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From YouTube: CHAOSS Asia-Pacific Community Call 4/6/22
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B
A
C
A
All
right
well
welcome
everybody.
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
things
today.
I
thought
we
could
maybe
talk
a
little
bit
about
things
that
are
happening
in
the
chaos
project,
just
to
kind
of
keep
people
posted,
because
I
think
it's
important
that
with
our
friends
in
in
the
asia
pacific
region
that
you
also
kind
of
know
what
else
we're
doing
in
the
chaos
project.
A
B
Oh,
I
think
I
think
I
was
on
that
meeting.
We
talked.
B
B
A
Well,
let's
I
got
it
on
the
agenda:
we'll
get
there
right,
okay,
cool,
so
the
first
I
think,
is
translations.
So
the
chinese
translations.
Thank
you.
Everybody
who's,
helping
out
there.
We,
the!
I
think
the
review
period
is
over
elizabeth.
Correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
but
the
review
period
for
metrics
is
done
or
sean
correct
me.
It
happened.
A
So
for
folks,
just
so
you
know
we're
kind
of
talking
to
the
working
groups
just
to
make
sure
that
they
all
have
the
any
metric
any
new
metric
that
they
have
posted
properly
in
the
translations
repository.
A
I
honestly
think
we're
pretty
good.
I've
done.
Some
review
tried
to
like
cross-reference
the
spreadsheet
that
we
have.
You
know
what
I
mean
with
what's
marked
on
the
web
page
is
under
review
with
what
I'm
seeing
in
the
translation
repo,
but
it's
probably
worth
just
one
more
check
here
at
the
end.
So
as
kevin
is
kind
of
organizing
things,
yesterday,
kevin
had
said,
I
think
the
release
the
plan
release
is
still
like
a
week
or
two
away.
A
You
know
what
I
mean
like
there's,
not
a
huge
rush
at
this
point,
and
I
think
kevin
just
wants
to
take
his
time
and
get
it
done
right.
So
does
anybody
else
have
any
comments
on
on
that
or
concerns
from
the
translations
work
or
anything
like
that?.
C
A
Good
idea,
so
maybe
maybe
we
could
open
an
issue
with
that
disclaimer
statement,
although
in
the
new
metrics
that
disclaimer
isn't
it.
A
A
Exactly
okay,
yep
and
we'll
just
so
basically
for
everybody,
there's
a
data,
privacy
and
ethics
statement
that
we
are
adding
to
the
metrics
and
if
you've
been
doing
the
translations,
I'm
sure
you
saw
that
and
that's
a
it's,
a
relatively
new
statement
that
we've
added,
like
maybe
in
the
last
six
months
to
metrics.
So
every
metric
that
was
released
prior
to
that
does
not
have
that
statement
in
there
and
but
elizabeth
kevin,
and
I
are
just
kind
of
going
back
through
the
old
metrics
to
kind
of
add
that
statement
and
check
check.
A
You
are
yep,
you
are
so
so
I
think,
with
the
translation
that
occurs
this
time
around,
that
block
of
text
is
something
that
we
can
copy
and
paste
pretty
easily
in
prior
versions.
So
I
don't
think
we'd
need
much
translation
work
on
that,
so
hopefully
that
makes
sense
all
right
so
again,
thank
you.
Any
other
comments
from
from
folks
helping
with
transformations
again
really
amazing,
all
right.
A
Yeah,
so
we're
trying
to
we're
trying
to
thanks
for
bringing
that
up
we're
trying
to
build
community
around
spanish
translations
as
well.
So
that's
something
that
we're
hoping
to
do,
probably
in
2022,
so
celia,
yang
who's,
helping
with
some
of
our
dei
efforts
is,
is
taking
a
look
at
that
and
she's
she's,
really
just
kind
of
following
the
model
that
you
all
have
put
together
with
the
chinese
translations.
So
that
was
a
huge
help.
D
A
So
I
will
say
I
think
that
the
next,
maybe
we
might
want
to
think
about
this
a
little
bit.
My
guess
is
that
the
next
round
of
metrics,
the
next
release
of
metrics,
is
going
to
have
a
lot
of
priorly
priorly
released
metrics
that
are
going
to
be
under
review.
