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A
Elizabeth,
if
you,
okay,
so
hi
everybody
welcome
to
the
chaos
asia,
pacific
community
call
thanks
for
everybody
for
joining
seeing
the
agenda
today.
I
think
yahui
has
a
couple
things
in
there.
So
if
you
could
yep,
maybe
add
yourself
to
the
list
of
attendees
today,
if
you'd,
like
thanks
to
don
for
putting
in
the
minutes
and
I'll
drop
him
in
here
again,.
B
C
Yeah,
actually
I
I
the
schedule
on
the
on
the
dock,
but
I
think
it's
too
small,
so
I
opened
here.
C
C
Yeah.
We
plan
to
hold
this
chaos
meet
up
on
the
july
8th
next
month
in
beijing,
and
then
we
have
one
day
the
whole
day
session,
and
this
is
the
schedule,
so
the
mainly
purpose
to
set
up
this
meetup
this
time-
and
we
have
many
to
have
two
purpose-
first-
involve
more
people
to
attend
chaos
community
and
to
participate.
The
related
work
like
matrix
discussion
and
contribution,
and
also
we
want
to
invoke
more
people
from
china,
open
source
communities
to
discuss
the
some
metrics
we
are
interested
in
recently.
C
So
as
you,
you
can
see
that
we
prepare
a
sca,
prepare
almost
one
half
day
a
half
day
for
for
the
discussion.
So
maybe
we
can
go
through
the
schedule
quickly.
So
at
the
beginning,
we
will
invite
a
one
people
called
shireko
from
one
office
she's.
Her
topic
is
about
from
standard
of
trustable,
open
source,
community
matrix
to
chaos,
and
then
next
and
we
are
looking
for
where
we
will
broadcast
a
video.
C
This
would
be
presented
by
king
gao
king
is
on
flight
today
by
the
way-
and
he
will
introduce
this
topic
based
on
the
experiences
in
the
past
six
months.
He
he
he
have
in
the
chaos
metrics
usage
in
his
work
and
the
next
is
about
a
grim
live
introduction.
First,
we
would
like
to
broadcast
one
video
about
a
short
discussion
about
start
introduction
about
groom
lab
with
the
latest
feature,
and
then
I
will
give
a
live
demo
based
on
the
chaos
matrix.
C
I
will
using
some
data
collect
from
github
and
to
do
to
show
the
matrix
result
after
taking
a
break,
and
we
invite
one
people
called
liang
zhang,
he's
the
founder
and
pmc
chair
of
apache
shenzhen,
swear
and
elastic
job,
and
he
will
give
us
some
community
matrix
thinking
based
on
his
experiences
in
the
community,
and
then
I
may
be
in
charge
in
white
jin
jong
who
attend
the
last
chaos
meeting
with
us
two
weeks
ago.
D
C
Open
community
open
source
communities
and
the
next
session
about
the
chaos
wave
working
and
the
map-
and
we
are
looking
forward
one
video
from
you-
you
guys,
if
possible,
to
to
introduce
the
road
bible
of
chaos,
community
and
and
also
we
want.
C
I
hope
you
can
show
some
significance
of
matrix
translations,
no
matter
spanish
or
chinese,
because,
as
you
know,
that
in
the
next
chaos
matrix
official
release
we
wanna
kick.
We
wanna
also
release
the
chinese
version
at
the
same
time
with
english
ocean.
So
we
want
to
invoke
more
people
from
china
to
together
to
doing
this
translation
work
in
the
community
and
the
next
topic
from
xiaoyong.
C
As
you
know,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
want
more
people
involved
into
the
chaos
community
works
and
after
one
hour
lunch,
we
will
invite
to
one
people
who
it's
actually
he's:
the
translator,
chinese
translator
of
the
the
car
sidro
and
the
bazaar,
this
books,
translator,
who
called
way
gm
fun.
C
So
we
usually
call
call
him
wizard,
so
we
want
to
invite
him
to
to
our
meet
up
to
to
show
some
thinkings
about
the
community
healthy
track.
And
after
that
we
step
into
the
whole
discussion
session.
Before
we
start
the
discussion,
we
will
introduce
the
topics
or
metrics.
