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From YouTube: City of Chandler Planning and Zoning Meeting 6-07-23
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City of Chandler Planning and Zoning Meeting 6-07-23
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Thank
you
very
much
and
then
item
number
nine
Amos
Vance
I
do
not
want
more
music
in
the
neighborhood
Amos.
Do
you
want
to
speak
on
the
item
or
just
want
to
State
your
opposition
foreign?
If
you
want
to
talk
about,
if
you
want
to
come
up
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
up
on
the
dice
right
here,
please.
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So
if
the
applicant
is
not
being
a
good
neighbor
and
the
music's
above,
what's
supposed
to
be,
you
know,
they're
gonna
have
to
come
back
here
in
a
year
and
in
that
case
the
permanent
might
be
be
issued.
So
I
specifically
asked
what
type
of
music
was
going
to
be
played,
especially
in
the
early
mornings
and
I
hope.
These
guys
are
going
to
be
good
neighbors.
They.
You
know
the
restaurants
are
fairly
successful.
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It's
part
of
our
whole,
you
know
downtown
entertainment
area,
but
I
do
hear
you
and
I
think
they.
They
need
to
be
aware
of
that
that
they're
trying
not
to
disturb
the
neighbors.
That's
why
I
was
questioning
early
morning
music
in
terms
of
that
as
well
and
stuff.
So
to
the
audience.
We
have
a
study
session
prior
to
this,
where
we've
discussed
items
one
through
10..
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Motion
carries
unanimously.
Okay.
Thank
you
very
much
all
right.
The
next
item
is
item
number
11.
staff.
Do
you
want
to
make
a
presentation
for
the
audience?
What
we'll
do
is
Staff
will
make
a
presentation
we'll
go
to
the
applicant
to
make
their
presentation
and
then
I'll
go
to
the
speaker
cards
if
anybody,
besides,
what
I
have
up
here,
if
there's
anybody
who'd
like
us
to
speak,
please
fill
out
a
speaker
card
and
give
it
to
our
Clerk
Lauren
you're
up.
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Good
evening
Planning
and
Zoning
Commissioners
tonight
on
your
action
agenda,
we
have
item
11,
plh,
2218
and
PLT
2217
honeysuckle
Trail
the
request
before
you
this
evening.
There's
there's
a
couple
of
requests
as
part
of
this
request,
so
I'm
going
to
walk
you
through
it
a
couple
of
times
through
this
PowerPoint.
But
the
request
before
you
is
a
rezoning
from
sf33
single
family
to
planned
area,
development
for
single
family,
residential
and
a
city
park,
a
preliminary
development
plan
for
subdivision
layout
and
housing
product,
as
well
as
a
preliminary
plant
for
a
48
lot.
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Single-Family
subdivision
in
city
park
with
retention.
The
subject
site
is
located
at
the
North
West
corner
of
Warner
and
bull
moose.
It's
approximately
a
quarter
of
a
mile
from
Dobson
and
Warner
the
subject
site
fronts
onto
Warner
Road
and
an
existing
church
or
a
dilapidated
Church
exist
on
site,
with
existing
retention
along
the
north
side
of
the
property
to
the
east
of
the
subject.
P
Site
is
a
collector
Street,
Bull,
Moose,
drive
and
east
of
that
is
a
single
family
subdivision,
zoned
SF
8.5,
the
Orange
Tree
Subdivision
of
lots,
averaging
7,
000
square
foot
Lots
to
the
north.
We
have
El
Alba,
Way
and
single-family
Zone
properties,
sf-18
and
then
to
the
west
of
the
property.
All
of
that
land
is
unincorporated
and
currently
located
within
Maricopa
County,
along
Warner
Road.
At
the
South
West
corner
of
the
the
of
the
proposed
site.
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In
that
case
there
was
a
preliminary
plot
that,
or
there
was
a
plot
that
was
established
and
the
north
side
of
this
property
was
identified
as
a
track
for
retention.
It
was
privately
owned,
but
it
was
retention
for
the
entire
subdivision
to
the
east.
At
that
time
the
property
was
owned
by
a
church
a
year
later
in
1980,
because
a
church
isn't
permitted
by
right
on
an
sf-33
property.
They
acquired
a
use
permit
to
allow
for
a
church.
So
the
picture
on
the
right
side
of
the
screen
is
from
1986.
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P
There
was
a
large
storm
that
occurred
here
in
Chandler.
The
picture
in
front
of
you
shows
you
standing
in
or
standing
on,
the
north
side
of
the
Basin.
Looking
East
into
the
community
water
inundated
the
retention
Basin
going
up
over
the
street
and
onto
the
single
family
driveways
just
reaching
their
garage
doors
retention
basins
are
required
to
hold
a
hundred
year
two
hour
storm
and
if
I
understand
that
correctly,
it's
2.2
inches.
This
storm
dropped
about
three
times
that
amount
and
being
not
built
to
current
standards
and
not
being
maintained
throughout
the
years.
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P
Fast
forward,
even
more,
we
get
to
2018.
there's
a
home
builder
New
Village
Homes.
They
submitted
a
zoning
application
to
rezone
the
property
to
allow
for
57
single-family
homes.
They
were
going
to
keep
the
retention
Basin
as
the
city
at
the
time
said.
They
had
no
desire
to
maintain
or
take
over
responsibility
of
the
of
the
basin.
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Under
this
proposal
there
was
going
to
be
private
amenities
in
between
the
subdivision
and
the
retention
basin.
We
later
found
out
in
reviewing
the
plans
that,
at
that
time,
the
the
calculations
were
Incorrect
and
it
wouldn't
be
able
to
suffice.
The
correct
amount
of
retention
required
and
due
to
the
amount
of
opposition,
the
case
was
withdrawn
in
July
of
2019..
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So
on
the
south,
kahov
is
a
homebuilder
here
in
the
valley
and
they
are
proposing
to
rezone
the
property
to
planned
area
development
for
single-family
homes,
they're
proposing
48
Lots
within
eight
Acres
that
those
acres
are
only
outlined
in
green.
