CHAOSS Common Metrics Working Group, 22 Mar 2019

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CHAOSS.Common.March.21.2019

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Previous action items, Shawn was gonna, create a template in the repository basically modeled off with GMD template. I have not seen that yet and he's not here so I'm going to assume that's ongoing Matt was going to filter and consolidate the metrics list and he's not here either so looks like no update on that and the risk working group is gonna. Look at the take on the the license. Metrics did it? Does anybody attend the risk working groups if I know, if there's been any progress on that?

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Okay, mostly that is ongoing or no update, and then I was supposed to identify other issues that should be tagged with common metrics and I totally forgot to do that. So there's no progress on that. One.

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So that's easy, then: let's see progress on the organizational affiliation metrics Brian. Did you get a chance to reach out to talk to Toby about this one I.

B

Did not okay, so.

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It's bumped up on my notes: I'll try to do that today or tomorrow. Okay,.

A

No worries realistically I think this might be a short meeting because I don't think any of us got our work, get anything done because they're conferencing, so there just wasn't a lot a lot going on how about progress on the responsiveness, metrics, I, think Daniel. You were looking at that right. Yeah.

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So I know that you had another meeting two weeks before that I could not then I didn't know if we had some specific advances on this okay, so what they did, or at least I start started to to work on worse, at least a set of metrics that we have been seen with some people, some customers and so on. So I will copy some of them here.

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Is there an issue where we're tracking? Oh sorry, the track.

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What they've been let's say, retrieving into incoming information. I can produce a specific definition for tears, but in short- and this is.

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Yeah, this is, let's say, pretty focused on Garrett, so there might be other code review processes, let's say, for instance, may ministers in the linux kernel, so this works in a different way. So we may use some of this, but basically time to merger is the time the. Since we have oh it's for the whole time in here, the neighbors would looking for specific things like we have. You know we have iterations, and then we have the time for each of the directions there.

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Each of the iterations- basically, this is a ping-pong between the submitter and reviewer to them in this case as well, doesn't need to be in this way, but typically you have one submitter and one reviewer. So it means that well, there is a time waiting for a reviewer action and there is a time waiting for a submitter action. We've been using these, for instance, probabilistic foundation, then the number of iterations the time to merge since this was approved.

C

So this is an example were sanguine, says well, for instance, in Garrick Plus to own in in in the Linux kernel. I acknowledge this. So then there is a time until since this is a proof that say till this is really in the the master branch and then the time the for responds to say, hey someone sent something. So what's our time for attendance here, this more or less the the time in IE I produce.

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Do we have do we have an issue or a dock where we're tracking the.

D

Brony moment there.

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Might did we create an issue for it? We might have just gonna look.

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No I don't think so. I.

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Can open these you if you want okay.

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Yeah perfect, okay.

C

Question here perhaps I missed something: do we want to work on Google Docs as women, for instance devaney in DNI or medically in the issue? Okay, I.

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Think yeah I mean I, think both I think we want an issue for it so that we can track it and a link to the Google Doc.

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We can also do some of the work in the issue if we're just trying to figure out kind of what we're, what we're trying to do and how to put the doc together, but but yeah I think a Google Doc is a good. A good first step. Do.

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We have any template for this or simply start writing things. I would.

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Yeah, maybe I, don't know we really so the bit that we're doing now is a bit different than what the what a lot of the other Doc's and the templates have which is stuff about individual. You know like details for each individual, metric and I. Think right now. What we're trying to do is get the list of metrics that we should be that we should be working on so and then once we have the list, we can figure out the definition.

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So we might already have definitions for some of them in the metrics repository I haven't really haven't really looked, I mean, it seems. Sorry, sorry, I just got back last night from San Francisco and my brain is not working. Yes, I.

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A little bit jet-lagged.

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If there, if you post it in the document, I can do it kind of a cross-check as to whether or not any particular metrics is in the metrics repo I. Think they're, just gonna have to be some cleanup. It's done like you know. Some of them have different names, but they're the same fundamentally, the same thing. So if you can just get those posted I, don't mind kind of just cross-checking things: okay,.

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Yeah I think I think what else rest day was I. Think if we, if we start with an issue- and we list out all the metrics- that we think we're gonna need for this particular area. I think that would be a really good starting point. And then then what we might want to do is do one more review in the in the call and decide that yeah.

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It makes sense to group these together into a focus area, and if that makes sense, then we can probably start working on individual Google Docs for individual metrics and and put focus areas into the into the repo, because I think what we'll probably need to do is in the metrics repo, create a directory for focus areas and figure out what the focus areas are, because that's you.

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A bit of work that we still need to do so. We've we've been looking at the metrics and opportunistically picking a few focus area, so organizational affiliation.

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Responsiveness.

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Metrics Geographics geographic data, and so those are kind of the three that we've identified so far, I'm sure there are other other focus areas, I think part of the work you do is kind of break those metrics down in focus areas and then and then figure out how to how to define them. Does that yeah.

