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B
A
B
A
Just
people
kicking
around
ideas
about
what
an
automotive
you
know
the
things
that
it
would
be
applied
to
something
as
small
as
a
low-cost
motorcycle
and
then
the
impact
of
a
long-lived
product
life
cycle.
Something
that's
in
the
10-year
plus
category
makes
you
think
about
yeah
how
long
you
support
it
in
engineering.
You
know
if
you
actually
shipped
it
as
a
product,
but
there's
a
bit
of
brainstorming
because
for
the
for
a
centos
sig,
it's
it's
people
that
are
trying
it
out.
A
B
B
I
you
know,
frankly,
I'm
I've
only
been
developing,
for
you
know
about
two
two
and
a
half
years,
so
a
little
bit
of
a
novice
and
I've
been
checking
out
the
repo
and
all
the
changes
that
are
being
made
to
it.
And
if
you
don't
mind,
I
kind
of
have
just
a
couple
of
questions
about
it.
It
sounds
like
you
might
be
able
to
help
me
out.
A
Oh,
I
would
totally
give
it
a
go,
although
I
got
to
tell
you
my
I've
been
doing
linux
for
a
while,
and
my
background
is
like
this
classical
embedded
person,
and
so
this
thing
is
moving
in
the
direction
of
an
os
tree
based
build
which
I've
done
with
composer.
So
there
are
variations
but
go
ahead
and
throw
your
question
out
and
I
might
get
I
might
get
somewhere
with
it
or
I
might
follow
my
face
and
just
know
that
that
was
a
worthy
question.
A
A
B
Because
you
know
obviously
there's
and
follow-up
question:
is
there
a
way
to
access
the
command
line?
If
you
boot
up
the
one
of
the
neptune
images,
or
are
you
just
sort
of
locked
in
that
in
that
environment.
A
Yeah
yeah,
okay,
yeah
say
your
other
question
again.
A
Oh
yeah,
you
know
I
had
heard
some
chatter,
I
don't
know
if
it
was
this
load,
but
there
was.
There
was
one
of
the
loads
where
they
had
disabled
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff
and
so,
for
example,
there's
the
os
tree
build.
You
would
want
to
tell
it
hey.
A
I
don't
I
don't
yeah.
I
haven't
tried
it
on
the
pie,
like
I
look
at
the
loads
that
they
have
so
his
you
know.
I've
got
this.
These
images
and
I've
got
a
ds9,
neptune,
regular
and
I'm
looking
at
a
cs9
vm,
but
that's
something
I
I
installed
myself
and
it's
got
like
a
gooey,
a
server
with
gui
kind
of
thing.
Okay,.
B
B
Just
the
cucao2
image,
I've
tried
to
create
one
of
the
dot
dot,
image
files
and
just
install
it
directly
on
a
raspberry
pi,
but
I'm
running
into
some
difficulty
for
some
reason
where
it,
I
guess
I
don't
have
my
pixie
environment
configured
correctly-
is
the
only
thing
I
can
think
of,
or
you
know
http
boot,
but
I'm
just
having
trouble
getting
it
to
boot
from
it
from
an
image.
So
I've
gotten
the
os
tree
virtual
machine
images
to
work
fine,
but
oh.
A
A
Yeah
that'd
be
interesting
like
when
I
talked
to
ian
next.
I
saw
him
today
so
I'll
probably
see
him
tomorrow
and
say
hey
if
somebody
tries
flashing
one
of
these,
how
good
is
it
going
to
get
because
I'm
this
is
like
the
warts
and
all
like?
We
decided
to
I
work
at
red
hat
by
the
way
we
decided
to
basically
go
directly
upstream
and
so
the
fedora
edge
sort
of
iot
going
into
centos
stream.
A
I
think
it's
nine
now
that
is
pretty
close
to
what
the
actual
product
we
bring.
We
bring
that
in
the
in
the
front
door,
so
to
speak
and
do
the
certification
activity
as
a
as
a
product,
and
we
still
want
to
push
like
code
changes
upstream
first,
as
far
up
as
we
can,
so
that
there
aren't
these
little
patch
deviations
etc,
and
so
because
we
decided
to
go
upstream
first.
That
means
it's.
A
So
I
work
in
the
qe
side,
and
so
we
create
functional
safety
tests
and
they're
they're
kind
of
a
bit
orthogonal
to
the
to
the
type
of
the
system.
