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From YouTube: CHAOSS Asia-Pacific Community Call 2/23/22
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A
Okay,
all
right
well
welcome
it's
the
february
23rd
24th
asia,
pacific
chaos,
community
call,
it's
been
a
while.
Yes,
let's
see
everybody,
so
it's
good
to
see
all
of
you.
I
know
I've
seen
some
of
you
on
some
of
the
different
calls
like
the
metrics
models
call,
but
nonetheless
it's
good
to
be
here
on
this
call
today.
A
So
there's
an
agenda
here.
I
thought
we
could
kind
of
work
through
it
and
maybe
get
your
feedback
and,
of
course
feel
free
to
add
things.
But
I
think
this
first
meeting
is
just
to
kind
of
get
us
back
into
the
rhythm
of
meeting
again
for
this
asia.
Pacific
call
2022
to
give
you
some
updates
on
2022
things
that
we've
been
talking
about
in
the
chaos
project
as
a
whole.
A
A
A
B
C
A
This
would
be
related
to
that.
So
I
mean
yes,
so
the
idea
is
that
we'd
have
a
knowledge
base
that
would
provide
access
to
the
metrics
models.
Like
you
mentioned,
yahui
and
we'd
also
have
a
knowledge
base
that
would
provide
access
to
the
community
handbook,
the
community
handbook.
Really
we
rely
on
that
to
really
specify
how
work
gets
done
in
the
chaos
project.
Elizabeth.
I
think
I
have
that
right.
Don't
I
kind
of
the
two
things
that
we'd
focus
on.
D
C
Okay,
because
after
that
meeting,
I
was
thinking
about
knowledge
base,
so
we
do
need
and
any
kind
of
knowledge
base
to
contain
the
documentation,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
documentation,
spread
every
everywhere,
not
just
on
the
website,
but
also
on
the
github
and
some
somewhere
else.
But
I'm
I'm
also
thinking
if
we
are
talking
about
the
knowledge
base.
C
I
think
we
still
missing
one
component
for
the
ford
community,
it's
about
forum,
so
so
we
can.
We
can
set
up
forum
on
this
website
to
to
get
people
together
to
to
discuss
the
things
we
are
interested
in.
Yes,
we
have
some
like,
but
just
like
the
topic
on
the
slide,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
to
track
for
for
the
specific
one.
C
If
we
have
a
forum
to
to
let
people
talking
about
some
some
hot
topic-
and
we
can
record
this
this
result
of
the
discussion
and
anyone
else
could
follow
that
discussion
if,
after
afterwards,
and
and
also
if
they
are
looking
for
some,
some
useful
information
and
they
may
can
searching
some
good
discussion
results
from
this
forum.
That's
the
idea,
I'm
thinking
about
earlier.
E
I
would
also
just
plus
one
that
and
say
that
slack
our
version
of
slack
does
not
save
messages
past
a
certain
time.
So
if
there
was
a
discussion
that
happened
a
while
back,
we
won't
know
it's
gone
and
also
there
are
it's
so
because
there's
so
many
different
channels.
I
guess
in
slack
that,
like
we
were
talking
about
the
knowledge
base
in
the
common
working
group,
but
that
doesn't
like
no
one
else
can
see
that
unless
you're
in
that,
so
I
would
just.
F
G
Before
and
my
here's,
here's
my
take
on
on
forums
and
mailing
lists
is
that
you
really?
You
really
have
to
pick
one,
because
if
you
allow
discussions
and
forums,
there
are
people
who
love
forums
and
they
will
have
all
their
discussions
in
the
forums.
And
then
you
have
the
people
that
love
mailing
lists
and
they'll
have
all
of
their
discussions
on
the
mailing
lists
and
the
two
just
never
talk
to
each
other.
So
then
you
end
up
with
two
parallel
lines
of
communication
within
the
project.
G
So
I
have
no
problem
with
using
forums,
but
I
do
think
elizabeth
you're
right.
If
we
decide
to
use
a
forum,
I
think
it
should
be
instead
of
the
mailing
list
and
that's
a
decision.
We
kind
of
need
to
make
project
wide,
because
forums
and
mailing
lists
kind
of
serve
the
same
purpose
right
it's
for
those
longer
term.
Threaded
discussions,
it's
decisions
about
the
project,
it's
that
sort
of
thing
and-
and
I
I
fear
that
having
two
you
just
end
up
with
parallel
discussions.
