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From YouTube: 2017 01 11 Cedar City Council Action Meeting
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Weekly scheduled public City Council meetings for Cedar City, UT
C
Good
evening,
everybody,
let's
bow
our
heads
in
our
hearts
together
and
ask
for
some
divine
intervention:
gracious
heavenly
father.
We
are
so
grateful
for
all
that
you're
doing
among
us
and
for
these
wonderful
men
and
women
who
make
cedar
city
what
it
is.
C
Lord,
we
we
come
before
you
in
in
desperate
times
and
in
desperate
need
of
your
hand
among
us,
and
the
desire
in
all
of
our
hearts
is
that
we
would
be
able
to
work
together
and
have
a
sense
of
camaraderie
and
a
sense
of
peace
as
we
work
through
issues
that
affect
us
all,
lord,
we
we
understand
that
that
everybody
doesn't
agree
and,
and
all
the
decisions
are
not
easily
made,
and
decisions
are,
are
often
much
easier
made
by
those
not
burdened
with
carrying
them
out.
C
But
that
all
being
said,
we
need
your
intervention
and
your
wisdom
among
us
and
and
your
your
sense
of
peace
that
only
you
can
bring
and
a
sense
that
we
can
work
together
to
see
this.
This
wonderful
city
and
this
wonderful
place
become
all
that
it
can
be
be
with
us
this
evening,
as
we
talk
together
and
work
together.
I
prayed
in
jesus
name,
amen,
amen,.
D
A
D
A
lingering
question
has
been
whether
to
use
the
land
north
of
the
aquatic
center
for
a
basketball
facility
or
for
an
ice
rink.
The
ice
rink
question
hinged
on
whether
it
would
be
a
viable
venture
after
three
years
of
solid
activity.
I
believe
that
we
can
answer
that
question
in
the
affirmative,
but
then
the
question
arises:
does
it
stay
where
it
is
or
does
it
move
so
we
can
build
some
basketball
courts.
D
Last
night
I
received
the
answer
to
that
question.
Chris
hudson
informed
me
that
there
is
room
enough
at
the
front
of
the
aquatic
center
to
build
three
indoor
basketball
courts.
Chris
said
it's
actually
preferable
to
the
ice
rink
site
because
the
workers
at
the
front
desk
and
monitor
the
gym
activity
from
where
they
sit.
D
I
propose
that
we
designate
the
front
of
the
building
for
the
outdoor
basketball
court
sit
as
the
site
for
a
future
gymnasium.
I
propose
that
we
consider
a
long-term
lease
for
the
ice
rink
site.
There
are
private
entities
at
this
point
that
are
interested
investing
enough
money
to
turn
this
area
into
a
year-round
destination
site.
D
Finally,
I
propose
that
we
formally
set
up
city
managed
sport,
specific
foundations,
where
interested
citizens
can
donate
their
funds
to
build
facilities
that
they
want
to
see
built.
They
can
donate
to
these
funds
with
full
confidence
that
all
the
money
that
they
raise
will
be
specifically
used
to
build
the
facilities
of
their
choice.
D
D
I'm
I'm
proposing
that
this
be
considered
as
the
master
plan
is
developed
and
because
the
ice
rink
folks
would
like
to
have
something
in
place
before
the
next
year
at
least
have
that
portion
of
the
program
done,
but
to
consider
putting
this
in
to
the
master
plan
it.
This
needs
to
go
through
the
leisure
services
committee.
First.
H
I
D
Yeah-
and
none
of
that
has
to
be
done
immediately
or
at
any
time
soon,
but
it
does
free
up
the
possibility
of
locking
the
ice
rink
once
and
for
all,
taking
it
out
of
limbo
and
getting
something
going
there,
because
there
are
funds
right
now
available
to
to
make
that
something
permanent
with
the
with
that.
So
we
we
don't
have
to
build
basketball,
courts
or
soccer
fields
for
a
hundred
years,
but
at
least
we
would
know
where
they
would
be
built
and
could
have
a
plan
towards
getting
toward
them.
D
I
think
the
the
foundation
idea
that
was
mentioned
last
night
is
a
very
nice
idea,
or
people
who
have
an
interest
in
a
particular
sport
can
donate
toward
that.
So
that's
a
proposal
that
I
would
like
to
formally
make
at
some
point
and
if
it
involves.
D
Council
or
where
you
know
whatever
the
procedure
needs
to
be
fred.
A
D
With
with
the
potential
of
having
a
new
place
to
build
basketball
courts,
that's
why
I
thought
we
might
could
maybe
finally
settle
that
and
and
look
into
the
possibility
of
a
lease
to
that,
so
that
the
developer
could
be
confident
they
could
move
forward
and
make
some
improvements.
It
would
make
it
a
year-round
attraction.
F
D
D
Yeah,
that's
kind
of
the
plan.
Thank.
A
You,
sir
big
f,
are
there
other?
Yes,.
K
So
mayor
I've
since
we've
talked
about
the
animal
shelter
and
looked
at
some
of
the
proposed
costs.
On
that
I
I
took
the
liberty
last
week
to
print
out
the
plan,
the
breakdown
of
the
costs
and
and
I
went
out-
met
with
tina
at
the
animal
shelter
and
I
went
through
the
blueprint
that
we
have
that
were
considering
you
know,
duplicating
and
just
went
room
to
room
and
kind
of
talked
to
her
about
some
different
options.
Just
an
example:
the
in
the
euthanasia
room.
K
There
was
three
candles
drawn
in
that
room
and
I
asked
her
if
that's
necessary
and
she
said
no,
I
don't
know
why
we
would
have
candles
in
the
euthanasia
room
you'd
take
an
animal
from
their
kennel,
where
we
store
them
and
take
them
in
that
room
so
that
room
can
be
cut
in
half.
We
can
use
the
other
half
of
that
room
for
storage.
K
K
We
cut
that
in
half
did
I
just
you
know
redlined
the
drawings
a
little
bit
with
her,
and
then
I
met
with
paul
and
and
and
chief
adams
and
kind
of
went
over
some
ideas-
and
I
know
tom
has
has
visited
with
tom
jed
has
visited
with
his
friends
heath
olveson
and
he's
committed
to
help
us
with
some
of
the
sketch
drawings.
K
K
And
so
I
you
know
just
just
eliminating
like
the
outside
storage
room
and
then
moving
into
two
offices
that
protruded
out
in
the
front
back
behind
tina's
office.
You
know
it
was
about
you
know
about
eighty
to
ninety
thousand
dollars
worth
of
score.
It
had
140
dollars
a
square
foot
it
saved,
but
anyway
going
through.
All
of
that,
I
think
we
could
trim
just
rough
calculations.
K
K
And
go
through
that
to
see
where
we
can
value
engineering
and
get
the
cost
of
that.
We
want
to
build
something
nice
and
she
needs
something
good
out
there
in
the
department.
But
let's
try
to
design
something,
that's
reasonable
and
that
works
for
what
they
need.
But
it
doesn't,
you
know,
cost
that
kind
of
money.
A
E
K
I
talked
to
carter
enterprises
there,
my
neighbor
around
the
corner.
I
walked
over
and
talked
to
chad,
carter
and
you
know
just
about
square
footage
costs
and
different
things
and-
and
you
know,
looking
at
the
administration,
administrative
and
and
and
architecture
costs
on
that
project.
He
said
there's
and
I
I
don't
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
the
architects
that
have
been
in
business
for
many
years.
