we're
just
in
a
construction
environment
right
now,
that's
a
little
less
favorable.
For
us.
Some
of
our
older
projections
are
for
different
circumstances
and
constructions
price
here
right
now,
so
we
may
have
other
projects
that
we
have
to
revisit
those
budgets.
AA
T
So
this
is
part
of
that
part
of
the
same
project.
We've
been
working
with
Dorset
on
on
the
city
SCADA
system.
The
SCADA
system
is
how
the
water
department
and
other
departments
monitor
and
operate
remotely
these
these
sites,
and,
and
so
we've
we've
just
that's
what
door
said
and
come
up
with
a
contract
to
have
them
do
both
the
design
and
the
installation
of
the
SCADA
system
at
this
new
well
and
cost
is
about
thirty
thousand
dollars,
and
so
that's
so
that's
included
in
that
additional
money.
A
T
T
T
A
F
F
T
T
B
A
T
So,
as
part
of
this
anytime,
the
power
company
does
a
new
service.
Now
they
require
whoever's
getting
the
service
to
them
and
easy
and
for
their
power
lines
it's
going
to
be
a
15
foot
wide
easement,
it's
about
a
hundred
foot
long
and
this
this
was
reviewed
by
the
Planning
Commission.
They
gave
a
positive
recommendation,
and
so
now
just
it's
just
coming
to
the
City
Council.
AB
Mike
Phillips
fire
department,
very
counseling
staff-
we're
here
to
ask
to
take
wildland
money
out
of
the
capital
reserve
account
and
buy
a
new
brush
truck.
This
money
was
safe
for
this
purpose
and
it
matches
with
our
business
plan
that
we
have
the
reason
we're
trying
to
get
it
done
now
is
so
we
can
have
it
ready
for
the
2018
while
and
seasoned
just
a
side.
Note
this
truck
left
this
morning
for
the
California
fires,
I
was
gonna,
ask
and
then
engine
31
leaves
tomorrow
morning
to
go
the
fires
in
California
and.
AB
One
of
the
great
big
pumpers
structure,
pumpers,
so
in
the
write
up
you
can
see
in
this
fire
season.
This
trucks
been
our
workhorse.
It's
made
it's
about
a
hundred,
sixty
three
thousand
dollars
after
the
California
fire.
It's
going
to
be
quite
a
bit
more,
so
we
just
like
to
purchase
this
truck
and
then,
with
that
this
last
year,
we've
burned
just
shy
of
five
hundred
thousand
after
the
California
fires
will
exceed
a
half
a
million
dollars
of
revenue.
AB
A
AC
So
this
is
about
the
same
as
it
was
last
year.
We
hold
action,
is
the
first
third
work
meetings,
a
second
fourth,
let's
see
to
27th,
we
will
have
an
action
and
a
work
meeting
and
no
meeting
on
July
4th
no
meeting
on
September
12th
because
of
the
league
meetings.
We
thought
lake
and
actually
weren't
made
on
September
19th
to
cover
that
and
then
no
meeting
on
November
23rd
the
day
before
Thanksgiving
and
no
meeting
on
December
26.
K
A
AD
Dogs
I'm
the
vice
president
for
finance
and
administration
at
SU
you,
as
I,
was
sitting
there.
I
couldn't
help,
but
think
of
that
that
wonderful
movie
by
Bill
Murray
of
Groundhog
Day,
that
it
seems
we
we
keep
coming
back
and
I
made
reference
to
that
last
one
having
a
conversation,
so
I
I
appreciated
all
the
effort
that
has
gone
into
this,
both
on
on
the
city
side
with
the
staff
members
we've
worked
with
those
in
the
community
and
and
for
all
of
the
effort
that
has
been
made
a
number
of
years
ago.
AD
We
didn't
arrive
at
that
point
last
night
and
I
think
this
is
a
community
made
up
of
fans
that
that
love
each
other
go
to
church
together,
work
together
and
so
forth,
since
I
I
think
we're
part
of
the
problem
that
has
initiated
this.
The
group
has
asked
that
I
come
and
again
just
hit
a
few
points
and
I
and
I'll
be
very
brief,
because
I
think
many
of
you've
heard
this
already
seu
grows
at
a
rate
of
about
20.
AD
A
doubles
in
enrollment
about
every
20
years
is
what
the
numbers
have
pointed
out,
and
this
fall
semester.
We
have
reached
10,000
over
ten
thousand
two
hundred
students,
so
we
finally
have
have
reached
that
point
of
ten
thousand
students.
It
is
a
wonderful
thing
for
those
of
us
who
work
over
at
the
institution
that
there
are
that
many
students
who
are
anxious
to
come
here
that
love
Cedar,
City
love
the
environment
of
our
school
and
the
opportunity
to
get
a
great
education
here,
and
so
growth
becomes
one
of
those
critical
issues.
AD
We've
had
a
number
of
conversations
with,
but
with
you
I
think
in
in
separate
meetings.
The
mayor
and
city
council
and
staff
about
two
challenges
we
see
as
an
institution
to
accommodate
growth
and
one
of
those
is
housing
which,
which
is
why
we're
here
tonight
the
other
is
jobs
for
students
and
those
two
factors
will
really
start
to
limit
how
many
students
can
come
to
Cedar,
City
and
suu
on
the
trajectory
that
we're
on.
AD
We.
We
of
course
are
going
to
open
in
the
fall
320
new
beds
on
campus,
we're
grateful
for
that.
The
many
parents
who
come
and
bring
their
children
here
that
when
they
find
out
our
dorms,
are
full
go
to
another
school
because
they
want
Johnny
or
Susie
living
on
campus
and
and
close
to
all
of
the
events
and
activities
on
campus
and
also
for
a
sense
of
safety
and
security.
AD
I'm,
not
anxious,
quite
frankly,
to
build
additional
housing.
We
have
space.
We
have
the
lot
that
juniper
Hall
sat
on.
We've
had
a
lot
of
pressure
internally
at
the
university
to
rebuild
juniper,
Hall
and
I.
Suppose
that
someday.
That
will
happen.
Our
hope
is,
and
part
of
our
involvement
with
this
group
of
developers
is
that
we
really
believe
that
that
the
private
sector
is
better
poised
and
prepared
to
address
the
student
housing
challenge
here
in
in
Cedar
City
and
to
help
the
universe
city
out.
AD
There
will
never
be
a
day
when
we
have
enough
housing
to
accommodate
all
the
students
who
come
as
I
mentioned,
hitting
10,000
85%
of
our
students
are
taking
at
least
one
class
on
campus
face
to
face.
So
we
are
not
an
online
institution
by
any
means.
Most
of
those
students
are
coming
here.
We
are
not
a
commuter
campus
as
UVU
and
Weber
and
Dixie
largely
are
that
don't
have
to
worry
much
about
housing,
their
students
because
we're
in
a
community
of
30
or
so
thousand.
AD
We
have
to
provide
beds
for
the
students
for
most
of
these
students
who
end
up
coming
here
and
and
by
way
of
reminder-
and
this
has
come
up
numerous
times
in
our
meetings
as
a
state
entity.
The
state
has
a
division
of
facilities
and
construction
management.
That
is
the
arm
of
state
government
that
builds
all
state
buildings
and
or
at
least
oversees.
The
management
of
those
Wendie
FCM
gets
involved
in
those
projects,
often
they're
hiring
major
contractors
out
of
the
Salt
Lake
Valley.
AD
We
push
them
and
try
to
get
them
to
use
local
contractors
wherever
we
can,
but
their
standards
are
different
than
others
and
and
our
housing
at
the
University.
Now
is
just
a
half
a
stall
per
bed
which
has
been
more
than
adequate
because
we
always
have
vacant
stalls
in
the
parking
lots
around
around
our
dorms.
You
know
one.
Let
me
make
this
my
concluding
comment.
AD
I
know
last
night
in
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
parking
on
campus
and
and
we
have
had
in
fact,
if
I
had
a
nickel
for
every
time.
Somebody
said
why
don't
you
build
a
parking
garage,
I
could
retire.
I
could
build
a
parking
garage
and
do
that
it
costs
about.
As
president
mentioned
last
night,
though,
his
math
was
off
a
little
bit
$20,000
per
stall
to
build
a
parking
garage.
AD
Now
the
big
free
lot
that
most
of
us
use
when
we
go
to
Shakespeare,
plays
that's
kitty-corner
to
the
Shakespeare
and
Summa
museum
has
a
little
over
800
stalls
in
it.
So
to
build
that
many
stalls
in
a
parking
garage
situation
would
cost
16
million
dollars
the
state
and
the
taxpayers
will
not
contribute
a
dime
to
building
a
parking
garage
because
it's
an
auxilary
service.
AD
So
as
a
university,
we
would
have
to
fund
that
project
and
the
only
funding
that
I
could
come
up
with
to
build
parking
garage
would
be
to
charge
everyone
who
perks
in
it
and,
as
you
know,
students
like
to
be
cheap
and
in
fact
employees
like
to
be
cheap.
So
we
could
build
a
parking
stall
to
help
address
the
problem,
but
it
wouldn't
get
used
very
much
based
on
the
fees
we'd
have
to
church
so
I
hope
again
tonight.
AD
Our
conversation
will
be
focused
on
the
issue
at
hand,
which
is
really
trying
to
build
additional
housing
immediately
around
campus
in
an
r3
zone
in
that
overlay
zone.
That's
a
quarter
mile
around
the
university
proper
and
to
have
a
conversation
about
what's
the
right
number
stalls.
Quite
frankly,
our
experience
is
it's
a
lot
less
than
what
has.
AD
B
B
AD
B
AD
No
I
wish
we
had
a
I
wish.
We
had
a
net
gain.
The
parking
that
we
put
in
at
juniper
Hall
is
is
actually
comparable
to
what
we
lost.
Four
founders
Hall
and
the
parking
that
we've
lost.
Building
the
business
building
is
just
a
loss
of
parking.
Again
it's
worth
mentioning,
and-
and
this
came
up
last
night,
we
we
have
hundreds
literally
hundreds
of
parking
stalls
vacant
every
on
campus
they're,
just
around
the
football
field
in
the
old
baseball
field,
and
so.
B
Hey
have
you
changed
I
I
wrote
to
Tiger
funk.
I
was
surprised
to
see
that
you
had
made
the
parking
over
by
the
stadium
a
parking
and
I
said.
There's
no
one
parking.
There
I
thought
this
was
free
and
he
said
you
were
considering
cutting
that
parking
lot
in
half
at
least
to
make
half
of
that
the
the
more
western
part
of
it
for
you,
yeah.
AD
AD
We
we
got
taken
to
the
woodshed
by
the
students,
because,
frankly,
we
oversold
the
parking,
lots
and
students
came
back
and
droves
and
said
you're
just
ripping
us
off
trying
to
get
rich
because
you're
selling
us
parking
permits
and
the
reality
is,
there's
never
a
parking
stall
for
us
to
use
the
permit
so
we're
ending
up
in
free
Lots
anyway.
So
this
year
we
said,
that's
a
fair
point:
we
surveyed
how
many
stalls
were
being
used,
how
many
permits
were
being
used
and
so
forth,
and
we
restricted
the
number
of
parking
permits
that
we
sold.
AD
The
original
number,
as
I
recall,
was
about
1500
permits,
but
I'd
have
to
tiger
would
know
the
the
statistics
on
this
better.
So
so,
then
we
got
a
number
of
complaints
from
the
community
and
others
that
how
stupid
can
you
be
quite
frankly
that
you
would
restrict
the
number
of
parking
permits
and
it
was
really
a
response
to
the
complaints
from
students.
So
we've
continued
to
monitor
all
of
our
Lots
and
look
at
how
many
stalls
are
not
being
used.
AD
We
recently
added
an
additional
500
permits
for
sale
about
a
month
ago
on
campus,
because
we
determined
that
that
trying
to
find
the
right
balance
we
still
had
vacant
stalls
in
permitted
Lots.
So
we've
issued
more
permits
I'm
happy
to
go
back
to
no
permits
president
Wyatt.
If
he
had
his
preference,
wouldn't
have
permits
or
assigned
Lots
anything.
Every
part.
Stalin
campus
would
be
open
and
free
to
anybody
who
wants
to
use
and
and
we've
not
quite
gone
there.
AD
Our
boy,
if
we
had
our
preference
on
how
donations
came
in
from
those
big
foundations,
it
would
always
be
on
scholarships
to
help
students
out
with
the
cost
of
attendance,
but
it's
hard
to
put
a
name
on
a
student,
and
so
they
are
generous
when
it
comes
to
buildings.
Nobody
has
interest
in
dorms
or
parking
structures
or
anything.
That's
not
really.
Sexy.
A
I
know
that
there
are
people
here
that
want
to
address
the
council
on
this
issue.