They
were
unable
to
use
any
of
the
Acres
from
the
park
or
the
retention
Basin
to
the
north
to
equate
towards
their
density.
So,
with
those
eight
acres
and
the
48
single
family
lots
they're
coming
in
at
eight
units
per
acre,
the
standard
lot
sizes
are
4
000
to
6859
square
feet.
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As
part
of
this
request,
there's
a
preliminary
development
plan
for
housing
product,
the
home
builder
is
providing
four
separate
floor
plans
with
three
architectural
themes,
including
Spanish
Spanish,
modern
Farmhouse
and
contemporary.
The
homes
being
proposed
are
range
from
1979
square
feet
to
2640
square
foot.
The
building
setbacks
for
these
homes
on
each
individual
lot.
P
The
front
setback
would
be
20
feet
from
back
a
sidewalk
to
front
of
the
garage
to
allow
for
vehicles
to
park
and
not
overhang
the
sidewalk
and
then
13
feet
in
the
front
for
any
livable
or
front
patios
side
yards
for
this.
They
would
be
required
to
maintain
five
feet
on
each
side
of
the
home
and
rear
yard.
Setbacks
are
10
feet
with
the
ability
to
reduce
that
setback
to
five
feet
for
any
accessory
buildings.
P
Now,
moving
to
the
north,
the
request
is
to
rezone
this
property
from
sf-33
to
pad
for
a
city
park
with
retention.
There
was
a
preliminary
development
plan
submitted
and
it
has
been
evaluated
by
City
engineers,
and
we
can
confirm
that
the
Basin
can
retain
that
Acquire,
the
required
volume
calculations
between
the
park
and
the
retention
Basin.
It's
totaling
approximately
4.5
Acres.
Now
let
me
break
that
down
for
you,
so
on
the
south
portion
of
it,
which
would
be
between
the
subdivision
and
the
retention
basin.
P
The
home
builders
is
providing
they're
going
out
there
and
re-grading
the
entire
site
to
accommodate
retention
for
all
surrounding
properties,
including
theirs,
and
they
plan
on
building
a
park.
The
park
will
be
1.7,
Acres
large
and
it
will
include
a
Tot
Lot,
a
shaded
Ramada
with
seating
and
a
barbecue
area.
P
It
will
be
turf
with
sidewalks
leading
down
into
the
area
north
of
that
in
order
to
get
a
usable
public
park
open
to
the
public.
The
retention
Basin
had
to
be
deep
in
order
to
accumulate
all
that
water,
so
the
retention
Basin
is
2.8,
Acres
large
and
it's
secured
with
view
fencing
due
to
the
depth
of
it.
It's
proposed
at
five
feet.
Maricopa
County
requires
anything
over
3.4
feet,
deep
to
be
secured
because
it
could
pool
upon
completion.
The
city
will
own
and
maintain
both
the
retention,
Basin
and
the
park.
P
This
is
being
processed
through
a
development
agreement
which
would
be
heard
before
city
council,
as
well
with
the
zoning
case.
It's
tied
to
the
zoning
case,
one
of
the
residents
years
ago,
brought
it
to
my
attention
that
in
this
area,
there's
no
park
within
their
square
mile.
This
exhibit
is
taken
from
our
existing
city
parks
within
our
general
plan.
The
circle
is
the
square
mile
between
Warner
to
Elliott,
from
Dobson
to
price
in
this
area,
there's
no
no
public
park
for
the
neighbors
to
attend
foreign.
P
So
as
for
neighborhood
Outreach,
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
we
requested
this
Beyond
action
is:
we've
heard
a
lot
from
residents
in
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
They
had.
They
were
only
required
to
have
one
neighborhood
meeting,
but
due
to
the
amount
of
attendees
from
the
first,
we
requested
that
a
second
neighborhood
meeting
be
held.
The
first
was
held
in
on
January
10th
and
the
second
April
12th
of
this
year.
P
P
The
zoning
code
code
only
requires
that
residents
with
property
owners
within
600
feet
of
The
Proposal
be
notified
of
any
neighborhood
meetings.
The
applicant
and
homebuilder
went
out
and
invited
everybody
from
orange
tree,
and
so
both
meetings
were
well
attended,
standing
room
only
as
of
today,
staff
is
aware
of
opposition
to
the
request,
as
well
as
support
to
clean
up
the
property.
P
After
talking
with
our
city
traffic
engineer,
you
know
there
was
a
traffic
study
done
one
year
ago
and
there
were
numbers.
The
numbers
did
not
warrant
a
traffic
signal
further
and
more.
When
we
look
at
this
exhibit
there's
a
blue
square.
That's
bull,
moose
on
the
other
side
because
they
were
built
offset.
It
makes
it
it
does
not
set
up
a
good.
P
It's
it's,
not
a
good
area
to
set
up
a
traffic
signal
because
of
the
offset
of
bull
moose
and
the
median
turn
lane
residents
were
concerned
with
the
amount
of
traffic
I've
circled
all
of
the
exits
from
the
subdivision.
The
purple
hatched
area
on
this
exhibit
are
County.
Islands,
we've
heard
from
a
lot
of
County
County
Island
residents.
The
concern
of
residents
from
this
proposal
going
through
their
subdivision
to
get
to
Elliott
other
concerns
that
we've
heard
is
you
know
the
the
request
for
two-story
product,
the
property,
the
subdivision
adjacent.
P
It's
zoned,
SF
8.5.
Although
there
are
no
two-story
homes
in
that
subdivision,
they
do
have
the
ability
to
increase
to
a
two-story
as
permitted
by
right
in
their
zoning.
We've
we've
heard
that
it
is
too
dense.
When
we
look
at
the
proposal,
it's
in
compliance
with
our
general
plan,
as
it
sits
along
an
arterial.
