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A
Morning
so
welcome
everyone
to
our
chaos.
App
ecosystem
working
group
meeting
today
is
march
8..
Everyone
already
added
themselves
to
the
meeting
minutes
except
myself,
you're
all
much
better
role
models,
excellent.
A
A
B
I
have
I've
talked
to
alison
as
I
as,
if
you
see
there,
it
says,
make
sure
to
involve
alison
because
she's
like
an
event
organizer
working
for
kde
and
she's,
also
involved
in
glass
that
we're
doing
together
with
dom
so
she
has
the
let's
say,
big
big
figure
on
these
things.
So
I've
talked
to
her
and
I
asked
her
actually
earlier
today
and
she
told
me
she
took
a
look.
B
B
A
Post
awesome,
thank
you
for
that
update.
I
think
all
the
other
action
items
we
have
taken
care
of.
We
are
on
track,
we're
doing
good,
shree
you
and
I
we
had
a
conversation
on
matrix
a
month
ago,
almost
about
what
we
wanted
to
do
in
this
work
group.
C
A
We
were
thinking
about
metrics.
That
would
be
useful
for
the
board,
and
what
we
had
talked
about
here
in
this
group
is
that
we
wanted
to
do
the
promotions
communications
team,
but
if
there
is
work
currently
being
done
for
metrics
on
board
for
the
board
members,
then
the
idea
was
to
maybe
pivot
towards
that
to
get
synergies
with
the
work
that
you're
doing
for
the
gnome
board.
Anyway,.
D
Right
and
so
I
think,
if
you
look
on
the
matrix
channel,
I
had
posted
a
couple
of
links
to
the
scalable
onboarding,
which
had
a
couple
documents
that
I
worked
on.
So
one
of
one
of
them
was
when
we
were
when
we
looked
at
the
organization
right,
it's
sort
of
like.
I
think
there
was
definitely
this
idea.
Is
nobody
really
knows
what
all
the
rules
are
or
what
people
are
doing?
I
mean
there's
no
label
to
decide
what.
D
Right
and
putting
them
under
certain
buckets
which
we
would
need
for
metrics,
and
so
we
had
gone
through
and
sort
of
started
off
with
what
all
the
roles
that
kind
of
put
them
at
with
at
certain
levels.
Right
engineering,
outreach,
finance:
you
know
almost
like
a
company
right
and
then
other
than
we.
We
put
these
roles
and
meet
them,
and
then
we
did
a
a.
D
How
did
they
all
interact
with
each
other,
so
we
did
an
interaction
map
between
them
so
that,
because
one
of
the
things
that
was
interesting
was
nobody
really
knew
how
our
release
came
together
like
who
talked
to
who
and
things
like
that,
there
was
nothing
really
to
inform
how
to
do
that,
and
it
just
sort
of
naturally
happened.
I
guess
but,
but
so
we
wanted
to
figure.
So
if
you're,
a
newcomer
I
mean
part
of
this-
is
if
you're
somebody
who's
new
to
the
project.
D
You
have
no
idea
how
the
project
works,
so
the
idea
is
to
be
able
to
kind
of
say,
okay,
this
is
what
happens
in
a
release,
or
this
is
what
happens
forever.
So
that's
the
first
part
of
it
and
and
for
the
board
work.
There's
a
finance
part
like
what
and
and
that's
something
the
board
has
to
kind
of
fill
out
like
what
what
do
they?
What
metrics
do
they
need
to
drive
decisions?
A
A
So
no,
and
I
feel
like
that
something
you
checked
before
I
guess
my
question
was
we
as
the
app
ecosystem
working
group.
If
we
can
support
you
in
that.
D
D
Right
right,
yeah,
and
so
I
mean,
if
you
could
look
at
that
and
see
I
I
I
did
some
other
work
that
took
that
into
account,
which
I
can't
remember,
I'm
sorry,
but
I
I'll
I'll
dig
up
the
document
where
I
looked
at
some
measurements
there
that
we
did
early
last
year.
A
B
A
D
D
I
guess
there's
some
value
to
completing
this,
because
we
don't
know
how
hard
something
is.
