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From YouTube: CHAOSS Asia-Pacific Community Call 6/15/22
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A
And
sean
thank
you
for
continuing
to
share
the
minutes.
Yes
go
overboard,
perhaps
to
the
june
15th
asia,
pacific
community
call.
I
will
share
my
screen.
Let's
see.
A
Make
sure
I
got
the
right
one,
all
right,
so
a
few
things
today,
the
first
and
it's
at
the
bottom
there,
but
just
so
you
all
know
we're
not
gonna
have
really
chaos
meetings
for
the
next
two
weeks,
so
we
won't
have
the
asia
pacific
call
in
two
weeks
and
we
won't
have
the
metrics
model
call
in
a
week.
So
there's
ossna
is
happening
and
then
it's
pretty
close
to
the
u.s
fourth
of
july,
which
is
the
time
we
normally
take
off
anyway.
So
anyway,
there's
just
no
meetings
for
two
weeks.
A
But
that
said,
if
you
are
doing
mentorship,
that
should
still
continue
and
if
you
do
feel
like
meeting,
that's
not
a
problem
at
all,
but
we're
just
the
majority
of
our
meetings
are
not
going
to
happen
so
with
respect
to
mentorship.
The
first
item
we
have
here
is
around
the
conversion
rate
metric
model,
which,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
sean
and
yahui,
we
have
two
people
who
are.
B
A
That's
right?
It
was
a
highway.
Okay,
I'm
seeing
if
it
looks
like
yahooy
dropped
off
so
could
you
maybe
coordinate
with
oh
there's
you
again.
B
Yeah
I
can
coordinate
with
you
huey.
Maybe
we
got
the
other
items
in
the
agenda
because
I
think
mabel
and
highway
were
possibly
going
to
join
this
meeting
at
some
point.
So
hello.
B
A
B
If
you
can
hear
me,
I
think
you've
been
working
with
tyway,
and
so
I
think
to
ensure
that
the
students
are
each
working
on
their
own
distinct
project.
I
could
work.
I
could
work
with
petergia
gramor,
lab
and
mabel
on
a
parallel
project
as
mabel
proposed.
A
C
B
A
Okay,
that's
cool
that.
B
A
Yeah,
we're
not
gonna
get
you
huey
and
I
actually
I
see
taiway
and
mabel
have
joined
so
so
mabel.
We
were
talking
about
the
google
summer
of
code
kind
of,
as
we
talked
about
last
time
in
your
excuse
me,
your
main
point
mentor
will
be
sean
who's
on
this
call
and
so
the
okay
yep,
and
so
the
two
of
you
can
coordinate
and
it
seemed
like
based
on
the
conversation
last
time
you
you
were
inclined
to
do.
The
conversion
rate
work
using
gremore
lab.
Is
that
correct.
A
Right
on
also
not
a
problem,
so
sean
excuse
me,
so
you
and
sean
can
just
kind
of
coordinate
from
this
point
forward,
just
in
terms
of
kind
of
mapping
out
the
project
based
on
what
you
submitted
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
If
that.
B
Health
yeah,
I
would
work
with
grimoire
lab
on
the
parts
that
I
don't
understand.
Yet
they've
been
they're
very
helpful.
They
may
not
have
a
person
as
totally
dedicated,
but
I
I
think
they'll
be
support.
They've
been
supportive
in
the
past,
and
so
I'm
I'm
not
really
worried
about
it,
and
one
of
my
tasks
is
actually
to
get
more
familiar
with
grimoire
lab.
B
A
Okay
right
on
and
then
taiway,
I
don't
know
if
you
can
hear
me
as
well.
It
sounds
like
yeah.
I
can
hear
you
okay
great,
so
your
it
looks
like
your
main
mentor
will
be
yahui,
also
working
on
the
gremore
lab
platform.
If
that's
okay
with
you.
A
Okay,
wonderful,
all
right
great!
So
then,
maybe
the
the
other
thing
to
just
kind
of
make
sure
is
sean
that
you
and
yahui
also
just
kind
of
coordinate,
yeah,
absolutely.
A
C
A
Great,
thank
you.
Maybe
one
one
quick
other
thing
on
summer
of
code
season
of
docs
are
evals.
I'm
kind
of
looking
at
you,
elizabeth,
our
evals
for
season
of
docs
are
due
like
today
through
the
next
four
days.