A
You
know
what
I
mean
so
like
a
metric
from
three
years
ago,
it's
possible
that
a
working
group
is
going
to
take
a
look
at
that
metric
and
be
like
this
is
kind
of
outdated.
We
need
to
update
some
of
the
language
and
some
of
the
way
we
talk
about
the
metric,
so
we
might.
A
A
Okay,
I
think
it's
that
comments.
It's
really
just
about
maintaining
maintenance
of
our
metrics,
not
necessarily
always
creating
new
ones,
but
reflecting
on
our
existing
metrics
and
working
to
improve
them,
always
all
right
good
again,
thank
you,
a
big
thank
you
to
everybody,
and
if
time
is
an
issue,
just
don't
hesitate
to,
let
us
know
just
here
are
some
updates
from
the
chaos
community,
so
we
are
involved
in
three
different
mentorship
programs
at
the
moment.
Is
that
correct
elizabeth?
A
Yeah,
so
with
respect
to
chico
to
africa
elizabeth,
do
you
want
to
talk
about
that
just
a
little
bit,
yeah.
C
I'd
love
to
I'd
love
to
so
we
kicked
that
mentorship
program
off
yesterday
we
have
two
students
and
they're
going
to
be
working
on
some
slack
bots
to
help
us
make
the
newcomer
experience
a
little
better
by
pointing
them
to
relevant
resources
and
things,
and
I'm
very
excited
about
this-
the
nice
thing
about
about
sheet
code.
Africa
is
they
did
the
pre-screening
for
us,
so
they
get
all
the
applications
and
then
they
decide
who
gets
in
and
who
doesn't
and
then
they
assign
us
two
people
so
well
yeah.
C
They
signed
us
two
people,
so
that
was
kind
of
amazing.
Sorry
from
the
from
the
org
perspective,
it
was
really
fantastic
and
we
have
a.
There
is
a
slack
channel
for
she
code,
africa
that
we're
using
to
just
kind
of
kind
of
facilitate
and
organize
that
project.
It's
a
shorter
project
as
well.
It's
eight
weeks
total,
but
really
the
meat
of
it
is
like
four
to
six.
C
A
Outreachy
has,
if
you
haven't
noticed
in
slack,
has
resulted
in
a
whole
lot
of
traffic,
so
in
the
currently
in
the
outreachy
slack
channel,
I
think
we
have
135
members
it's
insane,
which
is.
It
went
from
zero
like
two
weeks
ago
to
135
people
who
have
an
expressed
interest
in
outreachy.
A
We
were
not
expecting
that
so
I
kind
of
apologize
for
the
volume
of
traffic
on
slack
and
the
postings
to
general
and
newcomer
and
like
last
time
we
did
outreachy
we
had.
Maybe
six
people
expressed
an
interest
six
and
so
130
again
we
just
weren't
expecting
that
at
all,
so
we
and
outreachy
is.
We
only
have
one
position
available
in
outreachy,
so
it's
it's
gonna,
be
I
mean
it's
less
than
one
percent
right
in
terms
of
selecting
somebody
to
work
in
the
outreach
project,
so
sean.
A
A
B
A
Take
a
call
yeah,
that's
fine,
and
so
we
had
a
like
just
the
session
just
in
terms
of
sean
providing
guidance
to
the
outreachy
interested
candidates.
So
thank
you
sean
for
that
and
I
think
he
may
be
providing
another
one
as
well.
A
So
there
still
may
be
some
some
work
being
done,
but
we're
going
to
continue
to
try
to
get
people
to
go
to
the
richie
channel
and
ask
questions
there.
So
if
anybody
honestly,
if
anybody
on
this
call,
is
on
the
slack
channels-
and
you
see
people
maybe
introducing
themselves
in
the
general
channel
or
introducing
themselves
in
the
newcomer
channel,
you
can
say
thank
you.
Please
check
out
the
outreachy
channel
as
an
appropriate
place
to
to
have
your
outreachy
discussions.
C
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
right
venue,
but
something
interesting.
I
learned
two
interesting
things
about
outreachy
yesterday
from
the
office
hours
the
regular
office
hours,
one
is
that
they
are
outreachy.
I
guess
had
also
presented
their
mentorship
program
at
conferences,
and
so
that's
why
we're
getting
the
influx
because
they
really
ramped
up.
I
guess
their
promotion
of
that.
C
Didn't
know
the
second
thing
was
outreach.