K
Some
of
them
gone
out
of
business,
but
there's
two
new
ones
in
town
that
they
really
like,
and
I
hope
when
we
look
at
this
project
and
others
that
we
look
at
local
or
local
architects.
There's
two
you
know
chad
just
said
these
guys
could
do
that
in
their
sleep
and-
and
so
I
hope
we
look
locally
before
we
go
to
town
with
with
help.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
going
out
there
and
looking
at
all
of
it,
there's
something
that
I'll
propose
it
right
now
to
you
guys.
We
would
like
to
do
a
tour
before
budget
season
starts
and
go
and
look
at
all
of
the
city
facilities
just
so
we
all
are
on
the
same
page
with
what
we're
talking
about
it'll
be
fun.
If.
A
A
A
D
I
read
somewhere
this
month
about
a
movement
across
america
to
for
cities
to
dispense
with
printing
legal
ads
in
the
newspaper
because
of
the
cost,
and
because
of
the
fact
that
there
are
many
other
ways
for
people
to
get
their
information.
So
I
don't
know
if
it
would
behoove
us
to
encourage
our
legislators
to
get
us
a
law.
You
know,
that'd
save
us
a
pretty
good
chunk
of
money.
Yeah.
I
A
Okay,
here's
a
couple
things:
if
there
isn't
this
saturday
there's
an
suu
basketball
game,
it's
actually
cedar
city
day
at
the
basketball
game
starts
at
6
30
pm
they're
playing
portland
state
monday
is
martin
luther
king
day.
The
city
office
will
be
closed,
but
at
7
pm
there
is
a
program
that
will
be
held
at
saint
jude's
episcopal
church.
K
Ryan,
I
was
walking
down
the
industrial
road
the
other
day
and
right
there
by
the
property
tom
owns
there,
there's
a
pothole
right
there
and
it's
I've
hit
it
a
few
times,
but
I
was
driving
or
I
was
walking
by
there
and
there's
a
there's.
Actually
a
looks
like
a
culvert
and
it's
breaking
through
there's
actually
a
hole
through
the
culvert
I
texted
it.
I
took
a
picture
and
texted
jeff,
but
he
never
responded.
He
might
not
have
seen
it,
but.
K
Right
after
after
the
coke
plant
and
then
tom's
property
right
after
that,
where
the
old
monument
used
to
be
that
it's
something
it
might
break
through,
and
and
would
you
take
a
look
at
that
and
see
what
we
need
to
do
thanks.
A
G
L
L
Kirk
was
nominated
by
brian
dangerfield,
kirk's,
enthusiasm
and
can-do
attitude
makes
him
a
valuable
member
of
the
cedar
city,
leisure
service
and
parks
division
team.
He
has
worked
for
the
parks
division
since
october
of
2014
amongst
kirk's
responsibilities
are
the
parks
and
outdoor
facilities
in
the
downtown
area.
L
Kirk
deals
with
a
very
busy
schedule
of
festival
and
sporting
events
during
the
summer
months,
including
numerous
parades,
festivals
and
large
activities
at
main
street
park
and
historic
downtown.
He
gets
along
well
with
his
fellow
employees
and
the
parks
and
event
patrons,
which
is
essential
in
dealing
with
the
diverse
groups
to
visit
these
prominent
venues.
L
His
his
fun
and
professional
attitude
is
a
huge
asset
to
the
city
and
creating
great
working
relationships
among
these
groups.
Kirk's
past
professional
experience
has
allowed
the
city
to
save
a
lot
of
money
on
various
projects.
Both
emergencies
and
planned
projects
that
have
been
accomplished
within
the
parks,
kirk's
a
great
supervisor,
and
he
and
his
employees
will
do
everything
they
can
to
make
sure
the
downtown
area
is
neat
and
well
presented.
L
For
the
many
people
who
visit
these
areas,
one
of
kirk's
most
enjoyable
times,
is
setting
up
the
christmas
decorations
at
main
street
park
city
hall
and
mayor
square
park.
Many
people
have
commented
how
nice
it
is
to
have
these
areas
decorated
as
a
result
of
his
efforts.
Many
visitors
and
citizens
have
a
good
impression
of
our
city.
He
has
a
credit
to
cedar
city,
corporation
and
leisure
service
department.
D
M
M
Mayor
and
council
I
passed
out
to
you
a
copy
of
what
was
presented
last
night
at
the
town
hall
meeting.
I
have
no
intention
to
go
over
all
of
that,
but
wanted
to
point
out
a
couple
of
things
with
the
packet
is
the
goals
that
were
presented,
the
findings
of
the
survey
and
also
a
copy
of
the
questions.
Some
there
was
some
question
and
even
controversy.
M
Some
people
felt
like
some
areas
of
town
were
not
represented
correctly.
That
items
might
have
been
left
off.
I'd
like
you
to
pay
attention
to
question
number
three
where
we
asked
the
frequency
of
members
of
your
household
and
how
often
they
use
certain
types
of
recreational
venues
on
that
list.
I
decided
to
list
city
run
and
city
owned
facilities,
the
exception
of
that
would
be
the
basketball
courts
and
what
was
left
off
of
that
was
the
ice
rink,
because
it's
privately
run
and
at
least
from
the
city.
M
Looking
back
on,
that
probably
should
have
added
that
to
that
questionnaire,
but
this
this
question
was
only
asking
what
the
participation
levels
were
where
we
make
up
for
that
question
is
on
question
number
10,
where
we
ask
in
winter
sports
participation,
ice
hockey
and
ice
skating,
where
they
scored
very
well,
so
that
information
actually
rolled
up
into
that
area.
M
M
M
Now
the
question
did
come
up.
What
about
the
the
surveys
that
were
filled
out
by
hand
that
was
done
at
the
original
town
hall
meeting
we
had
back
in
october
at
the
next
council
meeting
on
november
17th.
I
said
from
here
that
I
had
concerned
that
we
had
children
filling
out
forms
on
behalf
of
households.
We
had
58
people
fill
out
forms
and
the
the
data
was
really
skewed.
It
showed
that
the
data
just
didn't
look
like
it
worked
very
well.
M
So
what
we
wanted
to
do-
and
we
mentioned
this
last
night-
is
anybody
that
filled
out
a
form
by
hand
can
go
online.
They
can
go
to
cedarcity.org,
and
you
know
we
apologize
for
the
inconvenience
of
this,
but
but
to
keep
the
data
pure,
because
we
did
change
some
of
the
questions
from
that
handwritten
survey
to
the
one
online
we'd
like
them
to
go
to
cedarcity.org
and
at
the
bottom
right
hand.
Corner
is
a
link
to
the
survey,
and
we
can
certainly
gather
that
information.
M
K
M
K
The
other
issue
you
were
concerned
about
that
first
meeting
where
or
a
certain
group
was,
was
well
represented
there,
and
but
there
was
never
any
communication.
I
was
at
that
meeting.
There
was
never
any
communication
that
each
individual
member
of
the
family
couldn't
fill
out
a
form
it
was
not.
It
was
not
communicated
very
well
and
so
to
throw
that
whole
group
out
on
that
first
meeting,
who
made
the
effort
to
come
to
the
media?
K
I
don't
think
is
right
and
and
and
the
other
thing
when
you
look
at
your
when
you
look
at
your
survey,
this
is
a
problem
I
have
with
it
brian.
When
you
look
at
we've,
got
we've
got
a
certain
city
employee
who
has
certain
interests
that
she's
involved
in
sending
out
a
mass
email
to
different
soccer
and
basketball
and
different
groups
asking
them
to
to
make
sure
they
fill
the
and
giving
them
a
link
and
filling
out
that
link
and
and
specifying
that
she
wanted
them
to
focus
on
certain
areas.