So
we
just
ask
that
you
keep
your
comments,
brief
and
don't
repeat,
preferably
what
other
people
have
said
and
make
sure
you
state,
your
name
or
I
will
cut
you
off
halfway
through
your
statement
to
have
you
state
your
name.
B
A
AE
Mayor
council,
I'm,
Andy,
thunder
Burke
I
represent
the
Iron
County
Home
Builders
Association
current
president,
and
this
ordinance
changes
in
our
radar
because
we
feel
like.
Obviously
there
is
a
need
for
more
student
housing.
We
want
to
be
available
and
have
the
opportunity
to
fill
that
need
we,
as
Marvin
mentioned.
If
you
know,
there's
two
ways
that
this
can
do.
This
can
go
about
either
either
the
need
for
student
housing
is
met
by
local
contractors
or
its
handled
by
the
state
construction
management
company
that
they
would
hire.
AE
Zero
has
a
couple
printouts
we'll
hand
out
in
a
minute,
but
I
think
he
brought
some
but
I'll
kind
of
explain.
Currently
double
occupancy
housing
has
a
one
point:
three
per
double
occupancy
of
parking
requirement.
What
is
in
demand
right
now
is
single
occupancy
rooms
and,
and
that
requirement
at
point
eight
five
is
much
higher
per
student.
It
adds
to
the
construction,
cost
the
land
acquisition
needed
for
the
parking
and
so
I
just
think
that,
as
the
homeowner
association,
as
our
board
has
discussed
this,
we
just
feel
like
this
review
and
changes.
AE
This
ordinance
could
benefit
local
contractors
in
in
building
these
projects
and
in
keeping
a
lot
of
the
money,
these
projects,
local
and
building
our
local
economy.
So
I
think
that's
that's
our
feeling
and
that's
that's.
Our
concern
is
that
that
that,
if
it's
not
filled
by
our
contractors,
it'll
be
filled
by
out
of
state
or
out
of
ten
excuse
me
out
of
town
contractors,
and
we
want
to
be
part
of
it.
So
so.
F
AE
That's
what
we're
asking
for
two
point:
six,
five
and
and
the
reality
is
and
I
think
I.
Think
Marvin.
President
Wyatt
has
both
mentioned
this
in
past
meetings
that
that,
if
you
know
if,
if
this
project
has
taken
over
by
the
state
construction
management,
that
requirement
doesn't
exist
for
them.
So
it
doesn't.
AF
AF
It
actually
is
bringing
the
gotten
the
parking
back
into
par
with
the
current
ordinance
for
double
occupancy,
bedroom
apartments
or
apartments
buildings
outside
of
the
quarter
mile
zone
I,
provided
you
with
an
example
here
that
compared
side-by-side
similar
buildings
with
the
same
number
of
units,
the
same
number
students.
However,
if
you
have
a
single
occupancy
bedroom
unit,
you're
and
you're
within
the
quarter
mile
zone,
the
the
parking
requirement
is
0.85
squats
per
per
student,
our
poor
bedroom.
AF
Pardon
me
that
equates
to
81
in
this
example
81
parking
spots
for
the
for
the
structure
where,
if
you
were
doing
double
occupancy,
bedrooms
would
only
be
62
so
there's
a
penalty
for
the
developer,
who
builds
single
occupancy
bedrooms
of
nearly
20
spots.
That
equates
to
about
5,000
square
feet
of
additional
property
that
the
developer
will
need
to
purchase
and
in
pave
to
put
in
parking
stalls
an
area
about
a
hundred
by
50,
which
would
be
a
fairly
substantial
sacrifice,
and
in
this
case
it's
a
penalty.
We're
asking
that
you
make
by
changing
to
0.65.
AF
You
make
the
the
requirement
the
requirement
for
single
occupancy,
occupancy
bedroom
apartments,
the
same
or
fair,
with
what
we're
requiring.
If
the,
if
two
our
double
I
can
see,
bedrooms
are
built
for
the
same
units
right
now.
It's
not
fair
we're
actually
penalizing
those
who
want
to
build
apartment
complexes
have
to
go
the
extra
expense
of
putting
in
extra
doors
and
extra
walls
they're,
also
having
to
buy
additional
5,000
square
feet
of
property.
To
put
on.
AF
You
put
a
wall
between
the
two
beds,
then
again,
then
all
of
a
sudden
teases
then
all
of
a
sudden
we
have
to
build
20
more
spaces.
It
doesn't
seem
fair,
the
markets
calling
now
for
single
occupancy
bedrooms.
That's
what
our
that's!
What
we
raised
our
kids
in
this
world,
where
privacy
is
more
and
more
important
to
two
people,
that's
what
that's!
What
the
students?
That's,
what
a
resonance
Wan
is
privacy
to
accommodate
that
that's
what's
being
built
by
by
our
developers,
but
as
a
result,
they're
being
penalized.
AF
AF
AF
AF
Right
now,
currently,
it's
0.65
for
double
occupancy
bedrooms,
but
yet
we
have
imposed
a
penalty
for
single
occupancy,
we're
requiring
a
higher
number.
We
should
be.
We
should
be
comparable,
it
should
be
the
same.
The
same
standard
should
be
applied
to
either
type
of
structure.
It
should
make
no
difference.
They
both
they
both
accommodate
the
same
number
of
students,
the
same
number
of
rooms.
Those
same
students
will
have
same
number
of
cars.
It
really
really
is
no
change.
It's
a
it's
just
calling
for
equity.
B
A
Concern
and
I
remember
this
from
last
time.
We
had
this
conversation
is
that
some
of
the
things
that
were
brought
up
or
like
when
there's
snowstorms
and
you
push
snow
in
the
parking
lot
and
that
blocks
stalls
and
some
of
those
issues
have
taken
up
spaces
for
the
winter
season,
where
most
people
actually
are
parking
cars
if
they
have
them,
because
people
don't
like
to
be
in
the
snow
are.
B
A
AF
Built
two
buildings:
there
were
or
16
unit
buildings,
with
six
students
to
a
building
or
six
residents
to
a
building
that
just
shows
the
difference
or
the
characterizes
the
penalty
that
your
that
the
ordinance
currently
assesses
to
a
individual
who
happens
to
choose
to
build
the
single
occupancy
bedroom.
It's
it
I
think
it's
an
unfair
burden
were
putting
on
those
people
who
want
to
build
the
kind
of
nowadays
the
developers
are
going
to
build
the
kind
of
apartments
that
that
the
market
wants
and
they're
willing
to
pay
for.
Well,.
F
And
another
thing
I
appreciate
it
was
I
talked
to
chief
Phillips
about
this
and
he'd.
Much
rather
get
these
students
out
of
homes
and
basement
have
no
egress.
That's
where
the
real
danger
is
in
fires
is
there's
kids
can't
get
out
of
a
basement.
There's
fire.
These
new
buildings
are
building
there,
haven't
their
sprinklers
and
they're
safe,
and
we
have
parking.
That's
where
you
have
problems
with
parking
is,
is
when
somebody
passes
away
and
they
they
take
their
home
and
they
ran
it
to
eight
students
and
they
that's
where
they're.
AG
K
B
You
thank
you.
The
I
think
I've
referenced
this
before.
If
I
haven't
I
will
now
I
saw
program.
What's
about
the
difference
between
Singapore
in
India,
Singapore
is
a
piece
of
rock
as
no
natural
resources,
but
you
walk
in.
You
can
get
a
business
license
in
three
minutes
and
they're
one
of
the
richest
pieces
of
rock
on
the
earth
India.
B
It
takes
three
years
to
get
a
business
license
with
all
the
resources
they
have,
and
it's
because
this
three
years
of
governmental
intervention
that
that
slows
down
the
commerce
of
the
city,
I'm
I'm
for
I'm,
for
making
absolutely
sure
that
we
are
reasonably
cautious.
We
can't
guarantee
anyone
safety.
We
could
all
be
hit
by
a
meteorite
while
we're
sitting
here,
but
I,
don't
like
to
see
our
ordinances
slowing
down
the
commerce
of
the
city
by
adding
undue
things.
B
If
we
can
see
that
there
is
an
absolute
danger
to
students
with
this
kind
of
parking
which
looks
like
we've
been
living
with
the
fine
under
the
double
occupancy,
that's
one
thing,
but
if
we're
just
doing
it,
because
no
one
owns
this
on
fear
and
superstition
rather
than
cold
hard
facts,
then
I
don't
like
to
see
the
government
getting
in
the
way
of
the
the
Commerce
and
the
well-being
and
the
thriving
of
the
city
and
slowing
things
down
I'm.
Sorry,
sir,
you
were
about
to
get
up.
AH
AH
Want
to
talk
and
I
could
have
two
case
on
my
name-
is
Becky
DeMille
and
so
just
to
address
this.
So
we
have
apartments
that
we
have
built
and
we
have
to
have
1.3
per
bedroom,
so
I
built
eight
apartments
and
I
have
to
have
16
stalls
and
then
across
the
street
from
me,
Dixie
Levitt
has
50
50
students
in
there
and
his
parking.
AH
He
says
it's
adequate,
but
so
last
year,
when
we
paved
our
parking
lot,
all
my
students
had
to
go
out
in
the
street
to
park
and
at
that
point
then
Dixie
Olson
didn't
have
any
parking.
So
what
happened
is
I
had
a
we
had
the
parking
lot
cleared
and
a
student
come
in
part
in
our
parking
lot,
and
here
comes
the
paving
crew
and
so
I
didn't
want
to
tow
him.
AH
Kids,
it's
50,
but
so
he
come
to
my
door
and
I
says:
where
do
you
live
and
he
says:
I
live
in
Dixie,
Levis
and
I
says.
Ok,
he
said
my
choice
was
to
park
at
the
South
Elementary,
which
I
live
on
for
50
or,
and
he
seen
that
empty
parking
lot.
So
he
chose
to
park
there.
So
at
that
point
I
talked
to
the
Levites
and
they
did
cover
his
cost
cos.
So
I
just
don't
understand
the
fair.
Where.
G
AH
So
our
so
when
you
concern
that
issue,
they
say:
well,
you
don't
own
the
street,
but
if
you
have
this
parking
like,
if
you
build
these
structures
and
you
have
parking
for
them
to
be
there
all
the
time,
then
it
causes
more
trouble
because
the
cars
are
going
to
be
stuck
out
on
the
street
all
the
time.
So
then
it's
not
fair
for
so
in
a
way
their
own.
AH
D
AH
If
there's
not
an
adequate
parking,
they're
gonna
park
in
the
street,
then
they're
gonna
be
permanent,
so
people
that
come
to
the
University
for
other
things,
they'll
be
permanent
there
and
they
tell
us
like
we
don't
on
the
street,
for
our
kids
to
park
in
front
yeah
I
mean
so
that's
a
real
issue
so
anyway,
but
but
so
the
parking
I
feels
inadequate
and
adequate.
Then
they
have
the
wrong
information.
Unless
I
get
to
take
away
ten
of
mine,
you
know
it
just
has
to
be
like.
AI
O
R
R
Sort
of
give
a
snapshot.
What
goes
on
at
one
o'clock
in
the
afternoon
in
our
community,
our
neighborhoods
and
I
went
on
SEC
seventh
west
seventh
West
comes
into
the
university
area.
I
went
up
seventh
West
two
full
blocks
at
1:00
p.m.
in
the
afternoon.
There
was
not
one
space
on
the
street
to
park.
That's.
R
R
then
after
mr.
Levitt
came
and
spoke
to
us
on
that
particular
evening,
and
he
was
talking
about
his
projects
and
how
they're
going
to
accommodate
a
bunch
of
foreign
students
who
don't
bring
cars,
and
he
really
didn't
think
I
mean
he
was
making
an
exaggerated
point.
I
mean
he
intended
to
make
an
exaggerated
point,
but
he
didn't
think
all
the
parking
spaces.
R
So
after
that
project
got
opened
last,
as
last
fall,
I
went
at
4
a.m.
three
weeks
after
school
started.
Last
fall
and
I
went
into
that
parking
lot
that
wasn't
going
to
be
used
by
all
these
foreign
students
who
didn't
need
a
car
and
I
counted
11
spaces
available.
There
were
no
cars
parked
at
this
on
the
street
from
the
project
of
it
4:00
in
the
morning,
but
there
were
only
11
spaces
available.
R
So
now
what
happens
with
students.
So
in
going
and
I
came
here
last
time
and
I
said,
we
really
have
a
bad
example
of
how
we
have
to
plan.
We
have
Provo
Utah,
we
have
Provo
Utah,
whose
University
grew
phenomenally
during
the
50s
and
60s,
and
no
one
really
had
any
thought
or
forethought
of
parking,
and
you
go
up
in
a
Provo
Utah
from
basically
Center
Street
to
eight
North,
which
borders
the
University
campus,
and
you
go
from
university
over
to
ninth
east.
That
is
a
completely
glided
rental
area
that
is
choked
with
parking
problems.
R
Those
parking
problems
have
initiated
some
pretty
interesting
home
businesses
in
these
home.
