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A
All
right,
hi,
hi,
everybody
so
kind
of
a
light
group
today,
yeah
and
and
actually
don
we're
gonna,
be
revisiting.
Some
things
from
yesterday's
community
call
basically
just
kind
of
taking
a
look
at
the
goals
so.
B
I'm
going
to
be
multitasking
anyways
because
I
just
got
my
new
work
laptop,
the
new
one
every
three
years,
but
that
means
that
I'm
re-logging
into
everything
my.
B
D
B
Yes,
that
would
be.
That
would
be
super
easy,
except
that
I
tried
that
and
it
screwed
up
all
of
the
vmware
stuff.
Oh,
they.
D
D
D
B
B
Most
of
my
most
of
my
stuff
is
either
stored
in
git
or
onedrive
or
google
drive.
So
so
from
that
standpoint,
like
the
documents
and
stuff
aren't
a
big
deal,
it's
just
like
get
configurations
and.
A
A
To
the
chaos
board,
that's
absolutely
fantastic,
so
you
know
I
don't
know
how
much
you
kind
of
know
what
the
expectations
are,
but
we
have
two
meetings
as
a
board
a
year.
I
would
say
that
I
think
don
and
sean
can
kind
of
attest
to
this.
The
email
traffic
is
very
light
over
the
course
of
the
year,
particularly
to
the
for
the
board
members,
and
typically
the
board
meeting
is
also
pretty
light.
It's
mostly
just
a
kind
of
an
update
of
things
that
were
we've
been
working
on
over
the
past
six
months.
A
A
So
you
know
this
is
great,
so
it's
it's,
but
but
we
have
a
lot
of
feedback
from
from
board
members
as
well,
and
I
think
it's
great
personally
to
have
you
on
the
board,
because
you
are
such
an
active
member
in
in
the
asia,
pacific
call
and
the
metrics
model
working
group.
So
I
really
like
to
have
kind
of
the
active
board
members,
which
is
just
absolutely
wonderful
to
see.
So
congratulations
and
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
A
So
you,
if
you
could
send
we're
gonna,
need
us
just
a
picture
of
you
in
a
small
bio.
You
could
take
a
look
at
the
chaos,
the
current
website
that
we
have
for
board
members
and
you
can
send
that
directly
to
kevin.
A
I
put
his
email
address
in
the
minutes
there,
so
he
just
needs
that
really
simple
stuff
from
you
and
then
we'll
get
that
updated
on
the
website
and
the
bio
can
be
anything
about
you
so
and
then
I
just
just
for
the
for
this
call
too
thanks
to
ray
and
andrea
who
were
stepping
down
from
the
board.
I
honestly
think
both
ray
and
andrea
were
original
board
members
when
the
project
started
so
they've
been
on
the
board
for
the
entire
time.
A
A
Yeah,
I
mean
it's
just
we
could
have
the
meetings
but
they're
even
sometimes
they're,
just
like
two
people
or
one
person,
and
we
just
literally
can't
do
anything
so
so
anyway,
that's
the
schedule,
we'll
obviously
be
sending
out
announcements
prior
to
starting
back
up,
but
basically
just
a
month
off
for
the
holiday.
So
I
hope
you
have
a
nice
time,
whatever
you're
planning
on
doing
is
anybody
doing
anything
big
for
the
holidays
like
going
anywhere
going.
A
B
That's
my
current
plan.
However,
it's
a
little
insulting.
I
still
have
I
still
flights
and
I
still
plan
to
go.
It.
A
B
A
B
They're
the
send
away
to
a
lab
and
depending.
A
A
Okay,
but
it
depends
okay,
ohio
is
great,
maybe
it'll
be
snowy
and
lovely
and
wintry.
I'm
I'm
personally
not
doing
anything
much
so
just
kind
of
hanging
out
in
omaha
a
lot
of
families
coming
here.
