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From YouTube: CHAOSS Asia-Pacific Community Call 4/20/22
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A
And
it's
good
to
have
you
here.
This
is
the
april
20th
asia,
pacific
chaos,
community
call,
and
we
have
a
few
things
on
the
agenda
today.
I
think
one
is
we'd
really
like
to
talk
about
a
metric
model,
so
I
think
that's
is
that
correct?
I
think
that's
the
hope
today.
So
I
have
a
few
housekeeping
things
that
I
just
like
to
talk
about
before
we
get
to
that
and
so
first
of
all
metrics
release,
it
happened.
A
So
congratulations
to
everybody.
Here's
a
link
to
the
to
the
chinese
translated
version,
the
pdf
right
there.
So
thank
you.
Everybody,
of
course,
for
the
huge
amount
of
effort
that
goes
into
this.
This
is
great
and
I
I'd
like
to
say
you
know,
thanks
to
obviously
everybody
on
this
call
and
I'm
not
sure
if
there
are
people
who
are
not
on
this
call
who
I'd
also
like
to
say.
Thank
you
to
too
for
translation.
A
So
you
know
if
there
are
things
that
that
need
to
to
change
in
the
future
or
things
that
that
we
can
do
better.
Just
you
know,
let
us
know
if
the
process
could
be
improved
in
any
way.
We'd
like
to
to
kind
of
capture
that
process
improvement,
I
do
think
that,
for
at
least
from
my
perspective,
the
process
is
going
quite
well
and
I
think
we're
continuing
to
push
the
process
forward
with
our
spanish
translations
as
well.
So
I
think
there's
good
progress
there
and
I
think
the
hope
is
for
this
next
round.
A
A
A
I
did
want
to
say
just
a
comment
on
the
next
release
cycle
for
this.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
is
for
the
next
release
cycle,
we're
going
to
be
focusing
on
updating,
released,
metrics,
and
so
while
there
might
be
a
few
new
metrics
really,
the
hope
is
is
that
we
can
focus
on
updating
metrics
that
were
released
sometimes
up
to
two
or
three
years
ago.
Just
because
things
have
changed.
A
B
A
A
We
point
to
the
original
issue
under
which
the
metric
was
developed.
So
this
is
revising
a
metric
will
create
new
issues,
and
then
we
provide
any
details
of
things
that
need
to
be
updated.
So,
for
example,
like
sometimes
list
formats
are
incorrect
or
sometimes
an
objective
section
is
not
clear,
like
the
the
reviewer
just
kind
of
provides
a
list
of
things
that
they
see,
that
probably
or
the
template
is
old,
or
you
have
sql
statements
that
need
to
be
removed.
B
A
A
Nothing
to
do
today
doesn't
have
to
imagine,
or
it
doesn't
have
to
happen
right
away.
Okay,
so
just
a
question
for
folks
all
right.
Let's
see
next
issue
before
we
get
to
the
metric
model,
I
think
june
you
have
a
question
about
how
we
can
set
up
auger
instances.
B
D
That
law
like
this,
I
just
want
to
add,
add
other
projector
in
order.
I
just
want
to
know
how
how
to
do
it
so.
A
A
E
A
A
You
have
a
list
of
like
repositories
that
you
would
like
to
analyze.
That
would
be
a
good
first
start.
E
E
A
E
A
A
So,
okay,
cool,
let's
see
one
I'll
share
my
screen
one
last
time
here
I
did
want
you
to
know
that
just
I
think
folks,
here
on
this
call,
would
be
interested
so
google
summer
of
code,
the
application
period
is
done.
It
ended
yesterday.
A
B
B
F
It
is,
it's
called
a,
I
forget
the
name
of
it,
it's
a
spider
that
makes
like
this
basket
of
web
and
then
like
in
traps.
So
that's
just
dew
drops
from
the
morning
sun
hitting
them.
It's
like.
B
B
A
B
A
So
the
way
that
sounds
good
so
the
way
that
it'll
work
yehui
is
google.
Are
you
familiar
with
google
summer
of
code
just
the
process?
So
basically
we
can.
We
will
take
a
look
at
the
proposals
and
we'll
meet
as
a
group
of
mentors.
You
know
what
I
mean
and
folks
who
have
been
involved
in
the
process
and
it's
possible
even
for
say
the
conversion
rate
project.
We
can
request
more
than
one
student,
so
we
can
request.
I
think,
one
year
we
had
nine
students
participating
in
the
chaos
project.
A
So
that's
great.
So
the
way
that
we'll
do
it
is
we'll
work
we'll
meet
as
a
group
of
mentors
and
then
we
put
in
the
number
of
requests
for
students
to
google
and
then
they
approve
or
they
adjust
down
the
number
of
requests.