K
M
K
K
Tell
you
another
thing:
brian
those
people
that
came
to
that
first
town
hall
meeting
made
an
effort
to
come.
Other
groups
could
have
come,
they
could
have
come
to
that
meeting
and
made
an
effort
to
come
too
and
because
that
group
showed
up
and
made
an
effort
to
fill
those
out.
I
I
have
a
problem
with
us
throwing
that
out
it.
M
Let
me,
let
me
explain
the
difference
one
is
we
encouraged
all
of
our
staff
members.
Whatever
sports
organizations
are
out
there,
we
need
to
have
everybody's
voice
heard
from
horseshoes
to
basketball
to
ice
hockey.
We
wanted
everybody
to
have
the
opportunity,
but
when
we
have
children,
sometimes
five
children
per
family
go
and
fill
a
form
out
and
fill
it
out
five
times.
M
K
D
Is
there
any
way
to
tell
the
household,
so
you
can
just
take
one
household
worth
off
of
the
paper
paper.
N
M
I
mean
you
know
if
if
we
had
to,
we
could
go
through
and
we
could
do
like
broward
county
and
count
chads
and
do
all
kinds
of
things,
but
we're
allowing
everybody
for
the
next
three
weeks
to
go
on
and
be
able
to
fill
this
out
and
and
actually
have
the
benefit
of
all
this
time
to
be
able
to
go.
Oh,
I
didn't,
I
just
thought
of
that,
and
it
will
it'll
be
a
better
survey.
If
we
do
that
to
be
able
to,
I
will
never
do
another
handwritten
survey
ever
again.
It's
not
it's.
M
K
M
M
D
M
D
D
K
But
it,
but
it
it
it's
similar
to
it's
similar
to
when,
when
the
bond
election
was
going
to
be
made
for
the
aquatic
center,
and
we
had
city
employees
out
knocking
on
doors
and
handing
out
flyers
on
city
time
to
try
to
get
that
passed
it.
It
just
rubs
me
wrong.
I.
M
M
Why
you
do
a
survey
is
to
get
input
and
the
comments
are
more
important
to
me
than
than
the
numbers
numbers
with
a
thousand
people
responding
representing
thirty,
almost
thirty
five
hundred
people-
that's
ten
percent
of
our
population.
That's
a
really
good
representation
of
of
the
opinions
of
of
our
of
our
town,
it's
not
life
or
death.
On
this
thing,
it's
a
five
ten
and
20
year
plan.
I
would
hope
that
there'd
at
least
be
10
priorities
there.
M
K
Agreed,
but
I
hope
we
take
it
with
a
grain
of
salt.
You
know
the
the
the
survey.
D
G
J
G
F
K
A
Now
that
we
I
mean
that
was
just
one
of
those
where
we're
learning
now
that
you
don't
do
surveys
that
way,
and
we
should
have
emphasized
the
other
things
I
don't
think
any
of
it
was
intentional
trying
to
create
problems.
It
was
just
we
didn't
realize
that
many
people
were
going
to
show
up,
and
you
know.
A
K
And
I
and
I-
and
I
applaud
you
brian
for
for
your
efforts-
I
do
and
I
think
you're
doing
a
fantastic
job
for
our
city.
I
really
do
I
I
congratulate
what
you're
doing
I
I
am.
I
am
and
I'll
just
I'll
just
state
it
publicly.
I
am
this
study's
going
to
come
out
and
it's
going
to
give
us
a
wish
list
of
things
we
can't
afford
in
the
city
right
now
we
have.
We
have
other
pressing
needs
in
this
city.
K
We
we
need
to
get
the
affluent
at
the
water
treatment
plant
that
2600
acre
feet
of
water.
We
need
to
get
it
to
beneficial
use
right
now
we
have
a
groundwater
management
plan
where
this
city
stands
to
lose
28
million
dollars
worth
of
our
water,
because
the
state
engineer
can
come
in
and
say:
you're
done,
you,
your
water,
a
third
or
two
thirds
of
your
water
rights
are
become
junior
rights
and
I
I
have
not
got
the
appetite
to
vote
for
more
debt
and
more
bonds
for
recreation
for
this
city.
I'll
just
say
it
plainly.
K
The
reason
I
the
reason
I've
been
so
supportive
of
the
ice
rink.
Is
it
has
cost
us
zero
dollars
to
the
taxpayer
other
than
rap
tax
money
that
they
voted
for
and
and
that's
why
I'm
a
big
supporter
it
gives
us
a
winner
venue
that
costs
us
nothing.
I
think
the
money
that
we
have
to
spare.
We
need
to
focus
on
our
water
needs
in
this
valley.
That
is
the
number
one
issue
we
have
facing
us
right
now,
and
I
think
this
is
fine
to
look
at
needs
down
the
road.
H
And
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
get
some
items
and
get
some
costs.
You
know
and
see
what
the
possibilities
are.
That's
what
this
whole
thing
is
designed
around.
It's
not
a
witch
hunt
at
one
event,
because
I
don't
think
there's
any
of
us
that
wouldn't
like
to
see
any
of
the
events
in
our
city,
because
people
have
different
ideas
and
different
passions
for
things.
H
I
don't
think
anybody
up
here
on
the
bench
is
against
the
ice
hockey
people,
but
we
kind
of
feel
like
we're
being
attacked
like
we're,
putting
them
under
the
rug,
and
I
don't
think
that's
anywhere
near
the
the
concept
that
this
was
intended
to
do.
It's
just
that.
We've
got
some
other
people
in
the
city
that
are
interested
in
some
other
things
other
than
ice
hockey,
and
I
think
that's
a
fair
that's.
What
this
whole
thing
was
designed
to
do
is
get
some
input.
For
heaven's
sakes,
that's
what
that's!
H
So
we
did
have
a
a
good
response,
but
but
yes,
we
have
to
be,
you
know
frugal
and
manage
you
know
the
funds,
we're
not
saying,
and
you
brought
you
made,
that
point
up
front
that
we're
not
just
you
know
going
to
have
all
these
events
or
all
these
new
facilities
and
yeah
we're
going
to
start
right
here
and
we're
going
to
start
building
them.
That's
that's
not
what
this
is.
H
I
mean
it,
but
it's
to
get
an
idea
of
what
we
can,
but
I
don't
think
any
of
us
are
going
to
you
know:
go
overboard
into
debt
or
bonding
or
whatever
to
build.
You
know
facilities
that
we
can't
afford
to
maintain
and
everything
else.
So
that's
that
was
my
thoughts
on
the
survey.
I
can't
believe
either.
That's
gotten
this
hostile
over
one
one
event
in
particular,
because
you
know
just
because
there
was
a
lot
of
interest
there
with
those
people,
and
I
don't
think
any
of
us
have
a
problem
with
it.
H
It's
just
there's
other
there's
other
things
that
people
have
passions
to
do
in
the
city,
and
I
think
we,
you
know
as
a
council,
we
have
to
respect
everybody's
opinion
or
we
try
to.
We
can't
always
do
what
everybody
wants,
but
we,
you
know
we
try
to
do
the
best
job.
We
can
and
you've
done
a
great
job
in
organizing
and
you
know
with
the
leisure
services,
committees
and
the
rest
of
them.
This
was
somewhere
to
start.
H
M
It's
exactly
right:
it
was
a
conversation
starter
one.