G
Yeah
that
that
works,
because
the
the
source
of
truth
is
still
the
forum,
so
you
still
only
have
one.
You
don't
have
a
separate
mailing
list.
I
mean
you
can
get
forum
notifications
via
you
know
via
email,
and
that's
that's
what
honestly,
that's
what
I
tend
to
do
when
I
participate
in
open
source
projects
that
have
forums
like
like
open
search,
for
example,
the
aws
open
source
project
that
they
use
forums
for
their
discussion.
They
don't
have
a
mailing
list.
I
don't
think.
G
C
G
G
G
B
G
A
A
To
put
in
front
of
people
and
to
your
point
don,
we
had
this
kind
of
sprite
a
couple
years
ago
that
we
had
it
and
I
think
the
mail
list
was
considerably
more
active
back.
Then
it
was
moved
a
lot
that
conversation
to
slack,
and
so
I
just,
I
think,
part
of
the
reason
we
didn't
move
back
then
is
we
didn't
want
to
disrupt
the
flow
that
was
occurring.
A
A
F
F
A
A
A
C
So
it's
triggered
me
thinking
about.
We
have
some
concrete
moving
forward
things
to
do
so
because,
when
we're
talking
about
to
redesign
the
whole
page,
I
mean
the
white
side,
it's
kind
of
complicated
things.
How
can
how
do
we
plan
to
do
it?
Do
we
have
a
working
group
of
other
people
already
in
night.
A
Yeah
I
mean
so
kevin
kevin
lombard
who
has
who
has
done
website
design,
work
and
website
development
work
in
a
prior
prior
life
and
who
currently
manages
our
website
at
the
moment
is
going
to
be
taking
on
this
in
the
summer
as
a
dedicated
project.
So
the
spring
is
really
set
up
to
kind
of
organize
thoughts
like
in
conversations
that
we're
having
here
and
that
we
can
start
documenting
ways
forward.
So
the
work
would
really
begin
in
may
and
june
like
at
the
beginning
of
summer.
A
So
we
did
open
up
the
slack
channel,
there's
a
slack
channel
for
website
it's
website,
working
group
or
working
group
website.
I
kind
of
forget
the
order
and
we
were
gonna
try
to
do
a
lot
of
the
work
asynchronously
at
least
for
a
little
while
and
then
as
needed.
We
were
gonna
have
updates
about
the
work
in
the
common
working
group.
It's
not
that
we
would
have
the
discussions
necessarily
there
about
the
strategy,
but
updates
would
occur
there
and
like
feedback
could
be
provided
like
that's
a
terrible
idea
or
that's
a
really
good
idea.
A
D
A
B
A
Yeah,
it
is
all
right
we
just
so.
You
know
too
we're
working
on
chaos,
brand
guidelines,
we're
working
with
nicole
huseman,
who
is
one
of
the
co-directors
of
the
board
right
now
on
brand
guidelines,
we're
working
with
enoch,
a
community
member
who
is
helping
with
kind
of
some
of
the
redesigns
of
the
banners
for
things
like
blogs
and
twitter
and
youtube.
C
C
H
C
A
C
A
Perfect
great
all
right
cool,
any
other
comments
on
the
brand
guidelines,
like
I
said,
just
give
us
maybe
a
week
or
so,
and
we
should
have
that
probably
sorted
out
and
made
available
to
everybody
and
and
we
can
work
with
enoch
too.
I
guess
one
less
comment
on
that.
If
there
needs
to
be
text
chinese
text
added
to
some
of
the
banners
we
can
work
with
enoch
to
provide
that's
all.
B
C
A
B
H
A
A
C
A
B
C
A
B
The
the
chaos
project
has,
as
you
know,
two
software
groups
or
pieces
that
are
working
actively
in
it.
You're
more
lab
and
otter
and
gremore
lab
folks,
and
the
auger
folks
are
talking
about
how
we
can
work
together
in
the
in
the
general
interest
of
chaos
and
metrics,
so
that
we
can
bring
on
more
developers
into
each
project
and
on
board
developers.
B
B
C
C
F
C
B
B
G
Yeah-
and
I
think
the
other
bit
that's
missing
out
of
cauldron-
is
the
ability
to
clean
some
of
the
data
like,
for
example,
you
have
a
contributor
that
you
know
uses
two
different
email
addresses.
