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A
B
Welcome
everyone
to
the
november
3rd
edition
of
the
asia
pacific
community
call
we're
just
looking
at
the
agenda
right
now.
B
Boy
did
you
have
some
things
that
you
wanted
to
bring
up
or
add
to
the
agenda
yeah.
C
Maybe
actually
last
night,
soya
annoy
and
some
other
chinese
people
to
have
a
meeting
online
meeting
to
talking
about
matrix
model.
So
I
invite
me
to
give
to
give
people
about
how
matrix
model
working
group
will
working.
So
I
introduced
them.
It's
achieved
a
lot
of
discussion
there
and
I
think
they
all
have
very
intrigue.
My
nature
is
down
on
that.
C
So
I
think
our
discussion
will
be
continued
after
that,
actually,
some
some
people
from
universities
and
and
also
from
other
companies,
they
share
their
some
experiences
and
the
research
results.
So
I
think
after
that
maybe
more
and
more
matrix
model
will
be
pop-up
from
those
people
and
they
can
contribute
they
can
contribute
and
discuss
with
us
later.
D
Yeah,
I
think
it's
effective
to
look
at
the
metric
from
the
perspective
of
users.
So
using
you
other
stories
to
build
matrix
models
is
a
new
way
that
we
can.
We
can
grow,
and
it's
just
I
still.
I
still
I
I
don't
think
I
still
not
so
very
sure
that
how
we
can
apply
them
because
also
I
saw
I
saw
the
the
document
template
the
template
of
each
metric
module
and
the
the
implementation
sections
to
remain
blank
right.
D
Actually,
this
is
a
discussion
with
within
our
lab.
We
just
had
this
afternoon
that
I
know
just
sorry
I
mean
maybe
some
some
sometimes
some
people.
They
just
want
an
answer
like
the
badging
program.
It
is
kind
of
doing
the
quantitative
work
they
give
people
a
result
like
it's
on
gold
or
silver
or
not
past,
that
that
is
kind
of
a
result,
a
specific
result
and
based
on
that,
we
can
so
like.
D
We
are
always
doing
the
healthy
analytics
and
maybe
sometimes
people
want,
but
I
know
it's
noble
for
chaos
not
to
give
a
result,
because
that's
a
bit
too.
D
That's
an
arbitrary
a
bit
like
I'm,
not
sure
if
I
made
it
clear
to
do
that,
but
sometimes
people
want
to
know
if
you
can
give
me
a
result
about
it's
healthy
or
unhealthy
or
or
sub-healthy,
or
just
the
stages
between
healthy
and
healthy
and
based
on
that
they
can
look
into
exactly
which,
which
kind
which
dimensions
looks
not
so
good.
B
Yeah,
you
absolutely
did,
and
I
know
that
we've
had
conversations
across
working
groups
and
with
other
organizations
about
doing
things
like
a
scorecard
or
you
know.
E
B
Am
I
an
a
plus
or
am
I
you
know
not
doing
well,
am
I
failing
and
it's
it
is
very
hard.
I
was
actually
talking
to
someone
a
few
days
ago
about
this,
because
since
every
open
source
project
is
so
very
different,
it's
really
hard
to
compare
and
to
to
put
that
judgment
on
there,
like
you
were
saying,
and
so
I
I
know
that's
something
probably
that
people
want,
but
I'm
not
sure
how
we
can
do
that
in
a
in
a
in
a
scalable
way.
B
So,
for
instance,
we
were
talking
about
the
the
idea
of
people
coming
and
going
quickly
like
an
occasional
contributor,
only
you
know
contributing
like
once
or
twice
and
then
leaving
and
in
some
contexts.
That's
my
that
might
be
what
you
want,
because
it's
like
fresh
faces
and
new
voices
and
you
know
a
constant
inflow
of
new
ideas,
but
that
could
also
indicate
that
maybe
your
community
is
not
fun
and
talk.
Maybe
it's
toxic
and
so
people
are
coming
and
then
they
intended
to
stay
but
now
they're
leaving.
B
So
it
really
is
hard
to
just
say
this
number
is
a
good
number,
or
this
number
is
a
bad
number
without
having
that
full
picture
and
really
having
you
know
a
better
idea,
so
I
think
the
metrics
models
can
get
us
closer
to
that
so
like
if
we
looked
at,
you
know
that
that
number
of
people
who
are
coming
and
going
quickly
in
addition
to
you
know
like
the
the
feel
of
the
the
community
or
other
things
that
we're
measuring
that
measure,
the
culture
of
the
community,
like
those
two
things
together,
might
be
closer
to
giving
you
a
some
kind
of
indication
that
this
is
maybe
a
problem
or
it's
completely
fine,
and
this
is
what
we
want
to
see
happen
so
yeah.
