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A
All
right,
I'm,
gonna,
I
hit
recording
again
and
that
way,
but
now
we'll
have
it
I
guess
it'll
be
in
two
different
clouds:
precious
you'll
have
the
first
half
of
our
discussion
and
the
second
half
is
going
to
be
inside
of
Chaos
Cloud
somewhere,
which.
A
So,
as
we
were
saying
in
the
last
discussion
that
there
are
those
three
interfaces-
and
your
question
was:
where
do
you
want
to
start
because
you
need
to
start
with
one
and
I
was
hemming
and
hawing
about
trying
to
suggest
starting
with,
because
I
have
I
have
these
different
interests
in
play,
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
a
direct
answer.
I
mean.
A
Certainly
I
can
facilitate
work
with
the
the
auger
view,
project
which
has
not
yet
moved
into
the
chaos
organization,
because
I
don't
yet
want
to
support
it,
but
it
should
be
ready
for
that
pretty
soon.
A
And
then
the
question
is
like
obviously
I'm
looking
toward
having
you
know,
basically
wrapping
some
of
this
eight
knot
project
into
it,
which
is
another
completely
different
discussion,
but
I
guess
I
would
say
that
when
it
comes
to
the
design
work,
I,
certainly
like
the
design
work.
Now
this
is
presented
using
technology
called
Dash
and
plotly.
A
So
this
project,
for
example,
I
think
you
could
style
simply
by
using
CSS.
So
if
it
depends
like
what
kind
of
design
is
your
group
or
are
people
on
your
team,
the
most
interested
in
there's,
there's,
obviously
design
that
makes
things
more
visually
appealing,
there's
design
that
makes
information
more
findable,
there's
overall,
you
know
flow
and
interaction
design.
What
what
conversation
should
we
be
having?
That
would
be
of
the
greatest
interest
to
the
group
that
you
have.
B
So
I
I
think
the
designers
we
have
they.
They
are
like
on
this
order,
like
they
do
both
like
visual
appealing
designs
like
they
do
like
different
kinds
of
designs
right
and
the
present
Legion
usually
would
want
to
create
a
design
system.
You
know
which
is
Kingsley.
It
was
supposed
to
be
on
the
score,
but
he
kind
of
like
he's
not
feeling
well,
so
that's
why,
instead
of
Shifting
the
call?
B
That's
why
we're
recording
so
like
they
do
like
different
kinds
of
it
just
depends
on
what
like
say,
for
example,
what's
the
the
objectives
for
say,
for
example,
it's
not
is
and
what's
what
is
required
to
do
on
this
side,
and
then
they
would
take
that
feedback
and
implements
it
depending
on
what
you,
what
your
expectations
are.
So
I
think
there
are
quite
diverse
and
could
work
with
you.
They
just
need
that
information
of
what
what
are
we
trying
to
achieve
with
the
site
or
the
UI
and
work
with
that.
A
Okay,
so
candidly
speaking,
which
I
tend
to
do
anyway,
I've
worked,
I've
worked
with
design
teams
before
and
I
I
know
there
is
a
there's,
a
part
of
it.
That's
pure,
like
I,
guess,
graphic
design
and
information,
architecture,
kinds
of
work
and
I
I.
Think
what
I'd
like
to
start
so
and
then
there's
like
seeing
the
results
of
that
work.
A
So
is
there
a
thought,
I
guess
would
the
would
the
process
be
one
of
first
we
do
the
graphic
design
piece
and
the
graphic
design
of
the
flow,
and
then
we
as
a
second
step
deal
with
the
implementation
of
that
design,
and
some
of
the
artifacts
that
might
emerge
from
that
process
are
images
and
CSS
that
could
be
used
or
employed
in
a
particular
interface
is.
A
Is
that
kind
of
the
flow
I
want
to
make
I
just
want
to
make
sure
like
I
understand
the
flow,
because
I
I
don't
want
to
like
ask
people
to
do
design
work
if,
like
I,
don't
know
how
to
make
I
want
to
make
sure
that
all
that
that
it's
also
able
to
get
carried
through?