So
that's
that
kind
of
solved
that
problem
for
me,
I'm
always
tempted
over
the
holidays,
to
go
to
colorado
for
spring
break
or
not
spring
break
to
go
skiing
just
in
colorado,
because
steamboat
is
not
terribly
far
from
where
I
am
so
anyway,
all
right.
A
A
I'm
sure
I
can
get
it
further
down,
but
there,
interestingly,
there
were
a
couple
things
that
I
I
took
away
from
our
goal,
setting
which
was
a
lot
about
how
to
communicate
the
work
that
we're
doing
in
the
chaos
project
better
and
how
to
kind
of
lower
the
barriers
to
entry
for
the
project.
Those
seem
like
those
are
the
two
biggest
takeaways
from
me
or
for
me
I
don't
know
if
other
people
kind
of
saw
that
as
well
there
there
were
in
community
building
there
were.
A
C
I
think
for
me,
except
actually,
I
have
going
through
the
whole
the
whole
goals
before
the
meeting.
I
think
it's
it's
already
good
enough,
but
from
a
china
perspective,
I
I
want
to
create
more
connections
with
communities,
open
source
communities
in
china
to
to
get
more
entrance
to
the
chaos
community
because
in
the
chaos
community
in
china,
there's
so
far
as
I
can
see,
there's
more
than
almost
100
people
from
more
than
20
20
different
communities
have
drawn
together.
A
Got
it
I
agree,
do
you
think
you
had
mentioned?
There
were
a
number
of
people
who
are
participating
in
weekly
meetings.
C
There
are
mostly
20
people,
at
least
okay
and
and
in
in
that
we
have,
you
know
we
have.
We
tried
this,
try
to
chat
tools,
and
in
that,
in
that
we
chat,
we
have
almost
100
people
to
join
this
recharge
communication
channel
and
and
those
100
people
coming
from
more
than
20
different
communities
and
are
represented
by
their
companies.
C
C
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
xiaoyang
is
a
very
good
people
too.
We
working
together
to
even
together
with
the
other.
He
like
her
classmates
together
to
to
manage
the
whole
the
whole
recharge
channel
and-
and
I
think,
using
the
different
ways
through
the
making
meeting
and
chaos
chaos
cast
in
china.
C
A
Is
there
I'm
trying
to
think?
Is
there
precedent
in
other
communities
for
identifying
individuals
who
are
in
different
global
regions
like
with
a
some
recognition
from
the
community?
Like
a
you,
know,
asia,
pacific
liaison
or
a
european
liaison,
or
I'm
trying
to
think
if
there's
any
way
that
we
can
identify
a
person
kind
of
more
officially
in
the
chaos
project,
for
a
role
that
they
have
in
in
china?.
C
B
Gonna
say
one
of
part
of
it's
a
little
bit
different,
but
in
in
kubernetes
one
of
the
things
that
that
they
have
are,
you
know
like
like
meet
up
leads
and
things
like
that
for
different
locations.
So
there's,
like
a
you,
know,
there's
different
working
groups
right.
So
there's
like
a
contributor
experience,
working
group
and
then
within
that
contributor
experience
working
group
they
have
kind
of
people
who
help
coordinate
things
in
certain
geographies.
B
I
don't
remember
what
what
we
called
them.
It
was
specifically
for
a
contributor
experience
not
like
for
the
whole
project,
but
I
think
it's.
I
think
it's
a
really
good
idea.
But
but
my
point
is
you
can
kind
of
do
it
two
ways
you
can
do
like
you
know
like
communications
or
something
and
have
somebody
be
sort
of
the
point
person
for
you
know,
slack
and
wechat
and
whatever
so
you
can
kind
of
do
it.
C
And
that's
true
because
ubuntu
they
have
a
lot
of
different
local
teams
in
different
the
different
I
mean
mainland
in
european
in
asia.
In
america
they
have
their
own
local
team.
A
A
A
Yeah,
okay,
great,
I
mean
I'm
thinking
like
what
that
would,
but
that
would
be
that's
one
of
the
goals
in
2022
like
we
were
talking
about
yesterday.