We
want
to
discuss
in
these
two
two
rungs
discussion
and
to
introduce
the
each
matrix.
C
Maybe
and
after
that
we
will
divide
the
whole
people
into
two
group
at
first
ground
at
first
ranked
each
group
will
pick
up
one
topic
and
give
the
a
a
a
star
discuss,
and
some
of
us
will
join
each
of
those
groups
and
record
their
output.
So
after
the
group
discussion,
we
will
summarize
the
first
round
the
output
and
to
share
with
the
groups
with
each
other,
and
then
we
step
into
the
second
group
discussion,
so
we're
working
it's
similar
like
the
the
first
one.
C
So
after
this
two
round
discussion,
what
we
want
is
the
output
of
the
thinking
about
some
matrix
thinking,
and
maybe
we
can
contribute
back
to
the
community,
maybe
to
create
a
new
matrix
or
improve
some
of
the
metrics
okay.
Let's
basically
listed
this
at
the
schedule
we
planned.
Actually
I
just
finished
today
so
any
comments.
A
C
A
So
I
mean
I
have
a
in
the
minutes.
I
wrote
down
a
few
things
like
things
that
came
to
my
mind,
so
it
looks
like
there's
a
few
videos
that
you
need
from
us
elizabeth.
You
have
yes,
introduction
to
chaos,
the
row
four
and
so.
A
E
We
do
not
have
an
updated
version
of
that,
but
I
think
the
one
that
we
did
for
the
past
meetup
would
be
fine
to
use,
and
I
think
shoya
has
that
and
I
think
that's
already
been
translated,
so
that
should
just
be
good
to
go.
I
think.
D
C
A
C
C
A
I
so
in
gay
org
it
looks
like
he,
oh
would
somebody
like
to
record
so
he's
not
offering
to
do
it?
Okay,
okay,
so
that
looks
like
we
should
try
to
find
somebody
to
do
that.
C
And
then
next
also,
we
are
looking
for
another
video
that
is
about
the
chaos
rhodo
map
and
the
wave
working
in
the
in
the
chaos
communities
and
because
we
want
to
use
in
this
session
to
involve
more
people
from
from
china
to
letting
working
together
with
us
into
the
chaos
community
work
like
translations
and
metrics
discussion
and
contributing.
A
I
mean
so
as
far
as
the
translations
go,
the
there
are
two
google
summer
of
code
students,
ritik
and
yash,
who
are
participating
in
google
summer
of
code
to
help
with
the
automated
metrics
release
in
english.
D
C
A
C
C
C
A
And
so
a
couple
things
that
I
had
made
note
listening
to
talk
or
one,
and
this
is
kind
of
for
everybody.
How
do
we?
It
sounds
like
there's
a
lot
of
really
great
work,
that's
occurring
when
I
look
at
this
when
I
look
at
your
schedule.
A
Clearly
there
are
a
lot
of
people
thinking
about
the
chaos
metrics
as
having
an
impact
in
their
work
in
a
variety
of
different
ways.
So
how
do
I'm
wondering
how
we
make
that
more
visible
beyond
just
this.
C
C
They
have
some
thinkings,
but
the
status
current
status
in
current
china
open
source
community
that
we
all
want
to
to
to
measure
the
metrics
sorry
to
marry
the
community
communities,
but
we
only
focus
on
the
every
single
matrix
we
haven't
yet
to
set
up
the
a
complete
metric
model
to
say:
okay,
this
is
about
governance.
C
This
is
about
management,
and
this
is
about
the
development
areas.
So
we
want
to
set
up
a
complete
matrix
model
for
the
for
the
whole
community
health
strike.
That's
the
our
purpose.
That's
also.
We
want
to
have
a
half
day
discussion
in
this
meetup
to
collect
more
ideas
and
input
from
every
single
person
we
invited,
and
actually
we
we're
not
what
I
mean,
but
not
everybody
who
have
interest
or
who
just
want
to
keep
an
eye
on
it.
We
just
let
then
yin
into
this
session.
C
A
C
A
C
And
as
you,
you
can
see
that
we
will
have
some
discussion
summary
and
after
this
meetup,
we
want
to
introduce
more
people
to
to
the
to
the
chaos,
china,
some
discussion
group
and
continue
the
further
discussion
based
on
this
meetup
topics.
