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From YouTube: CHAOSS Common Working Group August 18, 2022
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A
So
hi
everybody,
it's
a
light
group.
Today
we
have
a
lot
of
people
doing
doing
different
things
here,
august
18th.
So
this
is
the
chaos
common
working
group
meeting.
I
will
share
my
screen,
so
basically
we
have.
B
C
Yeah,
so
we've
gone
through
we're
ready
to
move
forward
on
it.
The
there's
two
things
that
I
need
to
do:
okay,
we
need
to
so
we
had.
We
had
discussed
in
the
last
meeting
what
we
wanted
to
do
with
the
contributors
at
the
bottom
of
the
page.
A
C
C
Yes,
so
this
one
was
one
that
basically
all
of
these
contributors
that
are
here
are
basically
here
due
to
the
revision
right,
so
there.
B
C
B
C
Contributors
on
this
prior,
so
we
need
to
go
back
and
kind
of
look
at
the
history
of
this
metric
and
figure
out.
If
there
are
more
people
that
we
need
to
add
to
it,
and
then
we
also
want
to
send
out
a
message
on
slack
that
says
something
to
the
effect
of
hey
you're
either
on
this
or
you
does
do
you
want
to
be
on
this
right?
C
So
if
you're
listed,
if
you're
listed
as
a
contributor
on
this,
do
you
want
us
to
take
you
off
and
if
you're
not
listed
as
a
contributor
on
this,
do
you
want
to
be
added
to
it
and
then,
after
that's
done,
I
think
we're
ready
for
the
pr
but
types
I
think
we
edited
it
fairly
substantially,
but
not
enough
to
not
enough
to
require
a
a
review:
okay,
okay
and
then
for
the
one
that
dawn
was
working
on.
That's.
C
Thing
so
she
needs
to.
There
are
a
few
little
things
to
do:
yeah
yeah
there
was
a
yeah.
I
think
she
had
reached
out
to
sean
for
that
deal.
Okay
and
then,
additionally,
she
needed
to
do
the
the
contributor
thing
that
I
was
talking
about
and
the
pull
request.
Okay,
but
in
general,
that
organizational
diversity
metric
we've
all
agreed.
It's
ready
to
go
it's
just
just
that
last
bit
of
work
and
then
do
the
pr.
C
A
Okay,
I
had
done
one,
I
don't
know
if
you
had
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
occasional
contributors.
This
is
one
that
I
had
done.
C
In
the
last
meeting,
I
think
we
we
skipped
it
because
you
weren't
here.
A
Okay,
honestly,
it
was
just
mostly
grammar
again
to
be
honest
with
you,
so
there
was
nothing
changed
at.
C
C
Okay,
so
for
the
objectives,
is
there
an
explicit
dei
objective.
A
There
wasn't
one
that
was
specified
so
and
I
did
not
add
one.
We
can.
A
So
for
me,
perhaps
thinking
about
occasional
contributors.
A
C
C
A
C
Contributes
this,
the
the
ratio
of
sustained
contributors
to
occasional
contributors
and
the
kind
of
the
the
demographic
makeup
of
those
two
groups
may
indicate
that
there
is
a
kind
of
a
an
imbalance
of.
B
C
Right
great
like
if
the
if
the
sustained
contributors
were
not
very
diverse
but
the,
but
the
the
occasional
contributors
are
more
diverse.
C
That
would
be
that
could
be
telling
if,
if
there
is
a
lack
of
diversity
in
both
sustained
and
occasional,
that's
also
very
telling.
C
C
Yeah,
if
there's
an
imbalance
in
diversity
and
then
and
then
I
think
that
the
second
pulling
point
is
how
how
welcoming
a
community
is
to
diverse
contributions,
right
or
diverse
contributors.
B
A
A
All
right,
honestly,
I
didn't
mean
I
double
checked
the
references.
I
double
checked
the
progress
you
know
these,
so
I
think
we're
good
here
as
well.
I
didn't
do
this
based
on
the
conversation
that
you
had
prior.
C
So
this
is
a
new
one,
though
so
this
one
already
had
the
contributors
listed.
Okay,
the
difference
between
the
the
one
dawn
had
and
the
one
I
had
those
were
created
before
we
had
contributor
as
a
headline,
so
we
weren't
collecting
that
information.
When
I
guess
that
was
created,
I
got.
B
On
that
note,
we
had
this
discussion
that
we
want
to
keep
these
google
docs
in
the
excel
sheet
for
the
metrics,
so
that
we
get
to
know
the
history
and
for
a
future
revision.
We
don't
need
to
recreate
these
google
docs
and
we
can
reuse
them
again
for
revision.
