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From YouTube: CHAOSS Asia Pacific Community 1/12/22
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A
B
B
C
C
Okay,
all
right
so
tell
me
if
I
cut
out
again,
I
got
a
new
microphone
or
maybe
it's
not
so
great.
I
thought
it
would
be
great,
but
all
right
so
welcome
everybody,
and
I
thought
it
would
be
good
or
we
all
thought
it
would
be
good,
maybe
to
start
the
new
year
out
talking
about
what
we
want
to
accomplish
this
year.
C
C
C
C
B
Because
I'm
thinking
about
you
know
we
we
have
planned
after
chinese
new
year
I
mean
the
springfield
festival
we
will
hold.
We
will
hold
our
bi-weekly
meeting
in
in
chaos,
china.
B
So
what's
the
topic
we
are
going
to
choose
in
the
following
the
meeting,
I'm
thinking
about
it
in
the
last
zero
weeks,
so
I
haven't
had
the
time
to
discuss
with
you
guys
and
discuss
with
show
you,
but
here
I
put
I
I
pop
up
some
ideas
here.
B
Do
you
want
to
show
your
screen
or
no
okay?
I
have
not
really
messed
with,
but
just
talking
sorry,
very
good.
B
Because
I
have
in
the
last
week,
in
the
last
one
month,
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
to
reading
the
literatures
in
the
past,
who
related
to
the
open
source
community
health
and
how
to
marry
that
and
there's
different
different
kind
of
literatures
in
the
past
20
years
pop-up.
B
So
I
found
that
there
are
so
many
good
ideas
or
concept
trending
change
from
the
beginning
of
the
2010,
and
until
until
today,
that
the
focus
area
is
changing
and
especially
when,
when
the
corporations
engage
engaged
in
the
open
source
community,
so
I
would
like
to
share
the
little
ideas
coming
from
the
literatures
to
read
some
papers.
Research
results
to
share
some
results
with
with
the
people
who
attend
this
meeting,
it's
a
one
of
the
I
mean
the
fixed
point,
the
the
the
fixed
point
topic.
F
Yeah,
I
think
knowledge
sharing
is
really
a
good
format
for
the
meeting,
and
another
thing
I'm
thinking
about
is
things
matrix
model
is
one
of
the
the
important,
and
that
is
also
going
to
be
pushed
forward
in
chaos
and
also
like
personally
from
my
lab.
We
are
kind
of
publishing
the
github
report
for
2022
and
we
also
think
think
about
the
measurements
so
and
we
kind
of
there.
F
There
are
several
several
several
metrics
and
maybe
it's
more
appropriate
to
call
it
matrix
models
like
activity
like
influence
like
I
know
there
is
also
metrics
in
the
value
working
group
called
popularity,
and
these
are
what
we
maybe
I
think
is
more,
it's
more
appropriate
to
call
it
matrix
models,
and
this
is
maybe
I
know
it's
it's.
It's
not
easy.
F
Maybe
it's
even
not
so
feasible
in
one
year,
but
maybe
we
can
think
about
the
structure
of
the
whole
metric
whole
matrix
of
chaos
like
there
are
some.
There
are
some
metrics
that
just
reflect
the
attributes
of
the
data
it's
just
like
yeah.
Maybe
we
can
call
it
just
meta
metrics
like
fork
like
pull
requests,
and
but
it
doesn't
show
it
if
we
think
about
measurements
from
the
go
this
kind
of
matrix.
F
We
know
like
how
many
forks
during
a
certain
period,
it
can
help
us
to
make
decisions,
but
maybe
other
metrics
like
popularity
like
even
the
social
listening,
the
maybe
I
I'm
thinking
of.
Maybe
we
need
a
different
kind
of
heroic,
heroic,
heroic
like
the
structure
of
of
this
matrix,
and
we
we
were
thinking
about
like
contributing
some
of
the
matrix
matrix
or
metric
or
measurements
from
what
we
are
doing
in
our
lab
to
the
chaos
and
we
we
can
discuss
this
in
the
matrix
models
meetings.