One
thing
I
you
know
I
come
to
city
council
meetings,
you
know
every
every
time
we
have
them,
and
I
hear
the
attention
given
to
the
public
safety
which
it
should
and
we
have
all
these
pressing
needs.
I
represent
the
leisure
services
department.
I
you
know
I
kirk
in
austin.
I
don't
know
who
else
from
our
department
is
here,
but
the
time
and
effort
and
the
pride
they
have
in
the
city
is
so
impressive
and
a
lot
of
times.
We
just
feel
like
we're.
M
Just
you
know
we're
nothing.
You
know
you
know
you
don't
deserve
any
part
of
the
budget.
We're
proposing
ways
to
create
revenue.
Bring
in
events
do
things
where
we
can
take
that
responsibility
and
that
burden
off
the
taxpayers,
just
as
suggested
with
the
ice
hockey
rink.
There
are
things
that
staff
is
working
on
right
now,
where
we
can
bring
that
business
plan
to
you
and
I'm
glad
chief
phillips
brought
up
the
the
plan
that
if
we
can
bring
in
more
revenue,
non-tax
revenue
so
much
the
better.
M
We
we
set
up
these
community
foundations
and
we
have
a
lot
of
generous
people
in
this
community.
I
I
saw
it
with
utah
summer
games
how
generous
people
were
and
how
generous
people
were
with
the
tour
of
utah,
one
guy
helping
raise
funds-
and
you
know,
raise
19
000
in
a
couple
of
weeks
to
help
with
the
tour
of
utah,
and
so
I
want
my
employees
to
know
how
much
I
appreciate
them
and
they're
just
as
valuable
as
any
other
employee.
M
Here
I
mean
we're
not
out
there
taking
bullets,
I
get
it,
we're
not
putting
fires
out,
but
they
have
their
own
risks
and
they
have
their
own
efforts,
the
and
the
pride
that
they
take
in
their
work
and
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
weekends,
a
lot
of
night
things
so
and
we're
all
over
town.
So
I
just
had
to
kind
of
get
that
off
my
chest
a
little
bit,
but
this
survey
was
a
conversation
starter.
It's
not
nobody's
on
the
hook
for.
K
A
M
Is
we're
looking
for
ways
to
try
and
conserve?
You
know
energy
and
water
and
trying
to
do
things
that
make
sense
and
generate
revenue.
We
really
are
we're
trying
to
be
entrepreneurial
and
innovative,
and-
and
we
appreciate
the
passion
of
the
hockey
people,
if
I
put
my
own
best
interest
and
put
my
own
interest,
I'm
trying
to
be
neutral
in
this
thing
I
worked
at
the
olympics
in
hockey,
I
worked
for
a
hockey
professional
hockey
league
team
in
in
las
vegas.
I
worked
on
the
international
hockey
league
media
relations
committee,
hosted
the
all-star
game.
E
You,
I
think,
you're
doing
a
great
job
and
just
the
comment
I
would
add,
we
can't
look
at
it.
It's
just
this
recreation
either
our
economic
development,
if
danny
or
here
I
mean
all
of
these
things
that
you
do
are
important
to
that.
We're
not
going
to
have
companies
locate
here
and
whatnot
if
they're,
not
things
for
their
employees
to
do
and
whatnot,
and
I
applaud
your
efforts
for
what
you're
trying
to
do.
K
To
that,
I'm
sorry,
terry
glad
you're
done
yeah.
I
just
I
would
be
just
as
passionate
about
any
other,
whether
it's
a
gymnasium
anything.
If
it's
a
public
private
partnership,
that's
costing
the
taxpayer.
I
I
have
no,
I
don't
play
hockey,
I
never!
You
know
I
never
even
knew
much
about
hockey
until
I
was
approached
by
steelies
to
support
it,
but
I
would
be
just
as
passionate
about
any
other
thing
in
this
city
if
it
didn't
cost
us
tax
dollars.
B
Morning
we
had
an
arsonist
going
through
cedar
city
lit
several
cars
on
fire,
four
different
locations
and
it
was
kind
of
one
of
those
crazy
mornings
and
if
it
wasn't
for
our
great
law
enforcement
I'll,
let
darren
talk
about
it.
I
asked
him
what
an
off-duty
officer
is
doing
up
that
time
of
morning.
He
had
a
really
good
excuse
for
it,
but
I
still
don't
know
if
I
believe
it,
but
we
had
fire
after
fire
after
fire
and
that
young
man
would
have
kept
on
lighting
those
fires.
B
O
Another
great
opportunity
to
work
together,
chief
adams,
police
department-
I
think
most
of
you
probably
know
the
details
there,
but
we
had
a
troubled
young
man
who
was
targeting
a
family
member
and
was
was
a
bit
suicidal
and
his
intent
was
to
to
inflict
some
damage
to
her
property
while
at
the
same
time
trying
to
to
take
his
own
life
and
he
lost
some
courage
there
as
he
put
it
when
we
interviewed
him
but
yeah
six,
six
vehicles,
four
or
yeah
four
locations.
There
was
one
location.
O
Hard
to
say
that
was
his
intent.
The
first
vehicle
that
was
his
intent
was
to
try
to
take
his
own
life
and
that
occurred
at
midnight,
and
then
it
took
almost
two
hours
later
for
the
next
one.
So
we
we
suspect
that
he
was
trying
to
get
up
the
courage
and
then
he
found
his
next
random
target,
which
was
down
on
1045
north
and
then
made
his
way
out.
10
minutes
later
to
equestrian
point,
where
there
were
three
vehicles
in
one
driveway
that
were
torched
and
then
to
the
final
location.
O
Run
all
yeah-
and
that
was
the
great
part
of
this,
is
as
our
officers
would
respond.
Firefighters
were
right
behind
extinguishing
those
two
of
them.
In
fact,
the
first
one
caught
part
of
the
carport
on
fire
and
if
dad
in
the
house
wouldn't
have
woken
up
for
a
drink
of
water,
they
may
have
missed
that,
and
the
house
would
have
engulfed
so
kudos
to
our
firefighters
and
their
response
to
each
one
of
those.
O
O
Graves
was
off
that
night
and
made
his
way
into
town
because
he
couldn't
sleep
to
pick
up
a
book
and
and
heard
the
call
about
three
in
the
morning
and
began
to
go
out
and
search,
and
this
young
man
had
made
his
way
from
the
cove
over
to
rose
hill,
road
just
below
ridge
drive
and
he
was
driving
by
and
saw
the
vehicle
and
the
young
man
and
and
put
him
under
arrest.
The
evidence
was
in
the
trunk
and
so
it's
possible.
O
O
Appreciate
that
and
the
great
teamwork
that
that
exists
there
it
was,
it
was
good
and
unfortunate,
but
hopefully
we
can
get
him
where
he
needs
to
be
and
get
him
the
help
that
he
needs.
So
thank
you
did.
O
The
two,
the
other
ones,
I'm
not
sure,
of
whether
it
was
them
or
a
passerby
that
happened
to
see
the
flames.
You
know.
O
B
G
P
P
The
record
daniel
royal
with
the
office
of
energy
development
up
in
salt
lake
city
and
the
reason
that
I
I
I
wanted
to
to
come
today
in
a
former
life.
P
Well,
I
mean,
I
wouldn't
say
it
for
my
life,
but
for
the
past
few
years
I've
worked
with
the
governor's
office
of
economic
development
goed,
as
some
of
you
know
where
I
worked
in
the
office
of
rural
development,
I
worked
with
jake
hardman,
I'm
sure
some
of
you
know
jake
and
dylan
fielding
and
linda
gilmore,
but
this
past
summer
I
transitioned
over
to
the
governor's
office
of
energy
development.