P
This
is
a
true
infill
development.
It
sits
between
two
different
intensities
of
you
know.
Rural
large
acre
lots
to
homes
that
are
approximately
averaging
7
000
square
foot,
Lots
it's
in
close
proximity
to
a
highway,
and
you
know
staff
feels
that
it
is
a
compatible
land
use.
As
designed.
The
other
concern
we've
heard.
The
yellow
line
indicated
on
here
is
an
irrigation,
ditch
located
within
the
county
properties
and
just
wondering
how
that
would
be
maintained.
P
P
P
A
couple
of
stipulation,
PDP
stipulation,
number
10,
was
also
included,
as
requested
by
a
resident
stating
that
Lots
1
in
42,
which
are
the
lots
immediately
adjacent
to
Bull
Moose,
be
limited
to
the
two
smaller
floor
plans
as
to
you
know,
since
they
are
closer
those
two
side,
homes
are
closer
than
any
of
the
others
to
help
create
a
better
buffer
for
the
existing
community,
and
with
that
staff
recommends
approval
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Lauren.
D
P
Chair
human
I
was
able
to
follow
up
with
the
applicant
and
so
the
way
that
the
step
is
currently
written.
We
have
a
step
that
says
PDP
step
number,
two,
that
the
same
elevation
should
not
be
built
side
by
side
or
directly
across
the
street,
they've
agreed
to
add
an
additional
stipulation
that
would
limit
Lots
one
through
eight
from
being
the
same
elevation
and
or
floor
plan
for
Lots,
one
through
eight,
which
back
up
to
Warner
Road.
So.
D
D
P
Human,
if
the
charter
school
was
publicly
funded,
they
would
not
be
required
to
meet
any
of
the
city
city
standards
with
regards
to
zoning.
They
would
just
have
to
meet
life
safety
and
fire
they're,
not
even
required
to
meet
traffic
standards,
and
so,
if
a
publicly
funded
charter
school
was
to
acquire
this
property,
you
know
they
they
could
go
and
buy
right
and
possibly
secure
that
retention,
Basin
and
fence
it
off,
because
schools
generally
don't
allow
non-school
users
to
be
on
site
and.
G
P
G
K
P
Through
through
the
chair,
commissioner,
Vasquez
there's
two
art
knowledge,
I,
don't
believe,
there's
any
in
there
today
with
the
request
before
you,
there
are
no
and
I'll
confirm
with
the
applicant,
maybe
when
they
come
up,
but
I
I
believe
that
they're
not
requesting
drywalls
to
be
undergrounded.
Okay,.
G
P
Chair
through
the
chair,
commissioner,
vasque
is
a
great
question,
so
the
exhibit
before
you,
you
know,
you'll
see
that
green
line.
So
a
portion
of
the
subdivision
retains
along
Bull
Moose
within
that
green
area
and
then
a
little
bit
spills
over
which
the
city
Engineers
signed
off
on.
But
everything
in
the
park
would
drain
towards
the
retention
Basin.
M
P
P
You,
yes,
there
will
be
berms
out
along
if
you
Park
plan,
oh
yeah.
So
in
this
plan
you
see
that
they're
actually
they're
keeping
some
of
the
trees
they're,
keeping
some
of
those
mature
trees,
they're,
adding
some
trees
out
along
Bull
Moose
there,
and
then
they
will
have
some
birming
in
order
to
try
to
break
up
those
views
and.
M
M
J
P
Q
Deep
chairman,
if
I
could
jump
in
real
quick,
so
the
entire
city
parcel
effectively
retains
water
anything
deeper
than
3.49
feet.
Deep
needs
to
be
fenced
off
from
Maricopa
County,
so
the
the
park
side
of
the
of
the
city
parcel
to
be
owned
will
be
that
that
depth,
that
doesn't
require
fencing,
but
it
will
be
a
basin,
so
it
the
100
year,
two
hour
event
storm.
The
retention.
Basin
will
be
full
and
the
water
will
fill
up
above
that
and
then
go
over
all
the
way
to
the
to
the
city
park.
Q
N
R
Mr
chair
just
one
question:
excuse
me
as
it
relates
to
the
overall
Ambitions
of
water
conservation,
just
curious
on
the
amount
of
turf
shown
there,
since
this
isn't
likely
to
be
an
activated
park
with
soccer
fields
and
all
those
other
things
just
curious
on
the
immense
amount
of
turf
there.
And
if
there
was
any
thoughts
on
reducing
that.
Just
out
of
curiosity,.
P
Through
the
chair,
commissioner,
there
were
a
lot
of
conversations
had
we've
been
looking
at
this.
For
over
a
year,
there's
been
discussions
with
our
parks
department,
civil
Trump.
It's
been
an
ongoing
conversation
at
one
point,
it
was
said
to
just
DG
the
entire
thing,
but
the
the
Tot
Lot
but
I,
who
would
really
want
to
use
that?
Would
you
feel
comfortable,
walking
a
dog
in
it,
letting
your
child
play
in
it?
So
we
expected
that
a
portion
of
it
be
turfed.
N
D
S
Good
evening,
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
Ralph
Pugh
My
office
address
is
in
Mesa.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
this
afternoon
on
behalf
of
K
hobnanian
homes
and
with
me
here
today
is
Mr,
Chuck,
Chisholm
and
also
Francisco
Castell
from
K
hobnanian
members
of
the
commission.
This
has
been
a
long
and
arduous
task
to
bring
this
parcel
to
you
today
you
are
seeing
the
tip
of
the
proverbial
iceberg
in
the
best
description
possible.
S
A
full
two
years
has
taken
to
get
to
this
point,
and
many
thanks
to
the
staff.
Let
me
just
say
that
we've
had
practically
every
discipline
at
the
city
and
every
Department
involved
in
one
way
or
another
in
this
particular
plan
and
how
it
could
be
rehabilitated
and
how
it
can
work
today.