So
if
we
put
in
a
request
for
seven,
they
might
say
sure
you're
approved
for
seven
or
if
we
put
in
a
request
for
seven,
they
might
say
you're
approved
for
five
and
then
then
we
figure
it
out
from
there.
Okay
and
then
the
only
other
thing
is,
as
we
make
decisions.
A
We
won't
do
it
here,
but
as
we
make
decisions,
don't
you're
not
supposed
to
tell
the
students,
because
google
likes
to
release
that
all
at
one
time.
So
if,
if
we
choose
one
of
these
students,
you
know
as
a
possible
participant,
don't
tell
the
student
that
we've
chosen
them.
We
we.
A
So,
just
that's
all
too
okay
cool
great,
so
we'll
set
up
a
meeting.
A
We
I
don't
play
in
the
next
couple
weeks,
just
we'll
we'll
share
out
the
proposals
kind
of
in
a
formatted
way
and
then
we'll
just
set
up
a
meeting,
and
we
can
talk
a
private
meeting
where
we
can
talk
through
the
proposals
and
make
decisions.
Okay,
all
right,
cool
great!
Thank
you.
B
A
D
D
This
guy
is
a
nobel
laureate,
so
he
said
a
waste
of
information
creates
a
pro
priority
of
attention
and
it
means
in
our
case
metric.
We
have
a
lot
of
information
and
a
lot
of
metric.
Maybe
we
have
to
use
match
module
to
fix
our
attention.
D
So,
and-
and
so
in
this
and
in
this
50-
and
I
want
to
show
on
the
dead
inside-
make
make
us
focus
on
the
most
mean
for
that,
and
this
is,
there
are
five
pictures
and
it
means
there
are
five
steps.
D
So
there
are
five
steps
to
to
processing
our
information
and
in
our
chaos
metric
on
the
most
of
the
metric.
We
are
step
matrix
step,
one
like
this
like
this,
so
we
just
extract
our
original
date
to
the
simple
information
like
our
independent
metric,
such
as
we
defined
we
defined
and
changed
pr
to
one
metric.
D
D
So
so
we
we
now
we
are
step
step,
step,
two
matrix
step,
two
and
also
match
module
step,
one
like
this,
this
picture,
so
so
we
are
trying
to
move
to
the
next
two
steps
and
we
are
trying
to
define
the
room
and
convergency
our
knowledge
and
in
order
to
find
our
insight
like
this
step
now,
the
next
step
we
could
discover-
and
maybe
we
could
pre-start
pre-prediction
prediction
prediction
predicting
some.
Some
information.
D
And
I
give
some
example
simple
example,
so
we
can
say
clearly
and
the
original
data
like
ogre
and
the
grimlab
and
they
trying
to
use
original
github
api
to
get
the
original
date
like
this.
D
D
So
this
is
the
step
two
and
we
could
we
could
say
simple
translation
and
we
can
say
people
how
to
translation
and
what?
What
is
the
rate
of
the
trans
translation,
and
so
this
the
magic
model
step.
Two.
We
are
trying
to
find
the
inside
inside
point
like
hue
provided
the
last
meeting,
and
he
gave
us
some
example
of
how
to
find
the
insights
and
in
active
metric
models
and
the
the
last
step
will
we're
trying
to
use
to
use
another
module.
D
Maybe
air
arm
ar
module
and
svm
module
and
we
could
find
out.
We
could
find
out
and
maybe
pre
pressed
prediction
and
who
will
who
will
live
from
this
community.
D
So,
like,
like
I
said
before
so
this
is
this
cycle.
It
means
we
are
in
match
model
step
one
and
we
only
have
model
diff
definition
and,
like
we
defined
some
user
case
and
we
defined
the
match,
module
rooms
and
some
other
some
other
metric.
D
This
is
our
this
is,
and
this
one
we
already
were
already
achieved
so
and
the
thing
and
the
part
of
realizations.
D
As
the
other
scenes,
we
still,
we
still
lack
of
the
other
scenes
like
magic
model
step
two
and
the
way.
D
And
the
that
inside
and
original
database
we
are
not,
we
will
not
have
this.
We
are
not
of
this
three
part
so
chen.
She
provided
the
pull
request
in
this
link
and
she
submitted
three
parts
in
three
floors.
D
Like
that
inside,
that's
it
yes,
so
we
hope
to
achieve
the
follow
goals
in
order
to
raise
hospitals
and
community
managers
ex
ex
ex
expectations
on
the
value
created
by
a
metric
module.
