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Township of Central Frontenac Regular Council meeting 2023-04-25
A
Okay,
it
is
four
o'clock
we're
going
to
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
I'd
like
to
start
with
the
land.
Acknowledgments
I
would
like
to
begin
by
acknowledging
that
the
land
on
which
We
Gather
is
the
traditional
and
unseated
territory
of
the
Algonquin,
Nation
and
I
would
also
ask
if
everyone
would
put
their
phones
on
mute
so
that
we
don't
have
phones
ringing
in
the
middle
okay.
A
C
A
Now,
therefore,
it
be
it
resolve
that
the
Council
of
the
township
of
central
Frontenac
hereby
declares
the
month
of
May
as
community
living
month
and
further
that
the
council
thanks
the
dedicated
Community,
Living,
North
Front
next
staff
and
volunteers
who
help
enrich
the
lives
of
our
residents
and
prior
to
the
meeting,
we
had
a
photo
shoot
at
the
back.
We
probably
had
I,
don't
know
20
people
in
the
photo,
so
hopefully
Jeff
Green
will
get
it
in
the
news.
He
missed
the
photo
shoot
by
the
way.
A
A
And
blue
okay,
thank
you,
Council!
All
right
now
we
are
going
to
move
right
on
to
staff
reports,
there's
no
deferred
items,
and
the
first
report
is
financial,
so
moved
by
Susan
and
seconded
by
Craig.
The
council
received
the
check
distribution
reports,
totaling
956
714.23,
as
prepared
by
the
treasurer
for
information
questions,
comments
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
paying
the
bills.
Emotions
carried.
A
Apportionment
report
moved
by
Susan
seconded
by
Craig.
The
council
approved
the
following
apportionment
of
assessment,
as
recommended
by
impact
for
2022
and
2023,
as
applicable
for
the
following
roll
numbers
and
there's
a
number
of
them
there.
Any
question
on
any
of
these
rule.
Numbers
or
properties
see
none
all
those
in
favor,
ites.
A
D
Madam
mayor,
thank
you
just
to
give
the
new
Council
an
overview
of
what
I
do
typically
on
the
budget
to
core
leave
report
is
I'll
print.
It
look
at
what
point
we're
at
in
the
year
whether
we're
25
in
this
case
or
50
of
it's
June,
see
what
revenues
are
more
than
75
left
to
collect
and
What
expenses
are
less
than
75
left
to
pers.
D
To
spend
I
do
notify
department
heads
of
any
concerns
that
I
see,
and
we
discussed
that
there
are
a
couple
situations
where
some
2022
expenses
made
it
into
2023
they're,
not
big
dollars.
The
graphs
that
I
have
in
there
are
just
to
give
us
an
idea,
comparing
march
to
March
year
over
year
for
the
last
five
years.
D
You
can
see
that
we're
relatively
similar
the
spikes
where,
where
there
are
spikes,
is
generally,
if
there's
a
grant
or
and
sometimes
a
lot
it's
time,
and
when
we
can
get
the
budget
passed
when
we
can
get
the
money
spent.
So
even
though
there
may
be
a
spike,
it
may
not
be
a
concern.
It's
just
timing.
D
Bank
interest
right
now
is:
we've
earned
half
of
what
we
budgeted
in
a
quarter
of
the
year.
So
that's
a
good
one,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
can
go
and
spend
that
there
are
seasonal
expenses,
heat
and
hydro
that
when
I
look
at
them
compared
to
last
year,
they
look
a
little
bit
higher.
But
when
I
look
back
five
years,
they're
relatively
in
the
middle
of
the
market
there
and
sand
and
same
with
sand
and
salt
so
and
on
the
one
graph
you'll
see
GG
or
general
government
is
negative.
D
A
D
A
E
A
A
F
E
G
E
C
H
E
E
G
C
C
A
We
are
at
Administration,
moved
by
Susan
and
seconded
by
Craig
that
Council
confirmed
the
name,
whiskey
Street
for
the
small
section
of
Road
currently
addressed
as
14
321
Road
38,
and
the
change
of
name
of
a
section
of
Alf
Patterson
Road
South
of
the
intersection
with
elf
Patterson
Lane
2
Oak
Bluffs
Road
per
the
proposed
draft
bylaw
attached
to
this
report
and
for
the
council
consider
passing
said
bylaw
later
in
the
meeting.
So
the
second
one
is
more
of
a
correction
and
the
first
one.
G
I
C
C
A
Right
joint
RFP
for
the
Integrity
commissioner,
moved
by
Craig
and
seconded
by
Susan.
The
council
received
the
report
joint
RFP
for
integrity.
Commissioner
report
for
information
and
for
the
council
authorized
the
CIO
clerk
to
work
with
the
county
and
participate
in
a
joint
request
for
proposal
for
Frontenac
County
local
Municipal
Integrity.
Commissioner,
any
discussion,
it's
always
better
to
go
together
and
get
a
better
deal.
Often
all
those
in
favor
carried.
A
All
right
we're
moving
right
along
here,
Danish
meeting
time
from
four
to
six
moved
by
Susan
seconded
by
Craig.
The
council
received
the
report
proposal
to
change
of
meeting
time
from
four
to
six
prepared
by
the
deputy
clerk
for
information
and
further
that
regular,
Council
and
Committee
of
adjustment
meetings
start
times
remain
at
4..