B
Like
that,
can
you
are
you
planning
on
submitting
those
or
I'm
planning
on
submitting
the
one
for
the
students
that
I'm
mentoring?
I
think
we
had
do.
We
have
three
students
there?
Oh,
I
think
two,
it's
a
root.
Is
it
three
might
be
two
yeah?
Okay,
I'm
gonna
not
miss
remembering
that.
C
B
Do
you
remember
they're.
E
Working
on,
I
think,
olga.
B
Yeah,
oh,
it's
yeah,
yeah,
I've
been
talking
to
him
twice
a
week.
Okay
he's
one
of
our
men
he's
one
of
our
are
you
satyam
is
his
name:
okay,
cool.
E
A
E
And
that
that
actually
reminds
me
shoya,
we
you
and
ruth,
and
I
need
to
like
connect
with
each
other.
I
think,
on
a
few
different
levels.
So
I'll
get
with
you
off
offline
of
this
meeting.
F
Okay,
I'm
me
and
ruse
we
we
meet
two
weeks
two
weeks
at
a
time
and
we
will
have
a
discussion
tomorrow
actually
to
discuss
the
structure
because
we
just
finished
the
finish.
The
review
of
the
old
version
of
the
handbook.
A
A
Okay,
yeah
because
shoya
they're
they're
they're
kind
of
a
few
moving
parts
on
the
the
website
and
the
knowledge
base.
And
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
like
you
and
ruth,
are
kind
of
going
like
working
that
way.
And
then
the
website's
kind
of
going
a
different
way
or
something.
F
Yeah,
I
actually
I
I
do
had
a
doubt.
I
know
something
about
the
knowledge
base
is
happening
in
the
community
and
I
wonder
if
that's
where
we
want
to
put
the
handbook.
Finally,.
E
B
E
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
because
I
wanted
to
connect
that
with
joy
and
ruth,
to
make
sure
that
they
were
working
from
the
right
version
and
yeah,
and
I
have
some
changes
to
make
to
it.
Two
before
I
go
on
vacation,
so
yeah.
A
A
Yeah,
okay,
just
a
note:
we
have
a
chaos.
Asia,
pacific
community,
lead
shoya
has
agreed
to
to
do
that.
Yay.
So
that's
wonderful
and
I
think
community
lead
is
the
the
word
that
that
we're
kind
of
settling
on.
So
that's
the
title
that
we
that
we
use
here
so
show
yeah.
It's
I
mean
you've
done
a
lot
of
this
work
prior
anyway.
A
You
know
what
I
mean
working
with
a
lot
of
folks
in
china.
So
just
so
you
know,
you
know,
show
you
that
ruth
is
the
community
lead
for
chaos,
africa
right.
A
F
Yeah
I'm
flattered,
and
I
really
appreciate
that
by
the
way
I
know
when
the
cause-
africa,
sorry,
it
seems
my
network
okay,
I
I
I
realized
that
there
is
a
twitter
account
of
keos
africa
and
I
wonder
if
we
need
to
set
up
that
kind
of
account
for
kiosk
asia
pacific.
One
of
the
reason
we
haven't
think
about
that,
because
you
know
because
of
the
network
network
issue
many
of
the
people
in
china,
they
won't
visit
twitter
instead.
Instead,
we
have
like
something
like
a
wechat
official
account.
A
So
it's
up
to
you
as
a
community
lead
it's.
So
if
wechat
is
the
way
to
go,
then
then
wechat
is
the
way
to
go.
That's
no
problem!
If
you
think
that
wechat
is
the
best
platform
for
for
china
and
for
asia,
pacific,
then
please
by
all
means
that's
a
and
we
don't
have
to
as
far
as
twitter
goes.
A
If
you
don't
think
that,
like
I
have
here,
asia
chaos,
asia,
pacific,
if
you
don't
think
that
would
be
helpful,
then
there's
really
no
reason
for
us
to
run
that
account
so
totally
up
to
you.
This
is
we're.
Trying
to
you
get
the
decisions
are
yours,
so
you
just
let
us
know
if
you
want
to
set
that
up
and
if
you
think
it
would
be
valuable.
A
Yeah
and
then
you
may
also
want
to
talk
with
with
ruth
we're
talking
about
some
some
branding
stuff,
because
we're
kind
of
redesigning
some
of
the
chaos,
not
the
logo,
but
just
like
some
of
the
artwork
around
the
logo,
and
if,
if
there's
things
that
you
want
to
do,
you
know
like
banners
for
the
web
page
twitter
banners
like
a
wechat
banner.