C
F
Yeah
yeah,
we
are
still
working
on
that
yeah
yeah,
I
I
I
I
shared
the
report
of
last
year
to
the
chaos
blog
post
and
one
once
this
is
published.
I
will
sure
sure
share
that
again.
I
it's
pretty
much
similar
to
last
year.
B
Okay,
the
things
that
you
just
mentioned
about
matrix
model,
related
activity,
popularity
and
first
things
I
think
today
we're
doing-
will
pop
up
some
some
practice
use
the
those
matrix
in
their
in
her
community.
I
mean
the
open
ola
community
so
later
on.
Maybe
she
can
pop
up
his
practice
in
the
community
about
these
thinkings.
G
F
Yeah,
okay,
I'll
just
continue
about
matrix
models.
Another
perspective,
I
was
thinking-
and
I
I
remember
this-
was
once
popped
up
on
the
chaos
manual
list,
but
maybe
we
we
haven't
progressed.
I
have
no
progress
on
that.
Yet
is
looking
from
the
community
structure
from
the
graph
perspective
and
I
think
yeah
that's
one
of
the
things.
Maybe
we
can
look
into
yeah.
B
F
Yeah,
I
just
think
maybe
we
can,
because
the
online
collaboration
in
open
source
is
kind
of
like
a
social
network.
So
we
can
really
use
a
graph
to
represent
the
structure
of
the
community.
But
I
haven't
think
that
very
clear,
but
maybe
it's
more
appropriate
to
be
compiled
as
a
matrix
model.
But
I
think
using
graph
as
a
perspective
to
describe
or
to
measure
a
community
is
one
way
we
can
look
into.
C
B
Oh,
by
the
way
have
you
have,
you
finished
the
show
yeah
yeah.
B
B
C
I
I
G
B
Okay.
We
can,
we
can,
we
can
think
about
it,
because,
because
I
think
we
can
go
hold
up
at
least
two
mid-top
this
year,
first
half
year
and
and
then
the
next
half
year.
B
Do
you
have
any
ideas
june
about
our
extra
percent.
H
Flow,
I
I
thought
they
tried
to
propose
some
modules.
Like
a
recombinant
model,
you
come
down
to
student,
to
some
other,
to
recommend
that
maybe
recommend
the
deploy
developer
like
this.
Do
we
have
to
put
put
this
recommended
model
or
some
other
you
need.
B
C
What
would
be
the
matrix
or
what
would
be
the
recommendations
that
you're
looking
for?
Is
it
like
a
recommender
system
for
suggesting.
H
The
goal-
maybe
maybe
we're
trying
to
try
to
find
some
people
to
work
with
work
with
them
to
finish
our
our
work
and
we
can
simply
to
find
which
one
is
the
more
popul
more
suitable
with
us.
C
H
B
Okay,
so
you
will
use
this
recommendation
system
to
find
out.
Who
is
the
you
know
the
most
active
students
and
who
are
super
interesting
on
on
the
job
in
the
community
or
work.
C
F
G
F
Like
super
busy,
we
we
we
we
we
we
we,
we
should
have
a
recording
this
actually
during
this
evening,
but
he
was
too
busy
so
well.
I
think
I
will
but
yeah,
I
think,
matrix
model
could
be
one
a
very
good
conversation,
but
I
don't
just
I
I
I
think
it
it
doesn't
have
to
be
show
up
so
early,
but
I
think
maybe
we
can
discuss
later,
that
we
can't
have
one
episode
about
matrix
mode
or
any
other
topics.
Yeah.
We
all
dream
are
interested.
F
But
another
another
episode
I
was
thinking,
but
I
I
still
trying
to
find
the
guests
to
talk
about
the
recently
news.
Faker.Js.
F
I'm
not
sure
if
yeah,
that
that
the
author
put
some
serious
bug
in
his
project,
and
I
think
this
is
a
problem
really
related
to
the
sustainable.
G
F
The
project
like
who
is
responsible
for
the
funding
of
of
open
source
maintainers
and
how
should
the
users,
especially
commercial
companies,
pay
for
this
open
source
components
whom
they
are
relying
relying
on.