Applicants
are
required
to
link
to
the
pr
that
they
submit
when
they
apply.
So
that's
why
we're
also
getting
a
lot
of
people
who
are
like?
What
can
I?
What
can
I
do
what
you
know?
What
what
can
I?
Where
can
I
merge,
which
I
want
to
talk
to
sage
about
that,
because
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
helping
out
other
people
they're
attending
the
meetings
and
that
doesn't
get
counted
anywhere,
and
so,
if.
F
C
A
A
That
does
make
sense
and
that
I
can
see
that
as
problematic,
because
in
the
couple
weeks
that
people
have
the
opportunity
to
to
like
demonstrate
engagement
with
a
community
like
doing
a
pr
to
fix
a
typo
is
not
a
green
pr.
You
know
like
a
just
a
grammar
error
and
then
doing
a
pr
to
make
a
change
to
the
project.
I
mean
there's
really
no
way
that
we
could
handle
130
like
substantial
changes
to
the
chaos
project
in
in
a
couple
weeks.
There's
just
no
way.
C
Yeah,
it
doesn't
seem
like
a
very
good
model
there
and
I.
C
A
I
agree,
and
I
mean
I
I
was
also
like
on
the
code.
Contributions
like
prs
are
to
me
sometimes
kind
of
an
earned
like
level
of
trust
so
like
if
you
always
submits
a
pr,
I'm
pretty
sure
it's
like
in
the
best
interest
of
the
chaos
project
and
I'll.
You
know
what
I
mean
like
there's
an
understanding
of
the
project
and
it's
probably
tied
to
an
earlier
conversation.
It's
probably
tied
to
some
improvement
somewhere,
but
with
130
like
that
earned
level
of
trust.
Just
isn't
there.
A
A
Elizabeth,
like
I
actually
look
at,
I
mean
things
that
sort
of
matter
to
me
is
are
like
attending
of
the
thing
that
sean
went
to
or
the
thing
that
sean
hosted
like
that
matters,
like
that's
a
out
of
130
people,
if
you're
taking
time
to
attend
that
meeting
that
that
matters
to
me
and
if
you're
attending
the
weekly
meeting,
you
know
what
I
mean
like
just
to
unders
that
matters
to
me
as
well,
because
that's
trying
to
understand
the
project
yeah.
A
A
Agreed
elizabeth,
did
you
have
a
comment
too?
Okay,
so
so
just
hang
in
there
with
us,
everybody
we're
working
on
it
and
the
traffic
should
change
significantly
in
the
next
two
weeks.
A
The
other
one
is
google
summer
of
code.
That
seems
a
little
bit
better,
just
in
terms
of
volume.
As
far
as
I
can
tell,
I
don't
know
what
other
people's
have
that.
D
A
Okay-
and
I
haven't
gotten
the
sense-
how
many
had
expressed
interest
to
you-
you
maybe
just
a
couple.
D
I
I
have
three
students
coming
to
me:
okay,
and
to
ask
if,
if
they
they
can,
they
can
draw
on
this.
A
A
Let
me
come
back
here
and
share
my
screen,
so
we
can
summer
of
code
interest.
We
do
have
one
that's
been
merged,
so
this
is
the
way
we
do
it.
You
know
what
I
mean
that
we
have
people
do
some
micro
tasks,
I'm
trying
to
see.
We
have
a
couple
pull
requests.
A
B
A
A
A
And
then
what
they
do
is
for
each
thing
that
they
have
an
interest
in.
So
we
have
a
set
of
ideas
that
we
had
submitted
to
google
for
google
summer
of
code,
and
so
here
are
the
google
number
of
code
ideas
and
it
has
associated
micro
tasks
that
we
ask
them
to
complete.
So,
hopefully
they've
seen
this
too.
A
D
A
A
A
I
just
wanted
to
keep
you
updated
on
some
dei
initiatives
that
we're
thinking
about
as
well.
I
think
a
lot
of
you
know
that
we
have
like
one
of
our
metrics
models.
Is
the
dei
event
badging
program?
You
know,
so
we
have
the
event
badging
program.
So
as
events
want
to
think
about
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion,
they
can
submit
a
request
for
a
badge
and
we've
had
a
lot
of
success
in
that.