F
E
And
just
to
add
to
that
one
thing
that
did
come
out
of
the
web
content
meeting
whatever
day
that
was,
or
maybe
it
was
yesterday-
we
we,
I
think,
are
planning
to
have
a
separate
page
on
the
chaos
website
for
chaos,
asia,
pacific
and
one
for
chaos,
africa.
E
So
you,
I
will
have
a
place
to
kind
of
put
everything
that
pertains
to
the
community
that
you're
running,
if
that
makes
sense,
yeah,
absolutely
okay,
we
just
aren't
sure
like
where,
in
the
website
it
will
be
like
what
under
what
heading,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
we
landed
on
having
your
own
separate
page.
For
that
I.
A
Think
so
too,
yep,
okay,
all
right
cool!
So-
and
I
put
this-
isn't
something
that
has
to
like
happen
right
now.
It's
not
like
all
of
a
sudden
you
you
just,
must
do
all
the
things.
That's
not
that's
not
how
this
is
so
just
take
your
time
and,
as
you
think,
about
community
building,
and
then
also
maybe
just
one
last
thing
is,
is
if
we
said
kind
of
make
the
decisions
that
are
important
for
community
for
you
and
we're
here
to
help.
So
it's
it's
we're
here
to
support
so
think
that
way.
G
All
right,
john:
could
you
move
for
a
second.
B
A
All
right
cool
all
right,
so
thank
you,
shorya!
That's
awesome!
I
just
guessed.
It
was
you
because
you
have
a
lot
of
those
like
equipment.
Things.
B
A
Deep
and
blown
randomly
in
the
background,
all
right,
let's
see
so
we
have
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
like
to
do
today
is
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about
just
kind
of
the
structure
of
the
metrics
model.
Repository
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about.
You
know
like
the
implementation,
folder
and
the
data
folder.
You
know
that
whole
this
whole
conversation.
A
I
mean
it's
a
good
conversation.
I
think
there's
a
pull
request
from
yehui
in
there
about
some
from
structural
things,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
we
need
to
get
into
the
the
the
spreadsheets.
A
Like
I
said,
we've
been
working
on
the
github
repository
we've
been
thinking
about
how
the
metrics
models
should
be
like
implemented.
You
know
sean
like
with
the
jupiter
notebooks
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
I
think
we
also
have
to
get
back
to
just
building
the
models
themselves
like
what
the
actual
markdown
file
that
describes
the
model.
A
A
So
would
people
have
an
interest
in
in
kind
of
going
into
this
list
and
and
kind
of
grabbing
a
model?
Let's
start
working
on
you
do
you
have
a
question.
B
A
A
It's
been
forgotten,
so
would
people
have
an
interest
in
just
taking
like
10
minutes
to
take
a
in
to
take
a
look
at
this
sheet
and.
A
A
A
B
Oh
yeah,
I
actually
I've
reviewed
this
and
said
you
just
commented
on
it
yeah
I
was
waiting
for
yeah.
I
didn't
take
a
look
at
it.
It's
okay,
yeah
anyway.
I
think
it's
good
to
go.
It
makes
it's
exactly
what
we
discussed
last
time
with
some
improvements
and
okay.
I
think
it's
time
to
press
forward.
Okay
right
on.
A
A
F
I'm
interested
in
handle
the
community
activity
matrix
model
because
I
know
what
maybe
yeah,
hui
and
jun
the
way
they
propose
it
is
based
on
the
scorecard,
oh,
no,
the
the
crate
quit
critique.
F
Sorry,
I
couldn't
pronounce
that
right
now.
It's
a
way
that
open
ssf
measure
rate.
A
F
We
our
lab,
we
have
always
drug
struggle
for
a
way
to
measure
activity
and
we
can
like
merge
the
the
salt
on
on
this
one.
A
B
H
Yeah
we
already
implement
a
part
of
metric
mario,
like
safety
and
funding.
A
H
Yeah,
I
remember
the
the
the
founding
matrimony
already
merged
by
chancey.
C
A
H
A
E
B
A
Following
yehui's
scheme,
though,
yes
exactly
and
it
needs
to
follow
the
the
the
template
a
little
bit
more
yeah
like
right
now,
it's
off
of
the
template,
it
predates.
A
H
H
H
In
the
in
yeah,
the
newest
pr,
he
already
adds
a
community.