So
thank
you
to
not
only
your
planning
and
Engineering
but
other
departments,
the
legal
department
and
everybody
has
been
great
to
work
with
to
get
this
to
this
point
today.
S
So
I
certainly
don't
intend
to
reiterate
everything
that
Ms
Schumann
had
to
say
today.
Her
her
presentation
was
comprehensive
and
complete.
Let
me
just
highlight
a
few
things
that
I
heard
from
commissioners
before
I
forget
them
with
respect
to
the
density.
If
you
take
the
48
Lots
into
12
full
Acres,
we
would
be
at
four
units
to
the
acre
I
think
that
was
a
question
or
comment
that
one
of
you
had
made
earlier.
If
you
do
the
math,
that's
what
it
really
amounts
to
the
other
thing
having
to
do
with
the
development
agreement.
S
We
are
working
with
the
city's
attorney's
office
and
appreciate
their
help.
That
will
be
reviewed
and
looked
at
by
the
city
council
in
conjunction
with
this
case,
and
that
document
will
Define
all
the
parameters
within
which
the
retention
Basin
gets
built.
The
Park
area
gets
built
when
and
how
does
that
land
get
conveyed
and
transferred
to
the
city?
S
All
that
technical
business
is
handled
in
that
development
agreement
there
are
and
will
be
planned
for
this
project
dry
Wells,
clearly
to
make
the
retention
Basin
function
and
with
respect
to
Turf,
commissioner,
the
main
Basin
that's
five
feet
deep
and
that
is
protected
with
the
fence
will
not
have
turf
in
the
bottom
of
it.
It
will
be
a
very
functional
for
lack
of
a
better
word
Basin,
but
the
other
portion
of
the
park
will
have
turf
for
the
playground
area.
S
So
what
caused
the
confusion?
Someone
else
asked
that
question.
How
did
we
get
to
this
point
right?
This
is
a
highly
unusual
spot
to
be
in
it
all
started
in
1978,
with
an
ambiguous
language,
a
paragraph
in
a
plat
for
the
Orange
Tree
Subdivision,
and
what
responsibility
lied,
where,
with
respect
to
retention
that
situation
just
existed
and
I
can't
take
the
fault
for
it.
I
started
practicing
law
in
1979,
so
this
was
done
at
about
that
time,
but
I
didn't
do
it,
I,
don't
know
who
did
and
nobody
in
Chandler.
S
Frankly,
none
of
the
staff
had
anything
to
do
with
it
so
we're
living
today
with
what
happened
then,
and
we're
trying
to
structure
it
in
a
way
that
works
now.
So
the
benefits
to
the
city
are
clearly
as
follows:
one
a
retention
Basin,
that's
designed
to
be
utilitarian
five
feet
deep
protected
with
fencing
to
serve
the
neighborhood
and
the
community.
So
we
don't
have
what
happened
in
2014..
That's
number
one
to
the
city
and
we
would
hope
to
hear
from
our
neighbors
that
it's
important
to
them
right
and
so
this.
S
The
second
item
here
is
not
only
that,
but
now
a
public
park,
so
just
slightly
less
than
two
acres
of
this
land
will
indeed
be
a
public
park
with
amenities
fully
accessible
to
members
of
the
community.
That's
the
second
major
benefit.
Then
we
also
have
here
an
unoccupied
structure
with
unattended
to
Landscaping.
S
Both
of
those
issues
combine
to
not
create
a
very
pleasant
spot,
so
we're
going
to
rehabilitate
that
at
our
expense
and
then
convey
it
to
the
city.
So
those
are
things
you
just
don't
see
in
projects
and
most
projects
don't
have
to
deal
with
coming
in
on
a
pure
infill
I
mean
Lauren,
hit
it
right
on
the
head
describing
infield.
This
is
a
picture-perfect
example
of
that.
S
The
other
thing
I
think
is
important
to
note
that
this
has
a
full
recommendation
from
the
staff
coming
to
you
for
approval.
We've
done
a
lot
in
reaching
out
to
the
neighborhood
two
neighborhood
meetings
and,
admittedly,
in
both
meetings
there
were
pros
and
cons,
but
we
did
reach
out
and
I
think
you'll
hear
probably
from
both
sides
of
that
issue
here
this
evening.
The
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
this
is
bringing
to
the
area
a
new
design
subdivision
with
fresh
Landscaping.
The
streets
are
City
standard.
S
You
can
park
on
both
sides
of
the
street
two
car
garages
parking
in
the
driveway.
This
is
a
real
subdivision,
it's
admittedly
on
lots
that
are
smaller
than
our
neighbors,
but
when
you
take
the
density
as
a
whole
and
could
factor
into
the
land,
that's
being
deeded
to
the
city,
it
gets
to
be
pretty
close
to
the
same.
Questions
have
come
up
that
have
been
answered
by
the
staff
with
respect
to
traffic.
S
Your
traffic
department,
along
with
our
traffic
study,
has
indicated
that
these
48
homes
are
not
going
to
move
the
dial
on
any
additional
traffic
congestion
or
need
I
should
say
need
to
rehabilitate
or
improve
roadways
and
traffic
signals
can't
go
here
on
Warner,
for
the
reasons
mentioned
by
staff.
Parking
people
were
concerned
about
parking
I've
already
explained:
there's
plenty
of
parking
on
the
site
on
the
streets
in
the
driveways
in
the
garages.
S
Landscaping
fresh
new
Landscaping
will
agree
and
did
tell
the
neighbors
that
we
would
not
allow
our
construction
trucks
during
construction
to
come
through
the
County
Properties
to
our
West.
So
you
may
hear
from
folks
that
live
in
the
county
this
evening.
We've
agreed
to
that,
and
we
also
understand
and
came
to
the
conclusion
the
other
night
in
a
neighborhood
meeting.
This
project
will
not
touch
interfere
with
or
do
anything
with
the
irrigation
system
that
lies
to
the
the
owners
to
our
West.