C
To
me,
so
that
would
mean
that,
on
the
on
this
metric
spreadsheet,
we
need
to
keep.
We
need
to.
A
All
right,
okay,
and
so
this
would
be
august,
2022,
okay
and
then
organizational
diversity
also
august
2022
kevin.
That's
yours!.
B
We
look
at
as
a
group
we
looked
at
this
last
week.
Okay,.
A
B
A
Okay:
okay,
great.
B
A
B
Yep,
so
there's
not
much
change
in
it.
I
have
there
was
a
link
which
was
not
proper,
like
the
link
was
there,
but
it
was
not
proper.
So
I
changed
the
link
and
then
I
added
the
review.
These
are
the
two
things
that
was
revised
on
this,
because
this
is
pretty
decent.
Like
last,
it
was
in
the
last
release.
B
A
B
C
And
then
it's
the
the
question
that
I
always
have
is
for
the
objective.
Once
again,
is
there
a
is
there
a
de
I
objective
that
we
can
add.
B
So
this
was
similar
to
the
clones
and
we
had
the
same
response.
We
can't
we
don't
think
of
any
such
dim.
B
B
A
A
A
C
A
Point
we
need
to
do
that.
What
do
y'all
think
should
we
try
to
make
another
pass
at
reviewing?
Some
of
these
dei
is
gonna,
have
all
of
them
reviewed,
so
they're
going
to
be
done.
C
In
regards
to
the
translation
there
is,
there
is
the
possibility
that
we
can
retire,
that
that
working
group
would
be
great,
so
we've
talked
we've.
Well,
I
guess
we
haven't
really
talked
about
it,
but
there
are
some.
There
are
some
tools
out
there
that
are
actually
pretty
decent
for
kind
of
automatically
translating
the
website
right
and
if
we,
if
we're
automatically
translating
the
website,
there's
it's
pretty
easy
for
us
to
just
automatically
translate
those
the
web
pages
in
really.
A
C
With
if
we,
if
we
want
to
pay
for
a
or
a
plug-in
a
translation,
plug-in
a
high-end
one,
a
high-end
one,
then
we
can,
we
can
actually
go
in
and
we
can.
We
can
adjust
some
of
those
words
how
much
it's
it's
wordpress.
So
it's
like
a
hundred
dollars.
A
C
C
B
A
Still
works
for
the
social
effort
that
we're
trying
to
do
with
translations.
Then.
C
A
Okay,
so
why
don't
we
I
mean,
that's
an
easy,
yes
for
me
and
honestly
kevin
like
why
don't
you
we
can
work,
but
it's
just
going
to
be
the
same
thing
like
we
can
just
order
it
off
the
ground
to
get
that
done.
B
C
C
A
C
So
I
will
say
this
one,
the
one
that
we
used,
the
one
that
we
that
we've
been
test
driving
right
now
is
completely
free
and
and
even
that
one
they
said
it's
actually
pretty
good.
So
so,
if
we,
if
we
improve
the
functionality
of
it,
it's
it's
looking
like
the
technology.
Is
there
now,
where
okay,
where
it's
pretty
good
all.
C
And
then,
from
a
from
a
release
standpoint,
I
don't
know
that
we've,
we
haven't,
really
talked
a
ton
about
this
either,
but
I
think
there's
some
some
desire
on
your
fart
part
to
to
kind
of
eliminate
the
that
mars
kind
of
pdf
release
process
with
the
knowledge
base.
I
don't
think
we
need
it
with
the
knowledge
base,
so
the
the
functionality
on
the
knowledge
base
does.
The
one
thing
I
would
like
on
the
knowledge
base
is
that
we
can
actually
do.
C
I
want
to
have
a
the
ability
to
do
a
like
a
pdf
download
of
individual
metrics
pages
from
the
website,
so
if
they,
if
they
land
on
a
metric
page,
if
we
have
like
a
pdf
download
button
for
that
metric,
if
they
just
want
to
grab
it
yep,
I
do
want
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Yeah.
A
C
So
we
we
can
create
some
different.
We
can
create
some
different
views.
Okay,
so
I
think
the
yeah,
if
you
want
to,
if
we
want
to
do
a
we
want
to
create
a
page-
that's
all
metrics
yeah.
I
think
that
would
be
that's
a
good
idea
and
I'm
not
sure
what
that
would
look
like.
Yet
I
kind
of
wanted
to.
I
wanted
to
wait
and
see
how
the
knowledge
base
came
together.
C
First,
okay,
there's
all
sorts
of
there's
some
dynamic,
there's
some
dynamic
components
to
the
knowledge
base,
where
it'll
it'll
actually
populate
some
of
the
pages
on
its
own,
based
on
the
the
context
areas
and
the
keyword
tags.
Okay.