For
now,
because
we're
doing
basic
tests,
so
I'm
actually
able
to
write
my
tests
on
it
could
be
a
related,
vm
or
or.
A
It's
just
something
something
real
simple:
it
could
be
that
this,
like
this
was
going
to
be
my
centaur
stream
9
with
a
real
time,
because
that's
that's
the
direction
that'll
have
c
run
they
wanted
to.
We
were
talking
about
some
container
stuff
with
internal
container
folks
and
they're,
like
yeah,
make
sure
you're
on
c
run.
A
Basically
wanted
to
resemble
what
you
can
see
in
the
centos
as
much
as
possible.
B
Okay,
is
there,
is
the
you
know
the
way
I'm
creating
these
machines,
and
I
think
it's
still.
The
official
way
quote-unquote
official
is
is
to
start
off
with
pablo's
image
for
cs9
on
a
raspberry
pi.
A
I
know
shockingly
little
about
how
I
actually
come
to
these
meetings
as
a
as
a
newbie
sort
of
learner
to
make
to
to
start
dovetailing
my
testing
into
what's
really
happening,
it's
pretty
soon.
It's
it
feels
like
it's
getting
close
to
where
it's
like.
Okay,
guys,
we
got
like
q-cows
that
you
can
run
in
vms
and
stuff
that
you
can
run
on
a
pie
and
it's
going
to
have
everything
that
would
run
my
kind
of
test.
B
A
Yeah
they
they
had
felt
like
cs9
was,
was
getting
them,
what
they
needed
and-
and
they
said
yeah,
let's
just
let's
just
flip
over
so
we've
all
flipped
they've
at
their
end
started,
and
it's
going
to
percolate
back
to
me.
B
B
Yes,
just
in
the
in
the
repo,
I
notice
that
it
says
you
need
to
have
you
need
to
create
the
images
on
a
subscribed
rail
system,
whether
I
guess
that
be
on
so
I've
got.
I
I'm
using
my
rail
subscription
also
yeah
on
centos
stream,
9
high
machine,
just
because
I
I
don't
know
any
other
way,
but
you
know
I've
got
rel
8
on
them
on
a
vm
and
obviously
you
know
I'm
subscribed
through
there,
but
just
curious
about
how
that
worked,
and
what
what
wouldn't
you
know
occur.
A
Yeah,
so
I
know
a
bit
about
this-
probably
a
bit
more
than
a
lot
of
people
about
the
subscription
site
because
I
came
from
consulting
and
we
were
in
the
field
doing
a
bunch
of
stuff
that
used
up
subscriptions
and
the
rel
developers
subscription.
Historically,
you
could
get
an
install
rel
for
free
and
it
would
be
an
unsupported
and
now
they've
got
and
it
seemed
like
you.
A
You
could
do
like
one
or
one
z2z
or
something,
but
now
they're
saying
it's
like
up
to
16,
yes,
metal
machines,
which
was
supposed
to
replace
the
loss
of
centos
as
a
downstream
when
they
moved
it
up,
and
that's
that
part's
pretty
a
pretty
cool
message.
Kind
of
eases.
Some
of
that
expectation
that
people
had,
although
I've
got
plenty
of
an
earful
from
folks
in
the
field
about
hey.
What's
up
man,
you
took
with
centos.
B
A
And
internal
people
have
expressed,
I
want
to
say,
sympathy
or
or
empathy
or
listening
about
that
there
they.
They
just
had
this
belief
that
there
was
this
good
thing
that
was
going
to
come
up
from
that,
and
I
can
say
that
developer
side
folks
wanted
that
little
bit
bleeder
like
they
wanted
to
have
like
dev
test
prod.
A
Like
imagine
a
cloud
or
a
data
center,
they
wanted
that
almost
so
that
when
they,
when
they
developed
their
app
by
the
time
they
had
their
app
sorted
out,
the
operating
system
under
it
would
bake,
and
so,
if
they
had
access
to
something
just
slightly
ahead
of
row,
it
would
click
they
would
cut
one
of
their
testing
loops
out
practically
if
it
were
fastly
shortened.
A
So
I
see
I
kind
of
see
what
they're
saying
to
get
back
to
your
question
the
subscription
activity,
I
almost
certain
it
would
be
because
activities
on
that
machine
to
get
more
packaging
happen
to
be
wired
in
now.