S
So
we
don't
want
to
touch
that
or
impede
the
delivery
of
that
water
in
any
way.
So
again,
thank
you
to
everyone
for
the
hard
work
getting
here
today.
We
urge
your
recommendation
of
approval.
We
agree
with
all
the
stipulations
and
conditions,
including
the
one
that
was
just
added
in
the
presentation
from
the
staff,
so
with
that
Mr
chairman
I'll,
be
quite
unless
there
are
any
questions.
D
Absolutely
absolutely.
Thank
you
absolutely.
Thank
you.
Okay,
so
we're
calling
the
speakers.
These
are
no
particular
order
than
the
way
they
came
to
me
from
staff.
Michael
Barron
wish
to
speak
on
the
item.
Michael
Bear.
If
you
can
come
up
state
your
name
and
address
to
the
record,
please
you
have
three
minutes.
The
light
will
start
with
green
it'll,
go
to
yellow
with
about
30
seconds
ago
and
then
red.
You
just
need
to
finish
up
please
so.
F
Good
evening
my
name
is
Michael
Barron,
my
wife,
Karen
and
I
own
property
directly
across
the
street
on
Baltimore,
and
we
are
here
to
say
that
we
fully
support
the
project.
We
have
seen
the
other
project
that
came
forward
and
we
were
hopeful
then-
and
this
is
a
far
superior
project-
we
we're
both
full-time
real
estate
agents.
We
know
K
hoopnanians
product
or
familiar
with
the
the
Builder.
We
have
no
affiliation
with
them.
We
just
wholeheartedly
endorse
this.
F
N
D
You
appreciate
it:
okay,
Valerie
looks
like
milkov
does
not
want
to
speak,
but
is
an
opposition
of
the
project
prefer
something
other
than
gravel
and
the
retention
basin,
one
of
the
landscape
with
plant
life,
so
staff?
Could
you
address
the
the
retention
area?
The
big
one
is
just
going
to
be:
graveled
they'll
be
Landscaping
on
the
street
or
not.
O
D
But
the
longest
streetscape,
when
you're
driving
down
you'll,
be
it'll,
be
landscape.
Great!
Thank
you.
Okay,
okay,
next
person,
Roy
Pinkerton
wish
to
speak
on
the
item.
If
you
come
up
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record,
you
come
up
to
the
dice
state,
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
Mr
Pinkerton,
and
you
have
three
minutes.
B
B
B
K
T
Hi,
my
name
is
Scott
Mullins
I
live
at
2317,
West
Mesquite,
Street
I
do
oppose
this
project
on
a
number
of
reasons.
One
that's
already
been
touched
on
is
traffic.
There
is
going
to
be
a
problem
at
Bull,
Moose
and
Warner
because,
like
they
said,
Bull
Moose
is
offset
when
it
hits
Warner
and
staggered.
So
you
can't
put
a
light
there
or
anything
like
that.
T
T
T
These
houses
that
are
being
proposed
are
going
to
be
50
percent
larger
than
that
on
a
lot.
That's
four
thousand
square
feet.
It's
it's
a
lot
higher
density.
It
doesn't
really
fit
in
with
the
plan
of
orange
tree
in
general,
plus
there
aren't
any
two-story
buildings
in
orange
tree
and
I.
Don't
really
see
that
anybody's
going
to
build
a
second
floor,
Edition
on
there
and
parking
as
far
as
parking
is
concerned.
T
I
know
they
offer
two-car
garage
and
spaces
in
the
driveway
for
two
more
cars,
but
they
basically
said
that
they're
gonna
make
sure
that
everyone
parks
in
their
garage
and
I,
don't
know
that
you
can
really
enforce
that
and
it
doesn't
seem
like
there's
going
to
be
adequate
parking
for
it
and
when
they
were
going
through
the
plans
in
previous
meetings,
it
didn't
seem
like
they
were.
Really
the
streets
were
wide
enough
to
even
park
on
the
the
street
in
front
of
your
house
really
and
have
like
an
emergency
vehicle.
P
D
U
U
You
obviously
have
a
relationship
with
the
attorney
from
Pew
law,
because
when
he
walked
in,
he
had
a
little
joke
with
each
other
another
indication
of
what
I
consider
to
be
collusion
with
a
non-constituent,
and
if
even
one
constituent
opposes
this,
it
should
not
go
through
also
Rick
and
I'm
not
trying
to
beat
you
up
here
but
trying
to
add
in
well
really,
if
you
consider
all
of
the
property,
the
density
is
not
that
high
well
they're
not
allowed
to
consider
that
property
for
their
density.
So
why
did
you
bring
that
up
again?
U
Okay,
it's
wrong:
it
doesn't
com,
it
doesn't
fit
with
the
neighborhood,
it's
I
believe
in
free
enterprise
and
and
except
there's,
no
such
thing
in
America
anymore,
because
of
all
the
regulations.
But
capitalism
is
a
wonderful
thing,
but
not
at
the
expense
of
this
neighborhood.
The
only
reason
that
the
number
is
48
is
because
that's
the
absolute
largest
number
they
can
squeeze
in
here.
U
Okay,
if,
if
you
change
the
zoning,
the
other
thing
is
when
we
showed
the
the
page
with
all
the
parks
around
here,
we
didn't
show
the
size
of
the
park
that
this
is
going
to
have.
You
know
why,
because
it's
minuscule,
the
original
Park
for
the
orange
tree
was
supposed
to
be
that
whole
area.
The
other
thing
nobody
seems
to
understand
is
I
have
seen
that
property
irrigated,
so
that
Canal
is
also
property
of
the
landowner
and
to
abandon
it.
U
U
D
You,
sir
sir
I'm
just
going
to
address
one
thing
accusing
me
of
conclusion,
with
an
attorney
I've
been
on
this
diet
for
many
years,
and
most
learning
attorneys
will
tell
you
that
I
put
against
a
lot
of
their
projects
and
I
voted
for
some
of
the
projects.