A
So
they
can
see
the
results
of
their
work,
and
none
of
these
projects
is
like
something
anyone
can
just
sit
down
at
their
desktop
one
day
and
run,
though
I've
also
seen
CS
like
I've,
also
seen
people
where
designers
take
a
take
like
take
like
something
like
this
and
then
do
there's
like
settings
in
your
web
browser
where
they
can
actually
modify
the
CSS
like
live
in
the
browser
against
a
live
site
and
effectively
write
the
CSS
for
the
site.
A
That
way,
obviously,
you
can't
do
navigation
or
information
architecture,
but
you
know
you
like,
for
example,
this
could
be
made
visually
appealing,
possibly
with
that
kind
of
tool
set.
B
Okay,
yeah
I
think
I
I
kind
of
like
gets.
It
gets
and
also
for
the
designers
we
have.
They
do
not
like
they
do
not
deal
with
code
like
I,
think
it's
just
one
yeah.
So
it's
more
like
doing
like
the
graphical
aspect
and
then
it
developer
I
would
implement
it.
So
most
of
them
a
whole
lot
of
them
are
like
just
designers.
I
know
like
they
don't
do
like.
A
That
that's
exactly
what
I
expect
when
I'm
working
with
designers
I,
don't
expect
them
to
be
coders,
because
software
Engineers,
honestly
most
of
the
time,
make
terrible
designers.
As
you
can
see
from
this
this.
This
is
built
by
a
computer
science
student,
and
you
can
tell
no
criticism.
It's
really.
A
This
picture
can
be
made
better
this
the
layout
of
it
might
be
able
to
be
made
better,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
kind
of
like
a
crappy
way
to
navigate
this
to
page
through
everything
in
the.
In
my
view
and
I.
Think
honestly,
this
is
also
kind
of
a
crappy
way
to
navigate
where
I
have
to
search
for
One
repository
or
many,
but
I
do
like
I,
like
the
technical
visualizations
here.
A
Yeah
so
so
from
my
perspective,
You
Know
It.
So
this
is
the
project.
I
have
the
least
control
over,
of
course,
and
it's
also
the
project.
That's
not
it's
using
auger
for
the
data,
but
it
is
actually
not
a
official.
It's
not
a
chaos
project,
it's
just
using
chaos,
technology
and
that's
not
as
much
of
a
concern
to
me
as
as
you
might
think,
I
I
care
about
providing
our
community
with
like
tools
that
they
can
understand
and
use
and
I.
A
Think
like,
for
example,
I
think
Compass
is
certainly
the
most
visually
appealing
example
of
that
that
I've,
seen
and
I
like
how
it's
building
off
of
these
metric
models
that
have
been
developed
so
I
think
but
I
also
think
it
probably
needs
the
least
UI
work
yeah
or
at
least
design.
It
leads
the
least
design
work
of
the
three
because
go
ahead.
Yeah.
B
I
just
want
to
like,
like
for
eight
knots
and
the
the
the
other
one,
the
auger.
B
Okay,
now
for
this
position
you
know
I
I,
know
something
that
things
they
can
do
is.
You
know,
create
a
system,
a
design
system
for
one
and
it's
applicable
for
the
other
one,
because
they're
quite
similar
right,
and
that
would
be
easy
to
work
with
the
two
I.
Don't
know
if.
A
A
It
helps
Inspire
kind
of
like
where
people
are
trying
to
go,
and
here
like
in
in
the
case
of
both
Compass
well,
in
the
case
of
all
three
of
these
interfaces
that
that
I've
Illustrated
here
we're
gonna
have
in
the
you
know,
hundreds
of
thousands
of
different
repositories
in
each
of
these,
and
and
so
there
will
be
more
repositories
available
than
a
person
can
conceivably
ever
look
at
individually
and
so
part
of
part
of
it
is
the
individual
identifying
the
repositories
of
Interest
and
I.
