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A
So
this
is
the
january
20th
2021,
diversity
and
inclusion
meeting.
It
is
the
first
day
the
united
states
will
have
a
female
vice
president,
and
yesterday
was
the
last
day.
We've
never
had
one.
So
I
will
take
a
moment
to
recognize
that
and
then
ask
if
you
all
wanted
to
continue
the
discussion
about
how
to
archive
our
notes
before
we
proceed,
because
I
did
interrupt
that
when
I
was
messing
with
my
office
pieces.
B
That
some
group
groups
have
archived
archived
off
2020
into
an
older
document
and
then,
with
the
newer
document,
have
a
link
to
the
older
document.
You
never
know
how
good
someone's
internet
is.
A
I
think
it
depends
on
the
working
group
so,
for
example,
maybe
every
like
in
the
case
of
risk,
I
wouldn't
want
to
archive
2020
because
there's
a
lot
of
substantial
discussion
from
the
latter
part
of
the
year
that
we
would
want
to
easily
reference.
A
But
I
could
see
say
going
back
six
months
and
you
know
every
time
we
reach
a
year
archiving
the
oldest
six
months
or
something
like
that.
I
mean
at
least
I
don't
know
how
this
working
group
feels,
but
in
in
the
case
of
risk
and
evolution
like
in
january.
If
we
archive
2020,
we
wouldn't
lose
a
lot
of
context
that
you
know
even.
C
Yeah,
okay,
from
a
from
a
community
standpoint,
we
had
been
talking
about
archiving
meeting
notes
by
the
year
immediately
following
the
that
first.
A
Metrics
release,
and
I
think
that
is
what
forgive
me
I
think-
was
it
emily
that
was
saying
that
or
amy
amy
amy.
Sorry,
it's
okay!
When
there's
no
picture,
I
can't
see
whose
lips
are
moving.
That's
because
I'm
cold!
Oh!
I
understand
that
yeah.
I
know
it's
that
there's
no
need
to
have
a
picture.
C
I
don't
believe
that
I
believe
someone
was
working
on
a
process
to
archive
them
in
markdown.
D
Well,
I
mean
I'm
not
in
john
l
and
we
actually
was
we're
successful,
but
nothing
really
came
of
it
at
the
time
I'm
gonna
see
if
we
can
find
that.
C
So
there
was,
there
was
discussion
on
the
kind
of
the
the
permanence
of
a
google
doc
and
how
open
they
really
are
for
archiving.
A
Yeah,
that's
a
genuine
concern.
What
we
could
do
I
mean
what
we
could
do
temporarily,
because
I
think
the
immediate
concern
is
that
some
of
these
documents-
this
one
in
particular,
is
like
50
pages
long
and
people
with
internet
constraints
like
people
like
me
who
have
five
people
in
the
house
zooming
right
now,
it
probably
takes
a
long
time
to
load.
C
Kevin
I
I
was
not.
I
was
not
responding
because
I
don't
know
that
I
have
an
answer
to
that:
okay,.
A
F
E
Right,
I
don't
know
that
there's
a
single
folder.
I
think
I
built
most
of
the
meeting
notes
like
long
long
ago.
You
know
what
I
mean
like.
I
think
I
built
or
did
right.
A
E
A
E
A
And
you
know,
I
think,
whoever
I
think
that's
a
fantastic
idea.
Elizabeth
is
on
the
call
elizabeth.
Could
I
ask
you
to
create
such
an
account
out
and
folder
and
then
move
I'll
create
what
I'm
gonna
do
I'm
just
gonna
executive
eyes,
I'm
just
gonna,
like
I'm
gonna,
facilitate
aggressively
here
and
I'm
gonna
create
a
new
note.
A
new
google
doc
of
the
150
pages.
A
Excuse
me
that
exists
before
this
year,
assuming
I
have
enough
memory
in
my
clipboard
to
handle
that
it's
my
64
gig
zeon,
cpu
mac
pro,
is
choking
on
this
internet
task.
So
well
that
does
or
doesn't
happen
wow.
That
was
a
poor
choice.
A
D
Sure
would
markdown
be
fine.
That's
a
lot
easier
to
load
than
a
google
doc.
If
you're
looking
at
a
year's
worth
of
content.
A
D
Yeah-
and
I
I
worked
with
john
l
on
that,
but
he
did
the
actual
like
putting
it
and
like
transferring
it.
I
put
the
images
in
which
will
have
to
be
done
afterward,
but
it
was
actually
a
pretty
quick
process.
It
took
less
than
15
minutes
for
a
year,
so
I'll
I'll
reach.
I
think
I'll
reach
out
to
him
again
and
just
see
how
he
did
that
all
right,
we'll
ask
quickly
used
and
then
follow
up
next
week.
