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A
So
welcome
everyone
to
our
chaos.
App
ecosystem
working
group
today
is
august
23,
and
the
first
item
you
want
to
talk
about
is
the
work
that
we
started
before
alison
had
prepared
a
slide
deck,
taking
the
questions
and
metrics
goal,
questions
metrics
that
we
created
for
event,
organizers
and
our
goal
is
to
think
about.
What's
the
better
way
to
present
this
work,
because
if
we
go
to
our
app
ecosystem
repository,
we
have
the
event
organizers
document
and
for
someone
who
is
organizing
events,
just
digging
through
all
of
this
is
really
that's
at
least
the
feedback.
A
B
Sure
I
guess
I
can
for
the
recording's
sake,
so
I
guess
the
idea
behind
it
was
having
a
recording
or
a
different
layout.
So
it's
easier
to
share
and
easier
to
sort
of
make
into
a
template
for
other
communities
or
other
companies
later
on.
Also
something
that's
easily
able
to.
You
know
change
the
layout
very
quickly
put
in
any
sort
of
numbers
that
you
want
to
put
in
and.
C
B
Yeah,
it's
been
my
sort
of
theme
this
year
is
no
text
documents
possible.
A
A
C
So
I'm
colored
by
my
experience
in
other
chaos
working
groups.
My
first
reaction
is
that
I
would
expect
to
see
all
of
these
metrics
ultimately
developed
formally
as
chaos
metrics
on
an
individual
basis,
and
so
the
goal
like
retaining
attracting
contributors
is
a
goal.
And
then
you
have
these
different
questions,
and
I
can't
remember
like
I
I
it's
length
of
time
of
the
time
since
first
contribution
time.
Since
last
contribution
I
mean
yeah.
These
are
these
are
like
all
the
metrics
are
measurable.
C
I
haven't,
and
I
haven't
seen
other
working
groups
package
them
this
way,
and
this
does
help
me
understand
a
lot
of
contextual
relationships
between
these
metrics,
which
is
probably
what
leads
your
group
to
discuss
like,
for
example,
this
question
slide
might
be
a
model
in
your
vernacular.
Is
that
accurate?
Am
I
tracking
correctly.
A
Yeah,
I
don't
think
we've
used
the
term
model
and
I
think,
where
you're
headed
with
modeling,
we
can
talk
about
the
this
as
well,
because
it
goes
into
a
slightly
different
direction
from
what
we
had
been
talking.
C
C
A
A
Yeah-
and
so
we
have
spoken
with
the
with
the
kde
academy,
organizers
with
the
gnome,
guadac,
organizers
and
allison,
is
also
part
of
that
conversation.
D
A
C
D
A
So
I
I
think
this
format
makes
sense.
Now
we
can
add
colors
and
pictures
to
make
it
more
fun
to
look
at
that's.
What's
in
my
my
head,
because
the
content
is
there,
at
least
for
me,
it
makes
sense.
C
B
B
I
didn't
find
any
sort
of
weak
spots
or
blank
spots
that
I
could
think
of
off
the
top
of
my
head.
So
I
think,
with
what
work
was
put
in
last
month,
it's
come
together
quite
nicely.
C
I
mean
I
think
this
is
a
highly
it's
very
accessible
doc.
To
your
point,
I
mean
it
serves
the
exact
purpose
that
gear
described
this
is
I
mean
you
can
present
it
in
exactly
that
way.
I
think
you
know
to
people
who,
and
they
might
be
interesting
to
have
you
know
it's
what's
interesting,
is
the
engage.
You
know
some
of
these
metrics
like
engaging
new
contributors.
These
are
a
really
keen
interest
to
other
working
groups
like
dei
and
chaos
badging
program.
C
C
And
here
I
see
a
nice
mix
of
those
two
different
kinds
of
things
which
is
and
again
I
do
like
I'll
repeat
myself.
I
do
like
that
they're
put
together
in
these
collections,
we'll
call
them
collections
yeah,
because
gear
gear
kind
of
introduced,
the
larger
efforts
of
this
group
to
the
chaos
community
meeting
a
little
bit
earlier,
and
there
was
a
suggestion.
Have
you
told
everybody
this
history.
B
I
guess
I
guess
a
lot
of
like
coming
from
the
event
organizer
standpoint.
These
definitely
are
not
typical
metrics
that
you
would
find.
I
mean
these
are
things
that
all
event
organizers
talk
about,
but
they're
not
easily
obtainable,
and
you
have
to
actually
put
some
effort
into
getting
the
information
you're
looking
for,
which
makes
them
that
much
better
of
metrics,
and
I
think,
when
a
large
enough
group
starts
to
use
matrix
like
this,
it
will
start
to
slowly
become
standard
practice
after
time.
C
C
If
once
events
start
producing
these
kinds
of
metrics
for
themselves,
other
events
will
want
the
same
thing.