G
I
just
wanted
to
to
just
mention
the
fact
that
if
we're
the
keywords
out,
there
are
Equity
inclusion
and
diversity,
and
if
we
don't
consider
changing
the
time
it
is
making
it
so
that
you
can't
other
people
that
work.
It
is
gonna
teach
teach
your
people
who
work
into
not
wanting
to
run
for
public
office.
We've
talked
for
years,
the
past
four
or
five
years
now,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
have
younger
people
involved
and
with
setting
it
at
four
o'clock.
A
I'll
just
tell
you
the
past
30
some
years.
The
meetings
were
at
seven
o'clock
years
ago
and
it
was
still
basically
retired
people
that
were
applying
I,
don't
know.
When
we
look
at
the
candidates,
we
had
one
two.
We
had
four
or
five
people
who
were
employed
that
were
candidates
this
year,
maybe
even
more
than
that.
G
A
C
K
A
K
K
A
K
J
If
we
do
defeat
the
motion,
then
is
the
time
not
changed
then,
because
to
me
that's
saying:
okay,
so
we
decide
we
want
this,
but
no
we're
going
to
let
it
go
back
to
staff,
so
they
can
bring
it
back.
So
we
can
maybe
decide
the
next
time
to
not
want
this.
It's
like
giving
you
a
double
chance
to
turn
it
down
is
how
I
look
at
that
I.
F
C
J
A
G
I
Can
I
just
ask
for
clarification,
I
guess
that
I
I
agree
like
I
think
if
for
us
to
bring
back
more
figures
than
what
we
provided
with
the
sort
of
General
overview,
we
need
some
direction
as
to
whether
you
want
to
go
with
the
like
both
meetings
like
we,
there
was
a
couple
of
suggestions
and
recommendations.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
any
of
those
you
want
us
to
explore.
Are
we
just
going
with
both
Committee
of
adjustment
and
Council
meetings
at
six
o'clock?
We
can
provide
better
figures
on
that.
I
A
A
J
So
seeing
how
I've
put
for
motion
I
would
like
to
see
that
it
broke
down
between
the
cost
for
Council
meetings
and
the
cost
for
committee
of
adjustments.
The
two
different
meetings
separately,
so
that
we
kind
of
know
where
we
are
with
each
one
and
then
maybe
just
a
breakdown
of
the
exact
amount
of
hours
and
how
much.
G
I
would
like
to
also
I
would
like
to
see
a
justification
for
how
many
staff
come
to
all
of
our
meetings.
So
are
we
in
need
of
having
as
many
staff
at
all
of
our
meetings
as
we
do
and
eyes
like
further
in
the
agenda
I'm
deferring
a
my
motion
to
the
main
meeting,
because
staff
needed
more
time
they
didn't
have
time
so
maybe
in
tomorrow's
procedural
bylaw
I
was
hoping
for
clarity
that
we
sit
stand
firm
at
saying
that
the
managers
don't
come
to
two
meetings
a
month.
G
We
stick
firm,
that
all
of
their
business
has
to
be
ready
for
their
one
meeting
a
month
that
they
come
to,
because
that
would
cut
costs
down.
So
instead
of
Tyson
and
Chris
and
Michael
having
to
come
two
or
three
meetings,
they
only
come
to
one
meeting
and
if
they're
in
from
what
they
need
to
from
us,
is
not
ready.
Then
it's
they
don't
get
it
till
the
next
meeting,
and
so
costing
could
be
looked
at
in
a
more
efficient
way.
G
A
L
Thank
you,
madam
mayor,
just
to
throw
a
fly
in
the
ointment,
we're
doing
this
so
that
we
get
more
people
after
hours,
but
what
about
the
10
o'clock
and
the
12
o'clock
and
the
two
o'clock
a
bunch
of
meetings
that
we
have
to
do?
Why
aren't
they
part
of
this?
Why
is
there
only
three
meetings
a
month
and
not
the
rest
of
them.
A
H
So
the
one
question
that
comes
to
mind:
we
talked
about
managers
coming
to
these
meetings
and
they're
on
salary,
and
you
said:
labor
laws
have
changed,
but
if
you're
on
a
salary
and
you're
a
senior
manager,
does
your
salary
not
mean
that
you?
You
show
up
to
do
the
job,
because
we
we've
already
agreed
to
additional.
You
know
going
from
35
to
40
hours
and
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
there's
an
additional
week
of
time
booked
in
for
these
these
cases,
where
you're
coming
to
meetings
and
doing
extra,
so
I
guess
I'm
confused.
H
A
A
I
Meetings
so
the
special
meetings,
because
we
did
add
some
additional-
did
some
additional
work
today
with
looking
at
how
many
special
meetings
we
have
some
of
those
are
during
the
day
some
of
those
are
sort
of
at
a
regular
four
o'clock.
So
should
we
assume
that
those
would
be
all
in
the
evening
as
well
as
opposed
to
during
the
day
to
be
consistent?
One
of
the.
A
J
A
A
My
wrist
is
ringing.
Okay,
all
right!
We're
going
to
move
on
to
change
of
planning
fee
applications
moved
by
Craig
and
seconded
by
Susan
that
this
report
and
Associated
Detachment
be
received
for
information
and
further
the
council
direct
staff
to
bring
back
a
new
fees
and
charges
by
law
for
planning
applications
for
council's
consideration
and
further
that
Council
direct
staff
to
provide
notice
of
intent
to
pass
the
bylaw
in
front
neck
news
and
on
the
township
website.