Businesses
are
they're,
towing
services
and
they
put
boots
on
people's
cars.
A
lot
of
these
people
who
have
boots
put
on
their
cars
are
guests
in
the
community.
They
don't
know
the
parking
these
parking
requirements.
They
got
special
little
signs,
you
need
to
have
special
parking
code,
and-
and
this
has
a
side
track
in
Provo,
almost
in
the
years
that
I
lived
there,
it
seemed
like
almost
every
council
meeting,
had
a
parking
issue
on
the
docket
yeah.
It
was
part
of
the
agenda.
R
You
go
to
the
parking
ordinances
of
Provo
Utah,
it's
six
thin
small
printed
pages
of
parking
ordinance.
Three
of
those
pages
are
how
what
you
get
to
do
when
you
get
your
ticket
or
when
you
get
your
boot
or
when
you
get
your
car
towed
and
three
of
those
pages
are
also
included
how
those
kinds
of
cottage
businesses
get
to
manage
when
they
can
tow
a
car
and
when
they
can
boot
a
car
and
and
all
the
impoundment
kind
of
issues.
R
It's
all,
because
the
things
in
Provo
happened
unplanned
well
down
the
road
from
Provo
we
have
armed
arm
saw
what
Provo
went
through
and
and
and
so
when
UVU
got
started
arm.
The
no
arm
has
gone
gone
through
some
evolution
in
their
parking
ordinances
and,
and
they
truly
are
a
city
that
sat
next
to
the
worst
example
in
our
state.
R
We
have
to
sit
there
and
go
what
is
the
quality
of
life
and
access
to
our
properties
that
we
want
around
the
university?
And
if
we
don't
get
the
quality
of
life,
we're
gonna
have
sister
to
mill
or
misses
the
mill
come
up.
Excuse
me,
I
didn't
mean
to
call
we're
going
to
have
many
like
her
come
up.
Saying:
I
need
parking
in
front
of
my
house
so.
R
I'm
now
I
I,
don't
think
we
should
walk
into
this
room
with
I
thought.
Last
time
when,
when
the
engineer
came,
he
did
some
good
County
and
I
went
and
I
verified
his
county
by
the
way
he
had
some
good
County
and
stuff
I,
but,
like
I
said,
I
went,
I,
went
and
looked
at
the
new
project
that
wasn't
supposed
to
have
any
any
parking
needs
and
I
found
something
else.
R
I
looked
and
nationally
around
our
big
urban
areas,
people
aren't
there
they're
not
buying
as
many
cars
there's
a
few
states
where
the
individual
buys
more
cars.
That's
your
talk.
We're
we're
among
those
states
to
buy
more
cars.
You
go
to
New
York
City
people
are
buying
cars,
they're
getting
rid
of
the
cars
San
Francisco
they're,
getting
rid
of
the
cars,
but
in
Utah
we're
adding
to
our
call
car
storage,
so
I'm
saying
that
and
I'm
gonna
be
done,
I'm
just
reminding
everybody.
What
I
did
last
time
I'm
willing
to
put
the
reports
together?
R
I
didn't
bring
any
photographic
evidence
of
my
stories
this
evening.
I
have
photographic
evidence.
I
can
put
forth
any
kind
of
evidence.
If
anything,
you
know
we
need
to
sit
and
really
have
some
really
good
discussions
with
maybe
some
of
the
folks
up
a
norm.
What
are
they
learned
and
what
do
they
do,
but
we're
we
don't
need
to
reinvent
the
wheel
here.
We
already
know
what
the
disaster
can
be
and
we
don't
really
need
to
reinvent
the
wheel
and
we're
back
to
reinventing
the
wheel
again
and
I.
R
R
That's
what
I
got
to
say,
but
it
will
and
it
will
impact
her
everything
he'll.
It
will
impact
our
little
community
if
we
grow.
If
we
grow,
like
Marvin
dodge,
says
a
quarter
mile
around
the
university.
That's
two
blocks
all
the
way
down
the
university:
that's
down
to
four
South,
that's
four
south
and
from
Main
Street
all
the
way
to
the
freeway.
We
lose
it
so.
G
J
B
J
J
I
assumed
that
the
developers
here
in
city
city
that
are
pushing
for
this
change
had
done
some
type
of
big
study
and
and
would
be
presenting
a
report
justifying
the
change
I
in
talking
to
all
the
Zoning
departments.
I
realized
that
every
one
of
them
said
we
need
to
go
up
not
down,
but
so
I'm
sitting
there
thinking.
Well,
what
kind
of
evidence
are
they
going
to
bring
in
that?
J
We
should
lower
our
parking
thing
so
I'm
waiting
for
this
report
yesterday
in
the
meeting,
and
they
showed
a
picture
of
a
parking
lot
with
a
few
empty
spaces.
Saying
look:
we
didn't
fill
our
parking
lot
this
year
and
when
will
you
get
a
couple
students
extra
students
next
year
with
cars,
you'll
fill
it
on
that
one
thing.
J
Then
let
me
say:
I'm
just
going
to
say
now
what
it's
funny
mr.
Dahle
darling.
It
was
funny
what
he
said,
because
I
confirmed
what
he
said
with
probe
when
some
of
with
UVU.
These
are
what
the
ordinances
Curly
currently
are
for.
Other
universities
in
utah
for
a
four
bedroom
double
occupancy
for
BYU.
You
need
eight
and
one
quarter,
stalls,
one
stall
for
every
student
and
a
quarter
stall
for
any
guests
that
might
be
showing
up.
They
told
me
the
same
thing
he
did.
J
They
said
50%
of
city
council
meetings
are
spent
on
75
square
blocks
of
parking
problems.
Toe
tuck
trucks
are
a
cottage
industry
and
they
said
you
need
to
get
a
grasp
on
your
parking
there
in
Cedar
City.
Now,
if
you
are
planning
to
grow
like
the
University
keeps
boasting
they're
going
to
grow
and
they,
so
they
are
at
one
space
per
student
and
a
little
extra
for
for
guess.
J
Then
we
go
down
to
st.
George,
that's
pretty
much
exactly
our
size.
If
it's
under
a
10
unit
building,
you
need
eight
four,
eight
students,
you
need
eight
spaces
and
a
third
one
space
for
every
student
and
a
third
for
a
guess.
If
you
do
a
large
unit,
that
is
over
10
units
you're
at
0.75
per
stupor
student
with
1/3
extra
space
for
guess,
but
they
have
a
huge
contract
that
the
developer,
the
owner
of
the
building,
needs
to
only
allow
75%
of
their
students
to
have
cars.
J
They
need
to
have
a
signed
contract
with
a
student
that
they
will
not
have
a
car
and
they
need
to
submit
that
to
the
city
every
semester
as
a
way
of
controlling
parking.
So
there
won't
be
so
again
it
comes
down
to
one
space
per
per
student,
so
we're
at
eight
and
a
quarter
eight
and
a
third.
Then
we
go
to
Logan
six
and
a
third
Ogden
five
point:
six.
J
We
are
currently
tied
with
UVU
for
the
lowest
spaces
required
now
I'm
in
that
City
Council
me
or
the
planning
meeting
yesterday,
I'm
going,
we
are
tied
for
the
lowest
spaces
required
in
the
state
and
we
want
to
take
it.
Lower
I
went
that
should
stop
him
right
there,
but
they
pass.
I
was
just
in
shock
when
they
said
send
it
on
I
just
was
flabbergasted
so
UVU,
who
has
at
UVU,
who
has
tied
with
us
at
the
5.2
in
talking
to
Christina
Haycock
who's,
the
head
of
their
zoning
department
there.
J
This
is
a
quote
from
here.
She
said.
We
are
currently
at
six
point,
five
point,
six
five
and
it
is
a
nightmare.
She
said
to
do
anything
to
stop
Cedar
City
from
lowering
it.
They
are
in
the
process
of
changing
it
to
one
student
per
stall,
0.65
0.65.
So
the
same
is
the
same
as
what
we're
trying
to
get
everything
to.
B
J
But
they
had
that
point.
Six
five
is
better
than
than
BYU
was
doing
before
and
but
but
they've
BYU
has
since
gone
to
one
stall
per
student
and-
and
she
just
went
on
to
me
for
she
went
on
for
ten,
it's
talking
about
the
nightmares
of
the
0.65
and
that
the
complaints
that
she
goes,
everything
we
are
going
to
one
stall
per
student.
She
said
do
anything
you
can
to
stop
Cedar
City
from
lowering
it
and
you
need
to
get
it
get
them
to
raise
it.
J
My
proposal
is
we
go
to
one
not
down
to
0.65
anyway,
and
she
said
I
said:
can
I
quote
you
and
she
said
you
can
quote
me
and
you
can
have
anybody
on
your
council
call
me,
and
she
goes.
She
actually
said
if
you
want
to
put
together
a
report
which
was
not
done
by
the
by
anybody.
That
I
was
disappointed
in
our
planning
committee.
I
went
there
and
I'm
going
well,
are
they
gonna
have
numbers
or
anything
they
they
went
with
this
I.
Just
I
just
was
didn't
know
what
was
going
on
there
anyway.
J
So
anyway,
he
has,
she
said
we're
nuts
and-
and
you
can
all
call
her
to
double-check
what
what
she
said
then
one
other
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
up
was
on.
Another
thing
that
UVU
UVU
to
me
is
a
good
example,
because
they
really
had
growth,
which
is
what
we're
trying
to
have.
They
were
small
not
too
long
ago
between
2006
and
2011.
They
grew
by
10,000
students
in
a
five
year
period,
and
and
again
here
we
have
the
university
to
get
extra
funding.
J
They
need
more
students,
the
developers
want
less
parking
because
it
makes
them
more
money
and
the
citizens
don't
want
any
of
this,
because
it's
horrible
to
live
in
that
area.
With
all
of
these
parking
problems
and
the
Planning
Committee
yesterday
went
with
the
suu
and
the
developers
over
all
of
this
all
of
the
citizens
that
were
just
irate
yesterday
with
the
parking
messes
that
we
encounter
also
a
mister.
J
He
said
he
believes
that
it's
less
of
a
burden
to
have
the
the
dormitories
close,
the
the
housing
close
to
campus.
Another
thing
that
UVU
told
me
was
they
do
not
they
they
they
try
not
to
have
any
permits
close
to
the
university
anymore.
They
try
and
get
all
of
the
buildings
about
a
half
mile
from
the
University,
and,
if
you
think
about
it,
we
own
the
big
yellow
end
next
door.
J
Is
this
320
unit
building,
so
you've
got
320
students
there
with
the
footprint
of
that
building,
24
hours
a
day
and
the
200,
whatever
parking
spaces,
they
need
24
hours
a
day.
If
those
students
were
half
a
mile
away,
maybe
a
hundred
of
them
at
maximum
would
come
in
at
one
time.
They
need
a
hundred
parking
spaces.
Instead
of
this
monstrosity
footprint
that
this
building
has
and
then
they
go
back
and
relieve
the
congestion.
They
said
it
by
far
reduces
congestion
around
the
university
not
to
have
the
dorms
by
the
university.
J
They
also
made
another
point.
They
said
they
used
to
allow
six
students
per
unit
a
unit
being
a
kitchen,
and
they
said
that
was
too
congested
and
they
went
down
to
four
students
per
kitchen
which
doesn't
matter
if
it's
a
food
pass
or
not.
They're
down
to
four
students
per
kitchen
I
went
into
our
zoning
and
I
said
well.
What
is
ours
and
they
said?
J
J
You
have
to
live
around
there
to
understand
it.
You,
you
really
do
and
they're
trying
to
push
this
on
us
and
it's
just
really
a
nightmare
I
think,
but
you
might
even
speak
I,
don't
know,
but
I
I
used
to
call
the
police
to
try
and
get
these
cars
out
of
our
driveway
because
we
couldn't
get
in
and
out
of
our
driveway
and
they
never
show
up
so
I
quit
calling.
Then
somebody
told
me:
oh
you
can
call
the
University
Police,
which
I
didn't
know
they
could
come
off.
J
Campus
and
they'll
actually
show
up
so
I
mean
we're.
Every
day
we
got
cars
parked
in
our
our
driveway
and
it's
just
a
nightmare
and
and
when
you
think
about,
we
are
already
the
lowest
tide
with
the
one
other
University
for
the
lowest
parking
ratio,
and
these
people
have
the
nerve
to
try
and
lower
that
even
further
one
of
these
developers,
kind
of
let
or
one
of
the
Zoning
guys
kind
of
laughed,
and
he
goes.
You
must
have
a
del
F
de
velas,
big
brass
and
then
said
something
I.
J
AI
Andrew
with
Levitt
land
I
did
because
he
did
suggest
we
call
Orem
and
talk
with
this.
Dear
lady
I
did
call
her
and
I
went
I'm
suggestion.