D
B
A
B
Of
those
edits,
took
out
duplications
and
and
and
not
irrelevant
things,
but
things
that
were
less
relevant
or
sort
of
reworded
to
be
something
else.
C
A
Yeah,
so
I
think
what
remains
to
be
done,
we
don't,
I
don't
think
we'll
do
it
today,
is
to
go
through
the
other
comments
and
notes
that
we
had
make
sure
that
we
address
all
of
those
and
then
I
think
we
are
ready
for
releasing
version
two
of
the
metrics.
A
C
So
I
so
I
based
on
some
of
the
discussions
in
the
larger
community.
I
added
the
second
item
to
your
agenda
during
another
kiosk
working
group
meeting,
because
there's
another
chaos
working
group
that
is
looking
to
like
we
have
a
thing
that
we
want
to
measure.
That
looks
more
like
what
you
have
here,
where
it's
composed
of
a
number
of
different
metrics.
Some
of
them
may
already
exist.
Some
of
them
may
not.
A
Yeah
and
we
so
so
for
more
more
background
there,
one
of
the
things
that
we've
talked
about
for
a
long
time
is
how
do
we
bring
metrics
together
in
new
and
different
ways
and
having
metrics
models
that
that's
the
word.
I
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
metric
models
are.
So
that's
something
we
can
discuss
here
so.
C
It
came
out
of
the
I
can
give
you
a
little.
History
came
out
of
the
asia-pacific
working
group
and
it
is
essentially,
I
think,
the
same
concept
as
what
you're
showing
me
in
this
template,
where
it's
showing
you
what
metrics
are
commonly
grouped
together
to
answer
a
question.
C
A
A
And
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
conversations
that
we
had
on
the
weekly
chaos
call
is
whether
this
metrics
models,
conversation
or
grouping
metrics
together
to
get
deeper
insights
that
go
beyond
individual
metrics
is
something
that
we
want
to
do
here
as
part
of
the
app
ecosystem
working
group
or
if
there
are
ways
that
we
have
thought
about.
Metrics
in
that
other
working
groups
haven't
thought
about
in
that
way
like
with
the
slide
deck.
That
is
something
that
is
unique
to
this
working
group.
No
other
working
group
has
done
that
before.
C
And
I
think
what
was
very
useful
about
the
way
that
you
organize
things
is
that
before
you've
built,
metrics,
you've
painted
the
larger
picture,
and
I
I
think
to
some
extent
the
rest
of
the
working
groups
do
that
through
the
spreadsheet
that
is
shared.
But
I
don't
know
if
it's
as
effective
as
actually
I
I
mean.
I
really
really
like
the
fact
that
you've
talked
through
like
a
collection
of
metrics
and
what
questions
the
answer
can
kind
of
organize
them
again.
Like
a
list
of
use
cases,
I
think
that's
very
helpful,
like
it's.
D
I
I
I
find
that
interesting
inspiration,
because
I
thought
that's
how
the
other
chaos
working
closer,
because
gear
has
set
this
thing
from
the
very
beginning
of
how
we
organize
this.
So
I
just
assumed
that
that
was
this
was
the
current
working
model.
Everyone
else
follows:
I
haven't
looked
at
the
other
working
group,
so
I.
C
D
Yeah
and
I
think
the
other
unique
thing
is
because
it's
an
app
ecosystems,
there
are
two
non-profits
desktop
projects
working
in
concert,
and
so
each
of
them
have
the
same
goal,
but
their
implementation
is
is
unique
to
that
right,
right
right,
so
doing
all
these
from
a
higher
level,
because
we
can.
D
A
So
for
for
background,
sean,
if
it
is
of
interest
to
taking
this
back
or
replicating
this
kind
of
work,
the
approach
we
have
taken
is
to
say:
hey.
We
have
profiles,
we
have
different
people
who
want
to
understand
our
app
ecosystem
and
these
people
or
these
profiles,
or
where
do
we
have
personas?
A
So
we
identified
who
are
the
people
that
would
look
at
metrics
because
we
wanted
to
build
a
set
of
metrics
that
are
targeting
specific
answers
or
specific
use
cases,
and
then
we
went
through
an
exercise.
I
think
we
did
this
first
actually
of
goals
and
questions.
What
do
we
want
to
understand
and
why
and
then
in
a
second
exercise
after
we
had
who
is
doing
that
looking
and
what
do
they
want
to
know?
A
A
A
You
know,
persona
and
really
dug
in
what
do
they
want
to
do
right
before
we
then
dove
into
what
are
the
metrics,
and
we
did
that
for
two
that
next
step,
one
is
the
event
organizers,
which
is
this
gigantic.
A
D
A
D
C
So
one
I
mean,
I
think,
from
the
perspective
of
this
group.
Is
it
your
hope
to
develop
chaos
metrics
from
these
models,
or
I
can
also
see
a
case
that
that
a
lot
of
the
work
that
you've
done
might
be
work
that
you
could
sort
of
divvy
up
across
some
of
the
other
existing
working
groups
like
providing
a
larger
context
for
some
of
the
metrics
that
are
being
developed,
and
I
think
what
you
do
next
is
or
how
you
involve
or
don't
involve.