The
the
odd
part
is,
I
think,
currently,
maybe
the
the
stuff
is
a
bit
still
wired
into
red
hat,
because
when
you
get
a
centos
product,
it's
supposed
to
come
from
a
centos
repo,
there's
no
requirement.
A
It's
just
open
bits,
you
know
container
images
etc,
and
so
they
may
still
have
some
stuff
wired
in.
If
you
wanted
to
get
a
container
image
or
get
perhaps
the
os
tree
update
stuff
is
still
wired
in
and
they
haven't
extricated
that,
because
it
is
the
intent
for
someone
to
get
centos
be
able
to
use
it
without
they
don't
want
to
draw
people
into
a
subscription
state
with
centos,
and
so
that's
my
interpretation
of
of
how
it
should
be,
and
hopefully
reflective
of
wordiness.
A
Personally,
I'm
doing
centos
9
stream,
and
I
want
I
I
wanted
to
just
get
bits
from
centos.
A
I
haven't
it's
kind
of
on
a
separate
platform
so
that
I
can
act
like
an
upstream
person
and
when
it
was
booting
off
the
iso
just
now
I
got
the
fresh
iso
and
there
was
a
thing
where
it
said:
welcome
to
red
hat
linux
and
I'm
like
there's
branding
still
baked
in
which
is
funny
yeah,
because
the
funny
thing
is
if
it
was
really
the
upstream,
it
would
be
centos
branding
accidentally
in
rel,
which
maybe
gives
a
sense
of
how
it
feels
to
those
developers
to
be
turning
it
around
and
and
putting
this
thing
in
the
upstream
state
that
used
to
be
in
the
downstream
like
centos
would
get
they
would
strip
the
rel
branding
put
the
centos
branding
and
here
you've
got
like
okay.
A
It
wasn't
stripped
so
who's
upstream
of
who
right,
which
is
kind
of
comical,
I'm,
I
suppose
they'll
they'll
get
it
resolved
and
it's
a
yeah.
It's
a
a
meaningful
question.
B
A
A
They
say:
oh
start
up
a
container
with
your
little
environment
and
a
shell
and
then
set
that
container
up
for
some
persistence
and
then
what
you
do
in
there
is
meaningful
to
that,
and
I
have
a
bit
of
appreciation
because
in
rel
seven
I
would
have
had
to
do
like
software
collections
and
enable
an
environment
which
is
not
quite
what
a
container
will
give
you.
The
container
will
really
like
have
the
uniqueness
and
the
own
packages
etc.
A
Whatever
I
want
to
map
into
that
container
and
plus
you
get
these,
these
roll
backs,
which
that's
very
very
appealing
that
you
can
be
in
the
machine
and
say
you
know
what
I
want
to
roll
back
to
the
last
known,
good
or
known
better,
and
then
you
say
roll
it
back
and
then
it's
it
just
reboots
back
into
the
thing
it
was
in
and
that's
it's
like
vm
snapshots,
but
you're
inside
pretty
attractive.
A
Yeah
and
this
to
me,
this
thing
probably
ends
up
with
more
deployment
than
automotive
like
this.
This
would
be
like
industrial
of
ism
kind
of
apps,
because.
A
Having
an
embedded
background
like
a
pre-iot
kind
of
thing,
you
think
of
it
used
to
be,
you
would
get
an
mcu
and
I've
got
16
bits.
You
know,
that's
so
luxurious
or
a
32-bit
power,
quick
or
something,
and
now
raspberry
pi's
are
like
35
bucks.
They're
used
all
over
the
place.
There's
pi
zeros
a
few
bucks,
and
so
you've
got
full
tilt
linux
machines.
A
My
last
hp
calculator
was
had
was
run.
It
runs
linux
because
it's
like
an
l6
or
ul8
nxp,
so
people
are
like
well,
I
can
run
linux
so
for
a
few
bucks
and
a
few
cores.
Why
not.
B
A
A
Yeah
for
a
while
I
for
a
long
time,
I
didn't
think
about
oh
heat
sinks
right,
I
I
left
it
up
to
the
soc
vendor,
hey
you
and
and
raspberry
pi,
like
hey
you'll
engineer,
whatever
heat
sinks
are
required
because
I'm
a
double
e
and
I
would
engineer
it
so
these
things
would
come
without
heatsinks.