We
don't
have
to
figure
it
out
today.
That
would
be.
That
would
be.
The
hope
is
that
we
can
figure
that
out
all
right,
cool
and
sean
or
elizabeth.
I
don't
know
if
you
had
comments
on
this
as
well.
D
A
I
think
my
my
vision
at
least
just
talking
about
it
now,
is
to
have
an
identified
individual
who,
who
we
can
talk
to
like
kind
of
from
a
coordination
perspective.
Yeah.
C
C
C
So
I
think
we
should
give
them
a
normal
or
standard
channel
to
let
them
know
how
they
quickly
to
become
some
law
or
or
get
these
recognitions
from
communities
and
and
like
like,
like
you
might
say
mentioned,
then
we
have
a
chance
to
to
to
have
communication
face-to-face
online,
of
course,
with
those
people
to
listen,
more
thinkings
or
ideas
from
those
people.
A
So
I'd
also
that's.
I
was
just
listening
to
you
to
talk
to
it.
It'd
be
great,
because
I'd
like
to
also
lower
the
barriers
for
somebody
in
say
asia
or
africa,
or
europe,
whoever
this
person
might
be
to
to
also
be
comfortable
asking
for
resources
of
the
chaos
project
so
like.
If
it's
a
financial
ask,
they
know.
A
It's
completely
fine
to
ask
for
money
for
a
meet-up
or
to
ask
for
support
from
the,
for
example,
say
from
the
linux
foundation
to
have
a
meetup
associated
with
some
conference,
that's
being
run
by
the
lf
like.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
feel
pretty
distant
from
that
and
if
we
could
formalize
the
role
to
hear
you
can
hear
these
are
the
things
you
can
totally
ask
you
can
ask
us
for
money.
A
Yeah,
okay,
all
right
cool!
That's
great!
Thank
you!
Elizabeth
you're
unmuted!
So
maybe
you
have
a
comment.
A
A
C
The
the
the
other
interesting
guide
from
this
ghost
is
by
the
solid
state
user
feedback
survey:
how
to
how
to
use
survey
to
guide
the
kl
street
fight
yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
okay,
I'm
just.
A
C
On
this
part,
because
I
do
a
lot
of
trials
on
my
own
on
the
in
the
communities
I
joined,
you
know
initialized
by
for
huawei
overall
manspool
and
open
goats,
some
some
other
communities,
because
they
do
some
stories
you
know
to
in
the
different
developer
journey
from
from
from
files
different
guidelines,
we
insert
the
story
and
also
we
insert
the
survey
into
the
sub
easier
handling
part,
for
example,
at
the
end
of
the
issue
closed,
we
posted
this
story
on
this
issue
and
to
get
the
developers
feedback
so
so,
for
this
part,
I
I
I'm
very
interested
in
how
to
handle
this
survey
in
chaos.
A
Yeah,
the
the
premise
of
the
survey
was
maybe
this
alliance
with
what
you're
talking
about
is
that
I'd
say
in
2020
and
2021.
A
A
And
so
the
survey
is
about
trying
to
understand.
Are
people
using
the
software
and
if
so,
how
are
people
using
the
metrics
definitions
and
if
so,
how?
What
else
would
they
like
to
see
from
the
chaos
project?
So
I
think
it's
really
about
serving
companies
and
organizations
and
other
open
source
communities
yeah
as
to
how
they're,
how
they're,
using
the
resources
that
are
coming
from
the
chaos
project.
C
Okay,
so
so
so,
I
think
that
the
whole
survey
is
just
once
a
week
half
a
year
or
we
can
we
just
do
it
one
one
time
per
year
or
just
just
several
times
or
we
keep
it
at
the
surveyor
for
long
term
to
the
privacy.
A
I
actually
was
just
listening
to
you
talking
again,
I
mean
it
would
probably
be
once
a
year.
I
mean
it
would
probably
help
us
with
goal
setting
tremendously
for
the
year.
