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From YouTube: CHAOSS Asia-Pacific Community Call 11-17-21
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A
All
right,
so,
if
you
could
just
add
yourself
to
the
minutes,
it's
good
to
have
everybody
here.
We
have
a
pretty
light
agenda
today,
which
is
okay
hold
on.
A
So
I
think
I
was
the
only
thing
that
I
really
had
today
was
just
kind
of
keeping
people
connected
with,
what's
going
on
in
other
parts
of
the
chaos
project.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
discussing
is
the
developer
certificate
of
origin,
the
dco.
So
I
don't
know
how
familiar
you
are.
All
you
are
all
with
that.
So
in
github
it
requires
a
sign
off
for
pull
requests
where
you
include
your
name
on
your
email
address,
and
there
were
some
some
questions
around
whether
or
not
we
should
include
the
dco
or
not.
A
A
I
was
gonna
say
I
think
the
statement
just
says
everything
that
everything
that
you
submit
is
under
a
dco
to
your
github
profile.
D
D
A
A
I'll
double
check,
but
I
think
that's
the
hope.
I'm
pretty
sure
that
that's
when
so
ray
had
proposed
this.
D
B
You
are
correct,
so
the
statement
would
would
appear
in
the
readme
file
of
each
repository.
B
Yeah,
it's
just
I'm
not
sure.
If
we
we
are
making
those
statements
explicit
enough,
so
people
do
know
they
are
every
contribution.
Each
are
already
contained
a
dcl
just
not
just
if
people
don't
see
the
statement,
it's
yeah,
because
there
is
nothing.
Now
we
don't
have
such
a
explicit
method
to
agree
with
yeah.
A
Yeah,
no,
that's
that's
a
good
point.
I
wonder:
if
sean
do
you
know,
is
there
a
way
to
templatize
a
pull
request.
E
Yeah
I
mean
there
are
there's
actually
a
port
in
github.
There
is
a
way
to
create
a
pull
request
template.
I
know
we
have
issue
templates
and
I
I
know
there's
the
same
thing
available
for
pull
request
templates.
Yes,.
A
B
And
personally,
I
like
the
idea
that
we
don't
require
ever
to
to
have
a
detail.
Every
time
you
submit
a
pull
request,
because
personally,
as
I
used
to
be
a
newcomer
of
a
community-
and
I
have
no
idea
what
a
detail
is-
and
I
failed
my
pro
request
for
for
several
times
and
that
that
that
that
is-
that
was
a
barrier.
A
D
Yeah,
I
just
that's
the
one
ray
had
provided,
so
I
just
copy
that.
A
D
A
If
sean
could
get
the
template
figured
out,
and
then
we
put
that
the
example
statement
that
you
provided
elizabeth,
that
could
alleviate
reduce
our
barrier
and
also
address
shaya's
point
of
making
it
more
explicit
for
people
just
so
they
know
when
they're,
when
they're
making
a
polaroid
request.
Okay,
great,
thank
you
for
that.
Any
other
comments
on
the
deco.
A
All
right,
the
other
thing
that
has
been
coming
up
in
the
chaos
project
kind
of
at
large
and
show
you
I'm
glad
you're
on,
because
it
would
be
great
to
hear
some
of
your
thoughts
on
this
as
well.
So
one
of
the
the
things
that
we've
been
talking
about
is.
A
Welcoming
newcomers
and
how
we
go
about
doing
that
right
now
we
have
kind
of
statements
in
the
participate
page.
A
We
have
matt
cantu's
new
blog
post
elizabeth.
Can
you
help
me
out
here
tracking
down
some
of
these
things?
A
Either's,
fine,
okay
yep,
so
we
have
the
participate
page,
which
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
on
the
call
have
been
to.
But
it's
a
pretty
intense
page
there's
a
lot
going
on
in
the
participate
page.
It
lists
our
calendar.
It
has
a
link
out
to
the
slack
channel.
It
has
all
of
our
individual
meetings.
There's
just
a
lot
there's
just
a
lot
going
on.
A
Matt
cantu
has
a
blog
post
that
he
created,
which
is
this,
which
is
a
little
bit
more
deliberate,
just
didn't
like
it
just
kind
of
takes
the
participate
page
down
to
a
series
of
like
like
I
want
to
participate
in
a
meeting.