So
I
appreciate
your
comments
in
terms
of
density.
Things
like
that.
But
to
accuse
this
diet
or
myself
of
conclusion
I
think
is
very
irrelevant,
so
yeah,
okay,
the
next
speaker,
I,
have
is
Denise
Campanella.
If
you
want
to
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
V
V
V
V
The
second
exit
now
has
been
opened
up
for
more
cars
to
come
out.
You
know
to
be
able
to
exit
the
development,
the
density
along
Warner
Road
in
the
early
mornings,
when
people
are
going
to
work,
I
used
to
take
that
route
to
go
to
work.
I
went
I
left
my
home
just
depending
on
what
my
schedule
was
for
the
day
anytime,
between
5
a.m
and
8
o'clock
and
I
can
tell
you
that
there
were
times
that
I
would
have
to
sit
for
almost
five
minutes.
Waiting
for
the
traffic
to
come
down.
V
Warner
and
I
have
seen
the
traffic
to
get
onto
the
101,
backed
up
as
far
as
the
school
for
the
deaf
okay,
which
is
the
the
develop
the
building
to
the
west
of
this
property
in
in
the
early
morning.
So
all
that
traffic
tonight,
because
I
was
here
for
the
early
part
of
the
meeting.
We
learned
that
there
is
a
another
potential
pad
development,
one
quarter
mile
south
of
Warner
and
Dobson
with
a
hundred
I
thought.
Maybe
it
was
110
properties.
V
Any
of
those
people
are
going
to
come
the
quarter
of
a
mile
up
to
the
turn
at
Warner
and
to
come
on
over
to
the
101
as
well.
So
the
density
along
Warner
is
going
to
be
incredible
between
the
48
homes
here
and
the
110
that
are
just
one
quarter
mile
south
of
Warner.
That
is,
that
is
my
concern.
I
drove
down
Bull
Moose
today,
Bull
Moose
is
25
mile
an
hour
speed
limit
on
on
bull
moves.
The
person
behind
me
was
in
my
trunk
and
I
glanced
at
my
speed.
V
V
V
D
W
W
X
My
name
is
Kenneth
marks,
2533
West,
El,
Alba,
Way
I'm
in
the
county
portion
of
it,
and
there
were
two
things:
I
wanted
to
talk
about.
I
started
off
wanting
to
talk
about
traffic
only,
but
the
issue
I'm
glad
the
commissioner
brought
up
the
issue
of
the
dry
Wells,
because
that
points
out
something
too
the
retention
Basin
not
only
has
to
be
of
a
size
to
contain
the
water
during
a
certain
storm,
but
it
has
to
get
rid
of
it
in
a
certain
period
of
time
too,
and
that's
what
the
drywalls
are
for.
X
X
X
So
in
a
nutshell,
that's
my
concern
that
we
get
shortcutting
traffic
coming
through
there.
If
that
intersection
of
bull
moose
gets
worse,
which
I
believe
it
will
and
in
terms
of
the
development
itself,
I
think
the
applicants
have
good
reputations,
I
think
they've
been
around
a
while
I
think
they've
been
responsive
to
the
questions
that
we've
had
and
I.
Don't
have
any
problem
with
that,
but
they're.
These
two
issues
are
issues
that
I
would
appreciate
you
folks,
looking
at
okay.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
D
D
N
D
Y
Y
Y
If
there's
going
to
be
enough
interest
in
a
wall
high
enough
that
we
don't
have
people
from
the
park,
we
don't
have
people
from
the
other
area
coming
over
into
our
area,
we're
beginning
to
not
us,
but
this
the
church
has
begun
to
have
some
campers
there
and
I.
Don't
want
them
to
be
more
interested
in
coming
down
those
canals.
Y
We
also
have
animals.
We
have
chickens
stolen.
We
have
a
lot
of
issues
with
people
coming
over,
so
the
project
is
probably
going
to
be.
Okay.
I
am
also
concerned
about
traffic,
but
it's
just
going
to
have
to
work
out
somehow
we're
worried
about
El
Abba,
because
it's
a
very
small
street
with
wise.
We
have
a
lot
of
joggers
a
lot
of
kids,
a
lot
of
people
riding
horses
up
and
down
the
street,
so
we
would
and
that's
early
in
the
morning.
Y
They
do
that
so
we're
a
little
concerned
about
the
problems
that
will
ensue
from
people
wanting
to
come
down.
Al-Aba
go
across,
go
out,
91st
or
come
in.
So
that's
just
my
concerns.
I
hope
the
developer
will
also
get
back
to
us
on
a
wall
there,
because
we
don't
want
to
be
liable
for
people
falling
in
the
ditch
or
climbing
over
a
five
foot
high
fence
into
the
dish.
So
thank
you
for
your
consideration
on
this.
D
Y
D
To
dress
the
campers
just
you
know,
we
have
a
department
in
our
city
that
you
have
that
situation
come
up,
feel
free
to
call
it's
Leah,
Powell's
office,
I,
don't
know
the
phone
number
or
anything,
but
staff
can
get
that
for
you.
So
when
you
do
have
that,
we
do
have
issues
around
the
city
where,
where
I.
B
D
D
You
thank
you,
okay.
Is
there
anybody
else
in
the
audience?
That's
all
the
speaker
cards
I.
Have
anybody
else
in
the
audience
want
to
address
this
issue?
Okay,
I
have
somebody
in
the
back
there.
If
you
want
to
come
up
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record,
it'd
be
great
and
make
sure
I
don't
miss
anybody.
C
Hi,
my
name
is
Noel
Coates
I
live
on
Marlborough,
Estates
off
91st,
so
I'm,
just
south
of
Elliott
north
of
the
property
you're
talking
about
just
a
couple
things
that
came
up.
We
are
prop
we
are
in
County
property,
so
our
property
has
backed
up
to
the
new
development.