A
A
Okay,
open
source
summit-
north
america
is
one
that's
either
under
review
or
currently
in
in
review
or
has
been
reviewed.
So
it's
really
it's
great
to
see
these
really
kind
of
large
events.
We
do
kubecon
as
well.
A
So
one
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
doing
in
2022
is
starting
to
expand
the
badging
program
to
include
projects,
so
a
project
could
submit
a
request
to
an
open
source
project
could
submit
a
request
around
dei,
we're
not
quite
sure
what
that
would
look
like
yet
so
from
an
event
perspective,
it's
pretty
straightforward,
because
the
event
has
a
time
boundedness
to
it,
and
the
things
we
ask
are
usually
just
on
an
event
website.
A
There's
also
way
more
projects
than
there
are
events
from
an
open
source
perspective.
So
we
need
to
consider
that
as
well
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
have
trouble
with
not
trouble
but
like
just
we're
always
thinking
about
it
with
respect
to
the
event.
Badging
program
is
the
number
of
reviewers
that
are
available.
A
It's
a
human
review
process
and
I'm
not
entirely
sure
that
we
can
do
this
with
projects
like
if
we
had
two
two
required
human
reviewers
for
every
project
and
we
had
100
projects
submit.
We
just
don't
have
that
capacity,
that's
just
not
available,
so
that
doesn't
keep
us
from
thinking
about
it.
I
don't
think,
but
I
think
the
model
the
workflow
is
going
to
have
to
be
different
for
projects
and
I'm
not
sure
what
that
different
looks
like
yet.
A
So
if
you
have
thoughts,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
now,
but
if
you're,
just
thinking
about
it,
how
we
might
go
about
asking
projects
like?
Where
is
your
code
of
conduct?
How
do
you
consider
enforcement?
You
know
what
are
your
paths
to
maintainership
like
the
metrics
that
we
have
in
chaos
that
we
could
ask
them.
D
A
That
how
we
would
scale
that
model,
if
you
have
thoughts,
that'd,
be
great
so.
A
The
other
just
two
from
a
dei
initiative
perspective,
we're
also
going
to
be
talking
with
on
the
25th
of
april,
or
something
like
that.
On
a
monday
yeah,
the
25th
of
april
joanne
lee
has
has
agreed
to
come
to
our
one
of
our
dei
meetings
and
she's,
going
to
talk
about
code
of
conduct
with
us,
so
she
this
is
kind
of
for
elizabeth
and
sean
too
so
code
of
conduct
enforcement
is
a
kind
of
a
growing
concern
in
at
least
in
the
united
states.
A
So
if
there's
a
it's
one
thing
to
have
a
code
of
conduct
and
be
able
to
point
to
it,
it's
another
to
be
able
to
enforce
a
code
of
conduct.
So
from
a
from
what
I
understand
from
a
legal
perspective,
it
can
be
quite
complicated
that
if
you
kick
somebody
out
of
a
project
and
kind
of
give
them
a
negative
mark
for
being
a
bad
actor,
that
could
have
implications
for
their
career
yeah.
A
So
if
somebody,
for
example,
was
kicked
out
of
the
kubernetes
community
and
they
work
at
a
company
that
requires
kubernetes
engagement
like
that,
there
are
legal
concerns,
at
least
in
the
u.s.
So
we
need
to
understand
what
enforcement
parameters
are
and
I
don't
I
don't
think
I
know
what
they
are
elizabeth.
I
don't
think
you
necessarily
don't
know
what
they
are
they're
very
complicated.
A
C
No,
I
was
gonna
say
I
I
know
generally
what
they
are,
but
not
like.
I,
it
wouldn't
stand
up
in
court,
we'll
just
put
it
that
way,
and
I
don't
know
I'm
not
familiar
enough
with
other
countries
as
well
and
like
where
does
the
project
live
like
what
country
are
you
you
know?
Is
it
github,
because
it's
yeah
there's
a
lot
there's
a
lot
so.
A
So
we
need
to
so
joanna
is,
is
being
very
kind
to
come
to
a
meeting
and
kind
of
give
us
kind
of
where
she's
at
in
the
structure-
and
I
think
she
does
a
lot
of
really
great
work
in
this
area.
So
I'm
very
happy
about
that.
So
it's
for
our
own
project,
but
also
maybe
parameters
for
other
projects
as
well.