P
Where
and
this
this
office
has
a
new
program,
a
tax
credit
program
called
the
high
cost
infrastructure
tax
credit,
and
so
since
it's
a
new
program,
we're
taking
time
to
do
a
little
outreach
and
communicate
the
new
program,
what
it's
all
about,
how
it
can
benefit
companies
who
are
developing
infrastructure
and
things
like
that,
so
I'll
I'll
try
to
keep
it
attendants,
but
so
the
high
cost
infrastructure
tax
credit.
The
purpose
of
this
program
is
to
offset
the
cost
or
support
the
cost
of
developing
infrastructure.
P
The
purpose
of
the
program
is
to
promote
business
expansion
and
natural
resource
development
throughout
this,
the
states,
in
addition
to
that,
it
can
also
be
used
as
a
tool
to
attract
companies
to
certain
areas
of
utah
or
to
utah
in
general,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
I
was
with
the
governor's
office
of
economic
development
where,
every
month
I
sat
in
on
their
their
board
meetings
and
during
those
board
meetings,
they're,
always
companies
who
were
coming
to
utah
looking
at
utah
looking
to
to
get
incentives
to
come
to
utah
to
establish
themselves,
I
mean
quite
often
one
one.
P
I
don't
want
to
say
problem,
but
one
shortfall
of
of
of
those
efforts
is
that
a
lot
of
times
those
companies
were
coming
from
outside
the
states
they
were
coming
to
wasatch
fronts
or
areas
in
near
the
wasatch
front.
Rarely
did
those
companies
go
to
rural
utah.
P
Quite
often,
they
would
consider
rural
utah
when
they're
searching
for
areas
to
to
develop
their
their
their
their
new
facility,
but
oftentimes
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they'd
go
to
the
wasatch
front
and
one
reason
that
they
would
do
that
because
they
would
they
would
like
rural
utah
they'd
like
the
things
about
real
utah.
They
like
the
life
they
like
the
the
people,
they
like
the
work,
the
workforce
and
things
like
that
cheap
land
and
what
have
you?
P
But
one
problem
that
they
saw,
is
that
rural
utah
lacked
the
infrastructure
for
them
to
to
efficiently
develop
their
facility,
and
so
this
high
cost
infrastructure
tax
credit.
This
is
the
brainchild
of
senator
oakland
and
and
it's
used
as
a
tool
to
attract
those
companies
who
are
looking
at
the
wasatch
front.
And
so
now
we
can
say:
hey.
We've
got
this
new
tool
that
you
can
use
to
also
go
to
rural
utah.
P
The
state
has
the
what
they
call
the
edtev
program:
the
economic
development
tax,
increment
financing
program,
which
is
one
of
the
premier
programs
in
the
country
when
it
comes
to
incentives
and
attracting
businesses.
P
But
now
the
high
cost
infrastructure
tax
credit
is
another
arrow
for
the
the
the
state
to
use
to
attract
companies
to
utah
and
to
also
attract
wasatch
front-based
companies
to
expand
into
rural
utah.
Don't
hesitate
to
stop
me
if
you
have
any
questions.
One
caveat
about
this
program
is
that
you
cannot
use
it
with
the
edtif
program,
so
it's
either
one
or
the
other,
and
luckily,
with
my
past
at
goed,
I
know
the
incentives
team
quite
well
there.
We
we
talk
a
lot
bouncing
off
ideas.
P
We've
got
discomfort,
we've
got
that
company,
which
one
will
be
more
lucrative
for
this
company
so
and
so
forth.
So
it's
it's.
It's
a
good
fit
for
companies
who
might
not
fit
within
those
editive
parameters
a
little
bit
of
background
I'll
just
quickly
go
over
this
to
stay
within
time.
As
I
mentioned,
senator
oakland
was
his
grandchild
began
in
2012
went
through
the
process
of
of
creating
the
program.
The
legislation
was
first
proposed
in
2015
it
passed
in
2015
during
that
session.
P
During
the
2016
session
it
was
revisited
made
some
minor
changes
to
the
bill,
administration,
administrative
changes
and,
and
what
have
you?
And
so
the
the
the
the
actual
program
program
came
into
existence
this
past
year,
2016
september
2016,
so
it's
it's
now
up
and
running
companies
can
apply
for
it.
We
have
had
quite
quite
a
few
companies
who
have
applied
for
it
great
projects
with
with
real
good
benefits
to
utah
and
rural
utah,
specifically
as
well
so
a
little
bit
about
how
the
program
works.
P
So
this
this
is
the
important
part.
This
is
the
meat
of
the
of
the
program,
so
the
types
of
products
projects
that
we're
looking
at
so
we're
looking
at
either
new
or
expanding,
so
existing
industrial
manufacturing,
mining
or
agricultural
projects.
P
So
that's
very
broad,
but
it
does
exclude
things
like
tourism,
exclusive
things
like
retail,
based
businesses
and
things
like
that,
but
it
does
cover
anything
industrial
manufacturing,
mining
and
agricultural,
so
that
pretty
much
covers
the
whole
state.
Now,
if
you
have
a
turkey
farmer
in
piu
county,
you
can
cover
them.
You
have
a
manufacturer
looking
at
vernal,
it
could
cover
them.
Minings
we've
had
some
interest
from
coal
mines,
so
it's
it
covers
a
large
partial
portion
of
the
industries
within
utah,
the
the
very
important
industries
as
well.
P
The
qualifying
infrastructure,
as
I
mentioned
before,
we're
looking
at
linear
energy
delivery
infrastructure.
So
that's
roads,
rail
transmission
lines,
pipelines,
whether
that's
oil
and
gas,
natural
gas,
any
pipeline
and
water
lines,
or
also
a
pipeline.
So
anything
that
falls
within
those
would
be
considered
the
linear
energy
delivery
infrastructure
that
can
be
qualified
under
this
program.
P
P
So,
for
example,
if
company
a
invests,
10
million
dollars
in
infrastructure,
5
million
will
be
their
their
cap,
so
they
can
receive
that
30
tax
credit
year
after
year
until
either
they
hit
20
years
or
they
hit
that
50
percent
tax.
That
50
cap
there's
also
a
a
little
part
here
about
the
refineries
but
I'll
skip.
That
refineries
can
apply
for
this
as
well
as
well.
It's
a
little
bit
different.
P
The
beautiful
thing
about
this
program
is
that
for
the
refineries
there's
a
new
tier
three
program
that
the
epa
passed
and
we're
trying
to
incentivize
the
refineries
along
the
wasatch
front
to
meet
that
tier
three
sooner
rather
than
later
for
air
quality
concerns,
and
things
like
that,
so
they
can
also
apply
for
this
program
a
little
bit
about
the
process
quickly
about
the
process.
P
If
a
company
is
interested
in
this
program,
they
submit
a
pre-application
very
easy
to
fill
out,
takes
about
five
minutes
to
provide
company
information
project
information,
some
financials
as
far
as
how
much
they
plan
on
spending
on
the
project.
How
much
do
you
plan
on
spending
on
the
infrastructure
once
that's
online?
The
url
is
on
that
one
pager
that
that
I
gave
to
you
guys
once
they
hit
submit
that
comes
directly
to
me.
I
review
it
just
to
make
sure
all
the
information
I
need
is
there.
P
If
everything
checks
out,
I
will
invite
them
to
submit
a
full
application.
The
full
application
takes
a
lot
longer
to
fill
out
takes
two
three
hours.
Ask
more
detailed
questions
about
the
projects.