That
is
all
of
you
call
her
and
ask
her
these
questions
herself,
because
I
did
get
some
different
stories.
One
of
the
reasons
that
they
quit
doing
point
65
was,
at
the
time
the
closest
apartment
complex
to
Utah.
Valley
was
1201
feet
away
on
the
other
side
of
a
freeway,
so
they
felt
point.
65
was
okay
at
that
time.
AI
AI
Think
most
of
us
know
buying
from
his
time
here
and
asked
him,
and
he
said
yes,
parking
is
a
constant
thing.
Once
you
hit
certain
numbers
in
your
city,
there's
no
get
around
that.
It's
not
just
apartments.
It's
what's
happening.
He
says
the
downtown.
They
have
a
point,
five
parking
thing
down
there,
that's
not
working
now
and
they're
redoing.
That
and
I
said.
So.
Why
did
you
change
in
your
parking
because
they
were
at
point
five?
It
went
tight
and
they
said
right
now.
AI
How
Provo
does
is
and
Orem
both
do
this
they
bring
in
the
developers
they
meet
with
them.
They
go
over
the
project
and
decide
together
how
much
parking
they
don't
say.
Yes,
it's
one
per
stall
and
Provo
said,
depending
on
what
you
do
for
bicycles,
with
other
things
that
you
do
with
it,
then
they
give
them
a
number
and
turn
that
in
I
said
well.
What
was
the
problem
with
the
parking-
and
he
says
simply
this
and
Provo
because
of
the
size
what's
happening
with
BYU.
AI
The
majority
of
the
students
now
come
from
outside
of
you
time
do
have
cars
that
the
landlord's
have
figured
out
at
$50,
a
space
rant
that
you
charge
them
even
when
they
stay
with
you
and
we
don't
that
they
made
a
lot
of
parking.
Offic
kids,
who
lived
even
further
out
and
didn't
want
to
pay
what
it
was
on
campus,
and
so
they
went
to
$50,
Stiles
teeth
and
more
people.
That's
why
they
have
that's
parking
there
and
I'm,
not
saying
that's
right,
I'm,
just
saying
that's,
what's
happening,
I'm,
saying.
AI
By
Maxwell
said
what
happens
because
they
do
that
as
a
kid
will,
come
home
and
not
have
a
space,
and
then
he
parks
on
the
street
and
so
I
said.
Well,
then
why?
Don't
you
just
stop
that
from
happening?
He
goes
that's
what
we're
discussing!
That's
what
we're
doing
up
here
now
and
Orem.
She
stated
they
do
the
same
thing
in
Orem.
They
rent
out
the
spaces.
So
it
is.
It
is
interesting.
AI
The
dynamics
there's
six
hundred
thousand
people
in
that
valley
now
and
I
know
like
I,
said
I've
said
this
before,
but
at
six
hundred
thousand
whoever
sitting
in
these
seats
Miley,
it
is
young
enough
to
probably
still
be
around
when
that
happens.
No,
but
I
know
I
won't
be
around
when
we
hit
six
hundred
thousand,
but
right
now
for
the
next
five
years
in
the
next
ten
years
and
to
work
with
the
University,
the
others
there's
nothing
here.
You
know,
I
was
still
glad
that
he
went
and
counted
at
4:00
a.m.
AI
I
was
up
till
2:00
a.m.
out
in
the
parking
lots
again
last
night,
because
kid
can't
show
my
pictures.
I
did
have
new
pictures
of
parking.
Lots
for
you
again,
not
just
ours,
but
he
stated
that
we
did
have
eleven
parking
stalls,
but
if
you
think
about
it,
I
still
have
the
28
parking
stalls
over
the
other
area
dedicated
to
that
same
compact.
So
that's
30,
39
spaces
on
the
night.
He
counted
that
I
still
had
for
that
complex,
so
I
understand
the
dynamics.
AI
What's
going
on
and
I
do
believe,
we
do
need
to
discuss
parking.
We
do
need
to
discuss
transportation,
but
I
know
that
we're
not
causing
the
parking
through.
What
we're
discussing
the
problems
on
the
street
that's
happening.
It's
my
two
children
and
a
lot
of
other
children
that
drive
in
from
Enoch
or
where
else
and
they
bring
two
cars
every
day
and
they
won't
park
on
campus
and
I
even
said
to
her.
Why
not?
And
they
said
because
you
know
they
like
to
drive
around
and
they
know
where
to
park.
F
So
breath
I
remember
the
same
debate.
What
was
it
two
years
ago
she
has
built
the
Gateway
north
and
we
talked
about
debating
the
parking
requirements
and
I.
Remember
everybody
coming
in
like
this
and
saying
this
guy
is
gonna
fall,
the
more
tours
gonna
be
full
of
kids
there,
the
streets
gonna
be
full.
What's
happened
at
Gateway,
North
II
just
explained
how
many
parking
spots
you
bought
property
across
the
street.
How
what.
AI
Gonna
give
them
a
price
or
something
for
doing,
but
but
those
spaces
are
forgetting
north
or
not
for
Gateway
East
gateway.
East
has
enough
for
itself.
So
if
we
go
by
the
ordinance
which
was
when
they
said
be
the
same,
if
I
left
out
that
partition
between
and
had
a
200
foot
bedroom
with
two
people
and
I
would
have
been
required,
91
spaces
for
a
hundred
and
forty
students.
Now
that's
about
how
many
we
have
over
there,
it's
96
96
and
we
still
have
11
and
some
others.
AI
There
I
mean
other
days
we
have
more
than
that,
but
the
so
the
28
is
there,
because
if
you
put
the
partition
in
and
make
these
single
bedrooms,
then
I
need
a
hundred
and
nineteen
instead
of
the
ninety-eight,
and
so
that's
where
the
equity
comes
in
and
what's
going
on?
It's
not
it's
not
trying
to
reduce
it's
trying
to
say
that
wall
cost
me
28,
more
spaces
that
have
to
put
in
there
that
I
don't
use
on
the
other
side
there,
but
we
have
them
there,
but.
AI
M
Mayor
council,
my
name
is
Brad
Orton
and
I
live
on
200
West.
Almost
everything
that
is
but
I
had
on.
My
list
has
been
discussed,
except
for
two
things:
I
want
to
mention
real
quickly.
First
of
all,
when
my
hats
off
to
Fred
Roley,
you
know
on
all
work
that
he's
done
and
I
especially
appreciated.
His
comment.
Early
on
about
ethics,
I
worked
with
ethics
in
the
conflict
of
interest
for
too
many
years
in
Washington,
DC
and
I'm
glad
to
come
here
where
I
don't
have
to
worry
about
those
kind
of
things
so
much
anymore.
M
M
My
second
point
is
that
maybe
we
need
to
enforce
something
where
we
reserved
parking
for
some
of
the
city,
so
there
pushes
some
of
those
college
students
back
into
empty
spots.
If
there
are
empty
spots
in
the
dormitories
and
empty
spots
in
the
in
the
college
areas,
they
don't
have
it,
they
don't
find
it
so
easy
to
park
on
the
city
streets-
and
you
know,
with
the
snow
removal
and
other
things
that
you
can
face
in
this
city.
M
N
AJ
Mayor
council,
my
name
is
Ted
black
I'm,
the
chief
deputy
in
the
Utah
State
Fire,
Marshal's
Office.
We
have
statutory
responsibility
for
the
safety
fire
safety
on
university
campuses.
Although
this
property
will
be
outside
of
campuses.
We
are
concerned
that,
if
you
don't
have
sufficient
parking
parking,
then
spills
out
into
the
street.
In
other
areas,
people
will
find
a
place
to
park
their
cars,
and
that
generally
involves
impeding
the
access
of
the
fire
department,
and
we
are
very
concerned
in
maintaining
proper
access
for
the
fire
department.
AJ
AJ
The
first
daughter
came
down
here
without
a
car,
it
became
apparent
very
quickly
for
her
to
get
to
school,
to
get
to
work,
to
get
to
the
grocery
store
in
other
areas.
She
needed
a
vehicle
and
we
sent
a
vehicle
down
here
to
her.
I
have
three
daughters.
Currently
at
Suu
they
are
sharing
two
cars
next
semester.
I
will
have
two
daughters
at
Suu
and
they
will
each
have
a
car
in
order
for
them
to
accommodate
internships.
One
of
the
daughters
is
in
the
nursing
program.
Her
clinical
studies
are
done
in
Saint
George.
AJ
B
Y
Y
The
other
thing
that
kind
of
concerns
me
when
I
listen
to
everything
that's
going
on
is
that
and
I
I
did
hear.
This
is
that
we
don't
we're
not
hearing
a
lot
about
the
destruction
of
the
city.
The
you
know
the
residence
is
the
history,
the
history
of
the
neighborhoods
that
are
going
on
I
understand.
You
know
a
building,
I
understand
growth.
Y
You
know
whatever
it
is
so
I
think
that
needs
to
be
considered
when
you
talk
about
these
issues,
because
if
you
destroy
your
city,
you're
gonna
have
a
wonderful
giant
university
with
lots
of
parking,
but
you're
not
going
to
have
the
heart
of
the
city.
That
is
part
of
that
too.
So
I
think
that's
very
important
and
I
am
sure
you,
many
of
you
have
historic
residences
that
should
not
be
affected
by
this
I.
Y
Think
in
listening
to
discussions
of
the
growth
of
the
university
I
think
it's
really
kind
of
nearsighted
to
think
that
this
the
city
doesn't
deserve,
and
it's
not
only
its
students,
but
its
citizens
doesn't
deserve
a
parking
structure.
I
would
like
to
see
more
data
on
the
cost.
I
thought
that
that
16
million
dollar
parking
structure
cost
was
an
interesting
number
and
I'd
really
like
actually
the
council
to
see
more
information
on
that.
You
know
I'm
sure
that
you
know
that's
a
number
thrown
out.
Y
I,
don't
know
what
it's
based
on,
but
I
really
think
if,
if
the
University
continues
to
grow,
I
think
that
a
parking
structure,
I'm
sorry
to
say
the
university
that
I
went
to
back
in
the
Midwest
had
it
to
come
to
that
place.
They
were
eating
up
the
community
around
the
university.
You
know
they
had
built
a
Coliseum,
they
had
you
done
everything
they
could
and
eventually
it
came
to
the
point.
Where
look:
where
are
we
gonna
go
now?
Y
You
know
we
we
have
students,
they
have
cars,
we
are
going
to
have
to
accommodate
their
needs
and
I'm,
sorry
to
say
it,
but
even
in
Cedar
City
that
is
going
to
become
a
reality.
If
you
value
the
revenue
that
the
students
are
bringing
in,
if
you
value
the
growth
of
the
university
that
is
going
to
have
to
be
a
reality,
because
you
cannot
expect
private
citizens
to
and
the
city
streets
to
accommodate
parking
for
students.
It
just
is
it's
not
a
reality.
Y
Y
So
I
really
think
that
you
know
there
are
things
that
need
to
be
discussed
and
I
am
sure
student
costs
not
wanting
to
pay
extra
prices,
for
you
know
parking,
that's
a
reality
that
they're
gonna
have
to
deal
with
I'm
sorry,
but
that
is
that
is
the
future.
That
is,
growth
and
costs,
do
have
to
be
built
in
whether
they
have
to
be
shuttled
from
a
parking
structure
to
the
university
that
may
have
to
happen,
but
I
think
to
ask
residential
citizens
and
taxpayers
to
accommodate
student
parking
is
very
short-sighted.
Very
short-sighted,
I
think.
B
D
B
City
inspector
inspected,
North
Elementary
as
a
courtesy,
they
had
no
obligation
to
abide
by
anything.
So
a
lot
of
these
things
about
parking
and
on
any
anything
to
do
with
campus
mm-hmm.
We
have
no
control
over
and
that's
these
things
are
addressed
to
the
University
Board
of
the
Regents
or
someone
like
that,
and
that.
M
T
B
Y
You
hit
the
nail
on
the
head,
I
think
that's
a
reality
and
yeah
and
and
it
unfortunately,
it
does
kind
of
blur
the
lines
I
mean
the
city
is
impacted
by
the
university.
The
university
is
impacted
by
the
city,
so
you
can't
I,
mean
I,
understand,
there's
different
financing,
different
protocols,
but
one
of
impacts,
the
other
and
so
in
in
the
middle
of
that
is
the
taxpayer
who's
saying.
Well,
what
about
me
over
here
I'm,
the
little
guy
I'm,
not
a
builder
I'm,
not
the
university,
but
I'm.
F
D
F
A
F
Out
on
that
revenue,
and
the
other
thing
is,
is
I,
don't
think
when
they
build
those
buildings,
we
receive
any
property
taxes,
so
there's
no
property
taxes
as
the
fund
chief
Phillips
operation
and
his
firemen
and
trucks,
and
where
the
private
sector
does
they
pay
the
property
taxes,
and
so
we
can
either
we
can
either
let
the
private
sector
fill
that
need,
or
we
let
the
state
do
it
and
we
miss
out
on
a
lot
of
revenue.