H
A
H
A
A
Okay,
this
is
great.
This
is
exactly
what
we
need,
though
this
is
precisely
it
so
so
it's
like
having
the
description,
this
definition
folder.
I
like
this
around
community
activity,.
A
A
Get
basically
this
document
kind
of
into
the
right
template
and
cleaned
up
a
little
bit
yep,
and
then
that
would
go
into
wherever
we
have
we're.
Gonna
have
to
clean
up
this
repo
a
little
bit,
but
there
would
be
a
new
folder
here
called
definition
and
you'd
put
the
metric
model
in
there
that
markdown
file
in
there
got
it
cool
and
I'll
do
the
same
for
dei
event
badging
any
others
that
in
june
and
chiang
chi,
it
looks
like
maybe
safety
and
funding
could
benefit.
From
the
same
the
same
thing.
A
B
B
A
Maybe
we'll
put
this
on
the
like,
like
first:
let's
get
these
six
done,
these
definitions
done.
H
Maybe
we
could
provide
our
usu
handling
that
about
this
metric
model.
H
Yeah
for
project
engagement-
oh.
A
So
we
should
problems.
What
am
I
doing.
A
Because
you
you're
taking
a
look
at
a
lot
as
well
all
right,
so
this
is
great
because
it
looks
like
we
actually
finished
one
today,
yes,
and
we
have
a
couple
people
kind
of
assigned
to
to
kind
of
lead
the
different
definitions.
A
These
definition
documents
of
the
metric
model
following
the
template
that
we
have
here,
and
so
my
suggestion
is-
is
for
the
the
definition
component
of
it
like
for
june
and
sean
and
elizabeth
that
we
that
just
create
a
google
doc
at
this
point
or
if
there
is
one,
just
worry
about
updating
that
google
doc.
Let's
not
worry
about
getting
it
to
the
repo
at
the
moment,.
A
A
We
just
we
just
need
to
get
these
these
down
a
little
bit.
So
all
right,
let's
move
on
to
the
the
next
thing:
the
chaos
metrics
mind,
map
and
knowledge
base.
F
One,
this
is
actually
a
an
internal
resource.
As
you
can
see,
the
link
has
next
lab
2008.
We
use
this
platform
that
it's
an
online.
It
has
online
map
feature
to
organize
all
the
metrics.
We
had
into
a
mind
map,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
end
up
like
this
like
on
this
platform,
or
I
just
think
mind.
Map
would
be
a
good
idea
to
gather
all
the
metrics
we
have
and
integrate
into
the
knowledge
base
or
put
it
on
the
website
or
somewhere
else.
A
F
You
can
interact
it
with
it
right
now,
but
it
can
also
be.
You
can
also
import
png
or
tpg
file.
F
Yes,
I
think
if
you
yeah,
it
doesn't
support
version
control.
That's
why
I
said
we
don't
have
to
use
this
platform
as
the
final
tool
to
visualize
the
mind
map,
but
this
is
just
an
initial
idea
to
put
a
map
in
to
chaos,
knowledge
base
or
on
the
website.
A
F
Yes,
that
was
generated.
I
use
mark
map,
which
you
can
use
c
cl
cli
tool
to
generate
a
markdown
file
to.
G
F
Image
and
yes,
you
can
use
a
markdown
file
to
and
put
it
on
under
repository
to
do
the
version,
control,
stuff.
A
What,
if
we
so
you,
you
think
trey,
you
think
this
would
be
useful
for
the
metrics
and
the
metrics
models
both.
F
Yes,
because
we
kind
of
have
a
very
hierarchy
structure
regarding
the
matrix
model
and
metric.
I
think
this
is
a
way
for
us
to
like
it's
a
good
way
for
both
newcomers
and
to
know
the
structure
of
metrics.
We
have
and
also
a
way
for
us
who
are
familiar
with
this
network,
maybe
to
find
to
find
them
and
to
review
them.
A
I,
like
I
like
this:
what
what
do
you
think
about
maybe
starting
with
metrics
models,
so
this
would
be
like
chaos,
metrics
models
and
then
like
this
one
evolution
would
be
like
whatever
community
activity.
You
know
what
I
mean
and
then
you
would
click
on
community
activity,
and
it
would
show
you
the
whatever
the
five
metrics
that
we
use
to
define
community
activity.
F
Yes,
absolutely
but
another
another
thing
I
want
to
discuss
is:
where
are
we
where
maybe
in
the
future
we
are?