If
we,
if
we,
if
we
think
we're
doing
something
and
people
are
like
yeah,
I
never
ever
look
at
that.
You
know,
then
we
should
probably
stop
doing
that
or
if,
if
they
mention
say
that
dei
badging
program
is
really
fundamentally
important,
then
that's
obviously
something
we
should
continue
to
support.
A
D
A
This
is,
this
is
really
good.
I
think
this
gives
us
a
lot
to
go
off
of,
and
I
think
the
other
nice
thing
is
that
I
would
say
that
none
of
these
items
on
here
are
completely
new.
I
think
we've
been
making
some
progress
or
thinking
about
these
items
for
maybe
about
six
months
now
to
a
year
right.
D
A
A
Was
just
an
example
that
came
up
yesterday,
so
what
that
was
was
over
the
course
of
the
last
year
we
had
received
funding
from
the
ford
foundation
to
do
a
reflection
on
the
chaos
project
kind
of
our
own
self-reflection
and
how
we
can
improve
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
within
the
project
itself
right.
So
what
are
things
that
we
can
do
and
try
to
support
to
to
make
the
project
more
accessible
to
others?
A
So,
for
example,
translations
was
something
that
had
come
up
in
the
recommendations,
and
it
was
kind
of
a
great
timing
that
we
were
able
to
do
metrics
translations,
because
that
obviously
improves
accessibility
for
a
whole
community
that
wouldn't
otherwise
have
that.
A
So
that's
just
one
example,
so
we
have
a
set
of
recommendations,
probably
about
a
dozen
recommendations
of
things
to
do
within
the
chaos
project.
So
I
mean
one
of
the
recommendations.
Was
our
website?
Is
it's
like
a
it's
like
a
brick
wall,
sometimes
coming
in
right,
so
we
need
to
lower
the
barriers
to
entry
on
the
website
and
that's
something
that's
also
in
this
list.
So
the
recommendations
were
just
that
in
2021.
A
It
was
a
list
of
things
to
do.
Some
have
been
implemented
like
translations,
others
are
yet
to
do.
And
then
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
yesterday
was
dark
mode
is
like
on
github.
You
can
have
the
light
mode
and
the
dark
mode.
I
think
slack,
has
light
mode
and
dark.
Is
that
yeah
mistake
yeah?
I
think
it
does
yeah.
A
C
C
And
and
the
the
other
thing
is
about
matrix
model,
you
know
we
have
spanned
several
months
about
to
talking
together
about
matrix
models,
and
as
here
we
we
have
some
plans
to
to
on
the
delivery
of
matrix
model,
but
it
means
they
turn.
A
A
That's
the
the
actual
release
mode.
I
think
metrics
models
would
follow
something
similar
that
we
could
continuously
release
metrics
models
that
are
just
kind
of
available
on
a
one
by
one
basis,
but
then,
every
six
months
we
will
release
the
official
collection
of
metrics
models,
so
it
would
be
half
a
dozen
to
a
dozen
metrics
models
released
every
six
months.
C
The
things
it's
an
interesting
things
without
me,
I
I
share
one
of
my
one
of
the
in
the
chaos
in
the
kiosk
china
meetings
introduced
magic's
model
to
the
people
who
joined
this
meeting.
They
have
super
interesting
on
on
both
things
because
they
think
that
they
already
have
the
similar
ideas.
Actually
they
have
doing
this,
the
similar
things
in
their
own
communities,
so
I
I
told
them.
C
A
A
You
know
how
the
metrics
model
template
is
pretty
simple,
even
if
they
could
just
put
together
like
what
the
general
idea
behind
the
model
is
like
just
a
sentence
or
two
that
might
be
enough
and
the
metrics
that
they
look
at
for
the
the
metrics
that
they
use
to
build
the
model.
That
would
be
extremely
helpful
yeah.
I
agree.
A
A
I
mean
it's
just
a
markdown
file,
but
then
there's
a
we're,
also
planning
on
having
notebooks
accompany
the
metrics
models.
