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A
B
Yeah
so
last
time
we
actually
kind
of
landed
on
this.
A
new
metric
called
conversion
rate,
and
the
consensus
was
that
we
could
maybe
work
on
it
just
a
little
bit
today
and
then
before
that.
B
Maybe
I
just
wanted
to
talk
real
quickly
about
translations
down
there
as
well
so
and
then
looks
like.
B
All
right,
okay,
all
right,
yo
you've
had
too
much
coffee.
Yes,
too,
excited.
B
D
C
E
A
paper
about
the
some
of
the
some
of
the
content
of
the
report
I
shared
to
kiosk
and
I
asked
some
new
yeah,
just
the
github
record
stream
analysis
and
open
source
software.
D
B
And
shoya
did:
did
you
get
the
email
from
ray
or
sophia
about
chaos?
Khan,.
E
Yes,
yeah.
Actually
I
want
to
ask
things:
is
the
talk
that
me
and
king
key
and
I
we
we're
gonna,
do
it
together
and
I
won't
ask
the
time
frame
the
the
how
long
the
the
recording
was
required.
B
E
B
B
A
B
What
weekend
we,
it
was
a
long
weekend
in
the
united
states,
it's
a
labor
day,
so
we
had
a
three-day
weekend
and
then
tuesday
feels
like
monday.
Wednesday
feels
like.
I
don't
know
what
wednesday
feels
like.
So
it's
fun
for
a
funny
week,
all
right,
well
great,
so
the
translations,
just
before
we
get
to
the
conversion
rate,
so
translations
there
was
a
question
that
came
up
yesterday
in
the
community
call.
So
first
is
thank
you
so
much
for
all
the
work
you've
been
doing
on
the
translations.
That's
that's
absolutely
been
incredible.
B
C
As
I
mentioned
last
meeting,
I
I
kind
of
enjoy
this
translation
work
and
during
the
last
weekend
I
have
finished
the
9
matrix,
translation.
Okay,
I
have
something
that's
a
pull
request
and
I
just
noticed
that
kevin
just
have
created
another
issue
for
for
one
more
matrix.
I
hope
that's
the
last
one
right.
B
I
think
so
yeah.
So
what
we're
you
know?
The
release
just
happened
or
the
the
freeze
period
just
started.
So
we
were
just
going
through
met
working
group
by
working
group
to
make
sure
every
trick.
Yeah
yeah.
C
B
C
I'm
thinking
that,
if
that's
the
last
one
and
together
with
with
review
and
the
much,
I
think
we
can
finish
the
in
the
rest
of
two
weeks:
okay,
yeah,
okay,
so.
C
B
Yes,
yeah,
I
think
so
I
think
that's
the
plan,
so
I'll
I'll
connect
with
kevin
just
to
make
sure
that
that's
the
plan
but
yeah
very
much
so
great,
pretty
good
and
then
in
the
community
call
yesterday.
B
Just
so,
you
know,
because
a
number
of
people
are
on
the
metrics
model
meeting
we
brought
up
the
metrics
model
and
the
work
that's
going
on
there
and
everybody
was
actually
quite
happy
with
with
the
development
of
that
that
work
and
so
ways
to
bring
so
anyway,
so
the
very
positive
reception
from
from
other
members
of
the
community.
So
that's
that's
great
right,
great
yeah.
So
I
think
that's
that's
kind
of
the
only
updates,
maybe
from
the
community
that
that
I
wanted
to
share
with
everybody
here
and
we
can
take
a
look
at
conversion.
B
B
E
Want
to
say,
I
haven't
worked
on
too
much
with
the
translations
due
to
the
paper,
but
I
was
started
to
review
at
the
several
days,
because
I
saw
all
the
issues
and
pull
requests
and
I
can
start
review
now.
Okay,.
B
D
B
Hello
good
to
see
you
all
right,
thank
you!
So
why
don't
we
take
a
look
at
at
conversion
rate,
so
sean?
Could
you.
A
A
B
B
All
right
so
and
then
can
you
go
back
to
the
minutes
for
a
second
sean
yep
and
then
scroll
down
just
a
little
bit.