Prior
to
considering
passing
the
bylaw
discussion
Philip,
you
can
start
us
off.
H
Thank
you,
madamir
I
did
have
a
question
it.
It
goes
back
in
history
a
little
bit
when
we
had
tonic
Consulting
doing
our
planning
review.
Did
we
not
pass
all
of
those
fees
on
to
the
applicants
at
that
time?
So
the
the
deficit
we're
running
today
is
a
lot
larger
than
what
we
had
when
we
had
a
consultant
is
what
I'm
thinking
and
then
my
second
part
to
the
fees
themselves.
H
A
M
So
that's
there's
lots
of
options.
Ideally,
yes,
you
want
to
capture
as
much
of
your
costs
as
as
possible
with
respect
to
the
the
building
without
a
permit.
The
only
caution
I
would
give.
Is
that
so
legally,
we
cannot
impose
a
fee
as
a
penalty,
because
the
planning
application
is
technically
separate
from
any
bylaw
enforcement.
M
That's
going
on,
so
it
would
be
really
nice
to
say
you
pay
twice
as
much,
because
you've
been
very
naughty,
but
legally
we
have
to
be
careful
that
we're
not
merging
the
planning
application
with
the
bylaw
enforcement
potential
penalty.
So
the
reason
we
we've
put
it
at
around
500
more
is
just
that.
There
is
some
extra
work
that
has
to
go
into
it:
staff
do
extra
site
visits,
we
have
extra
meetings
and
phone
calls.
We've
got
to
dig
back
into
old
records
and
old
Air
photos
to
see
what
was
on
this.
M
So
we
just
want
to
be
careful
that-
and
that
was
that
was
some
some
legal
advice
that
the
township
was
still
frontneck
had
got
because
they've
been
doing
this
for
a
while
and
and
the
caution
from
the
lawyer
was
that
you
can,
you
can
charge
a
higher
fee
for
something
that
requires
more
work.
You
can't
charge
a
higher
fee
just
because
you
want
to
penalize
somebody
who's
done,
something
that
they
shouldn't
have.
M
A
One
one
of
my
concerns
is
the
increases
go
very
quickly.
There's
there's
not
a
lot
of
progression
like
go
from
five
hundred
dollars
to
fifteen
hundred
dollars,
but
we
don't
want
to
discourage
development
and
I'm
afraid.
If
we
jump
things
too
quickly,
people
are
going
to
go
well,
they
obviously
don't
want
us
to
be
in
their
Township.
So
I
think
we
need
to
really
take
some
time
with
this
and
think
them
through
as
to
what
we
want
to
charge
with
each
of
them.
A
M
First
and
ahead
of
us,
so
we've
really
been
working
with
North
Central
in
the
islands
as
well
and
and
so
the
chart
you
see
in
front
of
you
when
I
did
it
originally
I
gave
the
same
copy
to
all
three
townships
and
and
then
what
I've
done
since
then
is
I've
worked
with
each
individual
sort
of
Township
staff
and
and
each
Township
has
made
some
changes
based
on
what
they
think
would
be
preferable
so
yeah.
So
it's
it's
entirely
up
to
you.
M
I
know
some
townships
want
to
be
the
same
as
their
neighbors
so
that
they
can
be
seen
to
be
competitive
and
again,
just
just
to
reiterate
what
what
is
in
the
report.
This
isn't
about
trying
to
discourage
development.
It's
about
it's
about
trying
to
cover
your
costs
right
and
I.
I
know
you've
been
through
a
budget
process.
I
know,
there's
only
so
much.
M
You
can
tax
your
your
your
property
owners
for,
and
so
ultimately,
one
of
your
only
other
avenues
for
increased
revenue
is
through
user
fees
and
charges
and
for
planning
applications
when,
when
the
application
benefits
only
one
property
or
one
owner,
the
idea
is
that
owner
should
bear
the
cost
of
that
service.
Just
because
you
have
a
lower
fee
or
you
have
no
fee
at
all.
M
The
cost
of
the
service
doesn't
go
away
and
when
I
say
cost
of
the
service,
it's
not
just
the
planning
services
and
the
agreement
that
we
have
with
the
township,
but
your
own
Township
staff
spend
a
lot
of
time.
You
know
dealing
with
applications
and
processing
them
and
putting
together
agendas
in
minutes.
So
again,
because
what
happens
is
if
you
don't
come
closer
to
covering
those
administrative
and
planning
costs
through
the
user
fee.
It's
just
coming
out
of
your
General
Revenue
right.
So
so
I
know
that.
M
G
Go
ahead
so
back
to
your
original
question,
Sonya
I
see
North,
Front
and
I
can
say
front
neck
charge
for
a
pre-application
consult
consultation
fee.
You
didn't
put
a
proposed
fee
in
there.
We've
heard
many
times
that
they
spend
a
lot
of
time
talking
to
an
applicant
before
they
get
their
application.
Even
in
is
that
something
we
want
to
look
at
and
then
I
have
a
second
question
after
that.
True.
M
You,
madam
mayor,
so
to
answer
that
so
under
the
the
First
Column
under
blue
proposed
fee,
so
four
cents.
So
these
are
your
proposed
fees
and
so
we're
proposing
a
hundred
dollars
for
committee
of
adjustment
type
applications
and
then
the
larger
applications
would
be
three
hundred
dollars.
So
yes,
right
now,
I
mean
statistically.
M
Pre-Application
is
very
important
because
it
helps
us
help
an
applicant
put
in
the
best
possible
application
and
submission.