Well,.
Y
I
respect
that
I
think
it's
got
to
be
a
cooperative
effort,
a
cooperative
effort.
I
really
do
because
you
cannot
say
I
mean
you'd.
Talk
to
anybody
and
and
suu
is
the
major
draw
to
this
area.
Without
suu
and
I've
heard
this
said,
Cedar
City
might
dry
up
and
blow
away
now.
I
I
think
that's
a
little
exaggerated,
but
in
the
context
of
what
you're
talking
about
it's
important
to
factor
all
those
things
in
so
I
respect
your
opinion
on
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
B
A
W
Hi
Mindy
Benson
I
am
with
suu
and
I,
also
live
in
this
neighborhood
mayor
and
councilmembers.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
on
this
issue
and
city
staff,
you've
done
a
tremendous
amount
of
research
and
work
and
listening
and
patient
listening,
and
we
appreciate
your
thoughtfulness
and
and
your
time
on
this,
a
couple
of
points
that
I
want
to
bring
up.
W
We
have
remember
that
this
is
two
different
issues.
Parking
is
different
than
housing
and
then
parking
at
the
housing
complex
parking
is
congested
around
campus.
We
hope
that
this
will
help
it
by
containing
it
into
an
apartment
building,
and
we
build
enough
for
those
residents
and
those
residents
aren't
parking
out
on
the
street.
That's
what
we
hope
parking
is
a
different
issue
and
I
say
that
wholeheartedly,
because
I
live
in
this
zone
and
I
own
a
house
in
this
zone,
and
my
family
house
is
in
this
zone
but
they're
far
enough
away
from
the
University.
W
My
home
is
anyway
that
there
are
not
cars
in
front
of
it
for
classes.
There
are
cars
in
front
of
my
house
all
the
time,
because
everyone
in
my
neighborhood
has
chosen
to
sell
their
homes
to
people
from
California,
who
don't
know
the
neighborhood,
who
don't
see
the
neighborhood,
but
they
know
that
it
will
make
some
money
off
student
rentals
and
they
have
eight
or
twelve
people
in
their
homes
that
are
not
zoned.
For
that,
not
sprinkled
for
that,
and
they
don't
have
parking
for
that.
W
Yet
they
don't
have
to
build
parking
because
they
didn't
build
the
structure,
it's
just
a
home
that
they
rent
it
out.
So
my
neighborhood
is
being
blighted
by
all
these
rentals
that
can
make
money
because
they
don't
have
to
have
parking
and
I,
don't
think.
That's
a
fair
competition
for
those
who
are
building
and
do
have
to
have
parking
so
I
think
parking
and
building
are
two
separate
issues.
I
also
want
perspective.
When
we
say
we
are
growing,
we
are
growing
and
managed
growth
and
we
aren't
growing
to
the
point.
W
Uvu
and
and
BYU
are,
we
hope,
someday
that
we
will
get
there,
but
when
we've
said
we've
doubled
in
size
every
twenty
years.
That
means
it's
going
to
take
two
more
years
to
get
to
20,000
we're
only
growing
at
5%
a
year
we're
trying
to
do
healthy,
managed
girls.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
20,000
in
two
years
and
this
doesn't
have
to
be
forever.
Let's
look
at
this
ordinance
and
say
it
didn't
work
or
it
was
a
massive
problem
or
it
was
great
or
in
five
years,
when
we've
grown
in
the
cities
grown.
W
Let's
see
where
we
are
that
now
it
doesn't.
It
isn't
in
here
for
time
and
perpetuity
forever
and
ever
and
ever
and
the
last
thing
Paul
brought
up
councilmember
Cousins.
You
brought
up
if,
if
we
make
this
so
these
are
not
profitable
to
our
local
builders,
who
we
want
to
provide
jobs
for
then
they
will
walk
away
from
these
projects
and
D
FCM
will
come
down
and
the
FCM
will
build
these
buildings
right
around
the
University
and
the
FCM
will
build
it
to
0.5.
W
B
You
remind
me
of
something,
and
you
can
sit
down
but
I'll
just
say
this
I
think
chief
Adams
and
City
Attorney
and
we've
got
to
get
a
stronger
enforcement
on
our
awning
I
know.
There's
a
house
on
900
West
for
this
guy
he's,
like
25
years
old,
he's
rented
out
nine
or
ten
bedrooms
in
that
house,
and
he
has
parking
for
three
house:
three
cars,
all
the
rest
of
them
park
across
the
street
in
the
church
parking
lot.
B
It's
absolutely
wrong
and
it's
happening
all
over
the
town
and
we're
not
doing
anything
about
it
and
that's
what
3/4
of
this
problem
is
here
are
I
yesterday
and
I
saw
a
guy
had
hit
a
deer
and
he
parked
his
car
on
the
side
of
the
freeway
and
just
like
that,
the
Highway
Patrol
has
that
orange
thing
right
there
on
it.
They
don't
say
well,
this
is
ok
or
you're,
my
friend
or
whatever.
B
B
Think
that's
what
will
happen.
I
have
gone
to
this
gateway,
west
or
east
or
whatever.
It
is
time
every
time
a
day
and
night
and
there's
always
a
whole
bunch
of
parking
spaces
is.
This
is
something
we've
been
talking
about
for
two
years.
So
it's
not
like
a
lot
of
people
are
saying
we
need
to
study
this
more
I've
been
studying
it
since
the
last
time
it
came
up,
I've
been
watching
and
keeping
an
eye
on
this,
and
there
is
adequate
parking
now.
Mister,
good!
That's
good!
B
AJ
Can't
answer
that
question
I'm
just
telling
you,
based
on
what
we've
seen
or
experienced
at
other
universities,
parking
spills
out
of
these
parking
lots.
These
young
people
will
find
a
place
to
park,
and
now
you
have
environments
where
you
can't
get
fire
engines
in.
In
fact,
there
is
an
emergency
as.
B
AJ
They,
we
sure,
will
I
and
actually
have
sent
messages
to
DFC.
My
we've
been
sitting
here
tonight,
I
just
I,
think
Cedar
City
is
gorgeous
I
love.
This
town
I
have
relatives
that
live
here.
I've
sent
more
than
half
of
my
children
here
to
school.
I
would
hate
to
see
you
in
the
same
situation,
20
years
from
now
that
Provo
was
in
today,
and
so
what
we're
recommending
may
not
impact
you
for
10
years,
but
I
guarantee
you.
If
you
go
to
0.65
20
years
from
now,
they
will
use
your
name
in
vain,
but
are.
F
AJ
AJ
Two
different
issues:
the
home
issue
is-
is
a
is
a
mass
Pro
Bono's.
It's
a
mess
and
they're
doing
the
same
type
of
things,
you're
doing
to
try
and
address
it,
I'm
talking
about
apartment
complexes
where
they
send
a
little
Judy
to
school
BYU
and
they
come
out
and
visit
her
and
she
I'd
need
a
car,
daddy
I
can't
get
here
and
I
can
so
they've
signed
the
contract.
We
won't
have
a
car.
Well
guess
what
little
Judy
gets
a
car
two
months
into
the
thing,
and
so
does
everybody
else.
I
played
this
game
myself.
AJ
I
thought
my
daughter's
could
come
to
school
without
a
car
cedar
is
fairly
remote.
It
didn't
work
and
I
had
to
send
a
car
here
and
I'll
have
to
cut
well
I've
got
two
cars
down
here
now,
and
it
only
works
because
they're
sisters
and
they're
sharing
next
year,
one
of
them's
transferring
to
Weber,
State
and
so
I'll
have
two
cars
down
here
with
two
daughters
have.
F
A
question
for
you,
so
chief
I
understand
there
was
some
discussion
last
night,
Planning
Commission
wasn't
my
decision.
So
wasn't
there
some
numbers
brought
up
about
number
of
deaths
in
verse
and
sprinkle
buildings
versus
non
sprinkled.
Could
you
guys
bring
up
you
come
up
and
bring
up
those
facts
because
I'd
rather
see
little
Judy
being
a
sprinkle
building.
That's
in
a
safe
building
than
stuck
in
a
home
in
a
basement
for
other
girls
that
doesn't
have
sprinklers
doesn't
have
egress,
so
they
get
out
of
that
base.
F
We've
talked
about
that
which
he
Phillips
we've
talked
about
doing
punitive
fines
to
the
building
owners
if
they
catch
their
tennis
parking
that
which
will
be
passed
on
to
their
tenants
and
that'll
solve
that
problem.
Yes,
the
fire
lanes
after
watching
the
fire
lanes.
We
we
have
fire
lines
that
they
recently
fire
those
when
they
build
these
I.
F
AJ
B
AB
Ted
was
head
and
mind
he
stopped
by
and
said:
hey
I'm
here
see
my
girl,
Mike
Phillips
at
the
fire
department.
I
got
sorry
mayor,
so
so
let
me
tell
you
I
and
let
me
tell
you
to
Anna
told
stories
and
they
both
happened
on
City
Council
nights
and
they
both
had
different
issues
with
them.
One
of
them
was
on
two
hundred
South.
Next
to
the
Maverick.
AB
So
that's
one
story
and
that's
when
councilman
cousins,
a
hundred
percent
right,
if
I,
could
put
every
issue
college
student
into
a
sprinkler
building
for
alarmed
makes
me
feel
a
lot
better.
Now
it
doesn't
help
Darren
and
the
parking
problems
and
the
neighbors
and
their
parking
problems.
Then
you
go
to
Thunderbird
landings,
which
is
across
the
freeway,
which
has
the
0.75
parking
that
was
given
to
them.
AB
We
have
a
fire
there
that
when
we
pull
in
there's
cars
parked
in
every
single
parking
spot
and
spots
that
we're
not
parking
spots
to
the
point
that
when
the
crew
showed
up
but
Mike
shirt's
was
on
that
engine
they
had
to
get
out
of
the
engine
and
get
in
front
of
it
and
walk
so
they
didn't
swipe
the
cars.
We
don't
really
like
to
come
to
Paul
and
say
we
trashed
a
five
six
hundred
thousand
dollar
engine
get
in
there.
So
we
got
out.
We
slowed
ourselves
down
a
little
bit
to
get
in
there.
AB
We
had
access,
it
was
very
limited
and
then
all
the
off-street
off
on
street
parking
was
full
and
we
had
to
park
our
ladder
truck
in
the
middle
of
the
road
and
we
had
limited
the
reach
of
our
trucks.
So
here's
our
two
stories
and
it
causes
us
trouble
because
we
really
like
the
idea
that
one
on
200
south
had
really
awesome
access,
but
it
was
really
bad
situation
with
the
old
housing
and
in
the
basement.
Councilman
cousins
was
right,
Thunderbird
landings.
AB
AB
Well,
it
was
the
way
it
was
built.
It
was.
They
followed
the
townhouse
townhome
law,
though
it's
exempt
them
from
sprinkler
systems
which
is
supposed
to
be
for
single-family
housing.
Not
dormitories
was
a
play
on
words
and
I
was
water
under
the
bridge.
So
but
that's
what
happened
there,
and
so,
when
you
look
at
a
story,
it's
like
you
know,
and
everyone
asked
me
why
do
you
keep
going
back
to
that?
AB
That's
the
only
experience
we've
had
with
0.75
parking,
it's
just
like
if
I
go
to
the
bank
and
I
borrow
money
and
you
know
I,
don't
pay
him
back
and
I
come
back
and
say:
hey
I
want
to
borrow
money.
Terry's,
probably
not
gonna
give
it
to
me,
because
she
has
a
little
bit
of
bad
taste
that
the
contract
didn't
fall
through.
We
were
told
point,
seven-five
wouldn't
be
an
issue,
and
then
it
became
an
issue
so
somewhere
in
lie
in
the
middle
lies
the
the
compromise.
AB
So
last
night
we
talked
about
some
of
the
statistics
in
student
housing
and
this
is
from
2000
to
2015.
There
were
85
fatal
fires
and
dormitories
fraternities
sororities
and
off-campus
housing.
This
is
ninety
percent.
Ninety
four
percent
of
those
fatal
fires
happened
in
off-campus
housing,
housing
and
the
report
goes
on
to
say
that
on-campus
housing
is
typically
safer
than
off-campus
housing
because
we
require
the
full
alarm
systems
require
the
full
sprinkler
systems
and
those
those
make.
AB
You
know
the
fire
issues
kind
of
go
away,
says:
twenty
nine
percent
of
the
fires
were
started
by
smoking
material
and
those
were
fatal
fires.
Now
a
lot
of
places,
the
limited
smoking
Thunderbird
landings
was
a
non-smoking
facility.
It
was
caused
by
smoking
material.
The
report
goes
on
and
says
campuses
become
very
well
at
controlling
smoking,
but
off
campus.
They
don't
allow
it
inside,
so
they
go
outside
and
smoke
a
majority.