C
So
I
kind
of
want
to
see
what
that
would
look
like
a
little
bit
to
see
if
we,
if
we
want
to
include
that
that
that
dynamic,
that
dynamic
ability
we
don't
have
to
okay.
But
if
we
want
to
include
that
dynamic
ability-
and
if
we
do
do
you
do
that-
use
that
that
that
dynamic
ability
to
to
organize
metrics
and
populate
these
pages.
A
A
C
Right,
we
could
even
create
a
link
that
would
dynamically
create
that
page.
Whatever
the
search
terms.
C
Even
with
even
with
mars,
it's
too
high,
I
agree
just.
C
It's
probably
not
all
that
useful
as
a
whole
document.
Yeah
I
mean
individual
metrics
are
probably
more
useful
than
the
whole
document.
C
I
do
like
the
I
like
the
idea
that
it
creates
kind
of
that
static
snapshot
of
all
the
metrics,
because
I
I
kind
of
I
look
at
that
metrics
document
as
kind
of
a
standard
right,
so
we're
releasing
every
metrics
release,
we're
basically
kind
of
releasing
a
standard
yeah.
But
but
I
don't,
I
don't
think
it's
helpful
in
its
current
form,
so
yeah
yeah
anyway.
A
C
Yeah,
maybe
maybe
we
maybe
we
supercharge
the
release,
notes
page
right
where
the,
where
the
release
notes
page
includes
all
of
the
all
of
the
changes
to
the
metrics
and
also
a
list
of
the
metrics
that
have
been
included
with
links
to
the
documents
yeah
there,
and
maybe
so
maybe
that
page
replaces
the.
Maybe
that's
the
page
that
you
were
talking
about
earlier,
that
it
has
all
of
the
metrics.
C
But
yeah
all
of
the
metrics
that
that
exist
completely
with
a
link
to
those
metrics
yep.
A
B
C
A
Okay,
well,
cool!
So
then
back
to
the
question
that
spurred
this,
do
we
want
to
like
call
it
good
on
review,
or
should
we
do
we
all
want
to
take
like
one
more?
You
know
for
two
weeks.
It
doesn't
take
very
long
if
you
haven't
noticed
to
just
read
a
metric
and.
C
The
sooner
we're
done
with
the
review,
the
sooner
we
can,
I
agree,
jump
back
into
the
the
business
of
defining
metrics
and
okay.
So,
let's
because
we're
kind
of
we're
still
on
hold
for
defining
metrics
right
right.
A
C
C
C
B
A
And
these
two
okay,
okay,
sounds
good
all
right
and
then
the
last
thing
honestly
on
the
agenda
today,
because
we
got
through
new
work
on
revised
metrics
is
the
tagging
stuff
kevin.
A
A
C
And
I
think
in
all
of
those
that
you
had
mentioned,
I
think
the
answer
was
yes,
it
could
be.
It
could
be
both
okay
for
for
that
one
I
was
really.
It
was
really
iffy.
I
I
gave
that
a
little
bit
of
thought.
This
is
the
bot
one
right,
so
are
our
bots
actually
contributors
all
right?
C
A
C
Way
that
I
would-
and
I
would
the
I
would
maybe
even
move
the
change-
the
order,
because
project
is
probably
better
well,
it
shouldn't
matter.
C
So
one
of
them
is
so
when
we
go
in
and
do
the
topic
areas,
I'm
not
I'm
not
completely
sure
how
many
topic
areas
it's
going
to
allow
us
to
do.
I
mean
I
need
to
take
a
peek
at
that.
Okay,
so,
however,
that
that
second
co,
that
second
context
tag
can
be,
can
be
pulled
down
to
a
keyword
tag.
So
the
tagging
would
still
exist.
It's
just,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
we
can
have
two
two
two
context,
slash
topic
areas.
I
I
think
we
can.
C
I
just
need
to.
I
need
to
confirm
that
with
yash,
okay
and
then
yeah,
there
was
another
one.
C
C
Yeah
and
basically
the
I
think,
it's
stronger
as
a
project,
but
I
agree
that
it
could
also
be
contribution.
Okay,
so
and
the
I
think
the
my
feeling
on
that
is
that,
like
taking
part
in
a
discussion,
is
a
contribution
or
making
comments
in
an
issue.
It
is
a
contribution
for
you
that
was,
but,
but
primarily
the
issues
are
also
kind
of
the
way
that
things
are
coordinated
and
disgusting
and
and
that's
kind
of
that's
an
issue.
That's
kind
of
project,
which
is
the
coordination
collaboration
and.
A
B
C
So
I
would
say
I
suppose
it
could
it's
kind
of
a
it's
a
little
bit
that
idea
that
you
know
ev.