But
right
now
it's
a
very
expensive
free
service.
We
do
spend
a
lot
of
time,
I
think
in
the
report
here
of
the
1059
hours
from
planning's
perspective
that
we
spent
on
on
your
services
in
2022.
Almost
36
percent
of
that
was
either
pre-application
consultation
and
or
just
you
know,
General
planning
inquiries,
so
very
important
work,
but
it's
it's
not
being
covered
in
any
way.
M
So
I
would
say
a
hundred
dollars
and
three
hundred
dollars
isn't
cost
recovery,
but
it
is
something
that
helps
towards
the
cost
of
the
services
and
those
those
those
numbers
that
I
mentioned
were
just
our
planning
hours.
It
doesn't
include
the
amount
of
time
that
your
Township
staff
also
spend
helping
helping
applicants
before
they
even
submit
the
application.
So.
G
Second
question
follows
Phillips
about
not
I,
understand
what
you're
saying
about
not
penalizing,
but
in
a
minor
variants
after
Building,
without
a
permit
you're
suggesting
1700,
but
most
of
the
other
two
proposed
costs
that
are
already
there
for
South
Frontenac
are
well,
are
over
2
000.
So,
should
we
not
be
looking
to
be
about
the
same.
M
Through
you,
madam
mayor
again,
so
what
was
in
proposed
I
was
trying
to
be
like,
so
there
their
minor
variance
is
well
you're
right,
it's
about
it's
about
the
same.
So
again,
it's
entirely
up
to
you,
I
mean
what
we've
brought
to.
You
is
our
research
that
we've
done
on
the
other
municipalities
and
what
we
think
is
an
appropriate
fee
level.
M
M
That
would
be
fine
as
long
as
long
as
it
is
Justified
right
and
if
so,
if
and
today,
we're
not
asking
you
to
pass
a
bylaw
or
say
you
know
an
absolute
yes
or
no
to
these
numbers
we're
just
kind
of
looking
for
some
direction
on
what
to
put
in
the
drop
by
law.
So
if
you
had
said
to
me,
okay,
so
for
the
minor
variants
and
the
rezoning
for
somebody
who
builds
without
a
permit,
we
think
it
should
be
more.
M
Then
we
can
take
that
back
and
we
can
do
some
more
research
as
to
you
know
what
those
costs
are,
because
at
the
end,
as
long
as
we
can
justify
The
increased
fee,
as
as
you
know,
related
back
to
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done
on
files
like
that,
then
then
that
then
that's
totally
possible.
We
can
bring
that
information
back.
A
L
A
I
A
So
we
can
pass
this
bylaw
to
Nate
and
we
can
still
or
sorry
the
motion
the
motion,
that's
in
front
of
us
and
we
can
still
spend
some
time.
Putting
our
suggested
numbers
together
and
I
would
say,
send
those
off
to
Cindy
and
she
can
collate
those
and
see
if
there's
some
consensus
on
UPS
or
downs
and
different
types
of
permits.
A
I
I
think
the
way
it's
worded
right
now
is
that
the
direction
is
to
bring
back
a
fee
in
charges
bylaw
for
consideration,
so
we
might
want
to
change
it.
If
you
want
to
give
us
more
Direction
in
terms
of
what
fees
need
to
be
in
the
bylaw
or
do
you
want
us
to
bring
back
the
bylaw
with
the
fees
that
we've
set
out
today
and
then
debate
the
bylaw.
M
That's
correct,
so
I
can't
I
can't
speak
to
the
township
staff.
We
did
ask
them
to
look
at
it
from
their
perspective
in
terms
of
their
costs
on
the
planning
side,
when
we
we
track
our
hours
using
a
software
program
called
Harvest.
So
we
have.
We
have
sections
for
each
of
the
townships
that
we
provide
services
for
within
that
each
project
or
file
or
application
we
get
gets
its
own,
gets
its
own
number
and
name,
and
then,
within
that
there's
various
subtasks.
M
So
I
could
tell
you
how
long
I
spent
writing
a
report
for
this
file.
You
know
so
so
we
can
break
it
down
quite
quite
a
bit
and
what
we
have
provided
here
are
averages
the
proposed
our
averages
that
we
feel
are
going
to
sufficiently
cover
the
planning
costs
which
are,
which
are
you
know,
sort
of
an
out-of-pocket
expense
and
in
some
cases,
will
also
cover
the
township
staff
costs.
It's
most
municipalities,
it's
it's
rare
to
have
100
cost
recovery.
M
You
know
for
the
for
their
services,
so
we
we
have
tried
to
take
the
time
to
look
at
with
our
software.
So
I
can
tell
you
that
you
know.
Last
year
we
spent
200
hours
writing
reports,
so
the
other
thing
that
I
would
say
in
addition
to
to
looking
at
our
hours
and
looking
at
sort
of
helping
to
increase
your
Revenue,
which
will
help
pay
for
the
planning
services
and
therefore
that
frees
up
money
in
your
General
Revenue.
M
We
are
also
trying
to
look
at
other
efficiencies
on
the
planning
Services
side,
so
we
had
been
to
CU
the
end
of
last
year
to
talk
about
the
community
planning
permit
system.
So
that's
going
to
take
a
while
to
put
in
place,
but
that
will
offer
some
efficiencies
in
the
future
and
in
the
next
couple
of
months
we
hope
to
be
back
to
have
a
conversation
with
you
about
delegated
authority
for
Undisputed
consents.