B
Be
those
can
be
kind
of
identified
based
on
things
like,
like,
whatever
activity,
we
want
to
categorize
those
roles
as
being
casual,
regular
or
core
contributors,
and
then
the
question
is:
how
do
how
do
I
we
identify
people
as
moving
from
casual
to
regular
regular
to
core
core
to
regular.
You
see
what
I'm
saying
so
like.
How
do
we
understand
that
movement
between
roles?
Did
I
get
that
right,
exactly
you're,
right,
okay,
so
the
the
premise
so
then
go
back
to
the
version.
A
B
B
So
what
I
think
is,
if
we
could
maybe
just
take,
does
any
I'm
sorry.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
on
what
the
premise
of
the
metric
is
at
a
high
level.
B
B
A
It
open,
I
think,
I
see
the
spreadsheet-
oh,
no
yeah,
probably
it
is,
but
this
will
be
in
which
working
group
should
be
looking
at
metrics
models.
B
A
It
could
conversion
rate
could
go
in
common
or
evolution
in
my
opinion,
why
maybe
value
as
well?
I
can
put
it.
I
can
think
of
a
lot
of
places
where
it
would
go.
Can
you
tell
me
so.
A
C
B
All
right,
so
I
think
maybe
the
the
hope
would
be
is
that
we
could,
in
this
project
like
bring
forward
the
work
that
you've
done.
You
meaning
giveaway
anybody.
Who's
worked
in
the
open,
euler
community,
who's
kind
of
looked
at
conversion
rate
and
then
kind
of
hand
it
off
to
evolution,
and
then
the
evolution
working
group
could
kind
of
get
it
across
the
finish
line
for
the
for
the
metrics
release.
Does
that
work?
For
you,
sean
yeah,
totally.
C
B
We
can
take
our
time,
yep
all
right,
so
typically
what
I
think,
what
what
would
probably
be
in
order
here
is,
we
maybe
take
10
or
15
minutes.
I
usually
stop
the
recording
here
and
we
all
just
take
a
little
bit
of
time.
I
know
shoya
you've
done
this
in
other
working
groups
where
we
just
we
just
kind
of
work
on
what
the
metric
could
be
and
oftentimes
we
spend
most
of
our
time.
B
B
B
Something
like
that,
we
have
to
define
what
roles
is
the
objectives
would
be
the
same,
and
so
we
can.
B
B
This
would
be
like
the
implementation
would
be
along
the
lines
of
like
what
are
we
actually
looking
for,
so
the
implementation
could
be
how
we
define
roles.
It
could
also
be
what
we
look
for
in
a
role.
So,
if
we're
just
looking
at
issues
or
we're
looking
at
commits-
or
you
know
what
it
is-
that
we're
looking
for
like
how
we
go
about
defining
that,
so
that's
that
implementation
could
probably
be
something
we
work
on
too.
During
this
any
questions
on
that
for
people.
B
B
Okay,
cool
cool,
all
right,
why
don't
I
pause
the
recording
hi
welcome
back.
We
worked
on
the
metric,
so
so
the
question
is
is
like
what
are
we
calling
a
contributor?
I
think,
there's
a
do
you
see
the
right
in
the
middle
of
the
document?
B
There's
a
where
shawn
is
showing
like
it
was
the
do
we
focus
only
on
contributors?
Do
you
see
that
comment?
B
E
C
E
A
Yeah
I
mean
this
is
just
two
ways
of
looking
at
it.
I
suppose,
and
it's
a
yeah
I
mean
there's
there
are
these
different
ways
and
we've
had
these
discussions.
So
when
we
say
the
word
contributor
it,
it
usually
encompasses
this
broad
definition
under
types
of
contributions
and
when
we
say
we
use
the
term
committer
or
code
contributor
to
distinguish
between
people
who,
because
there
are
still
organizations
that
really
primarily
care
about
code
contributions
and,
of
course,
if
you're
evaluating
developers,
that's
what
you
care
about.