Those
fire
started
and
materials
outside
of
the
building
and
moved
into
the
structure
then
be
a
non
sprinkler.
AB
The
the
building
burned
down
students
died,
the
other
thing.
The
report
said
that
find
the
number
really
quick.
It
said
smoke
alarms
were
there
missing
or
tampered
in
fifty
eight
percent
of
the
fatal
campus
fires.
That
means
in
your
home
Terry
when
you
burn
your
toast
and
you
get
sick
of
that
alarm,
going
off
or
Craig
when
your
wife
gets
out
of
shower.
She
sets
it
off.
You
go
up
and
you
pull
the
battery
out
of
it
and
that's
what
happens
with
these
college
students.
They
get
tired
of
the
alarm
going
off.
AB
Their
neighbors
complain,
so
these
disconnect
them
in
a
full
commercial
system
burner
almond.
You
can
burn
ramen,
so
in
a
fully
alarmed
building,
if
you,
if
they
go
disconnect
that
smoke
detector,
it
gives
a
trouble
down
at
the
main
box
and
lets.
You
know,
there's
something
wrong
with
so
it's
really
hard
for
them
to
overcome
those
systems,
but
whereas
in
the
regular
residential
type
smoke,
alarm
system
or
smoke
detector
system,
but.
AB
AB
Echoes
learnings,
you
go
in
there
and
someone
takes
the
detector
out
that
box
just
beep
until
someone
goes
and
takes
care
of
it.
So
and
then
it
says,
spire
sprinklers
were
not
present
in
any
of
the
85
fatal
fires.
So
anytime
there
was
a
fire.
It
was
in
a
non
sprinkler
building,
so
the
these
newer
buildings
were
building
state
law
requires
anything
greater
than
a
duplex
and
then
townhomes
are
exempted
out
of
that
have
to
have
half
sprinkler
systems
in
it.
AB
Deaths
and
sprinkler
buildings
in
that
period
of
time,
so
in
from
2011
to
2015,
it
says:
there's
an
average
of
4,100
structure
fire.
So
every
year,
there's
4,100
structure,
fires
in
these
type
of
residents,
which
I
found
kind
of
to
be
a
high
number
I,
didn't
realize
there
was
that
many
as
I
studied
it,
and
then
we
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
how
great
kitchens
are
in
these
facilities.
AB
It
says:
cooking
equipment
was
involved
in
the
entity,
9
out
of
10
reported
dormitory
fires,
so
kitchens
caused
fires
same
things
that
caused
fires
in
your
own
homes.
So
that's
some
of
the
the
fatality
statistics
there.
Some
of
the
numbers.
That's
why
I
provided
those
last
nine
of
us
make
sure
I
didn't
miss
anything
in
this.
This
long
report
mayor
likes
it
and
I,
even
highlighted
it.
AB
Have
different
colors
and
that
I
think
I
hit
everything
there.
So
I
guess
where
we're
at
is
we're
kind
of
torn
between
the
issues.
We
would
really
like
to
see
all
these
students
into
these
nice
sprinklered,
foley
alarms
facilities
and
last
night
we
kind
of
threw
out
some
of
the
ideas
we've
counseled,
my
cousins
and
council
and
Rowley
came
down
the
fire
station.
We
met
we
kind
of
brainstormed
some
issues.
We
came
up
with
some
ideas.
One
of
them
was
that
parking
enforcement
in
the
the
red
zones
and
ticketing.
AB
H
If
we
haven't,
we
can
do
agree
to
have
a
developer,
put
a
contract
together
requiring
students
that,
if
they're
going
to
be
there,
they
have
to
park
in
a
certain
place
or
they
can't
have
a
car.
But
then,
if
someone
parks
in
their
own
space,
what
if
it's
someone
that
doesn't
have
a
contract
with
them?
Well,.
F
It's
not
let
me
address
that
Tyler,
it's
in
Blake,
maybe
you'd
like
to
come
up
dressed
as
as
a
property
manager,
because
what
Blake
explained
to
me,
if
he's
got
a
contract
with
a
tenant
and
and
you
have
a
contract
to
the
with
you
say,
you're
renting
from
Blake-
and
you
have
a
contract
with
no-smoking
and
your
neighbor
comes
over
and
smokes
an
apartment.
You're
gonna
get
fined
it's
your
problem,
so
you're
gonna
enforce
that
tighter!
That's,
very
simple!
F
G
F
G
F
A
AC
AK
Cousins
and
every
rental
contract,
and
then
also
just
like
with
disconnecting
fire
alarms
I
already
do
that
in
my
rental
contracts,
I
put
a
hundred
and
twenty-five
dollar
fine
if
they
disconnect
their
fire
alarm
and
they
don't
notify
the
landlord
and
what
that
does.
Is
it
just
like?
He
said
people
do
that
all
the
time,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
they're
not
disconnected
for
more
than
just
the
instant
that
they're
replacing
the
batteries
when
they
go
dead
or
whatever
that
may
be.
AK
AB
So
the
other
solution
we
came
up
with
was
to
have
tow
trucks
respond
to
the
area.
Tow
truck
tow
tow
trucks
are
very
slow.
Last
night
we
had
a
car
fire
out
on
the
freeway
from
a
car
chase
that
caught
on
fire,
and
it
was
we
were
packing
up
and
leaving
by
the
time
the
the
tow
truck
showed
up
so
to
have
them
on
speed-dial
dispatched
a
column.
That's
gonna
be
too
slow.
AB
B
AB
Mayor
calls
it
the
other
one
is
to
require
full
commercial
alarm
systems
if
we
allow
a
reduction
in
parking
that
we
require
a
full
commercial
alarm
system
now,
I
had
chief
shirts
check
in
to
the
cost
of
it
and
the
cost
versus.
So
if
we
have
a
developer
that
it's
going
to
cost
them
a
thousand
dollars
to
put
in
that
system,
it's
going
to
cost
10
to
15
times
so
it'll
be
ten
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars
for
that
alarm
system.
AB
But
if
you
look
at
the
trade-off
in
land
costs,
an
asphalt
and
all
that
the
developer
may
be
coming
out
ahead
with
that,
and
we
have
alarm
building
now.
This
solution,
then
again
is
just
for
us:
it
doesn't
solve
any
of
the
park
parking
issues.
What
it
does
for
us
is
gets
the
people
out
of
the
building,
and
it's
the
that's
really.
What
we're
there
for
is
the
life
safety
is
to
get
them
out
of
the
building.
Then
we
can
fight
the
fire.
AB
AB
So
like
in
Eccles
learning
or
the
excells
Eccles
living
man,
a
full
alarm
system,
so
there's
a
master
box
and
instead
of
having
smoke,
alarms
like
you
have
in
your
home,
like
smoke,
detectors
that
go
back
to
that
alarm
station
and
then
it
sets
off
the
alarm,
sends
it
to
dispatch.
So
it
just
gives
us
earlier
notification,
whereas
the
other
one
is
interconnected.
AB
Most
of
times,
sometimes
the
property
owners
decide
not
to
pay
their
bill
and
they
cut
them
off
and
so
they're.
You
know,
Mike
deals
with
these
all
the
time
of
people
that
drop
their
alarm
contract.
We
have
to
go,
tell
them
you're
required
to
have
monitoring
on
the
system.
Okay,
the
other
one
was,
is,
and
has
kind
of
been
thrown
around
a
little
bit.
AB
B
B
I
G
G
B
To
the
universities,
looked
at
all
sort
of
recreation
with
the
university
facilities,
but
we
we
have
a
higher
need
for
fire
equipment
because
we've
got
taller
buildings,
etc,
etc.
And
so
we
just
make
that
a
special
zone
that
emphasizes
fire
safety
and
de-emphasizes
recreation,
because
in
that
zone
that
would
be
justified
per.
AB
AB
F
F
G
G
G
AB
AB
He
said
for
me
to
explaining,
but
really
what
they're
doing
is
they
go
into
the
the
lease
contract
and
they
say
if
you
put
in
a
hundred
bed
facility-
and
you
have
this
point-
six
five
parking
or
whatever
the
number
is,
then
you
only
allow
fifty
parking
stalls
and
by
the
lease
agreements,
then,
when
they
sign
up
their
lease
agreements,
they
can
only
sign
50
people
that
have
cars
and
the
other
fifty
can't
bring
a
car.
So
that's
one
way:
that's
how
st.
George
is
kind
of
looking
at
how
to
limit
it.
AB
That's
that's
pragmatic,
because
how
do
you
enforce
that?
You
know
Levitt
land
may
say:
hey,
that's
great,
we'll
follow
that
rule!
The
next
competitor
down
the
road.
Goes
there
soft
street
parking
and
and
we'll
sign
off
an
extra
two
or
three
people,
because
we
want
to
fill
our
beds.
So
those
are
kind
of
I'm
just
threw
out
all
those
solutions
that
we've
kind
of
thrown-
you
know
talked
about
we've
discussed
with
different
council
members
when
we
met
with
councilman
cousins,
council,
enrollee
and
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
got
back
from
staff.
B
AB
AB
And
I
and
the
only
reason
I
throw
that
number
out
list
she's
just
off
the
top
of
the
head,
is
what
we
had
happen
at
at
Thunderbird
landings
now.
I
know
that
this
is
in
the
different
areas
across
the
freeway.
We've
discussed
that
and
that's
where
I
think,
if
we
put
in
that
they
call
it
sunset
clause
that
we
look
at
it
and
see
if
it
works
or
not.
But
that's
but.
A
Y
F
AG
Z
AG
Just
wanted
to
clarify
okay
sirs,
and
you
must
understand
that
this
agenda
item
were
asking
that
there's
no
action
tonight
and
to
consider
that
at
your
next
meeting,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
the
other
thing
is
I'm,
just
as
I'm
in
Kennison
here
in
the
back.
Thinking
of
you
know,
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
this
discussion
has
been
su
versus.
AG
You
know:
citizens
around
the
University,
my
my
fifth
grandpa
back
and
Frances
Webster
is
his
statues
they're,
just
north
of
the
centrum
there
with
the
horses
and
the
wagon
and
he's
pushing
the
horses
and
wagon
and
I
would
just
kind
of
think.
You
know
what
what
would
he
be.
You
know
talking
about
here.
He
was
very
much
into
business
and,
and
you
know,
helping
Cedar
City
grow
as
well.
AG
As
you
know,
founding
issue,
you
and
you
know
I
think
what's
been
talked
about
really
a
lot
of
the
street
parking
and
what
we're
talking
about
0.65,
as
many
as
mention
is
really
kind
of
two
separate
issues.
So
I
would
just
recommend
that
that
the
City
Council
either
hold
a
field
trip
and
go
around
and
look
or
would
just
ask
the
City
Council
to
go
around
a
few
addresses
and
the
addresses
would
be
141.
AG
North
800
west
go
look
at
the
Gateway
project
and
then
also
go
look
at
the
property
that
is
just
to
the
west
of
hut,
Shirley
and
Richard
Datsuns
home,
because
all
three
of
those
are
analogous
in
the
fact
that
there
was
many
houses
there
at
one
time
I
remember
years
ago,
as
a
child,
you
know
going
down
those
streets
and
they
were
congested
then,
and
you
go
past
them
now
and
there's
very
few
cars.
It's
what's
been
talked
about
with
the
mortuary.
AG
You
know,
there's
there's
really
no
issues
there.
However,
at
the
time
you
know
when
Gateway
was
coming
in,
there
was
the
worry
of
you
know
that
large
parking
lot
to
the
south
mortuary
being
filled
up.
You
know,
there's
really
not
cars,
even
on
300
west,
just
the
last
few
weeks,
I've
looked
on
300,
west
and
and
the
most
I've
ever
seen
is
6
I
inquired
in
the
mortuary,
and
it
was
actually
a
family
meeting
privately
before
the
viewing
started
that
was
going
on
there.
AG
So
I'd
be
more
than
glad
to
show
any
of
you,
these
properties
at
different
times,
with
any
of
you
at
any
different
time.
But
as
I
mentioned,
the
800
west
property
for
the
record,
I've
got
18
people
residing
there,
I
have
23
parking
stalls
and
I
could
give
you
a
whole
list
of
neighbors
who
have
never
complained
and
I
know
em
all
one-pass
neighbors
actually
right
here
in
the
room
and
they've
they
were
there
for
a
number
of
years
and
I
think
that
everyone
would
attest
that
the
parking
lots
less
than
50
percent
falls.
AG
So
as
we
as
we
talk
about
conflicting,
you
know
data
and
skewing
data
talking
about
third-party
data
and
the
city
doing
the
data
I
would
just
recommend
the
council
go
maybe
a
few
times
to
each
these
properties,
and
just
you
know,
look
look
for
yourself.
I
only
have
interest
in
one
but
I've
watched
the
other
two
very
very
closely.