K
Yeah
and
that's
perfect
I,
just
don't
want
people
going
away
just
coming
back,
saying
I
think
that's
too
high
or
too
low
with
no
real
explanation
of
why.
Just
because
more
of
Craig
Middleton
just
thinks
somebody
shouldn't
have
to
pay
that,
because
you
guys
have
already
did
the
research
yeah
to
come
up
with
these
numbers
to
make
it
yeah
what
it
what
we
need
in
order
to
make
it
cover
itself.
Yeah.
M
And
so
I
I
mean
I
can
tell
you
right
now
for
committee
of
adjustment
applications
so
for
minor,
variances
permissions
and
consents.
We
spend
about
an
average
of
six
to
seven
hours
per
file.
Now
that
doesn't
include
site
visits
or
actual
committee
meetings,
because
we
end
up
tracking
that,
as
sort
of
one
meeting
I'm
going
to
talk
to
my
team
about
seeing
if
we
can
divvy
that
up
and
make
sure
it's
allocated
to
to
each
individual
file,
it's
just
a
little
bit
more
cumbersome
to
manage.
M
M
You
know
how
much
these
these
applications
are
are
going
to
cost
and
there's
always
outliers
I
mean
I,
did
a
minor
variance
in
North
Front
act
last
year
that
we
spent
over
45
hours
on
and
well
above
the
average
of
six
to
seven
hours
of
minor
variants.
So
some
there's
always
some
applications
are
very
quick
and
easy
and
some
are
much
more
complicated
and
so
you've
got
to
try
and
find
that
balance.
M
H
Thank
you.
Member,
so
I
have
two
questions.
Now
I
thought
I
heard
you
say
that
these
changes
would
cover
the
county
costs,
so
I
just
didn't
think
those
numbers
are
changing
significantly
enough
to
cover
120,
000
worth
of
fees
and
the
second
question
I
had
was
you
mentioned
that
you're
not
including
site
visits
or
Community
adjustment
meetings
in
that
thousand
hours?
That
we've
been
quoted.
M
So
you
three
three
Madam
mayor
so
for
the
last
one
they
are
including
your
overall
hours,
they're,
not
necessarily
just
broken
down
by
file
number
all
of
the
time
and
your
previous
questions.
So
the
120
000
is
it's.
It's
an
average
spread
over
three
years
and
it
also
includes
work.
That's
been
done
on
your
official
plan,
the
sharper
Lake
School
site
Redevelopment.
M
So
it's
the
percentage
attributed
to
development
applications
I
think
was
about
76
of
that
total.
So
it
was
around
92
to
95
000
I'm,
not
remembering
yeah.
So
so
so
some
of
your
costs
are
associated
with
some
of
the
bigger
policy
projects
that
we're
working
on
for
you,
but
the
ones
that
oh,
thank
you
Cindy
yeah,
so
so
basically
72
of
your
2023
billable
rate
is
in
a
pro
is,
is
what
we've
estimated
is
going
to
be
for
development
applications?
M
Necessarily
because
it
depends
on
how
many
we
get
and
as
I
said,
the
so
you're
being
the
the
charge
you
receive
in
a
year
is
based
on
the
previous
three
years.
Average
stories
I
mean
so
you
know
it's
it's
it's
not
an
exact
science
and
it's
not
I
mean
it's.
It's
not
going
to
be
a
hundred
percent
cost
recovery
in
a
ballpark
I
would
have
to
do
some
more
math
and
bring
that
back
in
another
report,
because
I'm
afraid
I
would
give
you
an
incorrect
number
at
this
point.
M
B
H
M
Yeah
through
you,
madam
mayor
again,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
what
those
costs
are
I
do
know
with
my
director
Mr
Gallivan.
He
was
he
here
prior
to
us,
taking
over
the
services,
he
has
seen
some
of
the
bills
and
and
the
bills
that
those
applicants
received
were
it
far
in
excess
of
the
few
thousand
dollars
that
these
applications
would
be
and
that's
another
option.
M
Another
option
is
is
and
I
can
report
back
on
how
it
goes,
but
I'm
in
North
Frontenac
on
Friday
to
talk
to
them
about
the
same
thing
and
they
would
like
to
try
and
cap
an
application
like.
So
if
you
apply
for
minor
variants
application
and
it's
twelve
hundred
dollars
that
twelve
hundred
dollars
gets
you
20
hours
of
the
planner's
time
right
and
when
you
go
over
the
20
hours,
we
track
it.
We're
going
to
charge
you
a
per
hour
rate
in
addition
to
the
application
fee.
So.
B
C
M
If
you're
a
little
bit
uncertain
about
some
of
the
numbers
might
seem
high,
then
maybe
you
lower
them
by
500
or
400
and
then,
but
you
also
lower
the
number
of
hours.
Like
I
mean
we
can.
We
can
finesse
it
in
any
way
that
you
want,
but
but
I
know,
North
Front
Knack
has
had
a
couple
of
very
large
complex
applications
and
they
are
well
passed,
recouping
their
their
planning
costs
so
they're
they
had.
F
F
B
M
N
M
For
you,
madam
mayor,
so
this
is
just
through
my
experience.
Working
with
the
township
of
South
Frontenac
I
know,
the
other
townships
have
not
experienced
a
lot
of
plans
of
subdivision
or
plans
of
condo,
but
we
expect
that
that
may
change
when,
when
things
move
forward
with
communal
services-
and
it
makes
servicing
options
open
up,
they
are
very
complicated,
complex
applications
and
although
technically
the
county
is
the
approval
Authority.