A
However,
I
think
if
I'm
thinking
about
what
kinds
of
things
I
would
expect
a
developer
to
do,
I
would
expect
them
to
create
issues
and
comment
on
issues
and
do
code
reviews,
and
then
I
might
be
interested
as
well
in
some
of
this
additional
stuff
down
here
that
I've
highlighted.
A
But
it's
up,
I
mean,
I
think
it's
you
can
define
the
filters
more
broadly
and
then
apply
the
filters
specifically
in
a
certain
way
in
an
organization.
So
the
metric
doesn't
force
you
to
include
all
the
things
listed
as
filters
when
you
actually
run
it
or
apply
it.
If
that
makes
sense,.
B
So
yeah,
so
so
what
I
hear
you
saying
is
we
could
look
at
the
implementation
would
be
casual
regular
in
core
and
we
could,
from
a
filter
perspective.
Just
include
all
of
those
things
I
mean
yeah.
We
could
just
say
we
care
about
all
of
these
things
to
define
casual,
regular
or
we
could
just
narrow
it
down
to
git
commits
we
could
just
filter
only
on
git
commits
to
define
casual,
regular
core.
Is
that
what
you're
saying
sean.
C
You
got
to
leave
on
the
filter
and
figure
out
who
is
the
core
contributor
in
the
case,
gate
sorry
get
commit
or
who
would
like
to
give
our
code
reviews
because,
like
maintainers,
they
may
don't
have
so
too
many
times
to
to
contribute
code,
but
he
or
she
spends
lots
of
time.
On
code
review,
give
comments.
I
think
that
we
can
also
market
things
as
a
core
contributors.
C
E
Yes,
yeah,
so
we
we
are
not
going
to
we're
not
going
to
give
definite
like
to
say
exactly
exactly
what
is
what
is
casual
or
regular
core
contributors
welcome.
We
are
not
going
to
define
that
yeah.
E
C
B
B
So
I'm
in
that
last,
so
we
don't
define
what
types
of
types
or
mixtures
of
contributions
are
used
to
define
casual
right.
B
B
Based
on
particular,
something
like
that,
does
that
approximately
work
for
people
again?
It's
not
it's
not
perfect.
We
don't
define
yeah,
so
yeah
somebody
is
typing
in
there.
B
But
this
is,
I
think,
the
the
heart
of
this
metric
is
just
being
able
to.
However,
you
define
it,
it
meaning
casual,
regular
core.
However,
you
you
make
that
definition,
that
you
stick
with
that
definition
and
then
you
can
observe
movement
of
people
based
on
that
definition
and
the
reasons
then
why
you
would
want
to
observe
that
movement
is
defined
in
the
objectives
like
here
are
reasons
why
you
might
want
to
watch
people.
B
E
Yes,
this
works
so,
but
I
think
maybe
defining
this
rose
is
the
most
difficult
part.
Maybe,
but
my
understanding
of
the
metrics
of
chaos
now
is
more
of
raise
the
perspectives
and
it's
a
perspective
that
people
can
think
of,
but
we
don't
give
the
detailed
strategies
right.
B
Correct
and
the-
and
so
that's
an
excellent
point,
so
we're
trying
to
yes
raise
this
perspective
for
people
so
that
they
can
think
about
casual,
regular
core,
at
least
in
this
case
this
conversion
rate.
But
we
found
over
the
years
that
if
we
get
too
specific,
then
we
lose.
We
lose
a
lot
of
the
audience
so
and
it
just
it
becomes
too
specific
for
people.
A
Yeah
and
I
and
I
tried
to
put
it
in
language
that
was
more
general
in
that
comment
as
guest
user,
like
basically
we're
not
prescribing
anything,
but
you
know
some
organizations
might
want
to
look
at
just
code
contributions
and
then
we're
not
prescribing
the
levels.
A
Every
project
even
has
you
know,
different
levels
are
going
to
be
a
pro.
You
know.
Core
contributor
on
a
very
stable
project
is
going
to
look
differently
in
terms
of
activity
level
than
a
core
contributor
to
an
emerging
project,
see
just
there's
some
sort
of
heuristic
logic
that
has
to
be
applied
when
you
use
this
or
any
metric
as
to
which
I
think
what
matt
was
saying.