A
Think
like
the
basic
flow
for
that
I'm,
not
saying
it
looks
like
crap,
but
the
basic
flow
for
that,
and
let
me
just
let
me
just
find
a
GitHub
repo
I
thought
this
was
real,
but
maybe
it's
not
oh
there's
nothing,
there's
nothing
in
it
and
there's
no
public
repositories
so
never
mind.
That's.
Why
that
one
didn't
work
I'm,
just
trying
to
think
of
a
I'm
trying
to
think
of
an
org
that
I
haven't
already
added
I'm.
B
A
Of
course,
when
you're
sharing
the
chat
like
just
oh
layer,
five
okay
got
it
oops,
that's
my
focus
all
right,
so
oops.
Where
was
I
here
in
fact,
I'm
positive
I
haven't
typed
that
one
before
and
then
I
click
add,
and
maybe
it
will
give
me
an
error,
but
maybe
it
won't,
it
says,
could
not
okay,
so
that
there
might
be
a
back
end
thing.
A
Let
me
I'm
just
curious
if
so
anyway,
if
that
were
to
work,
that's
kind
of
what
I'd
like
to
see,
then
with
a
little
bit
more
information,
obviously
about
the
repo,
then.
B
It's
fairly.
A
Yeah
well
I
mean
it
would
be
okay
if
it
listed
all
the
repos
in
my
profile
that
I
care
about,
but
it
would
be
good
if
I
saw
more
than
a
number
like
if
I
saw
the
URL
for
it,
for
example,
I
think
that
would
be
significantly
more
useful
and
I'm
just.
B
Go
ahead:
is
there
a
documentation
for
like
on
how
this
works,
because
I
knew
the
designer
might
also
want
to
work
with
that
like
understand
what
all
good
view
does
and.
A
Also
with
that
process
and
I
think
there's,
so
there
is,
if
I
go
to
there's
some
documentation,
but,
like
I
said
it's
not
released
yet
specifically
because
I
don't
want
to
have
to
support
it
yet
and
one
of
the
reasons
I
don't
want
to
have
to
support
it.
Yet
is
that
there's
pretty
good
documentation
for
installing
it
there's,
but
there's
also
and
the
the
main
branch
that's
actually
being
developed
is
Dev
foreign.
A
A
So
this
is
actually
the
original
default
auger
interface,
where
you
can
see
insights
if
they
exist,
but
they
usually
don't
repos
So,
currently
stored,
repos
or
you
can
see
the
groupings.
So
if
I
click
JS
I
see
these
groupings,
it
tells
me
the
commit
count.
The
total
use
count.
I,
don't
actually
think
this
is
a
bad
information.
A
Design
I
think
what's
missing
is
the
sort
of
just
show
me
my
stuff
and
allow
me
to
group
my
repos
part,
and
the
intention
ultimately
is
to
provide,
like
you
can
see
that
we
provide
like
here's
lines
of
code
changes
by
the
top
10
author,
it's
very
similar
to
what
hate
not
slash,
Aspen
provide.
A
These
are
just
not
dynamic,
you
know
and
and
I'm
sorry,
I'm
babbling
am
I
answering
your
question
or
did
I
just
go
off
on
a
tangent.
A
Again
right
so
so
this
is
so
the
reason
that
our
review
came
about
principally
honestly,
is
because
this
is
all
based
on
view.js
and
JavaScript,
and
the
node
environment
is
prohibitively
expensive
to
maintain.
So
if
we
were
to
update
all
all
of
the
libraries
in
this
interface
to
be
current
with
their
current
node.js
versions,
everything
would
break
lots
of
things
wouldn't
work.
There's
there's
historically
no
commitment
on
the
part
of
the
node
Community
to
backwards
compatibility.