AG
Just
a
couple
of
things:
I
want
to
hit
I
know
it's
been
a
long
night,
Thunderbird
landing,
it's
my
understanding
and
obviously
I'm,
not
a
city
staff,
but
just
in
looking
the
records
and
and
thinking
back
of
time,
I
remember
when
Thunderbird
landing
came
in.
It
was
proposed
this
definition
as
a
townhome
project.
AG
It
is
currently
not
a
sprinkled
building
and
was
built
subject
to
the
IRC
requirements,
International
a
residential
code,
not
the
International
Building
Code.
So
it's
my
understanding
under
the
International
Building,
Code
or
international
residential
code
that
typically
the
city
has
not
had
a
plan
review
process
subject
to
the
international
fire
code,
which
is
IFC.
AG
Two
way
driveways
need
to
be
24
feet,
however,
as
I've
spoke
to
the
fire
marshal
Mike
shirts
about
this,
that,
in
order
to
be
in
compliance
with
what
he
would
like
to
see
as
well
as
I'm
perfectly
fine
with
and
to
be
more
in
harmony
with
the
IFC
that
the
driveways
need
to
be
24
feet
wide,
so
I
haven't,
went
out
and
measured
what
Thunderbird
landing
is,
but
most
likely
is
somewhere,
probably
between
20
and
24
feet
wide
which,
if
you
were
to
say,
are
24
okay.
So
so,
with
that
extra
to
feed
you.
K
AG
So
so
Thunderbird
landing
is
24.
It
sounds
like,
however,
what's
being
required
now
is
26,
so
I
really
think
that
two
feet
makes
a
big
difference.
I
mentioned,
there's
some
Planning
Commission
that
I
had
another
project
that
has
been
in
plan
review
here
in
the
recent
months
and,
if
Mike
several
times
talking
about
turning
radiuses
and
layout
and
all
those
kind
of
things
so
I
really
think.
A
All
of
those
items
that
are
important
and
getting
that
so
it
is
clearly
defined
and
bring
that
before
the
council,
so
that
you
would
have
it
all
so
that
there
to
kind
of
take
all
of
this
into
account
big
picture
instead
of
kind
of
doing
the
parking
which
will
impact
the
turning
which
will
impact.
All
of
that
is
trying
to
take
one
step
back
and
get
all
of
it
together
and
that
has
started
to
be
driven.
It
is
actually
in
the
drafting
phases,
as
we
speak
with
all
the
different
departments
working
together,
so.
F
AG
I
think
that
would
work,
yeah
I,
think
it's
very
workable
I
think
it
comes
down
to
working
with
the
fire
marshal
on
the
layout
like
we
talked
about
even
clear
down
to
if
there's
hatched
areas
in
the
parking
lot,
you
know
that,
maybe
other
properties,
you
know
they're
just
hatch
you're
not
supposed
to
park
there,
but
maybe
it
sounds
like
with
Thunderbird
landing.
There's
been
a
concern
that
there
was.
Maybe
people
parking
there.
You
know
maybe
snows
on
the
ground.
AG
F
AG
You
know
I,
look
at
risk.
A
lot
I
have
a
weekly
meeting
with
with
my
team,
and
one
of
the
agenda
items
on
our
agendas
is
risk
management.
We
talked
about
it,
you
know
where's
the
where's,
the
exposure,
you
know
where's
the
opportunity
of
litigation,
those
kind
of
things
like
that,
and
so
you
know
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
you
know
what
kind
of
liability
the
landlord
would
have
if
the
fire
department
came
into
a
parking
lot
and
there's
areas
that
are
marked
it
not
to
be
parked
and
so
forth.
AG
You
know
what
what
portion
of
that
of
that
liability
would
fall
on
the
landlord
and
what
portion
would
would
fall
on
the
you
know,
the
owner
of
the
automobile,
so
yeah
I
think
there
can
easily
be
monuments
put
in
place.
I
think
you
know,
painting
curbs
signs
all
those
kind
of
things
like
that.
I
really
think
it
comes
down
to
word
the
developer,
working
closely
with
with
the
fire
marshal
and
my
experience,
working
with
Mike
and
again
I'm
not
trying
to
get
him
a
raise
or
anything
like
that.
AG
But
but
in
working
with
him
it's
been
a
good
experience
and
and
I
think
that's
really
where
all
of
this
comes
down
to
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
that
have
been
brought
up.
The
just
a
couple
of
things:
I
want
to
bring
up
as
far
as
commercial
sprinklers.
I've
done.
You
know
a
fair
amount
of
those
with
my
commercial
company
velocity
construction,
not
velocity
homes,
I'd
want
to
kind
of
compare
what
that
cost
would
be.
AG
The
bank
funds,
the
rest
and,
and
so
he
he
goes
to
to
a
realtor
talks,
the
realtor
and
says
you
know,
hey
work:
where
can
I
do
some
apartments?
Realtor
looks
up
our
three
I
think
most
Realtors
here
in
town
know
where
the
r3
is
great.
Okay,
he
goes
to
me
and
gets
that
under
contract
through
his
due
diligence
or
inspection
period
he's.
You
know,
working
with
an
engineer
and
land
planners
trying
to
figure
out
density,
and
you
know
how
the
parkings
gonna
work
meet
with
a
fire
marshal
and
city
staff
and
so
forth.
AG
Maybe
before
he
even
closes
on
it.
Everything
looks
great.
He
goes
ahead
and
closes
on
it.
The
plan
review
process
you
know,
goes
back
and
forth
for
a
little
while
making
sure
that
you
know
the
plans
are
exactly
what
they
need
to
be
and
he
goes
to
his
building
permit
and
all
sudden
the
sunrise
clause
has
expired.
AG
He
didn't
know
about
the
public
meeting
that
was
supposed
to
happen
and
I
know
you
guys
do
a
good
job
at
advertising,
but
you
know
if
if
people
aren't
involved,
unfortunately
you
know
sometimes
they
don't
know
about
the
meeting
and
it's
impossible
for
all
of
you
to
to
let
everyone
know
that
owns
property
in
the
town
of
a
public
meeting.
So
then
also
he
goes
to
get
a
building
permit.
AG
I
know
there
was
other
things
discussed
in
the
past
that
you
know
we're
just
talking
specifically,
you
know
parking
density,
some
of
the
engineering
standards
and
design
standards.
Those
kind
of
things
in
most
cities-
I,
don't
know
how
it
is
here,
but
other
cities
that
I
work
with
that.
A
lot
of
those
things
are
handled
administratively
and
not
legislatively.
So
as
those
things
evolve
that
you
know
that
they
could
be,
you
know,
I
doctored
their
and
the
last
thing
I'll
say
is
just
I.
Did
an
analysis.
I've
got
several
projects
into
the
city
in
plan.
AG
We'll
all
day
is
just
you
know,
figuring
out
costing
on
projects.
I
figured
it'd
be
a
hundred
and
eighty
two
thousand
dollars
difference,
I'm,
just
one
of
my
projects,
whether
it's
point
six,
five
or
point,
eight,
five
and
I'm,
just
a
small
company
I
am
the
sole
owner
of
my
company.
I,
don't
have
partners
I,
don't
have
shareholders
that
this
is
it
and
so
to
me,
every
dollar
counts
and
for
me,
I,
don't
have
no
pensions
and
those
kind
of
things.
This
is
this.
Is
my
retirement
and
I'm
just
getting
older
and
so
I
apologize?
AG
It's
a
sizable
project
and
and
I
couldn't
afford
that
mr.
construction
costs
are
going
up,
I,
don't
know
what
it
would
be
like
in
another
year
and
it'll
just
make
it
less
less
attainable
to
be
able
to
do
so.
When
you
look
at
the
multiplier
of
fact,
you
look
at
property
taxes
I'm.
You
look
at
the
amount
of
jobs
and
so
forth,
like
that.
This
one
project,
mine,
would
would
probably
over
the
life
of
the
whole
project
till
it's
done,
probably
employee.
AG
You
know,
170
people
is
what
my
office
kind
of
figured
between
people
that's
working
in
the
cabinet
shop.
It
might
not
even
be
on
the
project,
but
that
they're
touching
the
project
indirectly
and
so
I
appreciate
everyone's
support.
The
time
that
you
spent
and
would
just
ask
that
you
know
if
it
is
possible
that
we
could
come
to
some
kind
of
a
resolution
have
be
more
than
glad
to
meet
I'll
set
aside
whatever
time
between
now
and
the
next
council
meeting
regarding
this
matter,
I'm
only
one
person
and
I
am
biased.
K
That's
the
very
thing
that
I
think
needs
to
happen
here.
You've
heard
from
a
lot
of
good
people
and
there
are
a
lot
of
good
ideas.
They
just
need
to
congeal,
somehow
and
and-
and
that
won't
happen
unless
we
sit
across
the
table
from
each
other.
Yes,
I
do
what
you've
proposed.
You
continue
the
dialogue
and
get
to
a
point
where
we
all
understand
each
other.
B
AG
A
G
A
So
with
that,
no
matter
what
there
won't
be
any
vote
on
this
tonight,
we
can
come.
We
can
talk
about
it.
Some
more
this
week
talk
about
some
of
the
other
proposals
and
things
that
were
in
the
big
picture,
one
that
staff
had
been
working
on,
which
would
encompass
a
lot
of
the
other
items
as
well,
because
if
we
can
bring
those
in
it
will
help
make
sure
that
these
projects
don't
turn
into
issues
we
regret
later
on.
So
thanks.
L
F
L
I
caution
us
and
I
I
do
appreciate
the
comments
about
possible
permanent
parking
on
Turner's
West
I
live
on
300
West,
and
then
let's
do
it
on
300.
Let's
do
it
on
100,
less
it
on
400,
but
I
can
assure
you
if
you
take
permit
parking
and
move
those
cars
away.
Those
cars
aren't
going
to
disappear.
They're
gonna
find
some
other
place
to
park,
so
we've
got
to
be
very
careful
about
what
we
do
there.
L
The
second
thing
I'd
like
to
address
is
what
miss
Henderson
was
speaking
to
you
about
the
heart
of
the
community
and
I
address
this
last
night,
so
I
apologize
for
those
folks
last
night,
but
this
University
overlay
area
to
me
and
I've
been
here
for
over
four
decades.
This
is
the
heart
of
our
community.
This
is
where
the
Pioneer
homes
are.
This
is
where
the
early
founders
settled.
This
is
how
the
university
came
to
be
what
it
is,
and
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
we
protect
to
that
heart
as
well.
L
I
recognize
her
some
derelict
homes
there
and
I
see
them
because
I
live
on
300
West
and
a
good
portion
of
the
homes
around
me
are
rented
to
students.
I
have
difficulty
parking,
I
gain
out
of
my
driveway
almost
every
single
day,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
streets
aren't
public
streets
and
people
shouldn't
be
allowed
to
park
on
them.
I
may
differ
from
some
of
the
people
in
this
room
on
that,
but
these
are
public
streets.
F
Was
there
any
parking
provided
for
that
whole
complex?
There
was
not
okay,
so
would
you
agree
that
probably
some
of
the
parking
congestion
up
200
West?
Is
it
due
to
the
fact
of
Shakespeare
visit
during
the
summer
months?
Yes,
that's
my
point:
it's
not
I.
Don't
think
you
can
blame
all
the
parking
on
renters
or
tenants
or
whatever
I
think
a.
O
F
L
Students
are
visitors
as
well
they're,
here,
nine
months
or
seven
months,
and
then
they
go
away
and
come
back
yeah,
no,
no,
no,
no
I'm,
not
and
I
would
just
say,
though.
Finally,
my
final
point
would
be
clearly.
There
has
been
enough
discussion
about
this.
That
more
time
is
needed.
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
think
this
through
I'm,
not
sure
that
a
week
is
enough
time.
Maybe
it
is,
but
I
would
urge
you
if
you
have
conversations
with
people
involved
in
this
process.
L
F
Thanks
I
just
want
to
recap
a
couple
things
around
I'm:
sorry,
it's
late,
but
so
we're
looking
at
and
I
appreciate
what
Spencer
said
and
in
you
know,
I
have
to
I
have
to
say
that
I
I'm
in
the
construction
field,
I've
been
in
a
long
time
and
I've
worked
a
lot
of
different
people.
A
lot
of
them
have
spoken
tonight,
but
we
can
either
let
the
private
sector
take
care
of
this.
This
need
in
our
university
or
we
can
let
the
stay
come
bill
them.
If
the
state
bills
them.
F
We
received
no
property
taxes
from
those
buildings,
none
and
so
Mike's
fire
department.
You
get
nothing
from
the
from
the
from
the
revenue
from
those
buildings
and
that's
a
point
five
and
we're
looking
at
point
six,
five
and
and
we
can
either
let
the
private
sector
take
care
of
this
and
have
that
revenue
in
our
community
or
not,
and
that's
really
what
it
boils
down
to.
In
my
opinion,.