I
want
to
contribute
this.
Is
these
really
like
pragmatic
things,
which
is
everybody
seemed
to
like
that
in
the
meeting
yesterday,.
A
A
B
I
liked
it
I
like
yeah
how
it's
how
to
throw
as
questions
like,
like
a
user
user
stories,
about
how
I
want
to
get
involved.
A
D
A
D
That's
the
ultimate
goal
is
to
have
just
like
a
button
on
the
front
page
that
just
says
start
here,
and
then
that
would
go
to
this
to
that
page,
that
matt
drafted
up
and
that
would
kind
of
funnel
people
towards
what
they're
looking
for
specifically,
and
it
would
also
have
it
would
kind
of
be
like
the
hub.
So
it
would
have
links
to
all
these
things
and
as
well
as
the
join
community
form
and
just
kind
of
all
of
it.
A
A
A
B
B
Yeah
I
do
have,
but
it
seems
like
they
are
kind
of
won't
want
to
know
something
from
the
kiosk.
I
don't
I
don't
like
to
say
say
it,
but
yesterday
this
this,
this
man,
he
talked
to
me
and
he
said
he.
He
looked
at
the
chaos.
China,
like
the
wii
chat
account
and
we
had.
B
We
also
had
the
spy
weekly
meeting,
but
he
still
don't
know
what
chaos
was
doing
and
he
still
had
to
read
these
english
pages
and
that
really
make
me
yeah
upset
and-
and
I
I
will
send
the
the
slack
slack,
inviting
invite
link
on
to
people
who
want
to
know
chaos,
but
they
just
some
of
them
join
in
slack,
but
they
don't
stay
active,
but
they
just
kind
of
still
get.
They
are
still
used,
get
get
used
to
be
stay
active
in
the
wechat
group.
A
B
B
Yes,
yes,
I
think
if
he
just
want
to
read,
he
don't
want
to
read
any
english
at
all.
It's
really
difficult
to
really
get
involved
in
a
community.
I
mean
we
can
provide
a
chinese
context,
but
it
it's
difficult
to
make
everything
chinese.
D
I
was
just
gonna
say
it
might
make
sense
down
the
line
if
we
have
people
who
are
who
want
to
translate
a
page
like
this
into
different
languages.
I
think
would
be
great.
I
think
that
would
be
super
welcoming
to
show
that
you
know
this
is
a
big
community
and
it's
so
big
that
you
know
we.
D
We
have
this
page
in
chinese,
because
there
are
resources
that
are
specific
to
our
chinese
community
and
we
have
that
that
blurb
that
little
paragraph
on
the
participate
page,
but
it
might
be
nice
to
have
like
a
tailored.
Where
should
I
start
for
the
chinese
community?
Since
there
are
such
differences,
you
all
have
you
know,
meetings
and
the
wechat
accounts
and
all
of
those
things,
so
just
maybe
in
the
future.
If
we
have
somebody,
that's
passionate
about
doing
that.
I
think
that
would
be
great.
D
A
A
D
D
A
The
slack
channel
like
cuts
across
everything-
maybe
we
could-
I
don't
know
how
to
visualize
this,
but
think
about
it.
A
little
bit.
A
A
A
All
right
cool,
let's
see
just
a
few
housekeeping
things
I
just
had
just
the
spreadsheet,
so
the
metrics
tracking
spreadsheet
is
being
updated
just
a
little
bit
to
kind
of
honestly
just
be
a
little
bit
more
contemporary
with
the
way
we
do
work
in
2021
2022.
A
So
there
are
just
a
few
changes
there.
This
is
kind
of
where
we're
at
in
the
chaos
project
as
a
whole.
We
are
thinking
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
what
we
have
available
to
us
in
the
chaos
project
and
whether
or
not
it
is
contemporary
enough
to
live
in
2022.
a
lot
of
our
documentation.
A
lot
of
our
work
was
done
say
four
years
ago,
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it
continues
to
be
updated
accordingly.
E
A
Gotcha
yeah
and
I
mean
the
metrics
model
work.
I
would
say
that
was
actually
the
prompt
for
some
of
these
spreadsheet
changes
yeah,
as
well
as
our
own
reflection.