A
So
this
means
that
if
you've
built
node
systems
ever
node.js
stuff,
it
just
breaks
on
every
release,
and
it's
just
it's
just
very
labor
intensive
to
maintain
so
AG
review
came
to
exist
primarily
because
of
how
terrible
the
node.js
environment
is
and
I
started.
You
know
we
chose
Twitter
rootstat
bootstrap
because
it
doesn't
require
I
mean,
doesn't
have
zero
JavaScript,
but
you
can
build
a
lot
without
JavaScript,
which,
like
I
said,
is
extremely
expensive
to
maintain.
B
Okay,
so
all
of
you
is
like
an
improvements
well.
A
It's
a
it's
a
basically
a
more
maintainable
technology
stack
for
I'll.
Send
you
this
so
I
just
sent
you
this
other
link
here
and
you
can
talk
to
the
back
end
of
it
either
this
way
I'm
putting
these
links
in
Slack.
A
So
the
this
is
those
those
I'm
not
sure
if
log
review
requires
the
port
number
or
not,
and
I
have
I
actually
have
the
API
map
to
Port
80
anyhow
on
that
server.
But
one
of
those
two
Links
at
the
bottom
I
think
are
the
information
that
somebody
who
wanted
to
fire
up.
Auger
view
would
need
to
fire
it
up
so
that
they
had
live
data
available
to
them
without
having
to
stand
up
a
separate
instance
of
Agra
on
their
own,
which.
B
B
B
B
I
wanted
differences
so
that
it
would
help
like
to
design
up
when
designing
like
new
understand
more
of
like
how
the
UI
for
ogre
view
should
look,
you
know
to
a
like
user
experience.
I
know.
A
Yeah
and
I
I
think
what's
missing
from
all
of
these
sites
is
any
explanation
whatsoever
of
what
these
projects
are.
What
what
are
their
constraints?
You
know,
there's
no,
there's
no
like
walking
a
person
through
these
are
metrics
for
open
source
repositories,
and
this
is
how
they're,
helpful
and
so
I
think
like
when,
when
somebody
recently
went
to
install
auger,
their
comment
to
me
was
well:
what's
it
for
and
I
and
I
think
if
you
looked
at
any
of
these
projects,
documentation
for
installation,
you
would
probably
walk
away
with
the
exact
same
question.
A
So
when
you
go
to
one
of
these
instances
of
auger
or
grimorlab
or
Compass
or
auger
view,
which
is
just
the
front
end
on
the
auger
back
end,
all
of
them
share
that
that
limitation,
that
it's
really
not
clearly
explained
what
what
these,
how
to
how
to
use
these
metrics,
to
tell
your
story
as
a
project
and
I
I.
Think
if
the-
and
this
is
probably
a
really
important
thing,
I'm
going
to
say,
but
maybe
not
if
I
imagine,
that
I
am
the
person
who
wants
to
understand
some
set
of
repositories.
A
I
I
come
to
one
of
these
tools.
I
want
to
just
give
it
a
list
of
the
repositories,
I
care
about
and
once
I
give
it
that
list.
Have
it
tell
me,
but
how
long
it's
going
to
take
to
produce
the
metrics
and
then
when
I
have
like
either
in
the
case
of
compass,
where
you
know,
I
really
do
like
the
fact
that
oops
Compass
is
organized
by
Metric
models.
A
I
mean
I,
really
really
like
that,
because
I
think
so
the
metric
models
kind
of
emerged
within
the
chaos
Community
from
in
practice,
the
way
that
people
were
actually
using
metrics
together
right,
so
they're
I,
think
I.
Think
you
can
say
that
they've
emerged
from
use
and
Compass
is
information.
Architecture
does
a
really
good
job
of
presenting
that
that
view
these
are
metric
models.
It's
you
know.
They
could
be
more
clear
that
this
they
could
be
more
clear
that
code
quality
guarantee
is
a
metric
model.
A
But
that's
you
know
this
project
just
started
like
two
months
ago.