I
mean
if
we
could
share
some
of
that
information.
That
would
be
wonderful.
F
Do
we
have
any
do
we
have
any
talk
talk
we
can
say
about
the
history
discussion
about
the
ti.
A
So,
just
in
terms
of
dei
in
general,
we
do
have
kind
of
long-standing
discussions
in
our
work
group
meetings
either
only
yeah
yeah,
maybe
elizabeth
or
sean.
Could
you
maybe
put
a
link
in
here.
A
F
A
F
F
A
11
o'clock,
your
time,
11
p.m
like
in
the
evening.
Your
time,
that's
pretty
late,
yeah
but
but
june
I
mean,
if
you
have
an
interest
in
this,
we
would
definitely
find
a
way
to
to
include
you
in
this
discussion,
because
we're
always
looking
for
more
perspectives.
B
Thank
you,
I'm
putting,
then
I'm
putting
the
links
in
the
the
chat,
but
I
can
also
put
them
in
the.
A
Again,
this
is
just
you
know,
kind
of
an
overview
of
what's
happening
in
chaos
right
now.
So
just
so,
you
understand,
I
think,
it's
important
to
maintain
these
connections.
We
are
planning
on
running
a
chaos
con
europe
in
connection
with
open
source
summit.
F
A
B
Do
you
know
if
it's
open
we
talked
about
in
the
meeting
yesterday
and
I
think
there
were
a
few
small
changes
that
were
required.
So
my
guess
is
coming.
A
And
we're
going
to
be
doing
kind
of
three
talks,
so
one
is
going
to
be
an
in-person
talk
and
then
one
will
be
a
live.
I
think
we're
doing.
Are
we
doing
live
video,
at
least
yes,
we
are.
I.
A
A
You
know
what
I
mean
yep,
so
you
are
more
than
welcome
to
participate
in
that
way
and
we'd
love
to
have
you
participate
as
well.
So
I
mean.
E
B
B
A
Oh
yeah,
we
do
have
a
question
about
code
of
content
that
I
have
not
sent.
So
we
have
our
own
code
of
conduct
and
the
foundation
has
a
code
of
conduct,
yeah
and
they're
different,
just
because
it's
like
different
like
like.
If
there's
an
incident,
where
do
you
report
it
yeah
they're,
not
wildly
different
they're,
just
no
different.
E
A
There
you
go,
I
think
kevin
like
like
whatever
his
name
is
sean,
I'm
looking
right
at
you,
too
sean
kevin
the
steven
sitting
right
there,
and
so
I
just
think
there
are
a
few
little
details
that
need
to
be
just
kind
of
sorted
out
just
in
terms
of
where
the
links
go.
You
know
what
I
mean
submit
your
proposal
right
here.
This
is
the
form
that
elizabeth
had
put
together.
A
C
Think
that
was
based
on
feedback.
That's
why
I
was
getting
a
little
confused,
because
that
was
based
on
feedback
from
the.
C
Con
so,
but
that
being
said,
I
think
we
also
had
talked
about
accepting
recorded
talks
but
showing
them
separately
or
doing
something
different.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
space
for
that
in
this
form
or
where
we
would
want
to
put
that.
C
They
we
were
limiting
it
to
10
minutes,
because
that
was
the
feedback
we
got
last
time
was
that
the.
A
A
A
A
A
So
I
think
we're
getting
pretty
good
here,
just
a
few
little
details
to
sort
out
and
if
anybody
I
mean
honestly
in
terms
of
like
joining
the
chaos
con
committee,
if
anybody
wants
to
help
review
submissions
that
come
in
or
kind
of
give
feedback,
don't
hesitate
to.
Let
us
know
we're
happy
to
to
include
you
in
that
process
as
well.
A
All
right.
Thank
you.
Any
questions
on
chaos
con
starting
to
see
people
in
person.
That's
great
metrics
work.
I
think
we
kind
of
talked
about
this
sean.
I
just
I
wanted
to
bring
this
up
for
you,
so
one
of
the
things
that
we're
focusing
on
in
2022
is
creating
more
community
around
auger
and
around
software
yeah,
both
of
them.
A
So
yes,
so
we
have
a
pretty
good,
like
community,
around
metrics
and
metrics
models
and
dei
event
badging,
like
these
programs,
but
one
of
the
challenges
that
we've
had
really
throughout
the
process
of
chaos
is
building
community
sustained,
sustained
community
around
software
development.