V
V
F
V
F
It's
proven
that
the
parking
which
Gateway
north
has
and
I
just
use
that,
because
it's
been
there
two
years
now
and
we
have
the
same
discussion,
then
it's
proven
that
the
parking
has
been
ample
at
eight
point.
Eight
five
has
been
more
than
enough
that
point.
Six
five
would
have
been
enough
because
the
only
difference
is
there's
a
wall
between
two
beds
and
and
if,
if
there
wasn't
that
wall
b2
between
two
beds,
one
point
three
would
have
been
fine
and
it
would
have
been
plenty
of
parking.
That's
the
only
difference.
V
Y
V
F
F
The
people
from
Gateway
NORs
that
are
not
going
to
drive
over
there
and
park
it
and
walk
further
to
school
than
they
are
from
their
apartment
building,
that's
the
point.
Ma'am
is
if
they
can
build
apartments
with
parking
close
to
the
universe,
they're
going
to
walk
to
class
they're
not
going
to
drive.
AI
AI
V
F
V
So
is,
and-
and
forgive
me
because
I'm
not
obviously
educated
on
this
point-
this
this
zone-
that
is
around
the
university
now
this
quarter
mile
zone-
is
this
parking
issue
a
toe
in
the
water
for
an
overlay
of
Zoning,
in
that
that
means
that
they
could
put
these
buildings
apartments
anywhere
they
wish
or
in
what
would?
There
was
some
some
discussion
that
I
heard.
That
would
be
that
this
would
become
an
overlay
zone
and
they
wouldn't
have
to
come
back
to
the
city
for
zoning
changes
to
put
more
apartment
buildings.
V
H
V
We
were
at
the
meeting
last
night
and
we
kind
of
laughed
and
said
you
know:
I've
had
to
call
the
police
three
times
in
the
last
six
months
to
have
someone
moved
from
my
driveway,
and
this
morning
we
had
to
call
the
police
again
because
they
over
our
driveway
we
couldn't
get
in
and
out
now
the
code
enforcement
did
come
today.
That's
a
great
thing
because
in
the
past
they
have
not
shown,
but
they
didn't
ticket
the
person.
So
there
is
an
enforcement
issue
as
well,
like
you
said,.
V
This
this
permit
only
I
agree
with
Scott
Phillips
that
that
this
is
going
to
snowball
that
people
are
gonna,
want
residential
parking
only
and
and
I,
don't
know
how
far
you
can
go
with
that.
So,
yes,
I
I,
think
that
your
table
or
bringing
in
more
time
for
Studies
on
this
is
a
great
idea,
because
this
this
does
affect
velocity.
AA
I
currently
live
in
one
of
the
levant
land
buildings
on
450
I
live
right
across
the
street
from
the
two
buildings
that
all
my
classes
are
in
and
I
never
drive
to
any
classes
or
to
any
school
related
activities,
because
it's
easier
for
me
to
walk
there
than
it
is
to
drive
and
try
to
find
a
parking
place.
That
being
said,
parking
is
not
as
much
of
an
issue
on
the
actual
University
Lots,
as
it's
made
out
to
be
every
time
I've
to
either
of
the
three
free
parking
ones.
AA
Throughout
this
semester,
there's
been
parking
available
and
also
I
was
just
like
to
say
that
I'm
about
to
graduate
I'm
about
to
start
making
my
life
in
Cedar,
City
and
and
from
that
perspective,
I
would
much
prefer
that
Andy
gets
to
build
the
buildings
rather
than
the
state.
So
I
would
prefer
that
it
goes
to
the
private
sector
in
Cedar,
City
and
just
my
final
point
is
that
sharing
a
room,
absolutely
sucks
I
can.
O
AA
Only
experience
living
in
a
shared
room,
my
roommates
boyfriend,
lived
in
our
room.
Also.
Not
only
was
I
frequently
locked
out
missed
sleep
missed
classes,
because
I
could
not
get
my
things
because
they
locked
me
out.
It
was
just
a
terrible,
terrible
experience,
so
many
students
want
that
private
room
because
it
makes
the
college
experience
that
much
better.
So
I
just
felt
that
I.
AC
AA
B
AA
And
I
would
also
like
to
point
out
that
if
you
start
enforcing
the
code,
students
will
start
listening.
I
have
six
dollars
in
my
bank
account
right
now.
I
cannot
afford
a
$500.
Fine
and
I
do
not
want
to
have
to
call
my
dad
who
sponsors
my
education
and
my
food
and
my
bills:
hey
Dad
I
parked
in
a
fire
lane
I
need
$500.
That
is
not
a
conversation
that
anyone
wants
to
have.
AA
A
P
P
Any
problem
is
a
good
problem
when
it's
especially
dealing
with
growth
and
a
betterment
of
society,
the
difference
is,
is
there's
a
lot
of
opinions
here.
I
hear
you
know,
there's
work
through
there's
kind
of
plans
in
action
as
far
as
going
through
that,
but
kind
of
working
through
all
the
details,
getting
the
input
kind
of
a
recap
of
the
whole
meeting
here,
but
I'm
also
an
investor
and
a
developer
with
with
real
property
as
well,
so
where
it
comes
to
home,
with
Cedar
City.
P
P
The
only
thing
that
I
would
caution
is
encroaching
upon
the
public
sector
of
certain
ordinances,
where
there's
mention
as
far
as
if,
if
the
landlord
puts
it
in
a
lease
as
far
as
specific
parking,
then
that
landlord
would
be
able
to
get
ticketed
for
certain
violations.
Looking
at
specific
rights
of
private
property
as
then
having
those
those
sanctions
or
tickets
rollover
to
the
tenant.
That's
a
very
great
area
as
far
as
those
those
sectors
and
those
sections
of
law,
and
things
like
that.
P
You
have
two
great
legal
counsel
to
be
able
to
work
through
that
to
explain
that
a
little
bit
more
in
detail,
but
the
overall
thing
is
is
I
would
just
strongly
suggest
that
and
I
understand
that
it's
tabled,
that
it's
going
possibly
a
field
trip,
that'll,
be
a
great
field
trip
and
and
looking
at
things,
but
to
seriously
look
into
the
impact.
You
know
there's
great
points
as
far
as
a
the
state
can
do
of
0.5
and
it
can
meet
at
that
standard.
P
Suu
has
no
standards,
but
here's
the
board
and
here's
the
body
right
here
that
fills
the
position
for
future
generation.
So
is
that
work
through
going
to
leave
a
bigger
impact
that
causes
more
frustration
and
problem,
or
is
it
able
to
be
worked
through
in
a
win-win
of
all
the
people
here,
all
the
interests
to
the
best
win-win
as
far
as
looking
at
it
working
through
it
to
see
how
it
will
be
able
to
be
done,
but
also
Suu?
Is
it's
not
going
to
go
away?
P
The
more
Suu
grows,
the
more
there's
more
businesses,
there's
more
there's
more
Residential's,
so
it
keeps
feeding
itself
over
and
over
and
over.
So
when
those
ordinances
are
put
into
place,
how
is
it
going
to
do
for
future
development
on
another
issue
as
far
as
the
development,
if
there's
changes,
what
are
those
changes
all
the
way
through
even
on
zoning
changes,
even
on
you
know,
highway
service
to
the
central
commercial?
What
is
the
future
development?
There
is
going
to
be
a
lot
of
growth
here.
P
B
Would
like
to
of
that
just
think
our
visitors
here
tonight
for
a
civil
dialogue.
It's
a
very
difficult
issue,
but
I
she
ate
that
everyone
here
has
been
able
to
express
themselves
in
a
in
a
civilized
way,
and
it
just
makes
for
a
much
nicer
meeting.
We
do
better
when
we're
not
don't
have
so
much
adrenaline
in
our
blood
and.
B
Would
suggest
perhaps
that
maybe
mr.
cousins,
maybe
mrs.
Hartley,
meet
with
the
fire
chief,
the
the
builders,
the
city
crew,
have
some
meeting
this
week
and
see
if
there's
a
middle
ground
and
and
and
a
couple
of
citizen
interested
citizens
see
if
there
could
be
some
middle
ground
worked
out.
Is
this
gentleman
suggest
and.
P
B
B
E
Just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
now
that
we've
listened
everybody
I
like
to
listen
to
everybody
speaking
before
I
speak
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
coming
and
expressing
your
views,
because
this
is
what
we
need,
as
decision-makers
in
the
city
is
to
have
all
of
the
viewpoints
discussed.
I
still
have
I
was
just
counting
up
five
more
emails
on
my
phone
that
I
need
that
look
at
I
returned
all
the
phone
calls
I
could
before
5:30
and
have
spent
four
and
a
half
hours
today
in
meetings
with
different
individuals
in
the
community.
E
It
was
a
huge
discussion.
We
took
a
lot
of
input
and,
yes,
I,
think
probably
at
the
time
we
thought.
Maybe
we
were
going
out
on
the
lam
a
little
bit.
You
know
because
it
was
a
new
experience,
but
there's
been
some
really
good
points
and
and
through
my
discussion
today,
I've
seen
some
new
things
that
I
hadn't
heard,
but
I
would
just
you
know
we
talk
about
a
field
trip.
I
did
a
field
trip
yesterday,
so
I
wanted
to
just
throw
my
two
cents
in
and
then
we'll
be
done.
E
Cuz
it's
past
dinner
time,
I
visited
Gateway
because
I'm
pretty
familiar
with
that
project,
because
it
was
built
during
my
term
and
and
besides
I
like
to
pick
on
brand
on
that
area.
Transmen
anyway,
I
went
over
there.
Yesterday
midday,
it
was
some
words
around
1:30,
30
ish
somewhere
in
that
area,
I
spent
a
little
time
in
the
parking
lot
and
made
sure
I
knew
which
cars
were
where
yesterday
there
was
26
empty
parking
spaces.
E
When
I
was
in
there
in
your
lawn
there
was
6
cars
parked
on
the
street.
That
I
waited
long
enough
to
see
if
they
were
students
living
in
your
complex
and
they
were
because
they
all
came
out
and
moved
so
they
could
have
parked
in
the
law.
You
know
there
was
plenty
of
plenty
of
spots,
so
I
calculated
just
because
you
know
that
you
were
at
the
0.85
when
you
built
gateway.
E
If
we
went
down
to
0.65
and
I
just
used
that
number,
because
that's
what
the
request
was,
would
mean
that
that
you
would
eliminate
16
parking
spaces
that
you
were
required
to
have
in
there
with
the
six
that
were
on
the
street,
going
back
in
there,
that
that
leaves
about
still
21
empty
parking
spaces.
But
you
could
have
what
we
could
have.
You
could
have
eliminated
I'm
saying
if
it
was
the
lower
and
I'm
just
using
this
as
an
illustration
that
how
it
worked,
you
would
still
have
five
empty
parking.
Spaces
include.
E
E
Not
because
I've
been
told
them
by
and
I
won't
I
won't
point
him
out
he's
here
tonight,
but
been
told
that
that
there
isn't
a
parking
problem
at
Suu.
It's
a
student
mentality
problem,
so
I
would
suggest
that
the
university
add
the
freshman
orientation.
If
I'm
going
to
have
a
car,
where
can
I
park
it
and
how
do
I
park
it
and
how
do
I
cross
the
street
where
the
intersections
been
provided
with
a
soft
light
and
all
of
these
other
things
that
the
students
run
rampant,
doing
all
kinds
of
different
things.
E
I
guess
they
need
to
have
that
in
the
curriculum.
Then,
if
it's
a
mentality
issue,
but
anyway,
Fred
to
your
question,
I
did
check
out
your
your
gateway
yeast.
You
had
20
some-odd
cars
in
there
as
well
that
you
have
still
empty
spaces
over
there
in
the
back,
but
there
was
about
20
cars
in
there.
I
was
kind
of
curious
because
you
don't
have
that
many
units
I
wondered
how
many
were
parking
there
to
go
to
from
elsewhere
to
go
to
campus,
but
anyway,
I
just
thought.
E
E
They
were
made
to
comply.
You
know
earlier,
but
then
they
came
in
for
adjustments
to
that
before.
That
was
built.
So
that's
how
they
got
the
point:
seven-five
just
a
little
history.
It
is
across
the
freeway.
Yes,
it
would
be
out
of
this
zone
because
the
zone
only
goes
to
1150
west
and
another
quarter
of
a
mile.
Wouldn't
quite
reach
them
yeah,
but
it's
a
huge
problem
chief
brought
up
all
the
issues.
Yeah,
we
could
have
lost
much
of
lives
in
there.
Sarah
parked
everywhere,
hey
Randy,.
P
Or
all
I
just
had
a
quick
question:
has
anyone
looked
at
the
option
of
possibly
metered
parking
on
some
of
these
residential
areas
that
are
right
by
there
right
by
the
around
the
university?
That
would
possibly
redirect
some
of
that
student
overflow
into
some
designated
parking
that
may
be
established
already.