That's
on
price
I!
Don't
know
if
you
know
it's
a
rental
department
development
that
you
guys
approved
couple
years
ago.
That's
finally
completed
lots
of
water
used
to
build
homes.
C
We
were
amazed
at
how
much
water
is
used
to
to
build
homes
to
address
the
the
water
issue
that
came
up.
We
are
concerned
about
traffic
on
91st,
because
already
people
from
south
of
us
across
91st
that
live
south
of
Mesquite
come
through
our
neighborhood.
They
don't
follow
the
speed
limit,
a
lot
of
there's
no
sidewalks.
So
if
you're
walking
riding
your
bike,
your
kids
are
out.
There's
no
there.
C
You
really
have
to
pay
attention
and
some
people
don't
because
we've
dealt
with
this
property,
that's
being
built,
they
don't
take
care
of
the
ditch
I
believe
they're
supposed
to
when
they
were
building
that
property
they're
the
diggers.
The
heavy
equipment
came
right
up
to
the
ditch.
They
didn't
pay
attention,
there's
a
lot
of
cracks
in
it,
and
now
it's
all
over
ground
and
I'm.
C
A
matter
of
fact,
I'm
totally
surprised
that
the
city
of
Chandler
hasn't
notified
the
residents
in
that
area
that
the
ditch
needs
to
be
taken
care
of,
because
we've
got
we've,
we've
got
the
that
part
new
property
and
then
the
condo
property,
and
then
the
the
nursing
home
that
are
there.
So
none
of
them
use
the
ditch.
C
D
Thank
you
to
staff
on
a
couple
things
ma'am
on
the
on
the
water
on
the
just
so
you're
aware
when
you
build
the
the
Maricopa
County
has
very
strict
rules
about
dust
control.
So
that's
why
there's
a
lot
of
water
used
just
to
keep
the
dust
down
just
to
be
aware
of
that
staff
on
the
ditch
issue,
I
think
we're
talking
about
the
Reed
Porter
project,
I'm,
guessing
on
on
Price
Road.
Will
you
get
with
our
our
you
guys?
Take
a
look
at
that.
D
Make
sure
that
if
they
damage
that
that's
fixed,
it
should
be
their
responsibility
and
also
on
parking.
That's
a
rental
that
they're
supposed
to
be
responsible
keeping
their
parking
on
their
site.
So
if
you
could
take
a
look
at
that
as
well,
the
speed
thing
is
the
speed
thing's,
a
problem
in
every
neighborhood
in
every
city,
all
through
Chandler
that
and
your
91st
streets
in
the
county.
So
it
have
to
be
the
sheriff's
department.
D
But
if
it's
even
in
in
the
orange
tree
neighborhood-
and
you
have
problems
with
speeder
is
the
best
thing
to
do-
is
get
a
hold
of
the
beat
Sergeant.
It's
a
problem.
Throughout
City
people
think
they
35
or
45
doesn't
mean
35
or
45.
It
means
60.
so,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
comments
and
we'll
have
staff.
Take
a
look
at
some
of
those
things
you
brought
up,
though,
so
thank
you.
Anybody
else,
Mr
Pugh,
if
you'd
like
then
to
any
rebuttal,
or
are
you
good?
D
M
Yeah
I'll
go
first
and
dress
some,
so
some
of
you
may
know
this
I
am
new
to
Planning
and
Zoning,
but
I
did
serve
I
just
finished
up
my
eight
years
on
the
Chandler
city
council.
So
there's
a
few
things
in
here,
too
wanna.
You
know
elaborate
more
on
some
here
on
the
dice
and
maybe
some
afterwards
so
I'll
address
water.
First
again,
a
lot
of
concerns
were
brought
up
about
water.
I
can
talk
to
you
a
lot
afterwards,
but
Chandler
is
good
with
water.
M
When
we
talk
about
the
growth,
this
is
all
planned
for.
We've
got
100
Year
water
assured
water
supply
for
Chandler.
So
all
of
this
at
100,
build
up
is
part
of
that
calculation.
So
our
growth
is
already
built
into
that
plus.
We
have
I,
think
it's
15
above
and
beyond.
Even
at
100,
Year
build
out
so
Water
Wise
were
good,
but
we
always
have
concerns.
So
if
you
want
to
learn
more
about
it
on
how
Chandler
deals
with
it,
I
can
speak
with
you
afterwards.
M
Traffic,
as
chair,
said
about
speeding
in
and
we
all
deal
with
it,
especially
around
schools.
There's
also
a
way
not
just
counting
to
police
BB
contact,
Channel
Tropic,
they
can
set
up
traffic
counters,
so
they
can
see
speeding,
they
can
see
counts,
and
this
is
how
a
lot
of
studies
are
done
to
determine
whether
stop
signs
and
or
street
lights
or
other
things
would
be,
I
need
to
altered
in
order
to
alter
traffic
flow.
M
So
if
you
do
feel,
there's
a
lot
again,
a
big
problem
with
the
Speaking
of
boldness,
please
contact
our
traffic
department
and
they
can
get
some
meters
out
there
and
start
tracking.
That
and
I
think
it
does
speed.
Also
look
for
staff
nods.
If
I
don't
know,
if
it
does
speeding
it
done.
No,
it
does
count
but
I'm,
seeing
nods
that
they
also
do
check
speed
so
and
then
that
way,
if
the
numbers
are
bad
in
one
of
our
neighborhoods
by
an
elementary
school
is
real
bad.
M
We
want
to
posting
a
police
officer
there
consistently
so
that
it
kind
of
slowed
the
traffic
down,
so
one
there
and
I
don't
know
if
the
applicant
will
not
answer
this
or
or
somebody
from
staff
on
the
traffic.
Also,
timing
of
the
study-
my
assumption
is
that,
since
it
was
again,
this
was
different
than
all
the
other
previously
proposed
recommendations
are
for
the
for
the
build
out
here,
because
those
were
larger
units
I
think
there
was
more
count
higher
count.