So
sean
do
you
have
thoughts
on
on
this
and
kind
of
where
you're
at
I.
B
Mean
where
we're
at
is
we
daniel,
and
I
spoke
with
his
team
when
we
were
in
spain
last
week
or
the
week
before,
I'm
losing
track.
I
think
it
was
last
week.
A
B
And
we're
gonna
each
install
the
others
tools
and
get
them
working
and
then
begin
to
develop
pathways
that
we
can
push
forward
sort
of
support
of
the
metrics
models
and
support
of
gremore
lab
so
that
people
could
have
like
working
models
of
augering
the
more
lab
and
learn
how
to
contribute
to
each
project.
A
B
But
only
I
mean
we're
just
getting
started
so
only
in
very
general
terms,
and
that's
the
that's
the
part
that
I
think
we
each
have
to
figure
out,
so
it
requires
a
little
more
knowledge
of
on
my
part
of
the
more
lab
and
grammar.
That's
part
of
augur.
Okay,
that's
the
first
step.
Okay,.
D
D
Yeah
yeah,
I
I
I
spent
like
a
half
an
hour
hour
to
to
to
introduce
the
community
activity
this
matrix
model.
I
compare.
I
I
choose
two
communities
and
to
anonymize
these
two
communities
name,
because
I
have
no
intention
to
say
which
is
vital
or
not.
I
just
using
this
matrix
model
to
show
its
effectiveness
of
the
of
this
model
and
how
to
use
in
grim
lab
to
collect
data
to
to
to
how
to
how
to
analysis.
D
The
final
result
as
a
general
and
also
you
can
you,
can
searching,
go
inside
into
each
of
single
matrix
and
to
to
see
what's
wrong
with
the
with
with
the
detailed
information.
D
So
I
think
we
can
use
this
way
to
to
showing
how
to
how
to
using
green
light
to
the
first
work.
A
I
like
this
a
lot
because
and
sean
this
may
be
a
path
for
community
building,
because
if
I
think
about
a
lot
of
open
source
projects,
contributions
to
the
software
projects
themselves
are
not
because
I
love
that
piece
of
software.
It's
because
I'm
trying
to
do
something
with
that
software.
B
Mean
yeah
the
other
I
was
looking
for
my
notes,
the
other.
The
thing
we
discussed
is
increasing
engagement
of
corporations
and
providing
pathways
for
organizations
to
contribute
and
potentially
commit
developer
development
time
to
the
chaos
software
suite
and
that's
another
possibility
that
we've
discussed.
B
C
So
I
was
just
going
to
add
that
promotion
is,
is
a
big
piece
of
that
I
think
too,
and
that
kind
of
goes
in
aligns
with
the
increasing
corporate
engagement,
but
also
increasing
usage
and
promoting
the
software
a
little
more
effectively
because
like
right
now
we
don't
really
show
who's
using
auger
who's.
I
mean
maybe
grammar.
A
So
what
if
the
angle
was
kind
of
like
what
yehui
was
talking
about,
that
was
you
meaning
company
or
you
meaning
person
need
metric
models,
but,
like
that's
the
you
need
these
things
to
help
understand
the
communities
you
care
about,
like
that's
the
first
entry
now
in
order
to
deploy
them,
you
need
auger
and
gremore
lab.
A
So
when
yahui
is
trying
to
deploy
a
metric
model
in
gremore
lab,
I'm
guessing
that,
like
like
raised
some
issues
for
you
with
respect
to
the
software,
there
are
things
that
maybe
weren't
perfect
in
the
software,
and
so
the
the
goal
is,
is
to
fix
that
piece
of
software
to
to
get
the
metric
model
that
you
want.
A
Does
that
make
sense
like
people
contribute
to,
for
example,
kubernetes?
Not
because
they
love
kubernetes,
but
because
they're
deploying
kubernetes
within
their
organization,
and
it's
not
doing
what
they
want
it
to
do,
so
they
contribute
back
upstream
to
get
kubernetes
to
do
what
they
wanted
to
do,
and
I'm
wondering
if
metric
models
might
be
like
that.