A
A
And
so
you
know,
I
think
part
of
this
to
me
is
we
have
the
chaos
project
and
we
have
you
know
the
infrastructure
that
we've
been
setting
up
over
the
course
of
many
years,
like
the
different
communication
channels,
the
different
ways
that
we
talk
and
communicate
and
the
asia
pacific
calls.
You
know
partnering
with
with
folks
from
china,
is
relatively
new,
and
so
I
think,
as
part
of
connecting
the
work
that
you're
doing
with
the
chaos
community,
it's
it's
coming
together
right.
I
don't
think
that
it's
fair
for
the
chaos
community.
A
E
Just
just
absolutely,
you
know
whatever
we
can
do
to
to
assist
and
to
make
that
bridge
easier.
You
know
by
all
means,
and
maybe
there's
something
that
we
can
set
up
a
almost
a
a
community
team
that
would
help
bridge
that
gap.
Like
sure
I
know,
you've
been
super
instrumental
in
kind
of
making
sure
that
things
are
communicated
back
and
forth.
Like
you've
really
been
the
glue,
I
think
to
hold
everything
together.
So
thank
you,
you
and
also
king
as
well.
E
So
you
know
maybe
there's
a
team
that
we
can
set
up.
That
would
help
you
know
in
a
smaller
venue
that
could
could
kind
of
come
together
and
sort
this
problem
out,
based
on
feedback
from
kind
of
both
of
our
communities
that
were
that
were
trying
to
grow.
D
E
You
know,
maybe
it
happens
just
on
slack
in
a
you
know,
in
an
informal
way
where
you
know
we
come
up
with
some
ideas
like
I
was
thinking
like
you
know,
one
thing
we
do
on
on
in
the
english-speaking
side
is
that
our
podcast-
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
would
be
helpful
over
in
china
if
we
had
a
chinese
host
that
would
you
know
kind
of
bridge
that
gap
or
something
like
that
that
we've
built
some
community
around
that
and
I
think,
also
building
that
chinese
slack
channel.
E
C
I
think
we
also
want
to
like,
like
this
chinese
chinese
channel,
it's
like
yes
and
also
actually,
I
have
to
say
that
some
areas
in
china
may
have
problem
to
to
to
download
and
you
you
use
a
slide
actually.
E
That
was
going
to
be
my
other
question.
Is
there
a
better
place
for
those
conversations
or
discussions
to
happen
in
in
an
asynchronous
textual
way.
E
I
think
we
looked
at
what
did
what
were
we
looking
at
before?
There
was
something
else
there
was
another
app
that
we
were
looking
at
doing.
I
do
not
remember.
A
D
Oh,
oh,
that
was
a
wet
chat,
official
account,
but
I
don't
think
I
don't
think
folks
from
western
or
beyond
china.
I
would
get
used
to
use
that
because
wechat
requires
a
phone
number
and
and
almost
all
the
all
the
languages
are
in
chinese,
all
the
texts
or
promotions
or
something.
D
Yeah
of
that,
that
is
a
good
way
to
at
least
at
least
for
the
for
this
meet
up.
That
is
a
good
promotion
channel
to
let
folks
from
china
that
know
we.
We
are
planning
something
in
chaos:
community
and
big
temperatures.
E
We
want
to,
you
know,
grow
the
community
together,
so
it's
it's
awesome
that
there's
so
much
interest
and
that
you
know
this
is
the
challenge
that
we
face.
Maybe
this
is
something
we
need
to
research
a
little
and
think
about.
I
don't
know
that
we'll
solve
it
right
here
today,
but
definitely
something
we
can
think
about
and
look
into
how
we
can
can
work
together
and
solve
this.
C
But
I
think
we
can
start
from
set
up
with
chinese
like
china
at
least,
I
mean
at
least
the
people
from
from
universities
like
xiaya
and
people
from
companies.
They
do
have
right
to
access
this
like
channel
and
they
can
they
can
to
to
to
communicate
on
the
through
the
through
this,
like
I
mean
that's
the
no
problem,
although
not
for
the
everyone
in
china,
but
at
least
from
companies
and
the
colleagues
and
and
the
universities,
there's
no
problem.
