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CHAOSS.Common.August.6.2020
A
B
Now
it's
recording
okay,
so
welcome
to
the
chaos
common
working
group
meeting
for
august
6th
for
people
who
don't
have
the
link.
I
will
drop
that
into
the
chat
unless
somebody
else
probably
already
has
I'll
do
it
again
in
case
other
people
have
joined,
since
we
did
that
we
don't
have
a
ton
of
stuff
on
the
agenda,
which
partially
is
probably
because
I
missed
the
last
meeting.
B
So
I
didn't
know
what
to
put
on
the
agenda,
but
we
do
have
a
couple
at
least
one
urgent
thing
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
all
of
the
issues
closed
for
the
release.
So
that's
kind
of
the
first
thing
on
the
agenda.
That's
the
one
thing
we
really
need
to
get
through.
Then.
B
C
B
B
Looking
at
the
same
stuff,
okay,
you
can
see
that
right.
You
see
working
group,
okay,
cool.
I
was
a
little
nervous
when
I
share
stuff,
because
I'm
like
am
I
sharing
some
super
secret
confidential.
B
B
Oh,
this
will
be
on
the
next
release.
Oh
sorry,
oh
metrics,
candidate
release,
sorry.
B
D
D
B
Yeah,
okay,
well,
we'll
leave
that
one
contributor
location,
so
we
have
this
matt
broberg
likes
it.
So
so
I
think
we're
done
I'm
just
kidding.
Is
there
anything
for
the
ones
that
didn't
have
any
comments?
Is
there
anything
we
really
need
to
do
to
review
them?
Oh,
these
are
nice
visualizations,
cool.
C
B
C
B
Is
this
one
this
one
current
or
oh?
This
was
one
of
the
rolling
releases
and
now
we're
just
finalizing
it
to
put
it
in
the
release.
B
D
B
B
Feel
redundant,
but
I'm
just
going
to
say
that
because
it
feels
like
a
weird
sentence.
Otherwise
so
we'll
close
that
one.
E
E
C
B
B
C
E
F
B
B
B
C
B
B
E
Sorry
I
lost
my
zoom
screen
for
a
second.
I
think
I
have
everything
we
need,
but
maybe
we
should
check
the
website
real,
quick,
just
just
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
on
the
website.
As
you
want
it
to
appear.
I
just
dropped
lincoln.
E
B
B
D
D
E
Okay,
I
think
if
it's,
if
the
edit
is,
if
the
edit
is
a
response
to
comments,
then
I
think
it's
completely
fair
to
put
new
stuff
in
or
to
edit
the
metric
but
yeah
as
you.
As
you
said.
If
this
is
just
if
this
is
kind
of
off
base
kind
of
a
different
thing,
then
I
suppose
you're
right,
it
probably
needs
the
30
day.
Although.
B
I
actually
think
it's
kind
of
fuzzy
right,
probably
I
don't
think
in
this
case.
It
needs
a
30
day
because
we're
not
changing
anything
about
the
definition
of
the
metric,
we're
just
showing
two
additional
visualizations
for
how
people
might
want
to
look
at
it.
So
we
didn't
actually
change
anything
about
the
metric,
and
so
I
think,
if
we
change
definitions,
then
those
absolutely
need
the
30
days
so
that
people
could
look
at
them.
C
C
B
B
Oops
see
stuff
goes
on
the
call.
She
probably
just
noticed
that
I
merged
these
without
my
correct
email
address,
because
we're
trying
to
get
everybody
vmware
to
use
their
vmware
email
addresses
when
they,
when
they
do
things-
and
I
just
I
just
didn't
in
front
of
front
of
the
person
that
tells
tells
all
the
other
people
to
do
it
now.
A
G
B
Some
people-
okay,
so
let's
see
this
one,
I
got
distracted,
then
what
I
was
doing,
okay,
so
that
looks
good.
B
B
Okay,
so
we
got
the
pull
requests
taken
care
of,
and
then
we
got
the
issues
that
we
could
get
done
done.