I
thought
it
didn't
need
heatsinks
and
they'll
throttle
and
then
people
are
like.
Oh
get
a
heatsink
and
I'm
like
man.
This
is
like
building
your
own
dragster.
So
now,
I'm
all
heatsinks
all
the
time.
B
Sure
yeah
I've
got,
I
don't
have
the
best
one.
It
just
came
with
the
a
case
I
bought
for
it,
but
I
mean
it
does
the
trick
it
keeps
it
moving.
I
mean
I
get
almost
mean
frankly,
I
haven't
noticed
any
throttling
in
quite
a
while,
since
I
got
it
so
I
love.
A
B
A
Yeah
I
got
a
rock
64
board
that
that
was
pretty
nifty,
especially
a
couple
of
years
ago.
When
it
was
it
vastly
exceeded.
I
mean
it
was
like
raspberry,
pi,
4
grade
stuff
lots
of
ram.
I
got
a
tinker
board.
That
thing
runs
hot
and
it's
got
a
little
bit
of
a
limited
there's
certain
limits
in
the
architecture,
but
it
was
okay,
I'll
tell
you
what
would
be
banging
is
if
they
got.
A
Basically,
like
a
better
poe
solid,
like
usb
pd
kind
of
stuff
and
then
but
I
could
use
any
kind
of
pd,
because
they'll,
probably
with
the
advent
of
pd
they'll,
probably
allow
the
pie
to
bump
up
its
power
envelope.
Yeah
because
it's
not
hard
to
go
to
like
10
or
18
watts.
B
Did
has
there
been
any
discussion
about
about
specific
projects
that
anybody's
working
on,
or
I
mean
is?
It
is
still
in
such
a
preliminary
stage
that
there's.
A
Yeah
I'd,
say
very
preliminary
and
having
this
picking
an
automotive
target
kind
of
has
a
certain
straightforward
kind
of
boundary.
Like
you
know,
you
see
the
build
that
says
neptune
and
that's
pretty
suggestive
that
there's
going
to
be
a
display,
and
so
you
think
of
okay,
it's
it's
automotive
and
there's
a
thing
involving
a
display,
and
so
you
kind
of
think
dashboardy.
Looking
things.
A
If
you
go
on
youtube,
you
see
all
these
people
adapting
these
raspberry
pi's
for
their
little.
You
know
replace
the
the
radio
that
doubled
in
radio
slots.
A
I'm
not
saying
that's
what
is
going
to
happen
with
this.
Ultimately,
it's
the
the
end
users
that
figure
out
what
what
they're
going
to
do
with
this
thing,
they
may
put
it
on
the
somebody
this
morning
said
they
had
customers
asking
about
about
low-cost
motorcycle
dashboards
or
like
asian
markets
and
stuff
yeah.
That.
B
A
Interesting
because
big
vehicle
applications,
people
think
tesla
and
over-the-air
updates
heavy-duty
functions,
whereas
in
a
motorcycle
plus
a
low-cost
motorcycle,
maybe
it
never
gets
updated.
So
maybe
they
don't
care
about
connectivity.
I
just
want
to
flash
it
in
and
then
you
know
bottom
dollar
ship
it.
A
I
don't.
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
that
that
and
that
end
of
the
market.
Frankly,
I
don't
know
a
lot
about
the
automotive
market.
Really.
I
know
engineering
and
compliance
and
linux
and
embedded
and
cloud,
but
this
yeah
this
particular
vertical
is
a
bit
newer
to
me.
Frankly,
I
don't
know
if
you
do
automotive
or
not
no.
B
No,
no,
this
is
just
merely
a
side
project,
but
I've
got
a
friend
who
recently
started
working
on
the
design
side
over
at
red
hat,
and
he
just
kind
of
tipped
me
off
about
this
sig.
That
was
fairly
freshly
formed
and
I
thought
it
might
be
a
fun
chance
to
to
get
involved,
and
so
it
has
given
me
many
many
hours
of
you
know
pretty
interesting
play
time
with
with
what's
already
been
developed.
A
Yeah,
I
you
know
it's
to
me.
This
is
the
fun
side
where
this
is
more
fun
than
consulting
was
in
a
lot
of
ways,
because
the
whole
tinkering
there's
a
there's,
a
tinker,
flavored
thing
and
because
we
go
upstream
there's
a
tinker,
flavored
thing
and
then
we
can.