So
we
introduce
a
real-world
community
data
set
and
we
are
trying
to
a
set
of
chaos
in
the
future
and
with
real
community
debt,
and
we
are
trying
to
give
kels
our
open
unit
or
open
goals,
cost
open
course.
Debt.
B
Yeah,
actually,
after
last
matrix
model
meeting,
we
have
a
long
discussion
with
the
community
manager
from
you
know.
From
from
my
my
company,
who
original
in
initialize
some
communities
like
open
ruler,
open
gauss
and
those
two
community
managers
also
think
that
they
would
like
to
contribute
their
community
data
site
to
kills
and
we
can
use
their
data
site
to
verify
our
matrix
model.
So
with
this
we
can
verify
our
matrix
model
to
say.
Okay,
this
matrix
model
has
has
been
verified
by
some
data
site.
B
You
know,
so
we
can
prove
that
it
it
can.
It
can
produce
some
values
and
we
would
like
to
introduce
more
data
site
if
other
communities
would
like
to
contribute
their
desire
to
to
our
chaos.
I
think
it's
such
this
side
would
become
a
valuable
aside
of
chaos
in
the
future,
because
what
we
like
lack
of
in
chaos
is
that
we
have
a
lot
of
metrics
and
matrix
models.
It's
it's
very,
it's
very
nice,
but
the
next
things
we
have
proved
that
this
matrix
model
worked
for
for
the
real
case.
B
B
He
will
to
to
use
in
this
pro
requires
to
demo
how
to
how
to
explain
the
whole
process.
Maybe
20
you
can
share
your
screen.
A
G
I
will
continue
to
introduce
the
magical
mode
if
we
has
introduced
the
metric
model
in
metric
model.
Working
group
and
gene
has
given
the
whole
solution
on
slides
and
I
will
show
you
how
to
calculate
the
community
activity
metric
model
in
jupiter
notebook
we
design
and
edit
together
and
and
the
first
of
all,
I
will
introduce
the
fail
structure.
G
And
there
are
three
floaters
as
gene
has
introduced
just
now,
and
the
first
is
the
data
inside
at
the
yeah
as
I'm
showing
it
is
a
jupiter
notebook
and
we
can
see
all
the
charts
by
running
the
cell
and
the
second
is
the
algorithm
and
the
detail
of
every
magical
model.
Algorithm
is
in
it,
and
the
contributors
could
add
their
algorithm
for
different
metric
in
this
file
and
the
last
folder
is
a
data
site.
G
G
G
That
by
is
feature-
and
we
could
see
the
community
8th
scar-
is
very
stable
with
an
obvious
pattern.
Together
is
the
russian
release
date
and
the
the
virtual
lines
means
the
version
means
the
version
released
this
and
the
green
means
the
community
a
release
date
and
the
orange
means
open
ruler,
release
this
and
as
open
ruler
is
a
young
community,
so
its
value
grows
fast
at
the
beginning,
and
even
at
least
community
a
at
some
point,
and
but
there
is
no
obvious
pattern.
G
G
And
by
this
figure
by
this
feature,
the
result
of
community
frequency
shows
the
higher
relevancy
with
the
contributor
account.
If
we
look
closely
to
the
figure,
we
could
find
that
value
views
of
community
a
has
the
same
frequency
is
the
overall
activity
score
we
could
see.
There
is
a
wheel
crease
and
the
trap
between
the
release
discs,
and
it
has
the
similar
pattern
in
critical
score.
G
G
By
this
figure
we
could
see
community
a
shows,
obviously
triangle
wave
pattern
combined
with
open
ruler
combined
with
bigger
community
activity.
We
could
find
that
almost
all
the
report
has
been
maintained
before
each
version
was
released,
but
open
ruler
doesn't
show
this
cap
capability.
B
And
I
also
released
some
suggestions
because
we
do
some
data
inside
for
this
figure
by
ourselves.
If
there's
more
suggestions,
I
mean
the
data
inside
here
we
can
add,
add
more
data
inside
our
analysis
here
in
the
future.
G
G
A
E
A
A
E
A
B
A
With
you
that
we
are
kind
of
in
that
metric
definition,
step
one
and
now
kind
of
thinking
about
how
to
bring
those
together
in
a
metrics
model
and
then
based
on
what
you
had
shown
last
time
with
the
insights,
the
insights
paragraphs
is:
is
there
a
suggestion
that
that
we
in
the
metrics
models
would
actually
do
metric
model
step
one
and
step
two
concurrently?
Would
we
do
them
at
the
same
time,
because
there
could
be
an
argument
that
we
don't
do
insights
first,
you
know
what
I
mean.