Do
we
want
to
review
any
of
these
other
issues?
Some
of
these
were
kind
of
big
long
ones
that
we
occasionally
talk
about.
This
one
looks
a
little
bit
newer.
Georg,
is
this
one
that
did
we
talk
about
this
in
the
last
meeting,
the
one
that
I
missed?
B
Or
do
you
want
to
talk
about
this
now,
because
the
next
thing
on
the
agenda
is
going
through
the
pr's
and
issues
so
I've
just
transitioned?
Let
me
let
me
do
a
better
transition
back
up.
Does
anybody
have
anything
else
about
the
release
that
we
need
to
talk
about
before
I
just
transition
into
other
other
issues.
C
C
B
B
All
right,
okay,
so
transitioning
into
existing
issues.
We
already
did
all
the
pr's.
So
those
look
good
is
this
one?
You
want
to
talk
about
george,
or
did
we
talk
about
it
in
the
last
last
meeting
that
I
missed.
G
I
don't
remember
talking
about
it.
The
metric
is
about
the
do.
We
have
consistent
activity
levels
or
are
there
bursts
of
activity,
and
it
was
just
something
I
found
while
doing
research.
You
know
two
years
ago,
so
I
don't
actually
have
any
insights
to
how
useful
this
metric
is
or
if
anyone
needs
it.
It's
just
something.
I
came
across.
B
C
Obviously,
you
can
speak
better
to
it
don
as
to
if
you
are
drawn
towards
like
what
burstiness
around
issues
may
mean
at
vmware
versus
burstiness
around
prs.
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
you
would
track
or
around
email
exchanges.
You.
G
B
Yeah,
I
don't
know
if
it'd
be
it's
not
certainly
not
at
the
top
of
my
list
to
track,
just
because
I
suspect
that
some
of
our
stuff
is
probably
less
bursty
than
other
other
projects,
but
I
could
see
this
being.
I
could
see
this
being
really
interesting
to
track
around
repositories
that
have
to
do
with
things
like
like
events
or
things
that
have
like
distinct
moments
in
time
where
there
might
be
real.
A
B
Bursts,
I
remember
putting
some
of
the
repos
for
the
config
management
camp
website
through
course,
and
it
was,
it
was
definitely
bursty.
There
would
be
like
a
burst
of
activity
when
we
released
the
agenda
burst
of
activity.
When
you
know
during
the
event-
and
there
were
all
of
these
all
of
the
stuff
in
that
project
was
extremely
bursty,
so
yeah
it
might
be.
It
might
be
interesting
for
some
projects.
F
C
A
I
was
thinking
whether
it
it
can
bring
more,
maybe
more
kind
of
insights
if
it's
not
for
projects,
but
rather
for
a
group
of
projects,
organization
or
a
company,
because
that
can
give
some
insights.
A
How
active
the
maybe
the
community
is
around
the
the
example
that
you
provided
around
events
that
might
be
useful
for,
like
yeah
companies
or
for
a
particular
topic
to
be
to
be
visible
when,
when
the
activity
is
higher
and
what
can
boost
higher
activity
kind
of
events
and
inspire
people
to
participate
more
or
maybe
just
because
I
think
it
will
be
hard
to
analyze
per
project
rather
in
a
way
aggregated
for
a
group
of
projects.
B
Yeah
yeah,
it
would
be
interesting
to
look
across
yeah.
It
would
be
interesting
to
look
across
groups
of
projects
if
you
look
at,
like
I
don't
know
like
cncf
projects.
Is
there
anything
that
happens
right
around
around
kubecon
or
is
there
anything
that
happens
like?
Is
there
a
specific
thing
that
happens
during
the
year
that
might
generate
more
interest.
A
Yeah
I
was
seeing
here
from
the
compliance
that
I
was
seeing
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
push
to
open
source,
certain
things
before
some
big
events,
because
people
want
to
share
it
with
the
rest
of
the
world
or
the
rest
of
the
company
and
want
to
get
approval
when
the
necessary.