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It makes sense to me I think. The one question that I'll have is how those will be shown in the metrics repo mm-hmm. Given a current table, you know I do want to do it like above or below, or would you have a different markdown file anyway? It's fine with me.

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I mean might so so. The way I would envision this as we'd create a focus areas directory which would have a readme file, which would have a list of all.

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Have it be similar to the way that we've done for a DNI, except that the firt, the landing page for metrics, would probably still be this big list of metrics and linked off like.

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Total those individual.

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Ones that maybe we might.

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About eventually reordering that list, because alphabetically make much sense, given the way that the sharor.

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Yeah find you in the sides of it: yeah: okay, no I'm cool with that. That makes sense thanks. Oh.

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Anything else on.

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Sorry, I'm gonna I want to break this down into how to work in the metrics repository in the notes, because we diverged quite a bit from responsiveness metrics into a discussion on the metrics repository. Sorry.

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That was me no.

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No, that's totally fine, but in a separate section, because I think.

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Just so we don't lose it. Okay,.

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Anything else on the responsiveness, metrics Daniel, I.

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Don't know question where should I open these you.

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Tag it with a common common metrics, there's already a tag for I, just make sure it gets the tag, so we can find it. Okay, thanks.

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Okay and then the next bit is.

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The work that John did on hmm oh, that link, doesn't work anymore. The issues link because I changed the name of the tag to common metrics.

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So John did a bunch of work on the geographic coverage area which you can see in issue number issue number 93.

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Anybody have any you have to scroll down quite a bit, because this was a morphed from another another issue.

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Any any thoughts on this it looks like maybe Georg you and you and John kind of went back and forth on some some wording. Does anybody have any want to summarize this or have any take on it?.

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Didn't make sense to me initially, but we figured it out Katherine. He proposed three he's supposed to separate out location by where is the contributor located and where this company and the reason for that is.

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Once we get x in UTC and we have to location figure out whether conditions are very like no business hours out of business hours and get some inside.

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I wonder if we're I'm wonder if we're missing some things in that didn't we look down at our previous previous notes, because I think that didn't kate have a bunch of suggestions.

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Terms of geographic stuff from care.

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Trying to think I think.

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Okay, I, don't think I mean I'm in a car right now, but I don't think I have I, don't think I, don't think I've written any notes recently from her okay regarding this issue, I think.

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What I'll do is I'm gonna tag her and see what thoughts she has on it. Okay,.

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Okay, I'm just got tagged her in the.

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Cool anything else on um Geographic for today, probably probably should cycle back on it in the next meeting. Hopefully, when.

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When John's here.

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Just mention here that importance of Ramallah we have time zones, it is something discussed here and in for some people we were talking at simply adding the country president. So then well they can filter away this information. This is supported by charting, have, for instance, that personal personal community many years and they were filling the information there, which is perhaps not consider here kind of consider eyepiece, but it's it's set around the issue. They've been really now anything. It's quite interesting, this hours of activity by a meter overall for just make two cents here: okay,.

A

So it sounds like the biggest gap is probably time zone in this. This list.

C

Oh, it's not time so might be time. Some. The answer is given by git repositories and mailing lists, at least, and then we have a specific city of precedence for those that are declaring this. It had, for instance, or meetups, and.

C

Then the information provided by a Community Managers or the people themselves, when talking directly to shorting hand in terms of having their personal information somewhere. So we have the places I'm aware of that information might be useful. Regarding to this topic. Okay,.

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Okay, I'm gonna, add that, and that is a note in the issue. Okay,.

C

Thank you, okay, cool.

A

The next one is to review the issues, but, to be honest, we just talked about the geographic coverage, which was one of the issues and organizational affiliation. We haven't really made any progress on so we're gonna cycle back on that one in the next meeting.

E

We are pushing towards activating.

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To enforce this, our.

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And I've been piloting this in the governance repository.

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Hopefully, you sign up I think you've all been on the conversation, so I can just cut it short. The thing is: when should we move ahead for the DNI.

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Sorry, common metrics working.

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This is there's an issue on the.

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Yeah I mean I. Think, like you said, I think we need to just do something similar to what you've done on.

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I've added the label common metrics just so we can find it easier.

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Yeah, we'll just need to add it to the contributor Docs I think I.

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I'll, try to provide some feedback on the the language that you used for the for the governance, because I think there's a pretty standard language that people use for describing how to do the developer certificate of origin, origin and the language that we have feels a bit different to me for some reason, and so I need to I need to dig into that a little bit. Did you use an example from another repository, or did you write that from scratch? Garak what you put in the contributing for the governance.

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From this information somewhere online, okay.

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Okay, I will yeah I'll try to provide some some feedback on that, but yeah, let's, let's try it for another another week or so on the governance and then figure out how to implement it on the rest of the repositories. That seems reasonable to me.