We
would
like
to
look
at
any
bids
or
quotes.
They
have
we'd
like
to
look
at
a
fiscal
impact
analysis
questionnaire,
salary
schedules,
how
many
people
they'll
be
hiring
anything
along
those
lines.
P
We
ask
more
information
about
the
company,
financials
income
statements,
cash
flows
and
things
like
that
to
get
a
better
idea
of
what
the
company
is
looking
at,
and
we
also
ask
more
important
information
about
more
detailed
information
about
the
project
itself
and
and
how
it
would
affect
the
local
area
once
they
submit
that
once
again
comes
to
me,
staff
at
the
office
of
energy
development
will
get
together,
make
sure
that
all
the
make
sure
that
the
the
project
and
the
company
is
eligible
to
apply
before
we
move
forward.
P
That's
the
board
that
governs
the
the
program,
so
the
board
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
board,
but
they
are
the
the
I
guess,
the
final
line
of
defense
when
it
comes
to
to
this
program.
They
do
a
final
evaluation
and
based
on
the
statute
of
this
program.
P
They
evaluate,
based
on
what
benefits
the
project
will
bring
to
the
state
if
it
will
raise
property
tax
taxes
for
the
local
area,
if
it
will
put
in
infrastructure
that
wasn't
there
before
they'll
look
at
environmental
impacts
to
it,
hiring
things
like
that,
so
they'll
evaluate
the
the
the
project's
impact
to
the
state,
the
benefit
to
the
states
and
based
on
that
evaluation,
they'll
either
award
a
authorization
letter
to
the
company
or
recommend
that
the
office
oed
creates
that
authorization
letter
acknowledging
the
award
or
to
go
back
and
retool
and
and
try
again
so
this
board
the
utah
energy
infrastructure
authority
board.
P
As
I
mentioned,
the
last
line
in
defense,
they'll,
they'll,
look
and
and
and
evaluate
the
the
project
and
the
application
based
on
the
benefit
to
the
states.
The
the
board
is
made
up
of
different
individuals
from
around
the
states
who
have
interest
in
energy.
It's
it's
chaired
by
the
governor's
energy
advisor
dr
laura
nelson,
who
is
also
the
executive
director
of
the
office
of
energy
development.
So
so
that's
my
boss.
It's
made
up
of
a
member
from
goed.
P
We
have
david
year
from
sitla
who's
on
that
board,
as
well
owned
by
statutes
utility
representative
we've.
I've
got
miss
colleen
bell,
the
the
ceo
of
questar
dominion,
a
couple
of
rural
county
commissioners.
Greg
todd
is
one
of
those
commissioners.
P
P
A
J
J
We
reinvestment,
and
so
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
couple
of
couple
things
about
cedar
breaks
in
the
last
year.
So
we
were
fortunate.
This
last
year
we
had
another
record-setting
year
we
had
over
900
000
visitors
at
cedar
breaks
this
summer
this
year
and
we're
expecting
probably
to
top
over
a
million
within
the
next
year
to
two
years
and
part
of
that
that
rise
in
visitation,
I
think,
is
directly
related
to
the
the
astro
tourism
market.
We're
seeing
a
lot
more
people
coming
with
telescopes
interested
in
night
sky.
J
He
is
our
dark
sky
educator
and
he
can
talk
a
little
more
about
what
we're
asking
to
partner
with
the
city
on
and
with
this
project.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
zach
and
he'll.
Fill
you
on
this.
Q
And
so
that's
why
we
found
out
recently
that
the
city's
planning
to
change
out
all
the
street
lights
to
leds-
and
this
is
a
really
great
opportunity
to
not
only
have
really
good
lighting,
that
lights
up
our
streets
for
safety
and
security,
but
also
to
install
lights
that
are
keeping
our
skies
dark
as
well.
And
so,
when
you
talk
about
switching
to
led
lights,
obviously
probably
everyone
here
is
aware
how
energy
efficient
leds
are.
That's,
probably
why
the
city
is
doing.
Q
R
Q
Than
the
rest
of
the
street
lights
in
the
city,
the
light
is
aimed
down,
there's
not
as
much
glare,
so
those
satisfy
that
requirement
really
well.
The
other
important
aspect
to
consider,
though,
is
the
color
of
the
light
light
that
has
a
lot
a
lot
of
the
the
newer
leds
there's
a
lot
of
blue
and
white
light
coming
from
them,
and
the
reason
that
the
sky
is
blue
during
the
daytime
is
that
our
atmosphere,
scatters
blue,
light
preferentially.
Q
So
if
we
have
a
lot
of
blue
light
at
night,
that
light
is
scattering
more
in
the
atmosphere
and
interfering
with
the
ability
to
see
the
stars
as
well,
so
the
ideal
lights
from
both
a
safety
standpoint
and
a
dark
sky
standpoint
are
these
leds
that
are
aimed
down
at
the
ground
and
that
you
met
kind
of
a
warmer
yellow
orange
light.
Much
like
the
street
lights
that
we
currently
have.
Q
There
have
been
a
lot
of
city
there's
a
lot
of
cities
around
the
country
that
are
making
the
switch
to
leds
right
now
because
of
the
amount
of
energy
and
money
that
you
can
save,
and
there
have
been
a
number
of
cities
that
have
gone
kind
of
done.
A
wholesale
switch
to
these
bright
blue
white
leds
and
seen
not
only
the
stars
go
away,
but
also
a
lot
of
citizen
complaints
as
well,
because
we're
kind
of
used
to
these
warmer
colored
street
lights.
Q
Usually
pretty
much
the
same
yeah
especially
I
mean
led
technology
has
come
a
long
ways
the
the
kind
of
more
amber,
yellow,
colored
leds.
They
are
readily
available
on
a
commercial
scale.
Nowadays
that
wasn't
the
case
five
ten
years
ago,
but
now
I
mean
there
may
be
some
very
slight
cost
differences,
but
the
underlying.
Q
Is
exactly
the
same
so
it
doesn't
require
any
changes
in
the
mounting
or
the
fixtures
or
the
wiring.
It's
literally
just
choosing
a
bulb
that
doesn't
emit
a
lot
of
that
blue.
Q
D
I
was
going
to
ask
paul
before
he
sat
down,
but
no
you
either.
One
of
you
is
good.
I
hear
the
ad
on
the
radio
that
I
need
to
visit.
Cedar
breaks
national
park
in
the
winter,
but
I
didn't
then
they
said
only
five
minutes
from
brian
had,
but
that's
by
it's
closed.
Q
D
Q
You
can
yeah,
there's
you
can
drive
into
the
the
park
and
we
have
a
kind
of
a
winter
parking
lot.
Yeah.
D
Q
And
so
one
thing
that
we're
trying
to
publicize
a
lot
this
year
is
our
guided,
snowshoe
hike
so
every
weekend
that
the
weather
is
decent,
you
know
we're
taking
people
out
and
teaching
them.
Q
We
do
yes,
we
have
a
good
stock
of
hot
cocoa
and
coffee
in
the
yurt.
I
can
personally
attest
to
that.
So
come.
S
S
I'm
also
the
veterans
liaison
with
the
public
library
here
in
town
they're,
trying
to
get
a
grant
to
have
a
traveling
exhibit
and
to
have
programs
have
any
of
you
ever
been
to
the
world
war.
One
memorial
over
here,
yeah,
okay,
there's
294
names
on
there
from
iron
county
that
served
in
world
war,
one!
S
That's
a
large
number
for
the
this
small
of
a
county.