Then
we
can
break
like
we
can
do
make
it
do
the
cool
things
and
then
bring
it
in
and
do
all
the
industry
specific
or
certification
things,
and
that
means
the
fun
side
is
out
here
and
people
can
can
just
brainstorm.
A
You
know
the
people
that
are
going
to
use
it
for
whatever
they
come
up
with
interesting
ideas.
It's
it's
like
the
og
grassroots
nature
of
linux,
really.
B
A
A
People
can
do
all
kinds
of
stuff
robotics,
there's
a
there's,
an
autonomous
robot
car
called
f110.
That
looks
really
interesting.
I
don't,
I
don't
think
anybody.
I
don't
know
if
anybody's
participating
from
red
hat
yet,
but
it
was
you
know,
kind
of
like
an
idea,
hey.
Let's
stick
this
in
a
robot
car
and
run
it
around.
A
B
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
flexibility,
a
lot
of
space
to
I
mean
a
lot
of
lateral
thinking
involved
here,
because
these
sort
of,
like
you
mentioned,
I
mean
not
a
lot
of
experience
in
the
automotive
realm.
It's
it's
made
me
think
differently.
When
I
get
in
my
car,
though
I
kind
of
look
around
and
go
what
might
make
this,
you
know
what
would
be
sort
of
a
quality
of
life,
upgrade
that
I
could
think
of.
A
B
Leds
always
come
to
mind,
but
that's
done
to
death.
You
know,
I'm
trying
to
you
know,
move
a
little
past
that,
but
you
know
I
often
realize
well
dang.
That
sensor
is
already
in
here,
but
but
if
nothing
else
it's
a
it's,
it's
affords
a
chance
for
some
really
cool
mental
exercise.
I
you
know
to
be
quite
honest.
I
I
haven't
done
much
beyond
just
getting
it
up
and
running
and
installed
on
some
vms.
But
but
it's
been,
you
know
just
sort
of
a
fun
fun
experience.
A
Yeah,
that's
cool
that
you,
because
basically
it's
it's
kind
of
like
a
repeat
of
the
my
started
linux.
I
was
fooling
around
with
something
that
was
a
little
sort
of
bleeding
edge
and
then
that
basically,
it
changed
how
I
did
embedded
and.
B
A
I
went
from
double
e
design
to
linux
and
stayed
and
liked
it,
and
so
this
I
could
smell
this
when
I
I
heard
about
this
project
that
I
knew
a
couple
of
people
on
this
and
they
were,
they
were
hiring
folks
from
automotive
and
and
elsewhere
in
linux,
and
I
could
tell
it
was
pretty
exciting.
It
was
new
they
get
to
their
granted
clean
sheet
status
so
that
they're
picking
what
what
it
needs
to
be
and
that's
that's,
pretty
cool
and
so
what's
well.
A
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
what
you
learn
here.
What
I
learned
here
all
of
us,
it's,
it's,
probably
something
that
will
be
seen
and
embedded
the
the
style
of
doing
it,
not
just
centos
or
red
hat.
A
This
has
a
decent
shot
of
becoming
like
here's:
how
to
do
a
good,
updatable,
embedded
capable
of
deploying
apps
capable
of
containerizing
when
you
want
it
kind
of
thing.
A
And
a
little
different
than
let's
say,
yocto
and
agl
and
and
those
are
good
I've
done
yakto,
so
it
bakes
interesting
because
it
just
rolls
the
whole
thing
for
you.
But
it's
not
like.
You
really
need
all
your
stuff
rolled
from
scratch.
Every
time
it's
okay
to
take
binaries
like
as
if
it
were
still
rpms
right
straight
rpms,.
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
sorry
there
wasn't
anybody
actually
knowledgeable
who
could
have.
B
Well,
no,
no,
I
was
you
know.
I
was
going
to
say
that
the
second
best
thing
that
could
have
happened
next
to
an
actual
meeting,
because
I
got
to
kind
of
pick
your
brain
a
little
bit
so.
A
B
I
got,
I
got
a
lot
of
it.
A
Yeah,
it's
kind
of
you
to
say
my
name
is
bruce.
Like
you
go,
do
you
go
by
andrew
andy.
A
A
Okay,
cool,
I'm
I'm
right
near
dulles
airport,
so
chantilly
virginia.