So
it's
doing
fantastic.
There's.
B
A
B
A
This
I
I
think
this
is
spectacular.
Work
like
I
had
a
little
trouble
Mommy
and
making
it
work,
but
I
I
had
the
same
trouble
with
blog
review
as
well,
so
we
will
call
I
think
in
in
every
case.
These
are
so
I.
Think
there's
like
one
problem.
One
one
challenge
is
explanation.
Another
challenge
is
navigation
I,
like
the
navigation
organization
by
metric
model,
at
that
Compass
has
I
like
the
dynamism
of
the
visualizations
that
hate
not
slash.
A
Aspen
has
I
like
the
comparison
abilities
that
are
in
this
old
interface
and
also
just
the
ability
to
navigate
and
then
quickly
decide
if,
like
what
I
didn't
show,
you
is
like
if
I
want
to
compare
a
couple
of
repos
with
each
other,
like
you
know,
I,
like
the
ability
to
do
this
kind
of
comparison,
so
I've
got
two
repos
I'm
curious
about
that
are
in
this
database
that
I
I'm
curious
about,
and
you
know
here
now,
I
can
see
like
commits
per
week,
which.
A
I
guess
that
is
what
I
clicked
okay
versus
numpy
and
you
can
see
you
know
different
variations.
What
is
what
is
you
know
what
could
be
improved
about
these
graphs
I?
Think
showing
them
as
bar
charts
like
beatenet,
does,
would
be
good.
I.
Think
using
z-scores
would
be
helpful
because,
obviously,
when
you
have
a
spike
of
160
000,
it
compresses
the
whole
graph
and
it's
hard
to
do
a
comparison,
because
you
can
see
the
y-axis
is
basically
determined
by
the
highest
number
in
the
data
right.
A
So
if
you
have
one
super
high
number,
it
distorts
the
y-axis,
which
is
why,
like
this
kind
of
windowing,
which
wouldn't
be
the
designers
responsibility
to
implement
but
I,
think
I
think
this
kind
of
windowing
is
extremely
useful
and
you
know
the
capability,
the
capability
to
do
it
I,
you
know
I,
think
I,
think
it
belongs
in
every
design
of
of
metrics.
So,
like
the
perfect
world,
is
that
kind
of
visualization
with
the
ability
to
add
repos
and
then
the
second?
So
those
are
like
the
information
navigation
is
one
problem.
A
A
When
I
land
on
the
home
page
explain
what's
possible
when
I
navigate
to
a
repo,
explain
what
I
am
looking
at
comparisons.
A
Oh
I'm
typing
in
slack
I,
can
I'm
only
typing
in
slack
because
of
the
ephemeralness
of
Zoom
chat.
A
So
I'll
also
since
I'll
also
put
this
in
Zoom
chat
when
I
find
Zoom
chat.
B
A
A
But
you
know
you
could
you
can
share
that
information
with
whomever
I
just
find
it
easier
like
I
I
find
it
challenging
to
go,
find
a
zoom
chat
from
two
weeks
ago,
and
so
so,
if
I
put
it
in
slack
at
least
you
know,
there's
a
much
better
chance.
I
can
find
it
and
you
can
find
it
as
well.
B
B
Recordings
and
and.
A
B
I
would
definitely
set
that
up
then
also
I
think
I
want
to
share.
So
there's
someone
that
reached
out
to
me
from
the
pi
data
Ghana
community
that
wanted
to
do
a
Sprint
with
chaos
with
the
python
related
projects.
We
have
I
wanted
to.
B
B
B
Let
me
share
it
this
with
you,
so
they
wanted
to
like
do
like
a
Sprint
that,
like
with
chaos
like
a
collaboration,
sort
of
and
I
really
don't
have
information
on
how
that
would
look
like
what
yeah.
A
This
is
okay,
all
right,
yeah
I
can
I
can
stop
recording
as
soon
as
I
find
the
button.