If
you,
you
know
what
I'm
saying
like
we've
got
the
promotion
part,
but.
C
D
D
C
A
A
Okay,
then
then,
let's
stick
to
it.
I
think
you
have
a
good
point
shari.
If
there's
no
big
need
for
us
to
help
you
right
now,
then
I'm
happy
to
finish
the
promotions
communications
team
that
we
start
on
and
then
tackle
the
harder
board
metrics
later.
D
C
C
C
I'm
going
to
add
this
link
into
the
main
document
under
the
right
to
the
not
not
to
the
pivot
thing,
the
for
the
one
you
guys
just
the
last
name
for
perfect.
A
Yep
so
we
started
with
this
and
as
a
refresher,
we
went
through
the
structure
we
wanted
to
do,
which
is
goal.
A
I
have
clearly
defined
goal
of
what
the
promotions
communications
team
wants
to
accomplish,
which
now
that
I
read
this
want
to
know
the
health
of
the
community.
Yes,
but
why
maybe
we
should
find
the
goal
more.
What
it
is
that
they
actually
want
to
do
then
have
a
question:
how
many
contributions
do
we
retain
or
lose
as
a
way
to
answer
or
to
inform
the
goal,
or
are
we
on
track
and
then
the
metrics
and
actually
collecting
the
data?
So
that's
what
we
started.
A
C
A
A
E
E
Are
well
because
I'm
all
bundled
up
yeah
I
mean
it's
actually
not
that
bad.
It
has
been
pretty
mild
weather.
I
like
to
say
that
I
brought
a
california
sunshine
with
me,
so
not
too
bad
yeah.
I
will
try
to
find
it
actually
do
you
all
have
a
link
to
the
doc
andy.
E
A
Thank
you.
No
zoom
chat
just
always
ephemeral,
forgetful
or
punishing
latecomers.
A
A
So
we
were
just
about
to
get
started,
so
we
haven't
done
anything
yet
today,
noritzi,
so
you
joined
just
in
time
for
the
work
to
start.
Oh,
my
god,.
A
We
want
to
know
the
health
of
the
community
sounded
sean
put
it
kind
of
broad,
like
everyone
wants
to
know
the
help
of
the
community,
but
it's
not
a
specific
goal
that
the
promotions
communications
team
has
like.
If
we
were
to
build
the
objective
key
results,
okr
kind
of
thing,
then
knowing
the
health
of
the
community
is
not
really
the
goal
that
they
have.
C
And
I
do
think
that
the
promotions
and
communications
are.
C
Maybe
more
outwards
folks
facing
than
what
we're
seeing
with
these
goals.
Isn't
you
know
they
want
to
know
something
along
the
lines
of
the
adoption
rate
or
how
well
that
the
communications
are
resonating
with
people
and
driving
particular
actions,
and
some
of
that
might
come
back
to
the
community.
I
mean
you
grow
your
user
base
to
grow
your
contributor
base
to
an
extent
right,
but
I
feel,
like
people
doing
promotions
are
maybe
more
concerned
with.
C
Increasing
what
you
wouldn't
consider
to
be
your
core
community.
E
Yeah
makes
sense,
and
I
see
at
the
bottom,
we
have
goal
x-
understand
reach
of
communication,
which
seems
like
the
thing
that
we
identified.
E
Yeah,
it
seems
like,
then,
we're
defining
this
persona
as
more
of
like
our
typical
marketing
team,
with
goals
that
they
have
around,
maybe
even
like
conversions
and
things
like
that
of
creating
pipeline.
But
the
pipeline
is
like
contributions
instead
of
like.
E
E
And
coincidentally,
I'm
going
to
be
taking
a
course
on
coursera
called
the
introduction
to
marketing,
so
maybe
at
in
some
weeks
I'll
be.
A
C
E
D
It's
I
haven't
been:
I'm
have
been
shanghaied
into
both
marketing
and
sales,
so
yeah.
A
A
E
Do
partly
the
thought
leadership
component
is
that
yes,.