A
Been
working
yeah
working
remote
for
for
red
hat
for
years,
I
would
go
to
client
sites
mostly
cloudy
stuff,
but
I
would
get
called
they
they
had.
They
had
my
name
in
the
database
for
embedded
stuff
so,
like
I
did
an
avionics
project
once
that
was
super
fun.
So
if
there's
something
embedded
or
real
time,
I
used
to
used
to
do
vxworks
way
back
in
the
day
and
device
drivers
and
stuff.
A
A
B
A
Yeah
yeah,
sometimes
his
dogs
will
pop
in
the
so
ian,
and
I
worked
together
at
va
linux
systems,
a
long,
oh
and
he's
a
very
dear
friend
of
mine.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
I
really
like
being
on
that
he
he
he
runs
the
whole.
A
His
part
of
the
little
world
he's
very
chill
and
I
don't
work
for
him
or
his
group
because
he's
more
on
the
engineering
side
and
I'm
more
on
the
qe,
even
though
there
are
these
groupings
that
are
kind
of
matrix
together,
he's
basically
creating
this
he's
part
of
creating
this
and
and
I'm
kind
of
part
of
testing
it
safety
testing.
A
And
so
this
meeting
is
a
chance.
I
mean
we
hit
each
other
up
throughout
the
week
on
chat,
but
this
is
one
spot
where
I
know
I'll
catch
him.
So
yeah,
good
folks,.
A
I
had
linkedin
pulled
up
so
we're
on
the
same
wavelength.
Go
for
it,
man,
absolutely
yeah.
I
I
I'll
connect
with
people.
I've
talked
to
at
least
once,
but
like
rando
messages
from
recruiters
and
stuff,
I'm
like
oh
yeah,
well,.
B
Yeah
I
mean
even
even
I've
learned
to
turn
those
down,
and
so
I'm
coming
from
the
networking
side.
I've
been
doing
just
sort
of
network
architecture
for
the
last
number
of
years.
A
B
And
I
decided
that
I
wanted
to
move
more
toward
the
software
side,
because
that
there
was
always
that
mystery
that
I
couldn't
solve.
I
would
always
have
to
hand
off
the
software
stuff
to
somebody
who
actually
knew
about
it,
but
so
I
went
ahead
and
got
a
computer
science
degree
and
I've
just
been
looking
for
looking
for
the
right
position
since
and
you
know.
A
Interesting,
so
if
people
are
looking
for
positions,
I
always
like.
A
A
A
Could
actually
one
of
my
cameras
being
wonky
again.
B
B
No,
I
think
the
recordings
are
available
when,
when
jeffrey
sends
out
those
newsletters,
I
believe,
there's
a
link
to
it.
B
A
Yeah,
it's
it's
like
this
little
money,
roller
custer
and
you
have
to
make
sure,
there's
funding.
I
love
how
the
screen
grows
with
my
hand,
up
in
the
air.
That's
hilarious,
yeah,.
A
B
B
Yeah,
I
haven't
really
posted
much
on
linkedin.
Frankly
I
I
I
use
it
communicate
with
with
people
with
some
people
that
I
that
I'm
actually
connected
with
on
a
personal
level
and
then
just
so
recruiters
can
find
me.
I
mean
I
I've,
never
been
a
big
facebook
guy
or
anything
like
that,
and
you
know
this
just
kind
of
reminds
me
a
lot
of
facebook,
but
it.
A
Yeah
and
it's
it's
like
facebook,
literally
facebook
for
work,
although
it's
it's
less
of
the
no
like
just
noisy,
noisy,
there's
like
salesy,
noisy,
which
I
can
kind
of
deal
with
like
corporate
sales,
noise
kind
of
stuff,
but
the
really
polarizing
stuff.
Less
of
that.
So
I
can
tolerate.
B
It
right
no
fair
enough
and
I
guess
you
can
filter
it
a
little
bit
better.
I
guess
what
I'm
talking
about
more
is
the
right.
Like
the
the
corporate.
You
know,
just
you
know
shovelware
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
I
mean
they
just
dump
it
on
you
and
then
you
know
people
who
already
have
jobs
showing
off.
They
have
a
job.
You
know.
Well,
that's
that's
nice!
I'm
glad!
I'm
happy
for
you.
A
Yeah,
so
it's
this
weird
like
oh,
I
call
it
the
ocean
of
networking.