B
Okay,
so
so
I
mean
you
want
to
pop
up
some
new
episodes
around
some
hot
topic
related
the
things
just
pop
up
from
the
from
open
source
communities.
News
like
the
recent.
G
F
B
B
I
think
fake
gs
is
the
just
example
for
that
we
can
discuss
a
little
bit
about
it
during
this
episode.
F
I
G
I
have
a
comment
here.
So
sorry,
I'm
sorry.
I
had
to
step
aside,
but
no
problem.
So
just
listening
to
you
talk
are
you
familiar
with?
Do
you
know,
dwayne
o'brien
from
indeed
so.
G
F
F
So
I
think
the
companies
have
there
is
they
have
the
need
it
doesn't
like.
They
don't
want
to
fund
those
open
source
components
or
projects,
but
they
really
need
to
identify
whom
they
should
or
worse
to
fund
off
and
how
many
money
they
they
sh.
They
should
they
should
put
into
it
and
how
to
give
them
the
money
and
maybe
there.
F
This
is
a
problem
related
to
mechanism
and
measurements
like
how
to
measure
the
value
of
the
project
and
the
maintainers
or
contributors
into
it,
and
and
distribute
money
to
them.
B
We
have
to
attend
these
communities
in
person,
because
because
you
you
you,
you
cannot
evaluate.
If
this
open
source
project
is
good
or
not
from
the
distance,
you
have
to
do
it
as
active
members
or
or
contributors
or
developers
in
these
communities.
The
our
first
purpose
to
do
the
options.
K
Something
else
that
is
interesting,
I
think,
is
that
I've
seen
open
source
projects
that
get
funded,
but
then
aren't
sure
what
to
do
with
that
money
or
the
best
way
to
spend
the
money.
So
that's
like
a
separate
piece,
obviously,
but
I
think
that's
also
ties
in
to
what
we're
talking
about
here.
F
So
that's
one
of
the
topic
I'm
thinking
of
and
arising
from
the
recently
figured
jazz
news.
F
Because,
like
everyone
was
talking
about,
companies
doesn't
want
to
pay
for
the
open
source
authors,
but
they
just
use
them
for
free
and
ask
for
even
the
services,
but
maybe
companies
some
some
companies
they
they
want
to
they.
They
want
to
donate
the
money,
but
they
really
don't
know
how
how
to
give
this
money
to
to
those
authors
and
give
h
how
much
like
like
how
much
money
that
they
need
or
worse
worth
off.
B
So
yeah,
I
think
in
in
china-
chaos
this
community.
I
mean
there
are
many
people
and
their
background
is
a
corporation.
It's
a
member
of
corporations
from
hospital.
Some
companies
are
hospital.
We
can
guide
those
people
together
to
to
hold
up
a
series
of
episodes
around
this
corporation
engagement
in
the
open
source
community
and
how
to
evaluate
the
health
of
the
open
source
community,
and
we
can
do
some
some
talks
on
that.
G
G
B
Yeah,
I
yes,
I
think,
has
already
got
a
lot
of
support
from
kyogre
when
they
said
when
she
set
up
the
the
chaos
cast
in
china.
So
we
will
keep
connecting
with
the
georg
around
this
and
also
about
the
whole
discussion
result.
B
G
Okay,
would
you
do
you
think
for
the
chaos
cast?
These
are
just
examples.
Would
you
need
like
editing
support,
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
do,
even
just
for
the
the
english
versions
of
the
chaos
cast,
you
know,
like
you,
have
your
podcast
that
you
put
together
and
what
is
talked
about
is
quite
different
than
actually
what
gets
published
online,
because
you
have
an
editor
help
you
to
improve,
look
make
it
sound
good,
make.
F
F
Yeah,
I
think
that's
something
I
can
talk
to
you
or
for.
B
B
Sure,
of
course,
okay,
I'm
thinking
about,
if
maybe
after
spring
festival,
we
I
can
fly
to
shanghai,
to
to
have
some
detailed
discussion
with
you,
so
yeah.