A
C
C
H
C
B
B
Okay,
are
there
any
other
of
these
issues
that
people
want
to
talk
about
again?
These
are
the
old
old
ones.
B
B
C
So
when
you
were
looking
at
the
issues,
I
was
also
I'm
also
in
the
spreadsheet
at
the
moment,
and
I
can
put
it
here
in
the
chat
and
I
was
just
trying
to
line
up
the
issues
that
you
were
talking
about
with
what
we're
doing
in
the
spreadsheet.
That's
all.
B
C
D
Okay,
yeah
and
burstiness,
like
in
the
language
of
what
auger
auger,
would
identify
burstiness
as
an
anomaly
like
if,
if
there's
like
periods
in
the
project
that
fall
outside
of
some
norm,
then,
and
particularly
if
it's
like
an
annual
event,
that
would
probably
just
show
up
in
an
anomaly
detection,
algorithm
yeah.
But
you
don't
even
need
a
fancy
machine
learning
algorithm
to
go
and
look
and
see
the
number
of
commits,
pull
requests
or
whatever
rises
at
one
time
of
year.
All
right,
like
you
know,
you
don't
need
no
fancy
computing
to
do
just
chat.
B
That's
true,
yeah,
okay,
it
looks
like
we
talked
about
this
back
in
may,
which
is
when
we
added
it
to
the
release
spreadsheet.
So
that's
that
one
has
been
added
the
others,
the
others.
I
think
we
just
don't
know
what
to
do
with
them.
A
B
Some
of
these,
the
reason
this
is
still
an
issue
is
that
there
was
just
a
bunch
of
stuff
in
here
and
we
haven't
made
metrics
out
of
all
of
them.
Yet.
A
B
So
this
is
it's
all
around
email
addresses
and
organizational
affiliation,
which,
as
we
know,
is,
is
hard.
That's
the
hardest
hardest
one
to
get
right,
so
there
are
just
a
whole
bunch
of
comments
about
about
that
and
identity
management
and
that
that
sort
of
thing
I
know
I
have
next
on
the
agenda
to
review
the
action
items.
But
since
we
were
talking
about
the
spreadsheet,
maybe
we
just
quickly
do
a
review
of
the
metrics
spreadsheet.
Do
you
want
to
drive
that
matt?
Since
you
were
just
updating
it.
C
D
C
B
About
the
metric
definition,
it's
just
additional
additional
visualizations
exactly.
B
C
B
B
C
B
C
A
C
E
B
C
A
D
D
D
C
D
D
B
D
So
we
were
we're
basically
distinguishing
between
we're
not
trying
to
track
that
kind
of
event
we're
only
trying
to
just
track.
What's
your
fork
account
boom
yeah,
that's
it
and
so
technical
forks.
You
can
see
in
the
edits
that
that's
what
we
were
working
to
distinguish.
F
C
Why
why
what's
the
rationale
for
these
forks
to
be
common.
D
B
D
It's
used
for
it
is
used
for
value,
evolution
and
risk
for,
in
you
know
those
they
mean
different
things.
The
trends
mean
different
things
in
each
group.
I
think.
I
G
Came
out
of
an
exercise
we
did
where
we
looked
at
what
remo,
lab
and
agar
already
implemented
and
grimoire
lab
has
the
level
of
lines
and
files
to
look
at
what
has
changed
in
commits
in
pull
requests.
Yeah.
D
D
Is
there
another
group
that
is
looking
at
lines
and
files,
because
all
of
the
all
of
the
metrics
that
are
sort
of
directly
related
to
committing
code
exist
in
evolution,
and
so
this
was
more
of
a
question
about.
Do
we
include
it
in
this
working
group
or
does
it
should
be
an
evolution?
I
have
no
religion
either
way.
I
think
I
think
I
just
pointed
out
it
lots
of
this
kinds
of
stuff,
and
if
you
go
to
the
evolution
tab,
there
may
actually
be
a
metric
candidate.