D
A
E
I
wonder
if
there's
well,
no,
I
guess
around
recruit
new
contributors.
What
I
meant
is
like
be
seen
as
an
inclusive
community,
but
that
might
just
be
a.
E
B
B
A
A
So
now
that
we
that
we
have
this,
I
think
this
craft,
a
brand
for
the
community,
is
more
where
gold
five
comes
in.
You
want
to
craft
the
brand
of
the
community
and
to
do
that
for
raising
the
awareness
of
being
seen
as
an
inclusive
community.
We
need
to
know
what
the
community
actually
looks
like,
so
we
can
communicate
those
numbers.
A
A
D
B
C
C
D
C
B
D
But
what
about
how?
I
don't
want
to
use
the
word
efficient
but
like
even
if
you
had
a
small
number
but
they're
active
contributors
and
that's
much
more
healthy
than
say
you
know
a
huge
population
but
nobody's
doing
any
work
right.
So
it's
always
you
know
like
that's.
That's
that's
a
hell
like
yes
producing
is,
is
is
good.
B
Maybe
sustainable
yes
in
terms
of
developmental,
yes,.
A
A
Okay,
I
think
we
are.
We
all
agree
on
healthy
being
this
vague
thing
that
can
mean
any
of
these
many
different
things,
so
I'm
okay
with
leaving
it
at
that,
since
we
don't
have
to
define,
define
it
like
I
had
to
for
my
phd
in
my
phd,
I
defined
it
as
the
potential
for
community
to
continue
producing
quality
software
and
yeah.
All
of
these
things
I
somehow
fit
underneath
that
definition.
E
One
question
that
I
have
so
we
have
gold
build
a
project
brand
as
an
inclusive
and
healthy
community,
and
I
wonder
if
those
are,
if
we
need
to
break
it
out
further,
because
I
think
that
having
a
strong
brand
that
people
recognize
like
that's
a
goal
and
then
there's
like
the
inclusive
part
to
it.
I
don't
know.
E
A
A
A
D
But
in
that
time
frame,
when
we've
asked
for
help
when
it
comes
to,
you
know
like
the
groupon
or
some
of
these
others
there's
an
overwhelming
commuting
response
in
defense,
meaning
people
are
able
to
differentiate
the
project
and
you
know
what
it
represents
to
some
extent
at
least
from
appearing
a
free
software.
D
C
It's
a
really
good
question
actually,
and
I
think
I
think
gnome
makes
for
an
interesting
case
study
on
that
in
that
it's
one
of
those
projects.
That's
it's
so
visible
that
it's
that
it's
very
easy
to
pick
on.
You
know
and
it
does
make
opinionated
choices
in
its
designs
and
stuff,
and
so
those
things
are
are
easy
to
jump
in
and
and
have
an
internet
flame
more
about.
C
And
yet,
as
you
say,
you
know,
there's
the
project
continues
and
and
there's
an
outpouring
of
support
when
it's
needed,
and
so
I
wonder
like
to
what
extent
to
what
extent
is
reddit
amplifying
negative
voices
beyond
what
actual
hard
metrics
would
show,
and
I
think
that
that's
something
that
that
we
should
be
looking
at
getting
to
the
bottom
of
like
like
reddit,
is
not
a
representation
of
the
actual
right
support
right
so
and
if
you
just
read,
read
it
you're
going
to
have
a
very
different
picture
of
like
the
image
of
your
brand.
D
B
D
I
I
think
online
communities
have
a
a
different
sku
when
it
comes
to
brands
and
products
than
you
know
in
the
physical
physical
world,
mostly
because
of
how
quickly
information
and
misinformation
gets
propagated
within
these
communities.
You
know
the
the
rates
of
those
rates
are
much
faster
and
so
people
form
opinions
or
or
find
a
very,
very
opinionated
feelings.
Much
quicker.
E
Yeah,
I
I
love
this
and
I
wonder
if
this
is
a
question
more
broadly
about
which
channels
amplify
or
like
are
most
important
to
us,
because
it's
like
reddit
has
tends
to
be
very
heavy
on
development,
so
like
for
our
community.