M
Q
Chairman,
commissioner,
yes,
so
not
only
do
we,
we
had
a
reporters
group
submit
a
traffic
impact
analysis.
We
had
this
group
submit
one
as
well,
we
don't
simply
take
their
accounts
and
then
their
estimations,
our
traffic
engineered
then
looks
at.
We
we've
been
counting
that
I
think
we've
recently
counted
that
road
as
well,
and
so
she
goes
and
looks
at
what
they
said.
Q
M
You
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
had
up-to-date
study
and
then
irrigation
ditch.
You
know
we
talked
about
maintenance
and
again
I.
Remember
some
previous
ones
that
come
through.
Are
you
anyone
who
owns
the
ditch,
who
maintains
the
ditch
again?
This
seems
to
be
out
of
the
purview
of
this
case,
so
ditch
is
supposed
to
be
maintained,
as
it
was
from
previous
owners.
Nothing
City
and
and
the
the
applicant
are
doing
nothing
to
maintain
or
modify
the
ditch.
Is
that
correct?
M
Okay?
So
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
so
as
it
was
yesterday,
it
is
to
be
tomorrow
with
the
ditch
okay
last
bit
again,
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
coming
out.
We
had
some
Pro
some
against
I,
try
to
tell
this
to
other
people
that
do
come
and
spend
take
time
out
of
your
own
day
to
come
out
and
deal
with
city
government.
So
I
understand
it
can
be
frustrating,
but
we
do
listen.
Everybody
on
the
diocese.
M
M
We
may
not
agree
with
you
on
on
where
it
may
end
up
or
what
in
what
side
of
the
fence
it
may
land,
but
don't
please
don't
take
it
as
we
are
not
listening
and
we
don't
care,
but
that
we
are
having
to
evaluate
it
from
different
perspectives
as
a
whole
and
as
part
of
that
again
we're
just
a
recommending
body
to
the
council.
The
staff
recommends
to
us.
We
recommend
to
the
council
and
again
this
all
ends
with
the
city
council.
M
M
That's
why
I
made
it
I,
have
it
on
presentation
right
now,
so
this
is
yeah.
So
I
move
for
approval
of
the
rezoning
preliminary
development
plan
and
predominantly
plot
of
plh22-0018
and
pl222-0017
honeysuckle
trail
located
at
the
northwest
corner
of
Warner
Road
and
bull
news
Drive,
approximately
one
half
mile
west
west
of
Dobson
Road,
okay,.
D
D
This
is,
we
are
just
recommending
body
number
one
I
I
do
want
to
commend
the
applicant
and
staff
I
mean
this
has
been
a
long
process.
This
is
an
eyesore
in
the
area.
You
know
the
challenges
and
you
know
on
traffic.
As
we
build
out
our
city
I've
been
here
50
years.
You
know
when
there
was
no
traffic
I
moved
into
I
lived
in
heatherbrook
north
of
you
guys
back
in
the
80s,
when
there
was
wasn't
a
lot
of
traffic.
It's
unfortunate
that
people
want
to
live
in
Phoenix,
I.
D
D
We
have
another
flood,
you
know
we
could
have
homes
being
damaged
and
things
like
that.
So
the
reason
I
asked
the
question
about
Charter
Schools,
Charter
Schools
could
buy
this
property
and
there's
not
much.
We
could
do,
and
if
you
go
by
some
of
the
charter
schools
around
the
city,
you
want
to
see
traffic.
It's
insane.
So
I
think
this
is
a
good
use.
I
think
the
Builder
has
done
a
good
job
working
with
us.
This
is
not
something
that
happened.
D
The
meetings,
the
two
meetings
versus
one
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
Duane's
in
the
audience.
I
know
he's
been
in
every
commission
meeting
and
council
meeting
forever
working
on
this.
To
make
it
a
better
thing:
it's
and
we're
not
always
going
to
agree
on
stuff.
There's
give
us
and
takes
on
all
this
kind
of
stuff,
but
I
do
support
the
project
so
with
that
I'll
share.
N
P
D
Second,
okay,
with
that
right:
okay,
cool,
City
attorney.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
that
any
other
comments.
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
project,
say
aye
aye
aye.
Any
opposed
motion
carries
financially
again
we're
recommending
body
to
the
city
council.
Let's
go
staff.
One
is
this
going
to
council.
D
Q
Couple
things
chairs,
so
one
of
the
residents
had
brought
up
homeless
and
there
is
actually
a
a
hotline
on
the
city's
website.
We've
got
a
fantastic
Community
Navigator
group,
led
by
Missy,
geffsison
and
they're
great,
at
linking
people
experiencing
homelessness
with
the
services
needed
to
get
out
of
that
just
wanted
to
out
to
the
public.
What
the
phone
number
is.
So
it's
480-782-4302
is
that
Chandler
cares
line,
I
mean
that
will,
if
you
see
somebody,
if
you
see
a
group,
you
see
something
that's
the
number
to
call
and
then
they're
on
it.
Q
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
I'm
in
the
the
second
thing,
I
want
to
mention
a
lot
of
people
know
and
some
people
don't,
but
in
the
audience
tonight
we've
got
Derek
Horn
and
tonight
is
actually
going
to
be
his
last
pz
meeting
here
as
our
director.
Since
we
have,
we
won't
be
having
the
next
pz
meeting
before
he
formally
retires
from
the
city
of
Chandler,
so
he
was
a
development
services
director
for
five
years.
Q
We've
had
the
pleasure
working
with
him
for
five
years
when
he
entered,
we
didn't
have
anything
regarding
historic
preservation
and
in
that
time
he
created
the
historic
preservation
ordinance
and
he
had
the
two
items
that
went
on
the
on
the
agenda
tonight
that
went
for
the
agenda
item
that
went
for
tonight.
So
I
just
wanted
to
recognize.
Derek.
Thank
him
for
five
years.