D
B
Well,
I
think
you
know
we
haven't
started
this
in
the
I
mean,
there's
no
document
linked
to
it.
I
think
we
just
keep
talking
about
it
here
in
common,
and
I
would
say
that,
if
you're
farther
along
in
evolution
and
you've,
already
included
this
in
some
other
metrics,
then
it
probably
just
makes
sense
not
to
do
it
in
common
and
just
leave
it
in
in
evolution.
If
that's.
D
I'm
sorry
an
evolution
files
is
not
anywhere
yet,
as
far
as
I
know,.
B
D
D
D
Yeah,
I
I
think
so
I
think
yeah
I
think
so,
but
then
we
should,
I
don't
know,
can
we
just
move
it
to
evolution?
D
B
G
B
Yeah,
let's
do
that.
I
mean
I
think
daniel
was
involved
because
grimoire
lab
already
did
this
and
he
would
just
happen
to
be
in
the
discussion
when
we
were
talking
about
it,
but
I
don't
think
he's
actually
done
anything
on
it.
Okay,
it
might
be
worth
just
reaching
out
to
him
and
letting
him
know
that
we
moved.
We
moved
the
metric
to
evolution
so
that
if.
C
B
Spreadsheet:
okay:
let's
go
back
to
the
agenda
action
items
from
the
previous
meeting.
B
Slacker,
whoops,
okay,
so
sean
language,
yep
still
working
progress.
We've
talked
about
that
one
already.
D
B
Looks
like
this
was
an
action
item
twice
in
the
last
agenda.
So
I'll
just
add
some
more
details
there
and
then
this
one
we
did.
This
was
the
pull
request
that
we
just
added
the
two
screenshots
to
this
is
the
one
we
already
talked
about.
B
B
B
I
actually
think
it's
cubecon.
B
Yes,
indeed
it
is,
it
is
kubecon
for
the
next
one.
So
does
somebody
want
to
volunteer
to
run
run
the
one
on
the
20th.
C
C
C
Okay,
can
you
do
one
more
thing
for
me?
Could
you
open
the
metrics
tab
or
the
spreadsheet
sorry.
C
D
D
C
G
D
D
And
that
might
be
pull
request.
We
might
end
up
calling
that
poll
or
review
files
we're
still
in
discussions
about
whether
we
can
change
the
name
of
reviews
to
full-size,
merge
requests
and
and
the
real
the
thing
we're
discussing
in
evolution
as
you've.
All
we
talked
about
this
in
the
common
college,
making
sure
that
we're
conceptually
consistent
and
incorporate
garrett
appropriately,
because
it's
it's
code,
review,
request
or
code
change
request,
whatever
they
call,
it
is
kind
of
like
a
pull
request
and
kind
of
like
a
commit,
but
it's
only
ever
one
commit.
D
So
there
are
parts
of
it
that
are
conceptually
different
and
other
parts
that
are
conceptually
similar
to
a
pull
request.
So
we're
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
that
meant.
What
a!
What?
What
that
metric
pull
request,
merge,
request,
review
request,
means
in
garrett
and
if
it
means
something,
that's
the
same
or
different
or
whatever.
D
On
the
next
evolution
column
with
armstrong
and
help
us
sort
it
out,
because
I
am
not,
I
have
not
used
garrett
very
much
in
my
career
and
it's
been
a
long
time.
So
I
can't
I
can't
really
speak
authoritatively
about
it.
B
Okay,
so
we
have
three
minutes
left
in
the
spirit
of
ending
all
the
chaos
calls
at
50
past
the
hour.
Is
there
anything
else
that
people
want
to
anything
else?
We
need
to
talk
about
or
are
we
are
we
good
to
go.
C
B
That's
good
yeah.
I
like
the
idea
of
focusing
on
on
some
of
the
metrics
next
time
and
moving
some
of
those
forward.
Maybe
somebody
could
talk
to
vanode
and
see
if
he
wants
to
come
and
talk
about
forks.
That
would
be.
I.