The
final
agreement
is
between
the
developer
and
the
township
right.
M
So
so,
for
instance,
the
example
that
I
have
is
working
with
South
frontac
I
work
very
collaboratively
with
their
staff
on
reviewing
all
of
the
documents.
The
county
takes
responsibility
for
having
a
peer
review
done
of
a
hydrogeological
report,
which
is
for
the
well
water
and
the
groundwater
quality.
But
there
are
going
to
be
a
lot
of
other
technical
studies
for
those
kinds
of
developments,
whether
it's
traffic
impact
train
analysis
for
septic.
M
Those
often
fall
to
the
township
to
provide
comments
to
the
county
on
and
if
the
township
does
not
have
staff
that
have
that
skill
set
to
review
those
engineering
reports,
then
you
are
often
on
the
hook
for
hiring
your
own
peer
reviewers.
So
the
deposits
are
intended
to
help
cover
some
of
those
costs.
A
A
So
does.
Does
anybody
want
to
move
deferral
of
this
and
we'll
get
more
information
from
staff,
because
you
can
you
can
just
put
to
find
them?
We
have
to
vote
for
different,
though
right
or
I
can
okay
move
by
Phillip
seconded
by
Craig
that
we
defer
the
decision
and
bring
it
back
is
the
second
week
of
May
soon
enough
or
too
soon.
M
L
M
A
Would
say
in
the
next
two
weeks
council:
is
that
reasonable,
since
it's
fresh
in
our
minds
that
we
send
any
comments
or
numbers
to
Cindy
that
she
can
have
that
in
front
of
her
I?
Don't
see
anybody
saying?
No
so,
let's
say
in
two
weeks
so
that
hopefully
sooner
than
later
that
will
come
in
and
then
you
can
go
from
there
and
bring
it
back
when
you're
ready
to.
M
Bring
it
back,
okay
and
we'll
we'll
do
some
more
number
crunching
and,
like
I,
said
I
I
still
have
you
guys
are
sort
of
the
first
that
I've
talked
to
I
know.
Seth
has
been
through
their
whole
process
and
I.
You
know
I
watched
their
meetings,
but
I
wasn't
directly
involved,
but
I'm
also
going
to
North,
Frontenac
and
I'm,
also
going
to
Frontenac
islands
and
somewhere
along
the
way.
I
may
hear
some
more
good
ideas.
Good
I
can
I
can
bring.
M
Are
some
decreases?
There
are
some
decreases.
That's
a
good
point.
I
was
going
to
point
out
so
cipeline
control.
Right
now
is
about
thirty
two
hundred
dollars
and
that's
all
site
plant
control
and
that's
a
very
expensive
application
for
say,
a
very
small
business.
So,
for
instance,
we're
proposing
to
have
a
lesser
fee
for
let's
see,
minor
applications
would
be
fifteen
hundred
dollars
and
major
applications
would
be
twenty
five
hundred
dollars.
M
So
it
wouldn't
be
an
automatic
deposit
each
time
so,
but
that
is
one
of
the
key
decreases,
because
and
I
think
that
that
is
something
that
it's
it's
it's
very
important
to
have
from
sort
of
a
health
and
safety
and
how
is
a
site
laid
out,
but
thirty,
two
hundred
dollars
for
all
businesses
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
onerous.
So
there
are,
there
are
some
decreases
as
well.
Good
yeah.
A
H
So
I
have
Madam
Mary
have
a
couple
questions.
Are
we
doing
more
sealant
than
South
ronak?
Their
tender
was
for
92k
and
we're
coming
in
at
153k,
and
obviously
the
the
price
was
by
by
meter
and
I
was
curious.
If,
if
we're
doing
more
and
we
had
bid
or
if
we
had
tendered
with
South
Frontenac,
would
we
got
a
better
price
based
on
the
fact
of
the
volume
between
the
two
municipalities
and
then
I
have
another
question
in
regards
to
what
what
part
of
the
competitive
purchase
non-competitive
purchasing?
O
It
is
possible
we
could
have
got
better
pricing
from
going
in
joint
tender
with
Seth
rognac.
Had
we
had
our
budget
approved
sooner
and
made
the
the
decision
for
removing
the
preservation
sooner
I,
don't
think
so,
with
those
quantities
or
those
volumes
I
think
they
have
pretty
standard
pricing
for
for
price
by
the
region
with
those
unit
prices,
but
I
can't
see
it
having
much
of
an
impact
on
the
price,
but
it's
possible
the
can.
You
repeat
the
second
question,
please
the.
O
D
H
Because,
what's
in
the
report,
it
says,
non-competitive,
purchasing,
non-competitive
Contracting
may
be
justified
under
the
following
set
of
criteria,
which
includes
but
is
not
limited
to
when
there
is
statutory
or
market-based
Monopoly
on
the
item
or
where
the
supply
of
a
particular
good
or
service
is
recommended,
because
it
is
more
cost
effective
beneficial.
So
that's
what
you're
saying:
that's
that's
what
falls
into
that
section
because
the.
D
A
O
Also
for
council's
ease
of
mine,
the
it's
great
that
they
were
the
lowest
bidder
and
we
know
we
know
that
the
it's
competitive
pricing,
the
number
one
advantage
for
us.