At
that
time
I
went
over
and
wrote
all
the
names
down,
and
now
I
have
it
electronically,
because
I
don't
know
where
to
find
the
information
on
those
folks.
So
I
wondering,
if
there's
some
way,
that
the
city
can
find
out
where
those
names
came
from
and
who
did
them
and
so
on,
like
that
for
the
memorial
I'm
also
in
the
process
of
having
other
organizations.
J
S
They're,
I
think
they're
17
for
modena
and
I
don't
think
there's
17
people
that
live
in
no
kid
so
and
I
think
lund
had
26
names.
So
I've
been
going
to
the
family
history
website
trying
to
find
out
these
folks
and
we
just
need
to
find
out
who
they
are.
If
there's
family,
I
have
noticed
some
names
locally,
I'm
not
from
utah.
So
I
don't
know
a
lot
of
the
folks,
but
I've
lived
here
not
long
enough,
but
need
some
help.
D
Does
the
monument
indicate
which
of
those
men
died?
There's
there's.
S
Six
listed
for
cedar
city
six
and
I've,
I've
found
one.
I
think
it
was
from
periwin,
but
they're
not
indicated
as
deceased,
but
when
I
found
out
their
service
they
died
in
october
of
1918.
You
know
so,
but
I
don't
have
the
details.
Six
of
the
six
persons
that
died
here
from
cedar
city.
I
think
three
of
them
died
from
disease.
S
Probably
one
died
in
france
and
was
repatriated
and
one
was
a
marine
corps
and
he
was
killed
in
action
and
I
can't
find
anything
else
except
you
know
apparently
they're
not
around,
so
that
the
biggest
thing
is
trying
to
get
it
out
to
this
community
that
there
are
these
names
on
there.
Like.
I
said,
I've
got
the
list
electronically.
If
somebody
would
ever
want
that,
I'm
asking
the
national
guard
to
cross-check.
S
A
N
T
Good
evening
tom
jett,
just
to
add
to
what
this
gentleman
was
saying
less
than
six
months
ago,
I
had
my
first
time
ever
walking
to
the
world
war.
One
memorial
and
there's
there's
three
sides
on
it,
and
most
people
don't
know.
There's
three
sides
on
it:
one
of
the
communities
out
near
lund
no
longer
exists,
and
there
were
a
few
people
that
were
from
this
community
that
perished
also
called
nada
nada.
T
R
My
name
is
vincent
fava.
I've
grown
up
here
pretty
much
my
whole
life
and
one
thing.
I've
always
done
throughout
my
life
here
in
cedar,
and
one
of
my
passions
and
a
lot
of
friends
and
family
share
the
same
passion
and
that
is
the
skate
park,
and
that
is
something
I
didn't
he
really
mentioned
tonight
and
that's
something
I
was
there
today
and
that
a
skate
park
is
like
it's
been
there
for
15
years,
just
about
and
it's
slowly
deteriorating
and
in
every
town
across
the
nation.
R
They're,
building
new,
fully
cement,
skate
parks
for
their
youth
and
anyone
else
to
join
in
and
that's
something
I
was
wondering
what
I
could
do
to
get
the
ball
rolling
to
get
a
new
skate
park,
there's
funding
and
different
projects
or
companies
that
could
email
and
ask
about
getting
funding
so
there's
no
tax
or
whatever.
It
is
sorry,
but
I
was
just
wondering
what
had
to
happen.
R
D
V
R
Yeah
our
skate
park
right
now,
like
the
rails,
are
slowly
rusting.
I
have
been
there
all
summer,
like
there's
screws
that
pop
up
out
of
the
plastic.
That's
there
and
that's
dangerous
like
I
have
yeah,
and
I
don't
want
to
see
anyone
or
anything
like
that
happen,
and
cement
parks,
like
everyone
could
vouch
for,
are
a
better
idea
than
ramps.
D
M
A
A
A
D
D
How
do
you
go
about
doing
that?
Even
you,
you
print
a
picture
of
the
of
the
slide
yeah.
We
probably
should
tell
any
presenters
that
if
they're
doing
something
here,
it
should
have
a
a
neutral
background.
Nice
white.
D
K
T
I
A
U
F
G
D
H
K
F
H
That's
that's
been
for
sale.
In
fact,
I
have
it
here
on
my
my
ipad.
It's
1.61
acres.
It's
been
listed
at
170
000,
just
for
I.
H
D
To
vote
for
this
at
this
point,
because
that
piece
of
property
could
be
like
that
maverick
property
up
the
street
a
little
ways
that
is
such
an
important
intersection
to
just
because
the
obvious
to
me
track
this
is
going
down,
is
the
the
person
who
asked
for
this
is
going
to
pay
the
amount
we
have
there.
And
then
we've
got
a
storage
yard
on
a
very
valuable
corner.
A
W
D
E
I
had
a
question
on
that.
I
looked
at
the
appraisal
last
night
and
in
the
appraisal,
like
the
legal
description
includes
the
road
and
everything
is
that
that's
that's
the
pictures
that
the
appraiser
has
in
there
that
this
piece
right
there
is
the
point:
three
seven
acres
and
the
other
one
is
drawn
where
it
goes
across
the
road
and
the
railroad
tracks.
F
E
G
A
A
I
H
F
W
K
K
What
about
I
mean?
What,
if
it's
like,
say
the
say
that
mike
coronado's
development
out
there
you
develop
the
roads
and
the
sidewalks,
but
there's
still
native
vegetation
inside
of
that.
So
I
I
think
we
ought
to
put
some
language
in
there.
That
native
native
vegetation
is
okay,
because
I
don't,
I
don't
think
we
want
to
go
out
there
and
try
to
enforce
a
developer
to
mow
down
the
sagebrush,
because
it's
nine
and
a
half
inches
tall.
W
W
So
so
what
I've
done
is
I've
given
two
different
definitions
of
how
we
can
define
develop
property?
One
could
be
any
property,
that's
been
altered
from
its
natural
state
and
there's
improvements,
so
you
brought
up
coronado's
property
that
would
be
termed
developed
under
that
definition
or
what
we
could
state.
The
other
definition
that
I
thought
would
could
work
and
staff
agrees
is
that
any
property
that's
been
altered
from
its
natural
state
about.
W
I
About
last
week,
I
wouldn't
necessarily
include
that
subdivision
where
they
go
out
and
they
put
in
the
curb
gutter
sidewalk
and
they
leave
the
lots
alone.
They.
D
O
E
V
E
W
D
All
around
in
my
neighborhood
there's
just
a
vacant
lot
where
a
guy
guys
are
just
inattentive
and
they
they
may
actually
go
in
a
disc,
the
the
area,
but
then
the
little
planter
space
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
road
it
still
weeds
this
high
and
that
we,
you
know
that
needs
to
be
taken
care
of,
because
that's
blowing
junk
all
over
everybody
else's
yards.
D
A
N
Yes,
kevin
davis,
that's
what
I
was
going
to
say:
kids,
some
of
your
sidewalks.
They
let
the
trees
grow
over
it.
Where
there's
nothing,
you
know
they
put
the
sidewalk
in
the
kerbin
gutter
in
and
then
also
the
weeds
are
grown
between
the
cracks
of
the
gutter
and
the
sidewalk,
but
then
they're
also
overtaking
the
sidewalk
to
where
you
can't
even
walk
down
the
sidewalk.
So.
I
On
some
of
those
situations,
what
we've
been
doing
in
the
past
couple
years
is
public
works
has
been
going
out,
and
these
are
typically
undeveloped.