E
So
it
might
be
a
a
first
step
or
a
first
kind
of
phase
is
to
to
go
ahead
and
use
slack
for
now,
and
we
can
incorporate
then
some
some
of
the
community
knowing
like
in
the
future.
This
is
not
a
long-term
solution,
but
something
that
we
can
we
can.
We
can
start
using
more
right
now.
Would
that
would
that
make
sense.
A
So
yeah,
so
this
is
great.
So
some
of
this
is
maybe
like,
like
part
of
this,
for
me,
is
you
know
when
we
have
our
chaos,
cons
that
occur
in
europe
or
the
us?
There
are
so
many
amazing
things
that
come
out
of
those
discussions
that
actually
drive
change
in
the
chaos
project
like
based
on
the
event
we
have
say
in
brussels.
A
What
we're
talking
about
and
the
people
we're
communicating
with
actually
has
a
direct
impact
on
how
the
chaos
project
functions
after
that
event,
and
I'd
like
the
same
things
to
occur
here
right
so
as
this,
these
meetups
are
occurring
like
what
is
occurring
in
these
meetings
that
can
actually
change
and
improve
the
chaos
community
for
the
better.
So
that's
one
real
big
motivation
for
me
to
just
to
work
on
this.
A
So
that's
part
of
that's
that's
a
big
motivation
for
me
so
like
how
do
we
have
these
meetups
and
communications
to
help
drive
change
in
the
project,
and
then
there
are
like
very
significant,
artifacts
and
knowledge
components
that
are
that
will
exist,
whether
it's
new
metrics
or
a
metric
model.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
those
have
a
home
in
the
chaos
project
as
well
for
for
the
full
audience.
C
A
Okay,
great
so.
B
Just
yeah
go
ahead.
Sorry,
we
just
discussed
about
the
models
long
time
ago,
but
we
just
can't
find
some
theories
to
to
help
to
shape
the
mode
to
like
the
other
papers
or
other
series
to
to
to
to
be
a
base
to
help
to
shape
it.
So
we
want
to
find
some
professors
or
other
other
students
to
help
us
to
get
some
some
just
to
find
some
pieces
of
it.
B
So
I
just
want
to
know
about
the
chaos
community.
Do
you
have
some
serious
or
other
so
papers
or
others
seems
to
help
us
to
do
these
things.
A
It
does,
and
so
would
these
be
like
academics
across
the
world
globally.
B
A
Yeah,
so
definitely
I
think-
and
maybe
this
can
be
like
part
of
the
discussion
like
how
do
we
build
that
group
of
people?
I
mean-
maybe
it's
here
on
this
call-
I
don't
know
so.
Yes
that
does
make
sense
elizabeth.
What
do
you
give
thoughts
on
how
we
can
move
this
forward?
I
know
you
said
some
thoughts,
but
other
thoughts.
E
As
far
as
creating
some
academic.
A
Resources
just
like
in
terms
of
like,
like
we
have
this
this
call
right
here
and
then
we
have
a
slack
channel.
Do
you
think
these
are
sufficient
to
think
through
how
we
manage,
like
the
translation
between
you
know,
what's
occurring
in
china
and
what
is
occurring
in
like
western
countries?
I
just
don't
want
to
lose
that.
E
Yeah,
that's
a
really
interesting,
an
interesting
idea
to
take
it
to
the
board.
E
I
I
kind
of
so
I
think
the
one
of
the
problems
that
we
have
is,
in
my
opinion,
just
time
zones
right
aside
from
the
translation
itself
is
time
zones.
So
you
know
it'd
be
great
if
we
had
more
of
the
chaos
community
attending
these
meetings
to
hear
what's
happening
and
we
can
share
ideas
here,
and
it
would
also
be
great
if
we
had
more
chinese
community
members
attending
the
weekly
community
calls
that
we
have
on
tuesdays,
but
because
of
the
time
I
think
it's
it's
hard
to
bring
people
together.
E
So
it
might
make
sense
to
have
a
smaller
group
that
kind
of
represents
both
communities
that
come
together
and
just
do
a
quick
like
touch
base
or
sharing
of
hey
here's.