A
You're,
creating
a
chaos,
google
account
and
that's
everything,
a
shared
folder,
I'm
putting
ai's
in
the
notes.
So
no,
these
are
actually
excellent
points
and
they've
come
up
before
and
and
I've
just
decided
we're
going
to
deal
with
it
right
now.
So
elizabeth
baron
is
going
to
create
a
chaos,
google
account
and
a
shared
folder
for
meeting
minute.
A
And
how
she
goes
about
that,
I'm
not
going
to
tell
her
how
to
do
her
job
and
then
ai
matt
snell
is
going
to
work
on
converting
the
archive.
So
I
might
suggest
we
start
with
the
google
docs
and
then
like
a
google
docs
set
and
then
matt
converts
the
archive
to
mark
down
ensuring
the
preservation
of
indentation
and
graphic
fidelity.
E
A
A
Start
drinking
yeah!
No,
I
I
I
confess
I
watched
msnbc
last
night
and
they
actually
had
a
countdown
clock.
A
So
yeah,
I
think,
does
anybody
object
to
that?
I
think
that's
valid
on
this
historic
day,
all
right,
so
it's
just
stopping
20
minutes
early.
That's
all
yeah,
all
right!
So
that's
I'm!
Just
gonna
put
a
yes
there!
Chaos
dna
self-reflection
is
how
is
that
what
we
just
discussed
the
how
to
capture
work
and
how
to
present
the
worker
are
these
so.
E
E
This
is
across
the
entirety
of
the
project
and
the
the
support
is
essentially
to
be
able
to
hire
people
externally,
not
like
a
huge
amount
of
money,
but
to
pay
people
externally
to
to
really
do
that
process
so
that
it's
not
somebody
internal
to
the
chaos
community
doing
that
reflection
so
that
we
have
you
know
kind
of
these
neutral
people
doing
this
reflection,
and
so
one
is
you
know
what
is
the
message
that
we
want
to
send
to
the
folks?
E
Maybe
one
is-
and
we
don't
have
to
talk
about
it
here,
because
we're
recording,
but
who
might
those
people
be,
is
one
question
so
who
might
those
people
be?
That
would
really
provide
the
skills
to
to
do
a
reflection
on
the
chaos
project
from
a
dna
perspective,
and
then
second,
you
know
what
is
what
are
we
hoping
to
accomplish
with
that
reflection
and
then
three?
E
E
Yeah,
exactly
here's
a
series
of
steps
that
could
help
your
community
do
a
self-reflection
yeah.
So
the
question
is
really
the
question,
and
maybe
people
have
thoughts
on
on.
You
know
identifying
these
people
and
what's
the
what's
part
of
that
outreach
that
we
want
to
to
say
to
the
external
folks
in
terms
of
what
we're
looking
to
accomplish
in
this
self-reflection,
you
know
kind
of
what
what
the
ask
is,
I
guess
to
participate
in
this
and
then
how
we
set
up
the
chaos
project,
to
capture
the
work
that
they're
doing
and
then
capture
this.
A
Yeah,
so
I'm
so,
it's
basically
look
you're
looking
for
for
suggestions
about
how
we
identify
outside
advisors,
how
we
reach
out
to
them
and
then
in
the
in
that
context,
how
we
frame
what
our
goals
are,
which
emerge
as
in
a
very
broad
sense
as
chaos
is
experimenting
with
the
self-reflection
and
how
to
do
that
process
with
external
advisors
and
obviously
we
want
to
do
it
in
a
way
that
is
helps.
The
community
move
forward,
doesn't
turn
the
community
into
a
battlefield
of
weirdness.
E
G
A
So
matt's
writing
down
some
goals
that
sort
of
help
to
conceptualize
what
we're
doing,
and
one
is
just
to
sort
of
you
know,
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
in
dni
inside
the
working
group
and
part
of
it
is.
A
You
know,
taking
some
of
the
metrics
and
ideas
that
this
group
has
generated
and
sort
of
looking
outward
to
the
rest
of
the
chaos
project
and
trying
to
apply
what
we've
laid
down
for
our
for
the
world
to
ourselves
and
and
to
do
that,
we,
our
perspective,
is
because
we've
been
thinking
about
it
for
so
long
having
outside
advisors
that
ford's
helping
us
pay
helps
to
ensure
that
we
have
perspective
on
the
work
that
we're
doing
and
then
so.
When
we're
asking
for
people's
involvement,
I
think
that
that
string
of
words
is
part
of
it.
D
I
think
we
need
to
find
people
that
are
as
external
as
possible.