E
That
makes
sense
to
me
actually
back
in
my
paper.
I
define
a
metric
of
the
activity
activity
level
and
the
most
concern
is,
I
don't
have
reference
and
I
don't
know
if
the
metric
level,
I
I
selected
several
behaviors
on
github,
but
I
don't
know
if
they
make
sense.
E
The
behaviors
contain
comment
on
issues
open
issues,
open
vrs,
to
review,
prs
and
merge
pr's
these
basic
actions,
but
I
I
don't
know
if
they
are
if
this
behavior
makes
sense,
because
I
I
don't
have
those
standard
standard,
references
and
yeah
that
that's
that
that
was
a
dilemma.
I
faced.
B
So
I
had
two
comments
on
that.
One
is
the
perspective
you
take.
Is
it's
correct
in
some
context
in
the
world
somewhere
in
the
world
the
perspective,
because.
B
Yep,
it
does
make
me
think
that
maybe
we
could
also
have
this
conversation
in
the
metrics
model
working
group,
because
I
think
that
that
what
you're
basically
saying
is
you're
taking
the
conversion
rate
metric,
something
along
these
lines:
right,
you're,
looking
at
activity
and
you're
trying
to
define
the
scope
of
activity
as
being
meaningful
for
somebody
somebody
out
in
the
world
and
that
type
of
activity
may
be
meaningful
for
community
one,
but
it
may
not
be
meaningful
for
community
too,
which
is
completely
fine,
and
so
the
metrics
model
discussions
define
what
that
community
one
is.
B
That
would
care
about
the
definitions
that
you
provide.
Does
that,
like
that's
what
the
metrics
model
is
like
if
you're
in
this,
if
you're
in
this
situation,
conversion
rate
is
a
metric
that
matters
to
you,
because
and
here's
how
you
look
at
conversion
rate
in
that
particular
context.
So
maybe
this
is
something
we
bring
to
the
metrics
model
discussion
as
well.
Yeah.
F
B
It's
a
very
good
conversation
all
right.
Any
other
comments
on
that
people
want
to
bring
forward
specifically
I'll
talk
about
kind
of
the
next
steps
here
in
just
a
second,
but
are
there
any
other
highlights
that
people
want
to
talk
about?
Sean
had
talked
about
filters.
C
Yeah,
I
will
talk
with
jin
zhong,
who
proposed
this
matrix
to
ask
her
some
new
ideas
or
some
options.
Okay,
was
she
the
one
that
brought
forward
the
conversion
rate
metric,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah.
C
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
believe
so
cool
and
then
I'll,
take
an
action
item
for
next
time
for
two
weeks
from
now,
just
to
kind
of
clean,
go
through
the
text
and
the
comments
and
clean
that
up
and
provide
links
like
if
we
need
to
link
out
to
like
what
a
contribution
is
we'll
just
link
out
to
the
existing
chaos
metric
definition-
and
you
know
sean.
If
you
scroll
down
like
to
references,
oh
yeah,
I
can
clean
some
of
this
up
as
well.
You
know
what
I.
A
B
Looks
good
and
we
could
kind
of
give
it
one
look
again
in
two
weeks,
and
then
we
could
probably
just
about
ready
to
be
handed
handing
off
to
the
evolution
working
group
for
them
to
take
a
look
at
with
a
different
set
of
eyes
as
well
yeah.
That
sounds
good.
Okay,
I
will
give
myself
that
action
item.
Thank
you
guys.
Yeah.
B
It
shows
you
that
when
there's
a
good
idea,
I
can
get
onto
paper
relatively
quickly,
and
it
also
shows
you
that
through
the
efforts
of
even
just
you
know,
six
or
seven
people
on
a
call
like
what
can
be
done
quickly
from
a
community
perspective.
So
that's
great
all
right!
Well,
that's
it
does
anybody
else
have
anything
for
this
meeting.
B
C
Yeah
yeah
yeah
I
just
want
to
I
I
did.
I
just
want
to
say.
C
C
And
also
I
I
found
a
a
change.