The
reason
we
were
interested
in
trying
to
procure
this
contractors,
because
there's
there's
no
better
proof
of
their
product
when
it
comes
to
a
product
like
crack,
sealing
poor
application
you'll.
As
you
drive
down
any
road,
you
see
the
cracks
you'll
get
rolled
out
of
the
joints
a
year
later,
two
years
later,
and
then
we're
just
throwing
money
away.
O
But
this
is
the
same
contractor
that
that
performed
our
cracks
in
like
years
ago
and
multiple
Public
Works
managers
and
Public
Works
staff
in
the
Frontenac,
County
or
even
L
A
County
have
commented
on
how
good
of
a
job
they've
done
on
38
and
in
that
same
year,
in
that
same
that
same
contractor,
doing
crack
sealing
for
other
townships
is
quite
reputable.
It's
they've
it's
held
up
really
well
so,
and.
O
We
our
goal,
so
the
unit
pricing
was
actually
even
lower
than
what
we
budgeted.
So
this
it's
a
tough
one
to
estimate
because
it's
by
the
meter,
but
you
have
to
literally
wheel
every
meter
to
get
an
accurate.
So
they
try
to
do
three
cracks
per
meter.
It's
a
long
process
for
estimating,
but
this
is
supposed
we're.
We
were
just
under
being
able
to
do
the
entire
Road
38,
and
this
is
out
of
the
pavement
preservation
budget.
O
O
O
I,
don't
want
to
get
council's
hopes
up,
but
we
know
that
the
contractor
was
conservative
with
their
estimate
we're
crossing
our
fingers,
hoping
that
we
would
obviously
come
back
and
approach
Council
again
first
to
see
whether
they
want
to
choose
cost
savings
or
more
meters.
But
there's
we
have
an
idea
that
it
may
be
more
than
that
and
might
even
take
a
look
at
some
of
wagerville
road
as
well.
A
C
A
and
where's.
The
Public
Works
manager
has
reviewed
the
bids
and
has
evaluated
according
to
the
criteria
outlined
in
the
tender
and
is
recommending
to
award
the
central
Frontenac
portion
of
the
tender
to
Miller
Paving
as
the
successful
contractor.
Now,
therefore,
it
be
resolved
that
Council
award
Miller
Paving
limited
as
a
successful
bidder
in
the
amount
of
ninety
one
thousand
two
hundred
forty
dollars
and
38
cents,
including
HST,
and
further
the
Public
Works
manager,
be
authorized
to
issue
a
purchase
order
for
the
work
discussion.
Nikki.
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
O
Do
you,
madam
mayor
to
counselor
Gowdy
I,
knew
that
question
was
coming
and
I
had
my
Excel
sheet
up
and
then
it
seemed
to
close,
but
it
just
loaded
again
so
just
be
patient
with
me
for
one
second
here
as
long
as
Noah
hasn't
updated
this,
because
this
is
still
my
one
from
budget
that
will
be
wimp.
Road
600
meters
on
wemp
road
1200
meters
on
Westgate,
Road,
800
meters
on
Elgin
young,
but
I
I
actually
think
we've
added
to
that
because
of
unit
pricing
coming
in
better
than
estimated.
O
C
J
O
Through
Madame
mayor
to
counselor
Kelsey,
the
Arden
Road
and
Westport
Road,
our
Noah
asked
me
today
when
I
can
carve
out
some
time
to
go
over
the
final
construction.
Drawings
he's
been.
That's
something
else
he's
done
in-house
for
us,
so
we
don't
have
to
pay
a
consultant
so
hoping
to
get
those
out.
Obviously
we
can't
award.
We
wouldn't
be
able
to
bring
it
to
the
May
9th
meeting,
but
shooting
for
the
possibly
the
second
meeting
in
May
to
award.
O
J
A
road
that
you
can
have
your
staff
have
a
look
at
it's:
basically,
a
garbage
dump,
there's
garbage
diapers
and
Bottles.
It
starts
at
the
park
at
the
Henderson
Road
and
it
runs
probably
a
kilometer
in
and
as
far
back
as
you
can
see
in
the
bush,
I
know.
Bylaw
has
been
asked,
but
nothing
seems
to
be
happening.
You
really
should
have.
Maybe
somebody
go
up
even
with
a
loader
and
like
that's
how
much
there
is
and
load
it
up
in
a
dump
truck
or
something
somewhere,
because
it's
bad.
O
Absolutely
at
Madame
and
I
were
speaking
about
this
before
the
meeting
is,
and
just
today
has
been
brought
to
my
attention
again.
So
probably
with
the
snow
melt,
it's
been
quite
obvious.
So
does
any
counselors
have
any
more
suggestions
unless
we
budget
to
do
a
project
ourselves
or
where
we
have
to
get
equipment
in
there
and
excavate
it
out
of
the
out
of
the
out
of
the
ditches,
but.
C
A
J
So
it's
vacant
land,
it's
not
a
rented
or
leased
piece
of
property-
is
there's
been
waste
on
that
land
for
quite
a
few
years,
and
actually
in
the
fall,
I
went
and
I
walked
the
property
and
you
can
walk
back.
There's
like
a
ridge.
It
is
as
big
as
the
old
and
dump
site.
Okay.
So
for
us
to
fix
this,
we're
looking
at
some
major
money,
so
whatever
they
the
boys
could
do,
would
probably
help,
because
it
is
as
far
as
you
can
see,
so
you
guys
should
go
and
look
at
it.
It's.