So
personally
I
think
2022
the
coming
year
is
going
to
be
a
year
to
kind
of
reflect
on
the
work
that
we've
done
and
just
make
sure
that
it's
it's
kind
of
up
to
speed
with
the
current
year.
I
don't
know
elizabeth
there
sean
do
you
have
more
comments
on
that.
A
Okay,
all
right
cool,
it's
just
like
anything
right
like
any
business
or
any
project
like
when
you
look
back
at
the
stuff
you
did
four
years
ago
sometimes
you're
like
oh,
that
needs
to
be
updated.
That's
a
little
bit
old
or
doesn't
read
quite
right.
So
I
think
that's
what
we're
starting
to
realize
in
the
chaos
project,
which
is
cool
that
we're
in
a
position
where
we
can
reflect
on
the
work
that
we've
done.
E
Awesome,
you
are
welcome,
so
I
I
put
in
the
notes.
I
solved
the
template
problem
and
it's
pretty
easy.
If
you
tell
me
the
text,
then
we
just
create
a
file
inside
each
repository
with
that
template
text
and
every
time
you
create
a
pull
request.
It
just
pulls
it
in.
Oh.
A
E
E
A
A
All
right
cool!
Thank
you
all
right
great.
This
is
a
the
next
comment
with
respect
to
metrics
reviews
was.
This
is
just
more
of
an
issue
around
translation.
So
as
we're
doing
this
review
that
we
just
talked
about
coming
in
2022,
one
of
the
things
we're
doing
is
we're
looking
at
our
metrics
that
were
produced
particularly
a
long
time
ago,
and
some
of
them
require
some
updates
again
just
because
the
text
is
old
or
the
context
has
changed
a
little
bit.
A
It
would
look
and
feel
a
lot
like
just
the
way
that
the
new
metrics
worked,
but
so
I
don't
think
the
volume
would
be
as
high,
certainly
for
the
for
any
release,
but
I
think
there
will
be
some
metrics
that
need
to
be
looked
at
from
a
translation
perspective
again,
if
that's
okay
with
folks
all
right
so
meeting
times
over
the
holidays.
Again,
this
is
still
kind
of
housekeeping.
A
We
are
okay,
so
elizabeth
you're
gonna
have
to
tell
me
if
I'm
right
or
wrong,
we
are
not
meeting
no
no
next
week.
We're
not
thanksgiving.
A
I
can
make
lots
of
lots
and
lots
of
cookies
all
right,
so
elizabeth
roshan
is
there
anything
else
that
you
want
to
bring
forward
from
a
community
update
perspective.
I
think
it's
always
nice
to
to
bring
these
connections
forward.
Anything
you
think
I
missed.
We've
been
talking
about.
E
That
is
slowly
getting
released,
and
we
also
have
a
lot
of
interesting
work
on
dependencies
in
the
risk
working
group
and
we're
working
towards
a
week
from
yesterday
having
a
metrics
model
to
demonstrate
with
code
using
auger
data
and
jupyter
notebook.
So
I
think
those
are
some
of
the
more
concrete
things
that
we're
doing
to
advance
the
models
and
the
software
part
of
auger,
which
I
think
helps
make
it
concrete
and
answer
the
question
your
manager
had.
A
Cool,
thank
you
sean
all
right,
all
right
we'd,
be.
A
A
B
Yeah
we
we
we
had,
we
also
had
had
amazing
editors,
I
think
yeah.
We
had
a
group
to
around
this
episode.
Maybe
one
thing
is:
if
we
want
to
because
the
the
episode
is
hosted
on
the
platform.
It's
not.
It's
rely
on
this
platform.
If
we
want
to-
because
I
know
chaos
cast
is
hosted
on
fireside
and
is
it's
like
independent,
more
independent
and
but
but
we
we
to
to
make
it
easy
more
easy
to
spreading
the
chinese
community.
We
because
chimalaya
it
can.
B
Is
it
easily
a
shirt
in
wechat?
So
almost
most
of
the
podcasts
we
use
are.
Are
we
similar
to
host
our
podcast,
but
but
if
we
want
to
one
last
focus
to
show
on
a
more
in
independent
web
page,
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
do
that.