Where
do
we
wish
to
put
something
like
this
right.
A
A
E
I
think
that,
yes,
I
really
like
this
a
lot
as
far
as
the
visualization
goes.
I
I
don't.
E
F
I
think
this
should
this
would
be
an
an
ongoing
discussion
and
actually
me
myself,
als
still
need
to
find
a
maybe
a
better
tool
to
illustrate
all
the
metrics
or
for
a
mattress
model.
How
could
how
to
maybe
to
it
to
interact
with
it,
because
right
now
on
this
platform,
it
only
supports
if
you
want
to
import
sorry,
if
you
want
to
like
to
export
it
you,
what
do
you
get,
would
be
a
stat
static
image.
I
A
Yeah
I
like
that
yeah
kevin
should
certainly
know
we
had
a
was
it
yesterday,
a
conversation
about
the
the
website
and
the
knowledge
base
about
searchability
of
it
and
like
how
we
can
actually
search
the
knowledge
base.
I'm
wondering
if
this
could
be
like
an
approach
for
browsing
the
knowledge
base,
because,
like
right
now,
you
can't
we're
trying
to
think
about
how
to
help
people
navigate.
The
many
things
that
we
have
I
mean
search
is
certainly
one
feature,
but
this
is
pretty
helpful
from
a
browsing
perspective.
F
Yes,
I
agree,
it
would
be
even
better
if
it
supports
hyperlink
that
you
just
click
on
a
metric
that
which
can
redirect
you
to
the
page
of
that
metric.
E
Yeah
agreed,
I
think
it
would
definitely
have
to
be
interactive.
Although
there
could
we
could
have
a
version
that
was
static,
maybe
that
we
put
in
our
pdf
like
at
the
top
of
the
pdf,
just
to
give
like
a
high
level,
here's
how
they
all
work
and
then
keep
going.
If
you
want
to
read
more
but
yeah,
I
really
like
it.
E
A
E
The
only
question
I
have
and
sorry,
if
I
missed
someone
saying
this,
but
are
we
still
considering
kind
of
standardizing
the
focus
areas
across
the
focus,
so
that
might
affect
how
we
put
this
chart
together
or
this
map
together?
If
we
want
to
have
it
in
a
different
way
of
like
here's,
all
the
things
like
you
know
what
I'm
saying
like
you
could
also
do
here's
the
way
we
do.
E
H
Maybe
it's
called
like
a
landscape,
you,
you
can
see
some
other
companies
they're
trying
to
describe
their
service
or
some
other
things.
H
Then
maybe
they
had
a
big
landscape
and
to
describe
to
this
to
describe
their
metric
to
describe
all
metrics
and
maybe.
A
E
I
Standard
open
source-
or
they
use
some
standard
open
source
software
to
generate
those.
So
everybody
knows
about
the
one
for
the
cncf,
but
there's
also
one
for
the
to-do
group.
There's
one
for
lfai.
There
are
like
a
couple
dozen
of
these
landscape
maps,
so
we
could
always
if
we
wanted
to
build
one.
If
we
wanted
to
do.
I
E
Yeah,
I
didn't
know
that
that's
what
that
was
called
yeah.
That's
a
little
overwhelming
to
me
when
I
look
at
that.
A
E
G
A
Display
the
the
things
that
we
have
so
and
just
to
that
final
point
of
nowhere
at
the
end
of
time,
but
elizabeth
when
you
were
talking
about
standardizing
the
focus
areas,
common
has
kind
of
done
this
with
contributions,
time
people
in
place,
and
the
idea
is
that,
for
example,
event
or
I'm
sorry
dei
would
also
have
contributions
time.
People
in
place
and
value
would
also
have
contributions
time.
A
People
in
place,
we'd,
have
a
selection
of
about
10
different
focus
areas
that
are
kind
of
standard,
but
that's
that's
the
goal,
and
then
your
point,
elizabeth,
I
think,
was
like
show
me
all
the
things
associated
with
people.
E
A
A
Show
me
all
the
people
coming
from
whatever
working
group.
It
might
be
yep,
okay,
cool,
all
right,
a
reminder:
we
don't
have
a
meeting
in
two
weeks,
so
we
have
a
meeting
again
in
four
weeks,
so
we're
taking
a
little
bit
of
time
off
for
those
of
you
that
are
going
to
ossna
enjoy
yourself.