That
is
the
same
person,
so
I
don't
think
in
cauldron.
You
can
you
can
merge
those
or
update
things
like
organizational
affiliation,
so
I
think
the
the
data
cleaning
is
is
lacking,
which
again
is
something
that
companies.
C
Because
I'm
I'm
I'm
thinking,
I
remember
that
the
topic
we
are
talking
about,
we
are
talking.
We
are
discussed
in
the
matrix
model
meeting
and
a
little
bit
pop
up
the
two
toolkit,
the
things
to
to
provide
support
to
describe
how
to
implement
the
whole
matrix
model.
I
think
we
can
use
something
like
this
to
provide
our,
I
mean
the
implementation
support
on
the
matrix
and
the
matrix
model.
C
G
B
B
You
know,
which
is
very
basic
in
many
systems,
so
that
you
can
log
in
create
an
account
on
a
blogger
server
and
only
have
access
to
those
repositories
that
you
care
about
and
sort
of
remain
unaware
that
other
people
have
their
repositories
in
there
as
well,
and
so
that's
that's
kind
of
the
direction
auger
is
heading,
but
we
want
to
to.
The
larger
point
is
that
we
want
the
software
community
to
be
so
getting
people
that
quick
access.
B
I
would
say
in
the
last
six
months,
especially
we
are
seeing
I'm
seeing
more
and
more
that
people
come
to
the
community
looking
to
actually
see
data
about
the
repositories
they
care
about.
I'm
getting
a
lot
more
questions
about.
How
do
I
see
this
in
action
and
and
I'm
seeing
those
in
the
general
chaos
threads
for
people
who
are
new
to
the
project
more
so
than
I
have
in
the
past?
B
C
A
Okay,
well,
I'm
just
gonna
say
as
we
move
through
this
agenda.
Thank
you
for
everybody.
We
talked
about
the
website
and
there's
an
interest
in
participating
in
and
that
from
from
people
on
the
call,
the
brand
guidelines
same
chaos
con
europe
same
and
software
development
same
so
thank
you,
for
you
know
wanting
to
participate
in
all
of
these
things.
So
I'm
glad
we're
talking
through
these.
A
A
A
But
then
we're
also
looking
at
adding
a
tool
kit
component
to
the
model,
which
is
how
to
actually
deploy
the
metrics
model.
So
if
it's
a
metrics
model
that
is
based
on,
say,
qualitative
data,
that's
a
toolkit
about
how
you
might
do
surveys
or
how
you
might
do
interviews
to
collect
such
data
and
if
it's
a
tool,
if
it's
a
metrics
model,
that's
more
based
on
quantitative
information.
A
It's
how
you
might
actually
deploy
a
jupyter
notebook
to
actually
collect
this
data,
for
example
in
auger,
so
really
kind
of
helping
people
think
through
technically
how
they
would
actually
deploy
this
model.
So
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
right.
Now
I
don't
know
if
people
have
comments
on
on
that
as
well,
but
I'm
pretty
happy
about
how
this
is
working.
A
Just
in
terms
of
so
also
maybe
people
know
the
metrics
models
right
now,
we're
not
looking
at
using
the
same
release
process
as
we
do
for
metrics
themselves.
So
metrics,
as
you
all
know,
they
go
through
a
pretty
extensive
conversation
within
the
working
groups.
We
then
have
a
freeze.
We
then
go
through
a
30-day
review
period.
The
idea
is,
the
metrics
models
would
be
released
a
little
bit
more
quickly
than
that
that
we
would
talk
about
them
in
the
metrics
model.
A
Working
group
bring
them
to
the
community
call
and
then
really
just
kind
of
from
that
point
release
them.
Unless
anybody
has
any
real
problems
with
the
model
itself,
so
it'd
be
a
shorter
turnaround
and
we're
also
looking
at
it,
making
the
metrics
models
a
little
bit
more
visually
appealing
than
the
metrics
themselves,
so
probably
using
some
design
components
like
graphic
design,
components
that,
as
the
models
could
be
an
artifact,
that's
shared
a
little
bit
more
a
little
bit
more
often
than
maybe
a
single
metric
alone.
C
A
Yeah,
I'm
not
that's
a
good
question,
so
obviously
the
model
itself
is
fairly
easy
to
put
on
the
website,
because
that's
just
a
pdf.