A
B
Yeah,
but
because
the
reason
writer,
the
most
case,
we
only
do
things
in
the
step.
One
is
that
we
we
lack
of
the
real
data,
so
we
cannot
verify
that.
Okay,
so
that's
why
we
I
we
give
us
our
proposal
or
solutions.
We
would
like
to
introduce
more
real-world
community
data
side
from
the
real
communities.
B
So
that's
why
we
first
talked
to
our
community
managers
open
roland
and
openglass
and
many
other
community
managers.
They
would
like
to
contribute
their
data
science
to
our
chaos,
community
that
that's
the
I
mean
the
one
advantage
condition.
So
if
we
have
such
data
site,
then
we
could
provide
the
the
requirement
of
the
verification
data
for
to
step
into
the
step.
B
Two,
of
course,
like
we
cannot
force
all
the
matrix
model
have
to
finish
all
the
steps
before
they're
gonna
go
release
or
submit,
but
but
if
we
could
solve
that
problem,
I
think
it's
very
useful
for
the
people
who
have
just
the
whole
idea
of
the
matrix
model,
but
they
don't
have
enough
data
to
verify.
Okay,
they
are
matrix
mode.
A
B
A
B
And,
and
also
another
point,
is
that,
especially
in
china,
not
just
the
community
community
managers
from
my
company,
but
also
from
many
other
companies
like
tencent,
like
ali,
they
told
us
that
they
in
the
first
couple
years
they
come
to
chaos.
They
found
that
in
chaos
community
they
provide
a
lot
of
metrics.
They
are
very
happy
about
it.
They
would
like
to
use
one
of
them,
but
further
they
got.
B
A
B
Yeah,
so
so
right
now
we
have
stepped
into
some
kind
of
stage
of
the
matrix
model.
I
think
we
are.
We
are
going
to
release
matrix
model
in
in
in
the
following
two
or
three
months
later
on
or
even
nine
months
later,
but
before
I
do
that,
I
would
like
to
to
tell
those
community
monitors
they
come
on.
We
have
to
prove
that
this
matrix
model
has
been
verified
using
some
real
data.
A
Okay,
well,
that
makes
that
makes
sense.
I
think
maybe
a
lot
of
my
questions
are
they're,
certainly
not
concerns,
I'm
just.
I
always
have
to
think
about
like
kind
of
the
related
process,
components
that
go
with
it,
just
as
we
do
the
releases
of
metrics
models
and
include
insights
and
available
data
to
kind
of
verify
those
insights.
I
think
it's
wonderful,
I'm
just
always
kind
of
thinking
about.
E
A
D
A
A
B
Yeah,
I
I
mean
if
we
could,
how
to
how,
to
I
mean
to
convince
those
communities
to
to
contribute
their
own
design
to
our
chaos.
So
we
we
are
think
of
some
ideas,
so
for
some
communities
they
would
like
to,
you
know,
prove
promote
their
communities
to
say.
Okay,
you
can
verify
you
can
help
me
verify
our
communities,
I'm
confident
to
say
that
my
com,
my
community,
is,
is
healthy
in
in
some
perspective.
B
Okay,
that's
why
they
would
like
to
contribute
their
own
their
side
and
in
some
other
points,
if
we
could
sites
provide
some
reference
links
in
our
chaos
to
say.
Okay,
we
have
adopt
or
accept
data
site
contributed
by
some
communities,
but
also
some
ways
to
help
them
to
say.
Okay,
we
have
set
up
some
connections
with
other
communities
to
make
some
kind
of
collaborations
yep.
A
A
So
I
mean
there's
kind
of
two
there's.
There
are
two
things
that
are
being
proposed
here.
One
is
a
bit
of
a
process
which
we
have
to
think
about,
and
the
other
is
the
structural
change
which
I
don't
see
any
problem
with
just
the
kind
of
the
proposed
change
here
right
now.
The
structure
change
doesn't
necessarily
follow
the
way
that
we
distribute
notebooks.
A
So
I
think
we
probably
want
to
think
about
that
as
well.
If
you,
if
you
actually
go
to
the
metrics
model
repository
right
now,
we
have
a
folder,
I
think
called
implementations
and
then
under
implementations
is
a
jupiter
notebook
called
community
welcomingness
which
sean
and
ragava
have
been
working
on.
So
you
can
see
that's
a
slightly
different
design
than
what
you
have
here,
and
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
these
are
in
the
same,
and
I
had
commented
on
the
pull
request
about
that
about
that
structural
change
as
well.
C
Hi,
it's
a
long
time
from
my
understanding,
so
there
would
be
like
especially
huawei.