B
Yes,
but
but
if
we
also
release
them
on
the
same
kills
cast
page,
maybe
people
will
get
confused
like
clicking
to
an
episode
but
listen
to
the
wrong
language.
They
don't
ex.
They
don't
expect.
B
A
A
A
D
A
at
the
navigation
bar
where
you
how
you
got
to
that
page
where
it
was
like.
A
D
D
Site
we
could
do
like
a
sub
one.
That
said
podcast
one
minute,
one
for
english
and
one
for
chinese
and
then
just
point
right
or.
A
D
B
Yes,
actually,
I
don't,
I
think
it's
also
okay,
to
just
link
to
the
page
of
shimala.
If
we
are,
we
all
think
this
is
because
I
I
don't
have
particular
like
requirements
for
the
the
page
of
of
it.
It's
just
how
we,
how
we
want
to
make
it,
because,
personally,
if
we
want
this
episode
to
spread
a
spread
in
china,
I
I
suppose
shimada
is
enough,
because
it
can
also
provide
the
rss
link
for
people
who
want
to
listen
it
on.
Maybe
the
the
apple
podcast.
A
A
D
Yeah
I
was
going
to
do
that.
I
wasn't
sure
how
what
the
reach
would
be,
but
I'm
more
than
happy
to
do
that.
Yeah.
A
A
A
A
A
Thank
you!
That's
wonderful,
yeah
and
thanks
to
sean,
I
think
sean
and
elizabeth
yeah.
D
C
And
in
china,
and
then
we
chat,
we
chat
public.
Also
just
translate
my
translate
to
this
dog.
B
Official
accounts
we
had,
we
had
that
one
for
chaos,
but
yes,
we
we
translate
this
this
article
in
chinese
and
it's
it's
not
not
not
not
published
through
kia
switch
chat,
official
account,
but
other
official
account,
but
this
is
this
is
called.
B
Promoted
through
the
through
wechat,
because
it's
a
strange
phenomenon
that,
like
everything,
have
to
be
promoted
through
a
chat,
the
social
media
is
highly
relied
on.
This
app.
A
A
A
A
Right
all
right,
maybe
the
last
thing
for
today
there
was
somebody
added
this
I
didn't.
I.
C
Use
I
just
made
a
problem.
The
problem
is,
I
I
just
want
to
use
one
metric,
but
I
I
have
some
problem.
A
C
A
E
A
C
We
can
put
all
this
number
in
the
dashboard.
Maybe
we
we
know
how
many,
how
many
books,
how
many
folks
per
one
day,
we
know
how
many
issues
we
know
how
many
contributors
we.
B
C
C
A
I
think
it's
like
like,
if
you
put
all
these
things
into
a
dashboard
right
right.
E
E
E
New
developers,
quick
active,
took
actions
on
pull
requests.
Things
like
that
love
was
some
of
the
community
responsiveness
kinds
of
activity,
metrics
that
we
talk
about
now
and
then
love
was
people
using
the
software.
E
Which
is
that's
harder
to
get
at,
but
you
can
you
can
look
at
clones
downloads
things
like
that
and-
and
I
think,
with
some
of
these
metric
models,
if
you're
really
trying
to
get
a
project
popularity,
I
think
that
heat
light
love
as
a
way
of
popularity
has
dimensions
that
relate
to
developers,
investment
from
a
community
or
a
set
of
companies
or
just
flat-out
use
right.
So
there's
the
consumer,
the
creator
and
the
sponsor
that
all
contribute
to.
E
E
Yeah,
I
do
I
know
I
have
I
have
I
have
screenshots
of
it
somewhere.
I
just
have
to
dig
them
up.
Okay,
I
don't
have
them
at
the
ready
which
I
should
because
it
was
a
really
cool
dashboard.
E
E
A
Yeah
and
it's
okay-
I
mean,
if
you
can
make
it
that's
great.
I
was
just
thinking
as
the
metric
resides
there
and
I
think
I
understand
your
concern
that
just
simply
bringing
together
these
kind
of
smaller
metrics
is,
you
can
do
this,
but
it's
not
clear
what
the
combination
of
them
means
with
respect
to
understanding
popularity.
A
C
Yeah,
okay,
just
just
one
question
and
I
I
saw
all
the
metrics
I
I
just
found
out:
there
are
small
metric
about
the
math,
just
yeah
that
do
we
consider
about
some
some
mess
or
just
because
we
don't
need
it.