That
creates
a
lot
of
impact.
What
are
other
channels
like?
It's
not
instagram,
most
likely,
you
know.
How
can
we
amplify
our
effects?
D
D
Communities
look
at
us
and
judge
us
or
so
forth,
and-
and
so
that's
a
that's
another,
I
think
a
more
accurate
data
point
I
guess
to
some
extent
I
I
still
feel
that
there's
a
general
general
at
least
like
from
a
grand
perspective
that
there's
a
there's
somewhat
negative
feelings
there.
So
just
from
I
get
along
on
a
lot
about
my
open
source
groups,
so
I
generally
get
a
sort
of
a
shrug
or
anything.
E
E
I'm
not
quite
sure,
but
I
think
that's
part
of
what
this
question
is
getting
at
is
like
reddit
tends
to
be
negative
or
whatever,
but
like.
How
do
we
actually
measure
that
and
so
that
we
can
then
combat
it.
C
Right
yeah
yeah,
like
get
real
like
I
I
have
a
sense
of
like
you
know.
The
reddit
perception
is
skewed
one
way,
but
that's
a
gut
feeling
and
is
it
skewed
and
more
importantly,
how
much
is
it
skewed
then
yeah,
I
don't
have
data
and
I
don't
even
know
how
to
get
that
data.
I
guess
that's
why
we're
in
this
zoom
meeting
so.
D
I
I
I
do
find
so.
I've
been
working
with
the
with
the
wow
electron
people
right.
I've
been
trying
to
get
it
on
there
so
that
we
could
get
them
more
involved
in
in
the
ecosystem,
and
I've
noticed
that
I
get.
I
get
a
lot
of
negative
things
on
the
electron
community,
based
on
how
long,
sometimes
a
merge
request
gets
merged
like
like
the
amount
of
effort
it
takes
for,
say
something.
That's
already
agreed
upon.
D
D
E
Sorry
is
this:
getting
that
then,
like
building
a
brand,
is
inclusive
and
healthy,
you're,
saying
that
this
is
a
measure
of
that
like
how
long
the
mars
are
open.
D
It's
it's
when,
when
when
you're,
so
this
is
a
this
is
a
an
example
of
somebody
from
outside
the
community
going
in
and
and
taking
the
time
and
doing
something
and
then
not
not
following
through,
even
though
there's
been
no
objections
right.
So
if
it's
a
moment
of
you
know,
hey
this,
but
it's
like
we,
you
in
the
merger
class
state,
they
say:
oh,
we
like
this
name,
you
wanna
you
wanna
and
then
oh,
can
you
do
this
little
thing?
Okay,.
D
Oh
right,
yes,
I
guess
I'm
just
saying
okay,
so
if
we
were
to
take
the
higher
level,
it's
people's
awareness
of
a
brand
or
a
thing
comes
from
their
first
initial
yeah
through
through
these
kinds
of
things,
through
your
first
contribution
or
whatever.
So
I
guess,
if,
if
you
were
to
take
a
data
point.
C
D
E
Yeah,
so
to
me,
this
kind
of
bubbles
up
in
terms
of
like
testimonies
or
like
people's
ratings
of
your
community
yeah
and
how
that
factors
into
brand.
B
Now,
just
thinking
like
turn
this
into
some
sort
of
measurable
thing,
it's
how
you,
how
you,
let's
say,
track
first
impressions
of
your
interaction
with
a
project
or
a
community
in
general,
so
leaning.
B
E
What
I
had
mentioned
before
I'll
add
a
link
to
it
also,
but
I
don't
know
if
you've
heard
of
the
net
promoter
score,
where
it
kind
of
gets
at
customer
satisfaction.
It's
used
in
a
lot
of
like
customer
satisfaction
surveys,
but
it's
what
I
think
you're
getting
at
tree,
which
is
like
the
experience
that
you
have
with
this
product
or
community
or
whatever
it
is
affects
your
perception
of
it,
and
so
this
net
promoter
score
metric
is
a
way
to
measure
sentiment.