The
toolkit
is
also
pretty
easy
to
put
on
the
website,
because
that's
just
a
kind
of
a
verbal
guide,
but
how
actually
to
show
the
deployment
of
the
model.
That's
I'm
not
sure.
B
B
C
A
B
Link
is
yeah.
That's
that's
because,
right
now,
we've
built
metrics
models.
Ragava
matt
student
deny
using
jupyter
notebooks
against
auger
data,
and
one
of
the
hopes
I
think
for
the
discussion
is
to
figure
out
okay.
How
do
we
what
it?
What
is
the
pathway
to
have
folks
help
us
build
metric
models
that
we
can
make
available
publicly
with
grimore
lab
as
well.
B
D
B
B
H
B
A
Constantly
struggle
with
in
the
chaos
project
right
so
there's
there's
people
in
the
community
and
we
can
provide
metrics
right.
We
can
provide
that
work
and
then
we
can
provide
metrics
models
and
then
we
can
provide
the
deployment
of
those
metrics
models
and
then
we
could
provide
consulting
services
around
those
measures
like
how
far
out
can
we
go
before
we
distress
the
community
and
really
can't
provide
the
service
into
the
long
run
like?
A
B
B
But
I
mean
I
think
that
does
tie
back
to.
Basically
the
infrastructure
question
you
know
having
a
sustainable
infrastructure
will
help
help
the
entire
project,
both
grimoire
lab
auger,
chaos,
the
whole
and
the
metrics
models.
I
mean,
I
think
all
of
it
is
kind
of
twisting
together
in
a
very
important
way
right
at
this
point.
G
G
A
No,
I
mean
the
most
I
mean
to
get
into
this.
Like
the
most
sensible
thing
is.
Is
I
mean
there
are
organizations
that
do
support
the
work
that
we're
doing
in
the
chaos
project,
so
the
sloan
foundation,
the
ford
foundation
was,
I
mean
there
are
organizations
that
have
provided
the
support,
but
those
are
not
really
long-term
paths
to
sustainability.
So
I
mean
it's
something
we
could
think
about
in
the
next.
D
B
G
B
Yeah,
I
I
know
that
we've
requested
as
your
credits
specifically
to
do
some
of
this
metric
model
availability
work
and
what
we
don't
know
is
like
how
long
those
will
last
because
I've
had
lots
of
amazon
credits
in
the
past
myself
and
lost
them,
and
once
you
lose
them,
then
you're
like.
Where
do
I
go
for
my
infrastructure?.
B
A
F
A
1St,
it's,
I
think,
it's
tuesday,
so
a
lot
of
the
working
groups
there's
not
a
lot
of
new
metrics
in
this
round.
This
is
traditionally
a
lighter
round
for
metrics
release,
but
just
fyi
there
will
be
issues
probably
showing
up
in
the
translations
repo
this
week.
You
know
in
the
next
seven
days
or
so-
and
this
is
just
to
this
list
here
is
just
kind
of
I
don't
think
these
have
shown
up
yet,
but
just
to
give
you
a
sample
of
a
few
of
the
metrics
that
may
be
showing
up.
C
Actually,
I
add
this
metrics
phrase,
because
I
I
I
found
the
mail
sent
by
it
is
based
about
the
this
matrix
freeze
news
and
because
the
first
two,
the
first,
the
first
three
metrics
on
matrix
model,
is
provided
through
asia-pacific
team
and
I'm
I'm
thinking.
How
could
we
create
this
pull
request
to
to
the
github?
Or
could
we
directly
do
that
or
we
have
to
communicate
with
a
really
related
working
group,
like
a
conversion
rate,
is
related
to
the
evolution?
A
C
A
C
D
A
C
A
I
think
we
should
be
okay,
I'll
double
check
on
this,
though
so,
like
I'm,
I'm
hesitant
to
answer
yes
or
no,
I'm
answering
no.
I
think
we
can
take
care
of
it,
but
let
me
now
that
I
have
these
in
this
list.
Let
me
double
check
with
the
working
groups
to
see
where
these
are
at,
as
opposed
to
just
checking
right
now,
yeah
and
then
I
can
ping
you
asynchronously
on
slack
if
something
needs
to
change,
but
I
think
they
should
be
taken
care
of
yeah
yeah.