That
expressed
interest
from
people
is
that
I
don't
know
if
this
is
making
sense
like
you,
don't
contribute
to
augur
just
because
for
augur's
sake
or
you
don't
contribute
to
grimoire
lab
for
more
lab's
sake.
A
You
contribute
to
them
because
you're
trying
to
get
them
to
do
something
for
you
and
and
maybe
metrics
models
are
those
things
that
we
want.
Thoughts
are
on
that
or
if
I'd
made
no
sense,
it's
possible.
I
made
no
sense.
B
A
B
We-
and
we
want
to-
we
want
people
to
this-
is
where
the
promotion
that
elizabeth
mentioned
comes
in,
because
I
think
we
want
to
help
promote
her
more
lab
a
bit
more.
I
I
think
that
they
feel
awkward
about
doing
it
themselves,
and
so
I
think
putting
it
in
the
newsletter
prompts
us
to
prepare
stuff,
and
you
know
to
be
promoting
the
tools,
and
you
know
different
characteristics
of
them.
A
B
B
A
B
A
I
need
the
end
of
the
line,
that's
what
I
need
yeah,
and
so
maybe
the
promotion
is
I'm
just
thinking.
Maybe
it's
metrics
models
like
even
like,
like
I'm
thinking
like
dei
badging
like
I
don't
know
that
people
tremendously
care
about
the
workflow
like
that
you're
doing
elizabeth
around
the
ee.
Imagine
they
just
want
the
badge
they
want
to
show
the
things
that
they're
doing
and
there's
a
badge
that
comes
from
that
and
that's
and
the
software
is
the
same.
D
All
right
now
I
have
to
mention
that
they
are
true,
and
I
I
don't
agree
with
that,
especially
for
for
my
company.
You
know
my
company
know
just
running
for
the
open
source,
doing
a
lot
of
contribution
for
the
open
source,
but
also
for
the
inner
source.
There
are
lots
of
projects
we're
running
at
the
inner
source
projects,
and
they
are.
D
They
have
a
lot
of
requirements
just
like
the
to
to
to
using
some
some
tools,
similarly
like
auger
or
grimlock,
to
help
them
to
to
to
measure
the
inner
source
project
to
see
if
it's
healthy
or
not,
but
they
really
don't
care
how
to
how
to
implement
such
tools.
You
just
told
me
how
to
install
these
tools
and
quickly,
to
help
make
up
to
tell
me
what's
the
result
of
of
the
project
situation.
A
Yeah
and
then
contributions
would
come
if,
if
the
results
aren't
necessarily
what
say,
somebody
and
huawei
wants
to
see
and
contributions
can
go
back
to
augur
to
help
that
what
needs
to
be
seen.
Yeah
yeah,
that's
true,
sean!
I
don't
know
what
you
think
about
this.
I
mean
I'm
totally.
No,
no.
I
think
it's
making
a
lot.
D
I
also
touched
why
google
google
talk
about
community
activity
because
in
the
two
toolkit
part,
I
introduced
how
to
analysis
these
visualizations
based
on
my
understanding.
So
I
think
it
would
help
someone
to
understand
how
to
use
this
matrix
model
to
matter
their
community's
activities.
D
A
F
A
Was
great
before
the
next
community
caller
the
next
metrics
model
call
okay,
great
wonderful,
so
hopefully
this
was
helpful
for
people.
I
think
sometimes
it's
just
important
that
we
kind
of
talk
about
what's
happening
in
the
chaos
project
as
a
whole.
So
again
our
friends
in
asia,
pacific
region,
kind
of
know
what
we're
working
on
that
may
not
be
occurring
in
this
meeting.
So
we
are
at
the
end
of
our
time.
Was
there
anything
we're
at
the
end
of
the
time?
Is
there
anything
anybody
wanted
to
bring
up?
D
I
first
want
to
say
story
because
in
china
we
just
travel
three
days
vacation.
So
I
cannot.
I
missed
the
forum.
A
No
problem
yeah
we're
kind
of
talking
through
it.
I
think
we're
making
pretty
good
progress
on
the
forum
meeting
discussion
so
and
I'm
glad
you
had
a
holiday
for
some
time
on
yeah
everybody.
A
D
A
Thanks
all
right,
everybody
have
a
great
week
and
yeah
we'll
talk
to
you
very
soon.
I
think
yeah
I'll
be
the
metrics
okay,
bye.