F
February
february,
1st,
that's.
F
C
Okay,
sorry,
okay
totally!
I
get
that
good
good,
putting
it
in
context
for
us
westerners
that
we
get.
A
Should
we
should
we
cancel
the
meeting?
Do
we
have
a
meeting
on.
G
H
B
Yeah,
I
also
just
pop
up
one
thing:
that's
about
the
translation
part
I
mean.
Of
course
we
should
continue
to
following
the
our
translation,
work
on
the
matrix
and
the
matrix
model,
and
also
we
are
thinking
of
that
in
the
matrix
on
the
web
page.
Could
we
add
some
chinese
washing
in
in
that
webpage
to
about
matrix
description
of
definitions,
because
we
already
have
that
version.
G
C
B
B
G
C
C
F
Maybe
if
it's
support
like
international,
I
18
and
office
whole
framework
website
framework.
C
It
probably
does,
or
there's
probably
a
plug-in
for
wordpress.
That
would
do
that.
I
I
just
think
my
question
is:
would
that
be
more
or
less
work
than
maintain?
You
know
we're
already
maintaining
the
translations
for
each
metric.
So
putting
a
button
in
here
I
think
probably
we
would
just
leverage
that
work
directly
and
I
don't
let.
G
I
G
G
Way
better
sense
of
what
can
be
done
because
he'll
be
the
one
doing
it.
Yes,
so
and
he's
the
one
that
maintains
all
of
this.
So
let
me
just
connect
with
him
and
then
maybe
in
two
weeks
I
could
ask
kevin
to
join
and
he
could
talk
through
a
couple
options.
B
Okay,
that's
all
for
myself,
oh
by
the
way
here
I
just
introduced
a
new
friend
here
called
trenchi.
He
just
joined
our
meeting
first
time.
Actually
he
just
drawn
the
chaos
community
this
week,
maybe
20
you
can.
You
can
say
hi
to
everyone.
B
G
G
I
C
It's
in
the
minutes
sean
at
the
bottom:
oh
okay,
there
we
go
boom
yeah.
I
wasn't
seeing
the
okay
clicking
a
link
in
this.
B
H
G
H
B
C
H
H
H
So
we're
trying
to
find
some
some
mess
to
we're,
trying
to
find
some
math
to
to
figure
out
the
active,
the
active
number
and
we
found
one
mess
about
critically.
H
H
Yeah,
this
mess
is
trying
to
get
one
number.
The
lumbar
range
zero,
two
one,
the
lumbar
range
is
zero
to
one,
and
we
can
say
we
can
say
it.
This
is
the
mass
and
the
active.
The
active
value
is
between
between
0
to
1
and
the
why
it
means
the
one
is.
It
means
not
active.
The
zero
value
means
not
the
active
and
the
ram
value
means
most
active.
H
Yeah,
just
this
table.
H
Yeah
yeah,
the
message
is,
we
use
this
table
to
to
figure
out
the
active
value
and
we
can
say
we
in
this
table.
We
have,
we
have
three
three.
We
have.
We
have
three
value.
The
first
is
parameters,
it
means
our
metric
and,
for
example,
we
have
a
poor
request
account
and
maybe
we
have
a
meeting
meeting
number.
H
The
second.
The
second
value
is
the
the
second
value
is
the
weight
where
ratios
means
how
much
on
the
matrix,
the
enemies
them
is.
The
weather
is
a
matrix
route
and,
for
example,
the
pro
the
pro
request
has
five
vietnamese
they
have.
B
Yeah,
it's
not
from
some
coding
models
designed
by
based
on
some
experiences.
It's
all
about
coming
from
calculated
business,
yeah.
J
H
C
But
I
might
suggest
for
that
pie
chart
that
you
include
the
top
10
sigs
in
the
pie,
chart
and
then
include
others,
so
that
people
can
have
a
sense
of
how
much
of
the
total
activity
in
the
91
cigs
is
in
those
10.
So
in
other
words
like
it
would
be
powerful
if
that,
if
those
10
constituted
like
50
or
more
of
all
the
activity
in
all
the
cigs.