So
we
we
not
use
it
use
some
of
the
mess
or
just
we
don't
consider
it.
B
Dreams
point
I
think,
maybe
it's.
I
always
get
this
kind
of
feedback.
That
chaos
has
many
metrics,
like
we
discussed
in
yesterday
on
the
podcast
that
people
are
a
little
overwhelmed
and
still
don't
know
how
to
use
this
metric,
and
maybe
some
maybe
june's
point
is
if
there
are
metrics
that
makes
things
computable,
that
we
can
calculate
and
give
a
number
about
like
healthy,
unhealthy
or
stop
healthy.
B
Yeah
james
points
is
why
we
don't
have
some
like
algorithm
and
models
to
calculate
give
some
kind
of
results
that
people
can
just
take
and
use,
and
oh
yeah.
A
A
E
I
think
it
includes
a
lot
of
metric.
I
mean
it
it
like
walks
like
it
in
the
amer,
the
american
idiom.
Is
it
if
it
walks
like
a
duck
and
talks
like
a
duck,
it's
a
duck
and
which
means
that
it
really
has
all
the
characteristics
of
a
metrics
model.
I
think,
and
that
gives
us
a
sort
of
a
wider
range
of
expressing
each
of
these
discrete
metrics
in
a
composite
way.
B
Yes,
I
know
this
is
a
difficult,
difficult
problem
and
I
I
I
don't.
I
don't
know
how
to
it's
complicated
that
some
some
some
in
some
situation,
that
people
what
what
people
want
is
a
result
and
but
bring
out.
These
perspectives
are
really
important
and
it's
hard
to
give
a
really
give
a
result,
because
things
are
different
under
different
situations.
B
So
still
the
problem
is:
how
do
we
use
this
matrix
and
it's
not
just
project
the
the
metric
project
popularity.
I
mean
some
this,
like
popularity.
This
kind
of
metric
under
value
working
group
are
more
composite,
but
we
also
have
more
automatic,
not
automatic
metric
like
more
like
an
autumn
more
in
a
smaller,
smaller
kind
of
dimension
like
issue.
B
Pr,
like
pr
response
time
is
just
like
one.
One
dimension
you
need
to
look
at,
but
popularity
is
a
com,
composite
thing
that
you
need
to
look
at
many
dimensions
and
used
to
not
sure
are
you
which
very
very
variables
you
need
to
select
and
what
kind
of
and
how
you
can
calculate
the.
Maybe
you
can
calculate
how
popular
your
project
is.
B
These
are
the
feedbacks
and
discussions
where
I
I
I
I
received,
and
I
I
also
me
myself
had
this
kind
of
concern,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
I
made
I
made
this
clear.
It's
just,
I
think
the
metric
the
whole
all
these
metrics
we
have
we,
maybe
we
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
let
to
make
them
can
be
well
applied.
A
A
A
You
know
some
of
these
are
deployable
from
trace
data
because
I
think
that's
sort
of
what
june
is
looking
for.
Like
you
know,
maybe
some
of
these
component
parts
are
not
things
that
that
are
going
to
be
looked
at
so
say,
social
media
mentions
I'm
just
making
up
job
postings
and
people
attending
events,
but
from
trace
data
we
can
get
eighty
percent
of
what
constitutes
this
metrics
model
and
I'm
wondering
if
in
the
metrics
model
sean
it
would
make
sense.
You
know
as
we're
adding
like
these
deployments.
E
E
A
A
C
C
I
will
work
with
the
for
this
on
match
model
and
put
more
on
details
and
maybe
put
more
details
to
this
discuss
this.
Yes,.
A
E
Just
drop:
do
you
have
a
picture
of
it?
Let's
drop
it
in
here
I
have.
I
have
a
link
to
the
live
version.
They've
modified
it
and
they've
made
it
more.
They
have
taken
some
of
the
consolidated
perspectives
on
heat,
light
and
love
out,
and
so
I
have
somewhere
a
fork
of
it
before
they
did
that.
So
I
will
sean
will
find
the
original
fork.
E
Which
is
what
remy
and
I
presented
that
was.
I
wanted
chaos
2019
in
brussels.