There
are
a
lot
of
diversity-focused
governing
bodies
out
there
that
I
think
we
could
either
ask
for
help
or
talk
to
people
in
those
parties
like
I
went
throughout
names,
but
there's
a
lot
of
groups
that
are
focused
on
diversity
that
do
specifically
this
kind
of
thing.
D
I
think
they
would
love
to.
I
think
there
are
at
least
a
couple
of
them
who
would
love
to
get
paid
to
do
that?
Basically,.
E
B
I
mean
yeah,
I
had
to
find
the
button,
so
I
know
we're
talking
here.
Chaos
is
self
reflection,
primarily,
but
a
lot
of
groups
do
use
internal.
B
So
I
think
it's
important
to
realize
that
in
some
cases
it's
going
to
be
both
in
this
case
you
know,
yeah
we've
been,
we've
got
a
grant
to
go
out
and
get
people,
and
you
could-
and
if
I
think
I
know
who
matt
was
referring
to
butergia,
you
know
they
do
cross
the
line
between
being
external
and
internal.
B
B
B
C
C
D
E
D
A
B
When
you
get
the
metrics
back,
sometimes
you're
surprised
by
what
you
get
so
I
think,
no
matter
what
we
will.
As
long
as
the
right
metrics
are
asked,
we
will
get
an
eye-opening
experience,
one
way
or
the
other
that
hey
yeah.
We
really
are
doing
good
or,
oh,
my
god.
I
didn't
know
someone
thought
that
way.
I
mean
that's
what
happened
in
openstack.
B
There
were
some
really
bad
comments
and
there's
a
chance
that
they
weren't
actually
from
people
within
the
community,
but
you
know
it
definitely
gave
me
focus
to
make
sure
that
that
wasn't
the
general
feeling-
and
I
know
it's
not-
but
whether
they
were
truly
community
members
or
not.
I
mean
the
comments
weren't
nice
matt
saw
them
because
I
had
him
under
nda
and
I
I'd
like
to
hope
that
they
weren't
people
within
the
community,
but
you
never
know
doing
the
divisive
language
stuff
has
really
shown.
B
F
I
was
going
to
say
I
would
just
add
that
I
think
the
benefit
of
having
an
external
person
join
is
that
we
hopefully
some
metrics,
that
we
haven't
thought
of
yet
will
rise
to
the
surface.
So
I
think
that's
also
part
of
it
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
that
I
think
it
will
also
benefit
us
in
the
metrics
side
of
things
to
have
other
things,
to
measure
that
we're
not
measuring
currently.
F
E
I
would,
I
would
think
that,
from
a
liaison
perspective,
the
folks
who
whomever
they
might
be
mean
that
they
would
participate
probably
either
in
the
community
call
or
in
the
dni
meeting.
So
I
think
there's
enough
of
us
that
can
help
provide
kind
of
liaison
roles
with
the
cast
community,
because
there
is
something
to
be
said-
and
I
think
this
was
vanad's
point
that
right
you
bring
somebody
totally
external
to
the
chaos
project.
They
don't
really
know
the
bearings
of
the
project.
They
don't
really
like.
A
So
I
think
this
may
be
implied,
but
you
know
it's
how's
cast
doing
building
a
road
map
using
our
own
metrics.
There's
this,
I
think,
implied
goal,
and
maybe
it
doesn't
need
to
be
stated
above
a
reflexive
process
that
we
will
also
ultimately
harden
the
diversity
and
inclusion
metrics
that
we've
developed
today
by
applying
them
to
ourselves,
because
we'll
learn
what
you
know:
geez
that
sounded
like
a
great
way
of
measuring
something
on
paper.
A
But
when
we
go
to
do
it,
it's
has
this
practical
obstacle
or
doesn't
answer
the
questions
that
we
thought
it
would
answer
or
fails
to
show
us
the
full
picture
I
mean
they're,
I
mean
we're
gonna
find
shortcomings
whenever
it's
like
writing
code.
In
a
sense
you
know,
when
I
run
it,
I
figure
out
what
I
what
what
I
can
make
better
or
more
efficient
or
more
accurate,
and
I
think
it's
reflexivity
is
the
word
that
comes
to
mind.
E
E
This
is
kind
of
the
amy's
point
right,
like
certain
things
are
going
to
be
highlighted,
whether
positive
or
negative
things
that
we
might
think
about
going
forward
and
then
help
articulate
the
process
so
that
other
others
could
do
the
same
seem
okay,
yeah,.
A
A
C
For
for
goal
for
goal
number
four,
I
would
really
I
would
love
to
see
some
a
survey
tool,
maybe
come
out
of
that,
and
maybe
maybe
another
community
report
initiative
that
others
could
use
yeah.
I
think
that
would
be
great.