Lots
where
the
sagebrush
is
growing
back
over
the
top
of
the
sidewalk
public
works
will
go
out
and
just
smell
them
down
just
mow
them
off
the
sidewalk.
We
won't
go
clean.
The
whole
lot,
we'll
just
we'll
just
make
it
so.
The
right-of-way
is
passable
and.
N
I
It's
faster
than
working
with
the
developer
who's
in
what
was
that
town
in
california.
You
mentioned
that
is
in
pacoima
in
his
europe
and
is
not
interested
in
moving.
The
wheat
have.
A
O
Yeah
darren
adams,
police
department,
I've
talked
to
tyler
about
this
and
there's
there's
a
careful
balance
to
strike.
You
know,
as
we
talk
about
infringing
upon
people's
rights
and
their
property,
but
also
making
sure
that
the
victim
of
one
of
these
properties
is
not
adversely
affected
or
doesn't
diminish
the
quality
of
life.
So
we
would
tend
to
support
the
latter
definition
where
once
the
building
permits
pulled
and
infrastructure
can
be
put
up
to
that
point,
and
then
once
that's
done
once
the
building
starts,
the
ground
is
broken.
O
O
If
there
is
a
fire
hazard,
we
have
that
option
to
address
or
if
we
can,
which
we
would
normally
do
anyway
compel
or
influence
that
property
owner
to
maybe
try
to
contact
their
neighbor,
and
you
know
request
that
that
be
done
before
enforcement
comes
into
play,
and
we
do
that
generally
anyway.
So
that's
that's
our
stance.
I
don't
know
if
ryan
has
a
anything
to
say.
S
V
Director,
when
we've
talked
about
this
in
staff,
we
understand
the
need,
for
this
just
understand
that
it's
going
to
put
quite
a
bit
of
onus
on
my
department
as
well.
The
city
owns
quite
a
few
little
parcels
around
the
city
that
they've.
V
That,
when
you're
talking,
like
you
point
eight
inches
here,
there's
that
was
a
foot
that
yeah
that's
like
that's
like
a
year
every
year
we're
going
to
be
out
there
cleaning
all
these.
So
so
it's
going
to
put
quite
a
strain
on
our
resources
as
well.
When
you're
looking
at
that
tight
of
a
definition.
K
H
A
I
So
after
last
week
we
added
a
portion
in
the
definitions
that
includes
volunteers
with
city
staff.
We
also
added
a
portion
in
the
policy
statement
on
paragraph
five
related
to
the
accounting
and
how
that's
disclosed
okay,
so
I
and
and
what
you
don't
have
in
your
packets.
But
what
mr
cousins
called
about
on
monday
was
a
concern
about.
Q
I
I
wrote
something
this
this
afternoon.
It's
way
better
than
what
I
could
say
I'll
suggest
it,
and
you
tell
me
where
to
tweak
it,
so
it
says
before
a
department
may
engage
in
any
of
these
special
projects
from
which
the
department
reasonably
anticipates,
generating
a
profit.
The
department
shall
present
the
project
to
the
city
council
for
approval.
K
Okay
and
that's
that
was
a
concern
I
had
the
you
know,
and
I
I
think
the
only
thing
that
we
might,
I
think
the
fire
department
is
kind
of
unique.
I
mean
if,
if
mike
was
called
out
at
two
in
the
morning
to
run
up
to
bryant
and
help
them
fight
a
fire
up
there,
I
don't
think
we
want
to
get
council
approval
for
that
one.
I
think
that's
a
unique
situation.
I
G
I
Mike's
done
that
through
his
business
plan,
he's
presented
that
to
you
and
you
guys
have
accepted
the
business
plan
so
from
our
side
of
the
street
from
staff
administering
it.
We
would
say
mike
if
it's
a
wildfire,
we're
not
going
to
be
picky
on
the
actual
wildfire.
But
the
council's
already
said
go
ahead
and
do
the
program.
One
of
the
plastics.
K
Okay,
so
but
paul-
and
I
couldn't
think
of
many
other
situations
where
departments
in
our
city
could
make
extra
money
without
competing
with
private.
But
I
but
paul
had
a
good.
You
know
it's
like
brian.
If
he
had
a
if
he
did
a
5k
there's,
not
many
private
individuals
that
do
5ks.
But
if
brian
did
one
and
made
a
lot
of
money,
then
it
might
be
appropriate
for
them
to
keep
some
of
those
funds
for
their
department.
I
I
think
in
mike's
business
plan
he
set
aside
three
or
four
different
categories
that
he
could
apply,
that
money
to
one
was
the
biggest
one
was
capital
projects
and
there
was
one
for.
Was
there
one
for
training?
B
It
states
in
there
that
if
we
want
to
come
and
do
anything
different
that
we
it
goes
through
the
budget
process,
so
we
still
have
to.
If
we
want
to
do
a
special
training,
then
I
would
go
to
paul
and
say
and
the
mayor
in
the
budget
process
hey.
We
want
to
take
some
of
this
money.
We
want
to
use
it
for
this
special
training.
We've
got
it
set
aside.
Then
it
goes
through
the
whole
budget
process.
So
that's
spelled
out
in
our
business
plan,
so
it.
I
D
M
Brian
dangerfield
leisure
services-
I
was
at
the
iron
county
lodging
association
meeting
this
afternoon
and
we
were
talking
about
bringing
in
events
that
don't
you
know
when
there's
hotel
rooms
available
and
one
thing
we
looked
at
is
we
could
bring
in
all
kinds
of
sports
tournaments
during
the
summer
time,
but
we
have
the
summer
games.
We
have
shakespeare
going
on
and
we're
not
helping
the
hotels
when
we
don't
have
any
rooms
for
the
people
to
come
down
to
participate.
M
So
you
know
in
talking
about
not
competing
with
private
private
enterprise,
we're
we're
working
with
the
hotels
to
try
and
identify
those
weekends
that
we
can
bring
in
there's
a
group
that
wants
to
do
a
mud
run
and
there's
you
know
we
have
the
the
fire
world,
that's
going
to
be
coming
back,
and
so
we
push
them
to
weekends
that
don't
compete
with.
You
know
busy
hotel
rooms
we're
doing
our
best
to
try
to
do
that.
M
But
one
one
thing
we
found
with
the
half
marathon
is
that
budget
I
mean
it
used
to
be
like
fifteen
thousand
dollars
and
now
it's
thirty
thousand
because
of
all
the
revenue
we
brought
in,
but
the
more
runners
you
bring
in
you
have
to
buy
more
medals
and
more
shirts,
and
so
our
expenses
go
up.
So
when
we
give
you
a
plan
we'll
like
to
anticipate
that
we
have
a
budget
for
it
and
we'll
stay
under
that.
But
so
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
to.
I
M
M
Well,
one
thing
that
that
I
noticed
on
a
visit:
you
know.
Whenever
I
go
to
a
new
city,
I
go
into
their
their
rec
centers
and
things
and
one
rec
center
had
little
massage
chairs,
where
you
put
a
dollar
in
and
get
a
massage
for
about.
You
know
five
minutes,
and
then
they
say
that
makes
a
lot
of
money
for
their.
So
I
mean
things
like
that
where
you
come
up
with
ideas
that
fill
a
need
and
make
money,
but
there's
an
expense
associated
with
it.
So
just
an
idea.
Thank
you.
A
A
I
A
K
Sorry,
yes,
I
do
want
that.
I
want
paul's
beautiful
worded
language
in
this.
V
D
D
D
H
D
I
think
it's
coming
up
here,
maybe
well.