A
A
But
if
it's
a
vacant
piece
of
property
chances
are
you'd,
never
get
your
money
back,
but
I
did
have
a
call
today
from
the
lady
who
called
me
initially
saying
that
if
something
wasn't
soon
done,
they
were
going
to
start
talking
to
the
media
about
it.
So
we
need
to
go
back
and
do
some
work,
Cindy
and
then
Lynn.
J
A
The
very
sad
part
I've
got
one
on
my
road
any
place.
The
road
is
close
to
a
ravine.
People
are
throwing
garbage
over
the
hillside,
so
unless
the
owners
of
the
property
fence
it
or
put
up
cameras
to
catch
people,
it's
just
very
sad
that
people
would
do
that
yeah.
Well.
If
we
can
catch
them
doing
it,
we
can
certainly
find
them,
but
again
without
cameras
and
license
plate
numbers.
How
do
you
figure
out
who's
doing
it?
Philip.
H
A
A
C
K
K
G
Nikki
my
question
is
more
or
less
maybe
to
Chris
or
Cindy,
but
we
pay
by
a
lot
of
money
to
go
out,
but
we
have
to
helm
bylaw
to
keep
going
back
for
the
same
complaint.
I
put
a
complaint
in
on
the
Godfrey
Road
last
fall.
They
finally
did.
It
took
three
times
complaining
to
get
the
follow
through
and
finally,
a
letter
was
given
to
these
people
last
Monday.
G
A
Maybe
we
could
ask
Chris
and
Donna
to
do
a
report.
Basically,
Council
has
not
received
reports
on
the
specifics
of
bylaw
in
fractions,
which
is
I,
guess
public
information,
but
maybe
we
need
to
step
up
our
enforcement
and
say
to
the
people
enforcing.
We
expect
action
on
these
cases
and
not
just
go
back
and
try
to
avoid
it.
A
O
Madam
mayor,
what
Public
Works
can
do
is
get
more
recent
photos.
I'm
not
I,
think
we'll
have
to
check
on
putting
a
camera
on
the
property.
That's
not
ours,
but
I
didn't
mean
people
are
dumping
on
property.
It's
not
theirs.
So
I'm,
okay
with
that's
a
pretty
small
expense.
If
we
want
to
give
the
camera
a
try,
but
I,
just
Public
Works
will
make
this
a
priority
to
whether
we're
working
with
fire
bylaw
we'll
look
into
it
for
sure.
Okay,.
L
A
Okay,
something
to
look
into
and
for
public
works.
Thank
you.
Tyson!
We're
going
to
move
on
to
committee
reports
moved
by
Bill
Everett
second
by
Dan,
Meeks,
that
the
minutes
of
the
Kennebec
Recreation
committee
meeting
held
March,
the
6th
2023
be
received
for
information,
anything
to
add
to
the
Kennebec
Rec
committee;
okay,
all
those
in
favor
Gary.
A
G
A
G
P
P
A
A
H
I
I'm
fine
with
the
motion,
but
I
just
wanted
to
ask
about
the
process
because
I
know
when
we've
done
speed
reductions
in
other
areas.
We've
asked
staff
to
comment
on
those.
So
I
don't
know
if
if
Zach
has
actually
looked
at
this
and
they're
okay
with
the
50
kilometer
speed
limit
or
we're
kind
of
skipping
a
step
and
council's
dictating
what
we
want
the
speeds
to
be.
J
A
J
J
N
B
A
L
A
L
B
H
Can
I
just
ask
about
Cemetery
maintenance,
the
Econo
Cemetery,
there's
a
bunch
of
trees
down
cedar
trees
came
down
in
the
last
ice,
storm
and
I
know.
There's
been
a
number
of
calls
about
re,
getting
those
trees
removed
and
I
know
the
last
time
we
inquired
about
removing
trees.
It
took
months
and
months.
So
I
don't
know
if
this
is
something
Public
Works
can
actually
help
with
cemeteries
and
clean
up
the
brush.
That's
that's
down.
O
Go
ahead,
Tyson
interview,
councilor,
Smith,
Public
Works
is
pretty
strapped
right
now
for
ditching
skating
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
But
I
could
make
a
call
shortly
after
this
meeting
and
have
it
cleaned
up
in
no
time
by
I.
Imagine
that's
what
the
what
Donna
would
do
if
she
were
here.
Anyways
get
a
contractor
to
do
it,
but
whatever
Council
wants.
B
C
G
B
K
F
C
G
F
D
We
have
up
to
thirty
two
thousand
dollars
for
debris.
Cleanup
I
think
is
what
the
words
had
there.
We
had
17
that
we
submitted
and
there
were
other
costs
that
I
was
going
to
talk
to
the
department
heads
about
this
could
certainly
fall
under
that
one
and
then
there's
114
000
for
infrastructure,
so
scientists
of
the
buildings
or
whatever
other
structure
that
was
needed
to
need
to
be
repaired.
So,
yes,
some
costs
were
already
spent
in
2022.
A
A
So
that's
all
the
newer
other
business.
So
now
we're
moving
into
the
closed
session
and
I'll
read
a
motion
move
by
Nikki
and
seconded
by
Philip.
The
council
resolve
into
closed
session
under
section
239.2
of
the
municipal
act,
to
discuss
matters
relating
to
one
personal
matters
about
an
identifiable
individual,
including
municipal
or
local
board
employees,
section
239
2B,
all
those
in
favor
Eric.