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If I don't get a chance, I would say so the two projects that I've seen that I think do a really nice job of describing how to do. This are the Concours project, which is a pivotal project. I worked with them a little bit on implementing the DCO and chef, so those two did a pretty good job and they're contributing Docs of describing how to how to do it. So maybe maybe have a look at those two.

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They're two examples that I liked anyways.

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So releasing metrics.

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Sorry, Garak I think you're frozen up.

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It seems garrix gone, you might what try turning your video off just asking, what the examples.

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Okay, here's awesome what my first example was and I typed it in there, so they don't make it easy. Fine, okay, perfect, so releasing metrics. So we decided at the governing board meeting that this is a good idea that we're gonna release the metrics.

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Now we can stop by cutting over how we're gonna do that, which is pretty cool I, don't I, don't think we decided on a time for that, though, timing for releasing the metrics.

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First thing: next cast off July.

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Maybe you can try turning your video off and see if that helps with the bandwidth, georg, because you're you're really breaking up what I thought I heard you say was that you were gonna push for the next chaos Khan for the first release of the metrics. Is that what she said? Yes,.

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That is going to be my proposal. Okay,.

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Cool, that's as reasonable to me in the in community handbook.

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That's me so, basically, what I did over the weekend was look over the club example that they had, and while it was described to me as 2,000 pages, that was only slight hyperbole, but only slight. So it's a lot.

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So what I wanted to do was start creating, there's a repo for this already somewhere or there's a place to put it and then just basically start listing the pieces and parts as issues and then start nailing them once at a time, and then I figure, a modular approach to this instead of a single monolithic document, would probably be best for everybody's sake, both in terms of collab collaboration and also in terms of presentation.

B

That seemed to be how get lab did it and I kind of liked that example? So that's basically, my first step is to list down all the pieces of parts and then start filling them in.

E

So I don't know if you saw this I created a pull request yesterday to create how to use the handbook I'm gonna look for the request.

E

The idea was that once we agree on the structure, then we can create the issues you're talking about and start filling in, the difference.

B

Okay, yeah I. Let me take a look at that issue because I'm not a hundred percent sure I understand what that is: I posted, okay, I.

B

Don't I mean how do use is basically just read it I'm, not sure, I understand what you're doing.

E

But my concern is: how do we structure the different pages get? My life is using a structure where at the highest hierarchy they have the functions within the business and then within that they have each process documented, and my question right now is: do the that many functions or do we just start with the processes later I was.

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Thinking we start with the processes that we know we have and then obviously, since it's collaborative effort I'll be throwing that out to the group because I'm sure I'll miss something and they're also, you know probably be processes that were so one-off. An ad hoc will never do them again for lack of a better description.

B

There's always something like that. Oh we did it this way, but we only did it once because we were in a hurry or something like that. So but yeah, that's that's the kind of thing that I want to start posting and identifying so I think we're on the same page.

E

Yes, I think we are the relevance for the common metrics working group is witness handbook what be great if we could start documenting how we as them common metrics working group, is operating so that we have a document test process.

B

So you're saying, let me make sure I repeat this right, you're saying start with our work group first and then we can use that as a template for the other work groups.

E

No, we should make sure common metrics. We can start anywhere.

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So that's my plan done. Okay, do it anything else.

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In the community a buck.

A

Any other agenda items before we move to the last one, which is facilitator and note-taker for April 4th anything else. Anyone wants to talk about.

A

Okay, I'm gonna be at a conference the week of April 4th, which is our next meeting. So do I have someone who can volunteer to facilitate the April 4th meeting and someone else. You can agree to be the note-taker I.

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I was imagine, there's a sword and shield involved with that process. When you say that's what I asked my daughter when she did hers, I was like no.

A

Dad no, there should have been I. Think that's interesting. Yeah.

B

You're coming after this thesis, I, don't think so she sort I can help, facilitate and or take notes. I can be note-taking or whatever.

A

Okay, just wanting you'd probably prefer ensign facilitator. Okay looks like Daniels gonna facilitate and Brian's gonna note take, because that's what's in the notes, perfect, okay, so and Daniel. Just as a reminder, part of the facilitator role is to send out the reminder for the meeting which think about on I guess: Monday send.

C

Reminder of the meeting I'm, not the same this thirty minutes before the meeting I.

A

Likely have a talk, ask a my task list to do this every other week. So if I don't see, one go out, I'll try to do it, but I'll be at a conference. So everything's just be. Chaos.

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Also just keep in mind that for those of us in Europe, let's see I think we have daylight savings time on the 31st, so the common metrics working group will again be a different time than today. Oh, it's.

C

Just in the next weekend, okay yeah.

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Yeah because the u.s. already did daylight savings time, so this is like the three weeks of chaos where no one knows when any meetings are the number of times this week that I've heard oh I thought that meeting was you know in an hour, so fun stuff, so just make sure that you get there the right times and the in the email, because it'll be different than what I set out this week, but it'll be back to the original times that are on the participate, page cool, all right. Anything else. Are we done?

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Okay, thanks. Everybody.

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