Some
communities
on
under,
like
open,
aura
or
open
gauss
is
interested
to
donate
its
internal
data,
maybe
without
those
sensitive
information
on
to
chaos
and
also
encourage
other
communities
to
donate
their
data,
provide
a
way
to
verify
if
this
metrics
are
useful
or
or
indicates
or
already
means
something
so
that
may
require
some
data
standard,
like
from
my
understanding,
it
needs
to
construct
and
maintain
a
data
set.
C
Maybe
I
mean
data
related
git
is
maybe
the
same,
but
other
kind
of
data
may
have
different
forms.
B
In
that
way,
we
could
define
the
data
schema
for
the
different
matrix
model
and
we
can,
following
that,
this
schema
to
continue
provide
the
long,
long
term,
data
from
those
communities
and
the
thing
the
data
we
provide,
not
just
from
data.
I
talked
to
one
communities
like
open
gauss,
who
is
that
is
a
database
community
in
this
community.
They
would
like
to
contribute
some
database
servers
instance,
together
with
the
open
ruler
to
to
chaos,
to
store
those
data.
If
we
don't
have
enough
instruct
infrastructures
in
our
communities.
C
Okay,
I
think
this
is
a
good
step
for
chaosmetrics
to
really
lend
to
some
to
somewhere
like
to
be
in
instant,
to
have
an
instance
to
be.
I
don't
because
I,
as
yahweh
said,
I
also
heard
some
community
managers.
They
said
they
don't
know
how
to
deal
with
these
metrics
because,
most
of
them
they
are
not
from
like
they
are
not
data
scientists.
They
are
just
manager
management
role,
yes,
and
they
don't
know
how
to
handle
this
metrics
like
how
to
collect
data.
Yes,
yes,.
B
So
I
I
know
that
in
this
short
meeting
we
cannot
make
make
any
final
decisions,
but
might
would
you
think
that
we
can
continue
such
proposal
discussions
in
some
other
meetings
with
other
people
together
to
see.
A
A
That's
true
and
I'm
thinking
we
should
probably
talk
about
this
in
the
community
meeting
as
well.
So
there
are,
we
do
have
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
and
kind
of
bring
these
things
forward
to
the
community,
and
I
you
know
I
so
I
think
those
would
be
the
two
places
I
would
start.
We
have
the
community
meeting
next
tuesday
and
then
we
have
also
the
the
metrics
model
meeting
next
tuesday
or
wednesday
morning
for
all
of
you.
A
B
A
Oh,
I
think
I
can.
I
think
I
understand
no,
you
do
not
need
to
attend
that.
That's
a,
I
think,
that's
a
very
difficult
time
for
you,
so
I
can.
I
can
certainly
cover
you
there.
I
I've
kind
of
made
a
few
notes
in
the
minutes
for
today,
because
the
way
I
see
this
is,
is
there
some
process
components
that
I
have?
I
think
we
have
to
think
about
which
are
things
like?
How
do
we
reach
out
to
a
community
and
request
data
sets
like
why?
How
do
we
even
make
that
request?
A
B
B
A
That's
that
that's
absolutely
amazing
and
then
to
shoya's
point
and
what
you
were
also
talking
about
like
is
there
a
metadata
that
we
need
to
ask
for
against
the
data
sets
or
is
there
a
data
schema
that
we
need
to
ask
like?
Is
there
a
standard
way
that
we
do
contributions
like
these
are
just
things
we
have
to
think
about.
You
know
yeah.
C
I
think,
eventually,
eventually
this
may
maybe
also
like
become
an
alliance
like
what
open
chain
does
like.
B
A
I
agree,
and
I
think
we're
at
the
point
now,
where,
as
we
put
forward
metrics
models
and
ways
to
actually
do
visualizations
and
provide
insights,
this
is
where,
to
your
point,
show
you,
like
the
non-data
scientists,
can
start
to
look
at
some
of
this
information
in
ways
that
are
meaningful
to
them.
I
think
we're.
Finally,
at
this
point,
it
takes
a
long
time
to
get
here,
but
I
think
we're
finally
getting
there.
So.
C
A
A
A
A
So
I
really
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
think
about
these
and
you
taking
the
time
to
present
them,
and
your
presentations
were
amazing
and
now
how
can
we
collectively
do
this
as
a
as
a
community?
Absolutely
wonderful!
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right,
yeah,
so
we're
at
the
end
of
our
time.
I
will
bring
this
up
in
the
community
call
next
week
and
then
we
will
see
most
of
you
if
that
would
work
for
you
on
the
metrics
model
meeting
exactly.