I
mean
the
the
matrix
release
style
change.
I
I
could
say
that,
because
I
fi
I
found
some
of
the
metrics
is,
is
not
that
I
mean
a
complete.
I
mean
it's
kind
of
simple,
but
it
which
means
we
don't
have
to
make
it
perfect
in
one
release.
We
can
polish
it
time
by
time.
It
could,
you
know,
welcome
more
contributors
to
contribute
matrix
to
to
the
community.
I
really
like
this
style.
B
Great
we
keeping
them
simple
is
something
that
we
kind
of
focused
on
probably
a
year
and
a
half
yeah.
C
C
C
C
How
likely
is
that
you
as
a
contributor
to
recommend
community
or
project
to
other
people?
So
it's
like
score
from
10
to
0.,
sorry
from
from
0
to
10,
yeah
and
yeah,
you
can
see
the
as
contributor
knowledge,
recommendability
ate
the
result
from
the
percentage
of
promoter
minus
the
percentage
of
detractors.
C
So
we
we
categorize
the
contributors
upon
the
their
answers
to
this
question
as
a
promoter
passive
and
the
detractors.
B
F
C
To
evaluate
contributors
general
loyalties
to
to
community
because,
but
I
don't
want
to
say
loyalties
as
a
matrix
name,
because
it's
two
senses,
the
incentive-
I
mean
loyalty,
is
often
for
a
family
or
country
to
your
wife
or
or
husband.
So
I
I
use
this
recommendability
and
to
show
the
meaning
and
also
the
object,
another
objective:
to
figure
out
why
contributors
would
leave
your
communities
even
prevent
others
from
from
drowning,
so
upon
the
feedback
from
contributor
community
with
the
setup,
I
would
say
that
closed
loop,
precise
to
prove
to
improve
the
community.
C
So
after
I
ask
this
first
question:
how
likely
is
that
you
as
contributor
to
recommend
then
the
second
question
is
really
based
on
your
answer:
the
result
of
first
question.
So
if
you
don't
like
it,
so
I
would
never
recommend,
because
so
based
on
the
your
answer,
I
will
handling.
If
anything
wrong
is
wrong
in
my
community
I
would.
I
should
improve
that,
and
also
if
the
answer
is
like.
Yes,
I
really
like
this
community.
C
A
C
Yeah
first,
I
I
want
to
evaluate
the
contributors,
the
generalities
to
to
my
community,
our
project,
to
see
how
how
it's
going
in
mecca
communities
because
we're
always
getting
or
evaluate
such
status
from
some
data
getting
from
just
getting
from
the
rest.
Api
like
git,
commit
get
comments,
but
we
can
also
treat
this
light
or
community
members
to
answer
this
question
directly.
I
want
to
communicate
with
them
face
to
face
or
by
this
question,
so
I
can
get
direct
answer.
You
like
it
or
you
don't
like
it.
So
that's
my
purpose.
A
So
I
I
like
this
shauna
in
the
name
yeah.
E
D
And
your
way,
I
think
we
can
also
consider
it
as
a
evaluation
model
for
matrix,
because
I
think
the
next
metric
is
mixed
with
other
also.
So
I.
C
Think
yeah,
just
like
a
conversion
rate.
We
can
also
pop
up
it
with
the
in
the
matrix
model,
together
with
other
metrics,
because
when
the
user,
when
our
contributor
told
us
that
I
don't
like
it,
because
your
first
response
time
is
too
long,
then
yes,
which
means
they
can
combine
these
three
two
metrics
into
as
a
model
to
evaluate
and
then
the
whole
status.
A
B
Yeah,
okay,
great
all
right!
So
so
I
jotted
down
a
few
things.
So
I
think
for
next
time,
I'll
take
a
look
at
the
conversion
rate
and
kind
of
clean
that
up
and
I'm
good,
and
I
suspect
we
could
probably
spend
some
nice
time
on
what
was
just
shown.
C
C
B
The
sharing
share
all
right
well
until
next
time
again,
you
know
we'll
we'll
see
most
of
you
next
next
week
in
the
metrics
model,
discussion
yeah.