E
D
Right
so,
if
you're
able
to
create
an
approximation
or
even
use
the
net
promoter,
that
would
be
a
great
way
to
to
determine
brand
at
a
more
visceral
level.
Yeah.
E
So
it
might
be
worth
using
that
specifically
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
figure
out
like
what
sean
was
saying
like
we
have
a
gut
feeling
that
it's
negative,
but
you
know
how
do
we
actually
measure
that
I'm
sure
there
are
some
ways
like
one
how
many
times
we
end
up
on
like
the
front
page
of
some?
I
I'm
not
super
familiar
with
reddit,
but
you
know,
like
we
end
up
being
like
a
major
like
having
a
certain
amount
of
upvotes
or
down
votes,
or
things
like
that,
like
those
can
be
our
our
metrics.
C
I
think
it's
more
that
you
almost
need
a
like
a
machine
learning
sentiment
analysis
on
on,
like
what
people
are
saying.
You
know
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
how
to
quantify
that.
E
D
Interfere
well,
our
latest
metric,
like
at
least
in
engagement
on
this
arcanum,
is
it's
the
highest.
It's
been
for
a
long
for
quite
a
bit,
and
so
there
there
is
a
a
general
increase
in
participation
or
at
least
on
the
forum,
adventures,
who's
joined
and
whatnot,
and
I
I
think
I
talked
to
alicia,
I
think
or
paul,
and
I
I
think
he
sees
the
same
uptick
in
in
the
kde
forum.
D
So
I
I
think
we're
seeing
a
trajectory
of
much
more
engagement
and
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
that's
because
of
loss
or
whether
I
don't,
I
don't
know
any
of
that
stuff.
But
that's
that's
a
it's
an
interesting
data
point.
I
also
notice
less
engagement
in
our
linux,
meaning
it's
more
subject
matter,
driven
and
and
even
like
the
amount
of
posts
that
you
can
own.
Usually
in
the
old
days
like
two
three
years
ago,
there
would
be
a
gnome
post
every
other
day
and
then
there
would
be
a
400
comment.
D
Flamewar,
now
hardly
anything
now
in
the
past,
I've
noticed
it's
been
very,
very
quiet,
even
though
we're
having,
if
you
notice,
even
though
we're
putting
on
a
release
that
has
very
very
you
know,
like
large
large
changes
right
and
I
I
believe,
that's
because
sorry,
if
I'm
going
offside,
is
that
our
communications
in
for
this
release
is
has
been
way
higher
than
it
has
been
in
any
release
in
the
past,
in
terms
of,
and
that
has
changed
the
amount
of
dynamic
in
there,
because
people
are
seeing
changes
up
way
up
ahead
than
before,
and
I
think
everything
else
in
these
other
forums
is
a
is
a
react,
emotional
reaction
to
things
so.
E
D
A
D
Right:
okay,
no
worries
it's
a
good
point
to
stop,
but-
and
we
can
always
chitchat
on
the
chaos
thing.
If
you
wanna.
A
What
I
took
away
from
from
this
conversation
is
that
before
we
dive
into
the
metrics,
maybe
we
need
to
get
on
the
same
page
more.
What
does
it
actually
mean
to
be
a
promotions
communications
team
for
our
open
source
projects
and
to
share
some
experiences
we've
had
before?
We
then
go
into
how
do
we
actually
measure
the
things
that
we
care
about?
So
if
we
can
continue
that
conversation
in
two
weeks,
that
would
be
amazing.
D
Could
we
could
we
invite
like
paul
brown
and
some
from
kde
to
because
he's
been
doing
a
lot
of
promotions
and
I
I
feel
like
we
should
get
some
of
the
experts
here
who
who's
been
doing
the
you
know,
alan.
D
I
think
those
are
good
people
and
christy
to
to
really
do
that,
because
I
think
their
input
would
be
very
valuable
and
they
should
really
know
what
they're
up
to,
because
we're.
Essentially,
you
know
trying
to
measure
the
output
of
their
work
right.
So
I
think
it's
important
to
be
inclusive.