Basically,
they
use
network
name
spaces
in
the
kernel
to
create,
and
this
is
before
containers
really
got
anywhere.
It
was
network
name
spaces,
and
this
system
called
open
virtual
switch,
which
was
like
a
user
space
kind
of
beyond
beyond
just
a
linux
bridge
and
would
basically.
A
Yeah
well
just
to
put
a
bow
on
it
there.
It
sets
it
up
and
manages
it
with
a
front
end.
That
also
manages
the
vm's
and
the
storage
that's
connected
to
the
vms
in
a
way
that
allows
groups
of
people
to
do
something
and
they're
all
in
the
same
network
name
space.
And
that
means
it's
like
a
little
sandbox,
where
they've
got
some
vms
and
they're
connected
to
each
other
and
are.
B
A
It
is
literally
these
software
network,
bridges
inside
the
machines
and
because
of
the
name
spacing
people
can
see
each
other
in
the
they
log
into
this
front
end.
They
can
see
each
other
and
they
can
shell
into
the
machines,
and
you
know
they
can
ping
each
other,
and
then
you
can
attach
an
outside
world
connection
called
a
floating
ip
and
then
they
can
get
out.
A
But
then
other
people
are
in
other
name
spaces,
and
so
they
can't
see
each
other,
and
so
it's
literally
a
cloudy
function,
a
self-serve
infrastructure
cloud
of
vms
and
virtual
networks
and
virtual
storage,
and
it
allows
you
to
do
just
lots
of
crazy
networking
things.
You
can
set
up
whole
topologies,
you
ever
play
with
gns3.
B
A
Yeah,
so
it's
kind
of
kind
of
like
that,
because
you,
whatever
you,
set
up
in
the
sim,
you
know
each
of
those
elements
you
can
plug
into
something
real
and-
and
this
just
from
the
beginning,
puts
it
in
this
sandbox.
You
can
literally
see
network
drawings.
A
So
that's
something
else
that
if
you're
a
network
person
it
might
be
of
interest
most
of
the
cell
phone
providers.
A
B
Yeah
for
sure
I,
mindful
of
your
time,
I
know,
we've
been
just
chatting
the
two
of
us
for
two
of
us
for
almost
an
hour,
so
I
appreciate
you
letting
me
just
kind
of
waffle
on
about
what
I've
been
experiencing
playing
around
with
this
stuff
and
giving
me
your
insights.
A
Yeah,
it's
good
it's
good
to
share.
I
didn't
I
didn't
mind
at
all
and
I
kind
of
blather
a
bit
myself,
but
you
took
the
time
to
connect.
I
was
on
it's
a
pretty
good
time.
I
mean
it's
like
you
know,
after
7
p.m.
Things
are
winding
down,
I'm
just
nibbling
on
pizza
and
coffee
and
yeah.
I'm
gonna
play
around
with
my
vms
here.
B
You
read
my
mind:
I'm
about
to
go,
grab
a
pie
myself
and
bring
it
back
and
yeah
start
hitting
the
keyboard
myself.
So
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
bruce.
A
Yeah
yeah,
it's
good
meeting
you
I
may
be
intermittent
on
some
of
these
meetings,
but
it'll
it'll
be
good
to
it'll,
be
good
for
me
to
make
them
because
it
keeps
me
it's
the
like
the
most
like
short
out
the
loop
way,
even
though
a
lot
of
these
people
are
on
my
overall
team,
it's
interesting
because
it's
fully
expo.
We
like
the
that
the
open
source
side
of
it
is
super
cool.
We're
fully
fully
exposed.
A
There's
get
lab
issues,
everybody
can
see,
there's
there's
nothing
to
hide
because
we're
making
money
off-
and
I
like
that,
it's
an
honest
kind
of
I
don't
proprietary
software
there's
nothing
dishonest
about
it,
but
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
it's
it's
not
as
much.
A
They
own
their
technology,
it's
not
like
something's
going
to
get
disabled
because
you
don't
have
a
subscription
once
if
they
possess
it,
it's
gpl,
and
so
they
they
can
always
possess
it
and
even
make
copies.
It's
the
branding,
that's
the
pretty
thing
and
it's
the
support
that
they
want.
People
buy
rel
because
they
want
support
yeah.
I
get
it
cool
all
right,
I'm
gonna
yeah,
I'm
gonna
drop
out
and
it
was
good
chad,
man.