A
Yeah
deployments
of
the
metrics
models
that
can
be
deployed
with
the
notebook,
and
that
would
be
one
of
the
really
the
first
time.
We've
done
that
and
we'll
have
to
think
about
how
that
that
looks
on
the
website
as
well
and
how
we
distribute
those
or
if
it's
just
repository
or
what
I
don't
know.
Yeah.
D
I
mean,
I
think,
I
think
the
metrics
models
warrant,
the
verbal
description
and
I
think
some
of
the
things
we're
trying
to
do
to
represent
them
in
either
jupiter
notebooks
or
something
else
will
help.
I
think
that
I
think
the
concrete
implementation
helps
people
see
what
a
metric
model
is
a
little
bit
better
yeah.
D
You
know
I
so
we've
had
jupiter
notebooks
and
repos
before
and
and
we
still
do
have
one
repo
with
jupiter
notebooks.
That
is
the
dominant
content,
and
I
think
I
think
making
this
something
that
is,
the
dominant
content
would
be
good,
and
this
might
be
a
way
that
we
can
collaborate.
A
D
D
A
Should
be
good
any
any
last
thoughts
from
folks
on
this.
D
A
C
C
So
if
there
is
there
any
you
know
to
this
area
to
support
this
matrix
to
let
them
believe
this
matrix
is
it
could
help
them,
I
mean,
could
could
it
be
a
actualized
made
paper?
Oh
okay,
this
this,
this
matrix
is
coming
from
the
result
or
research
result
of
one
people
or
they
just
they.
They
coming
from
some
best
practice
from
some
communities.
D
Right
now,
I
think
we
point
to
the
large
scale.
You
know
the
very
extensive
collaboration
that
we
have
with
companies
inside
of
the
linux
foundation
and
and
the
work
that
they're
doing
is
really
driving
our
priorities.
So
when
we
talk
about
metrics
models,
that's
influenced
by
the
discussions
we've
had
here.
It's
it's
also
influenced
by
discussions
that
have
happened
in
other
working
groups
and
by
the
by
the
actual
practices
of
people
that
are
running
open
source
program
offices.
D
So
this
is
information
that
is
widely
used,
and
I
think
we
take
that
sort
of
as
our
our
credibility
to
bring
it
forward
to
management
type
people.
However,
I
think
I
think
what
you're
asking
for
is,
you
know
some
kind
of,
and
we
do
have
some
scientific
papers
that
that
we've
published
matt
and
I,
but
I
think
we
can
also
write
more
and
give
you
more
scientific
backup.
That's
that's
certainly
on
our
list
of
things
to
do
this
year.
C
C
So
if
we
could
give
those
present
evidence
to
to
to
those
people,
they
would
be
more
would
put
more
trust,
trust
the
metrics
may
be
present
or
or
the
metrics
model
will
be
creating
because
they
are
coming
from
our
researchers,
dot
or
best
practice
right.
D
D
I
don't
want
to
call
out
don
while
she's
fixing
her
computer,
but
I
don't
know
what
do
you
want.
B
B
Yeah,
the
thing
that's
helped
me
is
finding
ways
to
tie
it
back
to
what
management
cares
about.
So
so,
when
I,
when
I
look
at
metrics,
I
look
at
what
we're
trying
to
do
kind
of
as
a
company
as
an
organization
as
a
team
whatever,
and
I
try
to
find
the
metrics
that
are
going
to
be
able
to
help
me
demonstrate
that
I'm
you
know
that
whatever
it
is
that
we're
looking
at
is
successful
from
the
standpoint
of
what
we're
trying
to
achieve.
So
I
I
always
try
to
tie
to
tie
this
stuff
back.