D
C
So
so
so
committee
really
do
some
comparison
between
the
different
communities
which,
however,
the
close
or
slight
similar
situation
from
from
the
different
point
of
view.
Maybe
they
they,
they
they're
doing
the
similar
software
implementation
of
the
similar
areas
in
different
functionality,
or
something
like
that.
C
B
F
Oh
yeah
and
like
like
you
said
I
list
the
one
at
least
one
metric,
I'm
not
sure
because
have
yet
I
just
want
to
show
make
sure
one
magic.
Let
me
show
my
screen.
F
F
In
in
my
company,
and
we
have
the
requirement,
we
will
have
any
requirements,
it
is
about
how
to
rank
rank
contributor
or
how
to
compare
an
open
source
project
between
a
and
b
like
like,
like,
like
you
said,
and
we
cannot
compare,
compare
two
different
open
source
project
and
we
cannot
say
which
one
is
the
bad
or
which
one
is
good.
So
maybe
we
have
the.
F
Maybe
some
one
of
the
open
source
project
have
their
objective.
Maybe
they-
and
I
just
make
an
example-
maybe
they
just
want
to
prove
the
health
deployment
of
the
community
to
increase
their
review
number.
So
they
let
the
review
review
review
comments
as
their
other
top
other
top
metric.
So
they
should
like
the
open,
stack.
C
F
Yeah
yeah
sure
you
know
openstack
not
use
github
to
review
right
yeah,
so
they
have
their
own
own
list
own
rank.
So
I'm
not
sure
kills
have
this
metric
about
just
a
rank,
rank
rank
contributor
or
rank
project.
The
wait
we
have.
C
No,
I
I
also
don't
think
we
have
we
have
we
we
care
about,
commit,
we
care
about
pull
requests
and
the
issue
summit,
but
we
didn't
like
it
in
one
in
one
metric.
I
think.
F
D
Project
we
have
there,
there
is
a
pro
there
is
a
project
named
db
engine.
Is
that
what
you
are
talking
about.
D
You
know
it
right,
yeah,
the
it's
like
the
popular,
the
the
the
rank
of
the
popular
of
all
the
database,
yeah
yeah.
Why
why
there
is
open
source
or
closed
source
or
commercial
database.
D
F
Yeah
yeah
yeah
yeah
yeah,
so
we
have
this
so
so
I
think
do
we
have
to
add
this
metric
to
rank
rank
it
because
we
will
already
have
the
rank
website
right,
but
we
don't
have
a
metric
for
rank.
C
So
I
have
a
question
you
know
like
cpu
engines,
they
all
belong
to
the
database
so
from
the
data
from
open
source.
They
have
different
areas.
Maybe
they
you
know,
they
focused
on
the
database
development
and
someone
focus
on
the
cloud
and
someone
focused
on
ai.
So
do
we
have
to
go
and
find
different
areas
or
or
we
put
them
together
in
one
run,.
F
Let
maybe
we
have
all,
we
have
the
goal
and
we
can
we
can
and
we
can
have
some
different
different
rules.
F
But
but
and
some
people
want
to
use
it,
they
can
use
it.
If
you
don't
like
it,
you
cannot
look
at
it.
F
D
C
D
So
what
what
you
want
to
do
is
to
have
some
kind
of
ranking
list
of
all.
The
open
source
project
may
be
divided
by
the
divided
by
different
domains
like
database,
like
like
operating
system
and
of
all
the
open
source
projects
or
within
an
organization
or
even
within
one
project,
but
to
do
the
ranking
of
maybe
contributors
the
contribution
of
contributors.
I
think
that
would
make
it
sounds
a
bit
easier.
F
Yeah,
so
we
could
rank
one
project
contributors.
This
is
the
first
first
step,
maybe
second
step
we
could
rank
the
some
project
from
one
error.
C
So
what
does
this
rank
mean?
Does
it
means
the
first,
the
fourth,
the
first
one
is
the
the
most
health
open
source
community
in
this
areas,
or
this
is
the
most
active
communities
in
this
area,
and
so
it's
triggered
a
lot
of
thinking.
It
triggered
me
a
lot
of
thinking
about
that,
because
we
in
kills.
We
have
a
70
metrics
to
measure.
B
F
D
I
remember
there
is
a
metric,
I
think
we've
discussed
these
two
metrics
on
the
elephant
factor
and
the
boss
factor
and
one
one
one
of
the.
But
but
that's
not
the.
I
don't
think
that's
the
initial
motivation
of
these
two
metrics
to
do
the
ranking,
but
it
has
to
calculate
each
contributor's
contribution
to
this
project
to
see
the
distribution
of
of
the
like
the
workload
of
the
community.
D
D
C
Think,
from
the
best
factor
it's
coming
from
the
it
stands
from
the
risk
point
of
view.