What
what
we've
been
talking
about
in
this
community?
You
know-
maybe
this
call
is
the
place
for
that.
I
don't
know
I
just
feel
like.
Maybe
you
know,
because
this
call
also
we
wanna
you
know.
E
Sometimes
we
wanna
talk
about
developing
metrics
and
and
things
that
you
know
the
you
know
actual
work,
but
that
the
chaos
community
is
doing
not
necessarily
like,
let's
catch
up
on
what
the
discussions
have
been
thus
far.
So
I
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
if
there's
another
venue
or
like
a
bi-weekly
touch
base,
you
know
with
just
a
few
people
to
say:
hey.
D
B
Yeah,
I
think
we
can
hold
a
bi-weekly
meeting
to
discussion
about
these
models
and
I
think
because
we
usually
try
to
try
to
find
some
others
to
explain
the
motivation
in
the
open
source
community,
like
they
know
economic
models
and
some
others
to
to
compare
to
the
the
models
we
were
now
discussed.
B
So
I
I
think
it's
a
I'm
very
welcome
to
to
youtube
to
discuss
about
the
models
every
two
weeks
in
some
other
meetings.
A
I
mean:
should
we
should
these
meetings,
I'm
just
thinking.
Should
these
be
in
chinese,
and
I
mean
as
as
there's
a
like.
If
there's,
if
a
group
of
people
is
say,
developing
metrics
or
you
know,
has
an
idea
for
a
metric
say
around
management
or
development
or
governance
like.
Would
it
be
more
efficient?
If,
if
folks,
who
are
working
on
this
in
china,
had
those
meetings
in
chinese
and
there
were
like
myself
or
elizabeth
like
on
the
call-
I
wouldn't
understand
anything,
but
I
would
be
I
would
be
prepared
to
like.
A
Have
somebody
ask
a
question
like
about
like
metrics
design,
you
know
like
how
we
go
about
kind
of
developing
a
new
metric.
You
know,
like
kind
of
what
is
the
process
within
chaos,
how
we
go
about
releasing
the
metric
for
for
the
community.
You
know
what
I
mean,
like
kind
of
the
process,
components
that
that
might
be
helpful
for
us
to
provide
insight.
E
C
C
From
china
we
can
close,
we
can
collect
the
ideas
of
output
from
chinese
people,
no
matter
the
community
maintainers
or
our
students
like
yoya
or
some
other
guys
who
have
interest
on
the
community
matrix
and
the
model
on
the
matrix
model.
We
can
summarize
the
their
their
ideas
and
bring
up
into
the
some
working
group
like
like
you
just
suggested,
and
we
can
discuss
it
together
because
not
everyone
in
china
they
do
well.
C
Yeah
it's
about
language,
that's!
Why
also
xiaoya
mentioned
that
we
can
use
some
v
chart
group
in
china
to
collect
some
ideas
and
also
we
can
utilize
some
chinese
like
channel
to
to
to
introduce
those
people
to
com
to
input
the
idea
into
some
other
channels.
But
we
do
want
to
summarize
those
ideas
together
and
no
matter
a
new
new
ideas
about
the
metrics
or
new
ideas
about
matrix
model,
and
we
can.
We
can
discuss
them
together
in
some
group,
don't
matter
in
this
asia
or
some
other
new
group.
D
Exactly
actually,
we
are
start
hosting
the
local,
like
com,
ps,
local
community
meetings.
We
don't
use
zoom
meetings,
we
use
tencent,
meaning
I'm
not
sure.
If
you've
heard
about
that-
and
we
we
just
started
that
so
and
it's
we
are
not
at
the
stage
of
like
create
creating
new
metrics,
but
just
still
discussing
and
trying
to.
D
Just
having
some
discussions
about
chaos
like
the
issues,
I
mentioned
a
lot
of
issues
I
created
under
the
repository
and
and
yeah
me,
and
king
and
yeah
way
we
can
exist
as
we
can
update
our
source
to
the
to
this.
To
this
meeting.
E
Yeah,
that
would
be
amazing.
I
think
instead
of
you
know,
trying
to
force
the
chinese
community
into
using
the
tools
that
are
familiar
to
us,
which
is
silly.