B
B
So
I'm
measuring
that
as
my
response
time
and
looking
at
how
often
projects
respond
to
pull
requests
within
two
business
days
as
an
example,
and
then
you
know
another
big
indicator
for
us
is
you
know
making
sure
that
our
projects
are
secure
and
so
one
of
the
things
I'm
looking
at
is
you
know,
do
we
do
we
do
releases
on
a
regular
and
frequent
basis,
meaning
that
when
we
find
security
issues,
do
we
fix
them
and
patch
them
and
and
roll
them
into
a
release?
B
C
I
mean
the
thing
is
that
we
may
give
give
communities
or
our
inside
report
about
based
on
the
metrics
we
have
and
some
some
of
this
report
with
some
results
like
like
here.
It's
about
response
time
like
issue
response
time,
it's
too
long
or
pr
response
time
or
comments,
it's
too
too
short,
so,
but
but
after
after
the
committee
start
looking
at
this,
this
matrix
results.
C
The
second
question
would
be
to
why:
how
how
we
can
improve
that,
I
think
we
can
do
to
improve
the
whole
things
and
also
if
the
response
time
is
too
it's
too
long
what
it's
gonna
be
to
to
what's
the
result
of
this
of
insight,
so
what's
the
next
step
could
be
related
to
could
we
need
to
so
we
have
to
predict
some
back
fire
or
good
result
based
on
this
current
result,.
C
The
things
that,
together
with
the
chaos
metrics,
we
have
to
use
more
more
data
to
to
connect
to
set
up
these
connections
between
the
result,
data
and
and
some
processing
data
to
set
up
this
relationship
and
also
to
predict
what
would
happen
if,
based
on
the
current
insight.
A
So
there
are
a
couple
things
in
here:
yahui
one
is
okay,
thanks
don
is
how
how
the
metrics
originate
and
like
are
they
from
research
or
are
they
from
best
practices?
A
Totally
anecdotally,
I
would
say
that
probably
ninety
percent
of
the
metrics
we
have
in
chaos
are
from
industry
best
practice,
maybe
eighty
percent.
So
if
I
look
at
the
dei
metrics,
I
mean
many
of
those
originate
from
work
that
was
done
at
mozilla
around
dei
and
dei
best
practices.
A
A
We
really
just
try
to
listen
to
what
people
are
saying
in
industry
and
articulate
that
so
like
when
folks
at
twitter
talk
about
what
they're
looking
at
metrics
wise,
we
we
kind
of
always
run
into
the
assumption
that
that's
that's
just
simply
an
industry,
it's
a
truth
that
that's
something
that
they're
looking
at
and
we
try
to
articulate
that
as
it
might
be
useful
for
other
people
as
don
was
talking.
You
know
like
what
vmware
is
looking
at
say
whether
it's
response
time
or
release
cadence
for
security.
A
Maybe
a
long
answer,
but
that's
kind
of
how
I
see
the
origin
of
metrics
and
then
there's
the
other
point
of
how
what
the
second
step
is.
After
seeing
the
results
from
the
metrics
like
what
so
it's
so
you
see
as
a
response
time.
That's
four
days
instead
of
three
days
on
a
pull
request
like
what
do
you
do
to
actually
move
that
closer
to
two
days
to
dawn's
point?
A
The
recommendations
are
so
contextually
specific,
sometimes
it's
hard
for
us
as
a
project
to
make
recommendations.
I
think
the
closest
thing
that
we
have
talked
about
is
having
people
write
like
user
stories
or
just
blog
posts
as
to
why
and
I'm
not
asking
don
to
do
this
but
like.
Why
is,
is
two
days
an
important
measure
for
response
time
like
how
did
that
come
to
be,
and
if
it
is
three-day,
what
are
some
things
that
you
do
at
vmware
to
try
to
improve
that?
A
You
know
it's,
and
so
just
asking
people
that
are
using
the
metrics
to
write
very
short
statements
or
blog
posts
as
to
how
this
even
came
to
be
and
and
what
you
do
to
nudge
this
in
the
direction
that
you
would
like
to
to
get
a
nudge
to,
but
to
don's
point
like
not.
Everybody
wants
to
necessarily
nudge
that
to
two
days
like
it
means
no.