C
Other
working
groups
is
entirely
obviously
this
group's
choice,
but
if
you
don't
want
to
develop
metrics,
there
may
be
cast
working
groups
that
do
you
have
to
take
some
of
this
work
and
build
actual
metrics,
and
really
the
only
difference
is
it.
It
gets
a
little
bit
deeper
and
sort
of
into
the.
How
do
we
interpret
it?
A
Yep,
and-
and
at
least
this
is
my
perspective
on
on
this
group-
and
everyone
else
is
welcome
to
share
their
perspective
as
well.
I
think
our
focus
here
is
really
about
that
high
level
picture
of
how
do
we
draw
data
together
and
get
meaningful
insights
and
not
so
much
on
the?
How
do
we
define
the
metric?
How
do
we
get
the
data,
and
so
partnering
with
other
working
groups?
I
think,
is
an
excellent
idea
to
get
that,
get
that
standardization
or
that
level
of
quality
into
the
metric.
C
Well-
and
it
may
be
the
case
that
you
don't-
this
group
doesn't
feel
they
even
necessarily
need
that,
like
just
having
this
list
of
things
that
that
can
be
asked,
and
you
can
go
about
starting
to
measure,
especially
for
things
like
that
really
aren't
like
metric
time
since
first
contribution
for
event
attendees
I
mean
I
think
there
you're
talking
about
cross-referencing
a
lot
of
data,
and
you
know
we
might
not
be
able
to
define
that
metric
until
we
actually
try
to
do
it
for
an
event.
C
A
C
Maybe
maybe
the
gnome
and
group
does,
I
don't
know.
A
D
A
Been
a
data
collection
effort
and
we
have
been
defining
metrics
and
helping
like
events
or
communities
or
companies
that
want
to
have
metrics
with
here
are
tools
and
metrics
and
here's
a
language
to
talk
about
all
this.
We
have
not
collected
the
metrics
or
centralized
it
or
compared.
I
know
sean
has
done
some
work
through
the
auger
project
and
helping
with
the
metric
collection
as
a
way
of
basically
prototyping
metrics.
B
C
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
gramor
lab
does
something
similar.
We
underlying
things
that
we
show
people
are
chaos
metrics,
but
they're,
presented
in
collections
that
are
more
descriptive
and
useful
than
looking
at
70,
discrete
metrics.
C
B
C
A
B
C
I
think
this,
the
powerpoint
deck
is,
you
know
a
way
of
working
kind
of
from
the
top
down
instead
of
the
bottom
up
is,
I
think,
would
be
very
useful
to
the
group
like.
I
think
that
group
would
benefit
from
seeing
this
like
it's
something
that
I
would
intend
to
share
with
them.
A
A
Yeah
you'll
be
able
to
join
tomorrow
to
help
present,
because
you
have
a
lot
more
of
the
background
of
how
we
went
about
this.
What
the
history
was.
C
C
C
C
So
I
would
I
mean
I
would
say
you
know,
as
this
group
moves
on,
if
there
are
metrics
that
you
would
like
to
see
develop
that
you
don't
want
to
develop
yourself,
georg,
maybe
you
can
help
map
to
a
working
group
that
could
take
some
of
them
on.
C
D
D
A
I
know
one
of
the
conversations
that
we
will
be
having
is
for
the
coordinator
across
different
projects.
I
think
that's
what
we
call
them
coordinator
cross
projects,
where
we
have
a
lot
of
goals
that
tie
back
into
the
metrics
that
are
already
defined
around
commits
and
dependencies
and
whatnot,
and
so
I
think,
once
we
have
this
conversation,
there
will
be
a
lot
of
tie
back
to
the
metrics
right
now.
We
just
have
event
activity,
organizers,
so
yeah.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
create
a
map
between
what
metrics,
like
chaos
level
defined
metrics.
B
C
Characteristics
of
events,
though
so
it
doesn't
cover
everything
that
is
here
and
ultimately
that
I
think
what's
covered
here,
would
advance
other
goals
of
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
like
knowing
that
we
get
more
diverse
participants
and
events
and
that
we
have
those
people
stick
around
as
contributors
to
projects.
I
think
that
would
be
very
important.
A
Yeah,
I
think
it
would
also
be
good
to
then
include
that
in
the
badging
process,
for,
for
example,
if
we
have
how
long
do
new
people
who
attend
events
stay
with
the
community,
make
that
one
of
the
badging
requirements
that
event
organizers
think
about
how
they
are
going
to
collect
it.
They
don't
have
to
collect
exactly
how
we
say
we
can
provide
that
as
a
guidance
but
say:
hey
are
you
thinking
about?
A
B
A
A
C
C
I
appreciate
you
spending
so
much
time.
Helping
me
understand
what
you've
already
accomplished.