E
C
I
mean
I,
I
kind
of
think
I
I
kind
of
think
that's
how
we
we
get
at
some
of
this
this
data
and
if,
if
it's
a
mix
of
internal
and
external,
I
think
I
I
think
those
are
things
we
should
be
thinking
about
in
in
getting
here
what
chaos
metrics.
Can
we
apply
to
this
process?
What
what
chaos
metrics
can
we
recommend?
How
can
we
grab
them?
How
can
we.
C
How
can
we
make
this
process
available
to
people
in
the
future?
I
think
that's
something
that
we
have
to
think
all
the
way
through
goal,
one
two
three
and
four,
and
I
think,
insight
from
the
chaos
community
is
going
to
be
really
important
for
that
one,
because
it's
the,
as
I
said
earlier,
we're
in
the
we're
in
the
business
of
metrics
and
then
and
two
because
the
it
matches
so
well
with
our
initiatives,
the
the
you
know
providing
tooling
and
reports
for
for
other
projects.
C
E
All
right
cool
we
have
15
seconds
left
on
our
well.
I
just
wanted
to
go
to
the.
A
Last
bullet
point:
if
you
click
on
that
link,
the
github
chaos.
Congratulations,
yes,
clicking!
Actually
I'm
not
sharing
is
someone
else
sharing.
I
can.
E
G
What
I
recall
we
were
supposed
to
have
the
pdf
for
the
pdf
of
all
these
translations,
but
these
are
md
files.
E
G
So
sorry
I
turned
up,
but
what
I
was
like
last
time
discussed
with
kevin
was
like
when
we
switched
to
a
new
platform
for
the
website.
These
md
will
be
helpful,
like
having
a
direct
chinese
version
of
that,
rather
than
a
pdf.
A
Tell
me
what
you
mean
you
mean
the
markdown
being
in
chinese
is,
is
advantageous.
A
G
And
when
we
pull
the
record
from
the
markdown,
it
will
directly
show
in
the
chinese
rather
than
having
a
conversion
done
or
opening
a
pdf
file
directly
at
the
website
can
directly
show
in
the
chinese
version
or
a
spanish
version.
Having
markdown
will
be
helpful.
I
guess
kevin
can
add
to
that.
Maybe.
C
Yes,
that
is
true.
That's
having
having
the
markdown
translated
is
a
good
thing
and
it'll
it'll
help
us
in
the
future,
as
we
as
we
make
more
and
more
moves
to
translate
parts
of
the
website
to
for
the
for
the
pdf
release
that
we're
talking
about
that
is.
Gonna
that'll
occur
in
march,
and
that's
basically
we'll
we'll
release
a
pdf
version
of
the
english
metrics
release.
C
The
chinese
metrics
release
and
the
spanish
metrics
release
and
that'll
it'll
be
a
long
pdf
document
that
basically
incorporates
all
of
the
metrics
that
have
been
released
to
date.
E
For
example,
but
so
to
that
and
then
so,
the
idea
here
is
that
these
are
like.
We
can
work
in
this
translations.
Repo
now.
A
E
E
A
E
Is
where
the
translation
work
will
occur
as
we
have
new
metrics
that
come
out
I'll
simply
have
them
translated
in
full
and
add
them
to
this
repo,
as
we
have
minor
changes,
we're
going
to
have
to
encourage
the
working
groups
to
to
put
their
issues
in
here.
Okay,
so
you
know
what
I
mean
so
like.
If
evolution
has
a
minor
change,
you
can
take
care
of
it
in
your
own
repo,
but
then
you'll
also
have
to
post
an
issue
or
cross-post
the
issue
that
says,
because
of
this
minor
change.
C
We
may
we
may
have
to
think
about
some
sort
of
yearly
or
by
yearly
audit,
where
we
just
kind
of
take
a
peek
and
make
sure
that
everything
is
still
copacetic
yep.
A
That
makes
total
sense.
Is
there
a
volunteer
that
wants
to
facilitate
the
next
meeting
or
I'm
happy
to
do
it?
Another
time
since
I
was
tragically
cut
short
by
the
election
of
a
legitimate
president,
I
can
take
care
of
it
next
week.
All
right,
that's
great!
Thank
you!
Matt,
I'm
gonna
put
you
down
as
facilitator.
A
Matt
snell
I've
added
a
few
things
that
I'm
sure
we'll
come
back
to
next
week
and
put
some
placeholder
ones
and
twos
in
the
attendees
for
the
27th,
and
I
think
this
would,
unless
anyone
else
has
anything
they
need
to
add.
This
would
conclude
this
diversity
and
inclusion
meeting
on
january,
20th
2021
the
inauguration
of
our
46th
president
and
first
female
vice
president
very
exciting,
good
everybody.
It's
good
to
see
you
all.