I
think
we
absolutely
should
empower
and
enable
you
all
to
use
what's
familiar
and
available
and
what
works
for
you
and
then
yeah.
E
C
Yeah
yeah,
the
bridge-
that's
great,
I
I
think
we
can
utilize.
I
mean
this
asia
meeting,
as
as
you
mentioned,
as
a
bridge
to
to
set
up
the
connection
between
the
china
communities
with
other
working
groups
from
chaos,
communities,
and
we
can
exchange
our
ideas
on
the
matrix
and
on
the
matrix
model
whatever,
and
maybe
we
can
pop
up
more
more
thinkings
and
ideas
in
the
full
in
the
future.
A
A
A
A
Awesome
all
right,
so
we
have
five
minutes.
This
is
super
productive
and
I'm
learning
a
lot.
So
thank
you,
everybody
and
just
kind
of
put
it
out
there
again
it
as
you
need
help
even
beyond
the
videos
for
the
meetup,
don't
hesitate
to
to
reach
out,
in
slack
or
whatever,
and
we're
happy
to
help
in
any
way
that
we
can.
C
D
C
D
Okay,
yeah
and
we
kind
of
still
hope
the
video
can
be
translated
and
add
the
subtitles
to
it.
Okay,.
A
Sure
so
I
guess
maybe
just
in
the
last
few
minutes
here
I
just
I
had
alluded
to
this
earlier
with
respect
to
the
translations.
So
that
is
correct.
I
mean
the
hope
is
with
the
next
release.
We
are
releasing
the
translated
metrics
as
well
we're
trying
to
we've
asked
ritik
and
yash,
and
maybe
I
can
gosh
what
time
is
it
in
india
right
now,
I
have
no
idea
late.
A
So,
for
example,
as
a
new
metric
say
if
a
new
metric
is
released
from
common
like
how,
how
do
we
do
the
first
translation
and
it
would
be
released
in
english?
So
what
is
the
process?
The
most
efficient
process,
by
which
the
common
working
group
can
signal
that
there's
a
new
metric
that
needs
to
be
translated,
that
the
translation
needs
to
be
done
and
that
signal
can
be
sent
to
kevin
that
as
part
of
the
release,
there's
a
you
know
a
translation
in
the
really.
A
There
is
a
technical
part
that
can
be
done,
so
we
could
maybe
rely
on
some
machine
translations
to
start,
but
then
there's
also
a
human
component.
That
needs
to
be
done
as
well
to
ensure
that
the
machine
translations
actually
make
sense,
and
so
it's
a
bit
more
complicated
than
just
an
automated
release
of
the
metrics.
C
D
About
the
translation,
automate
automation
process,
I
submitted
the
idea
I
submitted
to
summer
21st.
We
have
a
student
applied
for
that
idea,
but
I'm
not
sure
he
he
he
is
accustomed
to
joining
this
meeting
and
speaking
with
english.
So
I
will
keep
you
updated
with
his
progress.
A
Okay
and
so
we'll
we'll
bring
that
sounds
good,
because
then
we
can
bring
any
recommendations
that
ritik
and
yash
have
for
the
process
forward.
A
You
know,
I
don't
think
we'll
get
this
fully
implemented
during
their
google
summer
of
code
phase,
but
they
can
at
least
offer
a
process
that
we
can
speak
to
that
may
or
may
not
make
sense
for
the
for
the
entire
community,
so
it'll
serve
as
a
good
starting
point
for
all
of
us
cool
all
right.
Well,
we're!
Actually,
at
the
end
of
time
I
was
as
the
in
this
asia
pacific
hall.
A
So
honestly,
thank
you,
everybody
for
all
of
all
of
the
work
that
that
you're
doing
this
is
just
really
truly
amazing,
like
I
said,
I'm
learning
a
lot
about
how
to
work
globally.
So
this
is
very
interesting.
So.
A
A
That
is
fantastic
all
right.
Well,
everybody
looks
like
we
should
start
the
slack
channel,
the
chinese
slack
channel.
I
don't
know
if
that's
been
started
yet,
but
we
can
do
that
and
my
dogs
are
so.