C
B
B
C
F
C
F
Okay,
okay
and
they're,
trying
trying
to
meet
to
explain
how
how
how
to
list
how
to
rank
it
and
the
train
to.
Let
me
explain
what
is
the
famous
way
or
what
is
the?
B
I
don't
know
if
you
are
all
familiar
with
a
php
project
called
drupal
d-r-u-p-a-l,
but
they
have
something
similar
where
they
rank
organizations
of
how
involved
they
are
in
the
project,
which
I
think
is
kind
of
an
interesting
thing
and
I'll.
B
And
so
this
might
be
another
way
to
kind
of
look
internally
at
your
project
of
like
what's
happening
and
who's
contributing.
If
it's
something
that
has
multiple
organizations
in
it
and
they
have
so
when
they
rank
them.
They
list
like
four
different
things:
how
many
people
are
contributing?
How
many
projects
within
the
organization
they're
they're
contributing
to
and
how
many
issues
they
call
them
issue
credits
because
it's
they
give
credit
for
someone
who's
like
organizing
an
event.
They
open
an
issue,
and
that
gives
them
credit
for
doing
that
work.
B
So
that's
where
that
comes
from,
but
it's
just
kind
of
an
interesting
way
to
look
at
the
different
ways
that
they
are
ranking.
People
who
are
contributing.
F
B
That
also
kind
of
ties
into
if
you
are
going
to
rank
people
that
are
contributing
to
the
project.
You
know,
we
should
probably
make
sure
that
those
contributions
that
are
not
code,
maybe
like
documentation
or
events.
You
know,
organizing
things
like
that-
have
a
place
somewhere
that
they're
they're
recognized
and
counted
somehow.
B
So
something
to
think
about,
we
do
have
a
a
metric
called
contribution
attribution
and
it's.
We
worked
with
the
drupal
folks
on
that
to
give
credit
to
those
non-code
contributions
and
to
make
sure
that
they're
kind
of
counted
somewhere.
So
that
would
be.
Maybe
a
part
of
that
metric
model
is
to
make
sure
that,
if
you're
looking
at
activity
that
we're
like
looking
at
the
full
picture,
not
just
a
little
piece
of
it.
D
Okay,
but
it
still
depends
on
different
projects
to
decide
like
contributions
like
documentation
or
organizing
events,
like
what
kind
of
score
you
want
to
give
you
you
want
to
attach
to
this
kind
of
contribution,
right,
yeah,.
B
And
then
you
also
maybe
have
the
issue
of
you,
know
people
gaming,
the
system
and
submitting
a
lot
of
smaller
issues
to
or
smaller,
pull
requests
to
like
if
you're,
just
looking
straight
at
the
number,
you
know
of
a
number
of
pull
requests,
so
it
you
know
raises
them
in
the
ranking.
Even
though
they're
not
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
you
all
have
participated
in
hacktoberfest
that
github
runs
sometimes
but
or
I
should
say,
I
think
docker
runs
it.
Somebody
does
digitalocean
or
someone,
and
that
was
a
big
problem.
B
F
B
The
same
as
you
know
something
else
so
it
is,
it
can
be
complicated
if
you
know
if
you're
just
looking
at
a
number,
but
that
being
said
you
have,
if
we're
gonna,
try
to
provide
this
data
like
you
have
to
start
somewhere,
you
know
so
I
don't
know.
I
think
it's
a
good
metric.
I
think
it
would
be
super
interesting,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
people
would
want
to
use.
D
D
I
mean
exactly
the
same
thing
happened
in
china.
Recently,
an
open
source
project
from
a
tech
giant
is
being
notorious
for,
like
giving
others
little
gifts
to
start
for
the
project
and
it's
it's
brings
like
huge
discussion,
especially
in
the
the
wichita
group
of
kills
chinese.
The
group
we
set
up
because
this
kind
of
thing
just
bring
people
realize
what
exactly
should
we
care
about
like
giving
other
people
gifts
to?
Let
them
start
the
project.
Maybe
you
just
bring
people
that
they
give
the
star
and
they
just
leave
and
you'd.
F
C
F
It
could
maybe
maybe
helpful
manager
to
to
say
to
say
some
wish
to
see
the
contributor,
which
one
is
maybe
more
more
better.
It
will
help
just
use
this
to
help
not
use
this,
to
judge
something.
D
So
are
we
finished
on
this
topic.
C
I
think
this
topic
we
need
to
consider
more
because
we
cannot
decide
it
and
it's
interesting,
but
we
cannot
decide
how
to
how
to
either
different
metrics
behind
this
rank.
F
B
Feel
free
to
use
a
different,
a
different
mode
than
like.
We
usually
do
it
in
google
docs,
but
obviously
you
can
use
whatever.
G
C
C
C
F
F
F
F
So
this
metric
is
about
how
to
evaluate-
or
maybe
we
it's
it's
kind
of
the
same
same
thing
about
so
we
have
we
trying
to
use
a
score
to
judge
our
activity,
to
judge
our
active
activity.
F
F
C
I
can
translate
it
yeah.
We
can
translate
it
a
little
bit.
So
it's
a
kind
of
like
a
journey
of
of
a
contributor.
It
starts
from
to
touch
into
get
knowledge
of
the
the
community
and
by
by
joining
some
online
or
offline
events.
C
We
start
more
familiar
and
have
more
interest
on
this
community,
and
then
they
maybe
start
doing
some
contribution,
it's
kind
of
like
yeah
and
finally,
they
start
making
some
real
contribution
like
regulating
some
documentations
or
contribute
some
code
and
finally,
he
become
or
she
become,
the
co-contributor
of
this
community
right.
Yes,
yes,.
C
Like
the
people
engagement
in
this
community
from
the
beginning
and
to
the
to
the
into
and
to
to
joining
the
community.
Finally,
so
from
the
each
touch
point
or
even
points,
you
give
them
a
skull
right,
yeah
for.
C
When
they
start
drawing
an
event
you
you
may
evaluate,
okay,
how
it's
even
like
is
it?
Is
it
healed
successfully
or
not,
so
you
give
their
skull.
So
if
this
score
is
very
low,
that
means
you
cannot
help
people
from
you
know
from
a
carrier
contributor
to
become
a
co-contributor
or
regular
contributor.
We
they
must
have
some
problem
so
based.
F
Yes,
of
course,
think
about
what
happened
and
we
we're
trying
to
figure
out
which,
which
metric
have
more
problem.
It
is
up
or
down.
C
F
F
C
To
implement
this
method
into
your
to
to
deploy
it
into
into
your
community,
or
you
want
to
get
some
ideas
from
from
greek
from
chaos
or.
F
We
already
implement
implements
yet
okay
about
code,
because
we
will
already
write
the
code
about
this
five
method
and
trying
to
put
some
debts
to
use
this
method
to
to
get
some
score
or
something
else.
So
we
just
want
to
put
it
put
this
kills.
Maybe
we
can
find
them
more.
C
So
matrix
model
is
composed
of
some
exact
state
existed
matrix.
So
from
your
description
here,
I
don't
think
we
have
enough
metric
to
to
to
support
this
matrix
model.
Maybe
first
we
can
and
give
give
this
more
detailed
description
and-
and
we
can
to
not
say
stage
divided
into
some
sub
areas
and
putting
all
those
surveillance
into
the
different
working
group
as
a
metric,
and
then
we
finally
to
convert
the
divider
again
into
matrix
model,
and
maybe
it's
better
that
you
can.
C
C
D
I
know
it's
it's
almost
the
end
of
this
meeting.
I
just
want
to
bring
one
simple
thing
up
that
back
back
in
this
re
this
several
days
me
george
and
I
we
were
discussing
and-
and
we
decided
to
start
a
series
of
kiosks
china
and
yes
so,
but
there
are
still
several
things
to
be
settled,
because
I
really,
I
didn't
realize
that
it's
it's.
D
We
need
a
kind
of
more
formal
process
to
set
up
the
whole
process
and
like
how
to
in
like,
because
in
china
we
always
use
the
platform
called
himalaya
to
host
all
our
episodes.
But
that
is
really
rely
on
that
episode,
but
I
know
it's
completely
different
style
from
what
I
realized.
What
maybe,
how
you
guys
do
this?
It's
so
like.
We
still
need
to
decide
how
to
publish
this
episode
in
which
kind
of
forms,
but
I
just
want
to
share
this
goodness.
D
C
D
Couple
of
episodes
and
dream
two,
because
it's
just
because
because
of
we
use
different
platforms
and
channels
and
also
different
language,
I
think
we
can
all
feel
the
barrier
caused
by
the
communication
of
barrier
caused
by
language
and
that's
a
yeah
and
a
substantial
problem.
So,
but
we
want
to
discuss
something
about
community
athletics,
and
maybe
talking
in
chinese
could
bring
some
thing
up
in
the
group
of
folks
who
care
about
community
health
in
china
so
and.
B
Yeah,
I'm
happy
happy
happy
to
help
with
you
know,
figuring
out
how
you're
going
to
schedule.
I
assume,
would
you
be
the
one
to
okay
to
schedule
and
keep
it
all
straight?
I'm
sure,
georg,
has
probably
sent
you
the
documents
that
we
use
currently.
Has
he
okay?
Yes,
so
you
can.
We
can
take
that
and
find
something
that
works
better
for
for
you
as
well,
like
you,
don't
have
to
use
what
we're
using
for
the
other
camp
like
you
can
use
whatever
you
want.
So,
okay,
that's
great
though
I
love
that.