Everything
could
actually
be
a
contribution
right
well
for
sure
at
a
high
level,
like
everything
we're
talking
about,
is
a
contribution.
B
C
B
A
C
From
a
collaborative
places
where
community
does
work,
we
can
get
from
github
down
to
the
the
change
requests
process
within
within
a
github
repo
right.
So
within
the
change
request
there
are
you
have
the
ability
to
comment
you
have
the
ability
to
put
in
commit.
You
have
the
ability
to
do
reviews
so
that
really
it
is
a
place
right,
it's
a
place
within
a
place,
so
it
it
definitely
fits
and
then
a
contribution
definitely
fits
as
well
yeah.
C
So
that
does
bring
up
the
the
question
of
them
anytime.
We
do
a
change
request,
so
any
of
the
change
request.
Metrics.
Are
they
always
contribution
comma
project.
B
C
B
C
A
Who
does
yeah
does
how
about
this
like
performs.
C
Performs
work,
yeah,
aka
process
and.
C
And
then
maybe
the
the
comment
that
I
had
made
was
about
is
that
collaboration.
A
A
A
C
C
B
So
one
thing
that
is
coming
to
my
mind
is:
are
we
looking
at
the
nouns
and
verbs
like
all
of
these?
Most
of
these
are
nouns
like
something,
but
we
have
some
actions
to
that
or
in
the
matrix.
So
can
we
think
of
like
having
tags
in
terms
of
actions?
B
So
process
is
an
action
rather
than
a
entity
or
now.
C
B
C
It
has
to
be
project
and
contribution
together
to
fully
describe
it
right.
So
we
can.
We
can
the
context
area
project
partially
describes
this
metric
and
then
the
other
context
area
describes
kind
of
the
other
part.
So
maybe
it
does
have
to
be
two
there
and
that's
how
we
because
we
don't
want
these
contexts
here.
C
These
context
areas
can't
describe
everything
right
because
if
they,
the
the
more
detailed
these
context,
areas
are
the
more
I
or
I
shouldn't
say,
more
detail,
but
the
if
we
try
to
make
project
be
about
the
process
as
well,
then
we'd
get
confusion
about
then
what's
governance.
So
when
I
was.
C
C
So
so
from
common
place
was
a
thing.
The
issue
that
I
would
have
with,
that
is
that
event
and
ecosystem
are
a
place
as
well,
and
those
three
event.
Project
and
ecosystem
were
created
as.
C
B
So
we
don't
need
eeg
platforms
within
that
because
it's
already.
A
C
And
maybe
we
do
like
having
gone
through
it.
I
I
think,
you're.
I
think
you're
right
that
we
need
to.
We
should
go
through
and
and
make
sure
that
the
ones
that
need
to
I'll
have
two
okay,
because.
C
This
conversation,
I'm
thinking
that
some
of
these
are
some
of
them,
that
I
just
tagged
as
one.
A
B
A
A
A
C
A
C
A
But
that
sounds
good
and
then
what
do
you
think
the
process?
So
once
we
basically
whatever
let's
say
like
in
two
weeks,
we're
like
all
right
all
good,
we
have
all
the
context
tags
assigned
we're
pretty
happy
with
how
they
are
ultimately
obvious.
We
need
to
get
them
here.
You
know
within
each
one
of
the
metrics.
So
would
that.
B
A
C
I
would
like
to
when
we
do
these
pr's.
I
would
like
to
add
the
keywords
and
at
the
same
time,
well
that
was
I.
C
C
Re
for
the
review,
yeah
yeah,
yeah
yeah-
I
was
thinking.
I
was
thinking
that
this
would
be
separate
from
the
review.
Okay,
and
I
was
thinking
that
we
could
do
the
prs
and
add
the
context,
tags
and
the
keywords
in
at
the
same
time.
Okay,
and
that
way,
we
could
this.
That
would
be
the
that
would
be
the
point
where
we
can
get
either
where
we
can
get
feedback
from
the
working
group
right.
So
these
are
the
context
areas
that
we've
come
up
with.
C
B
A
B
I
was
proposing
we
can
hold
the
creating
pr
for
these
tags
if
these
are
being
finalized
in
a
month
time.
We
still
have
a
time
to
create
pr
for
the
review,
so
we'll
reduce
the
workload
because
otherwise
we
have
to
create
another
pr
for
each
metric
separately
to
add
the
tags
and
contacts
and
both
of
these
yes,
so
maybe
a
month
time.
If
this
things
gets
finalized,
then
we
can
incorporate
and
create
a
pr
all
for
all
of
these.
B
C
B
Was
saying
that's
what
I
was
saying
like
if
you
are
creating
a
pr
for
review
and
if
the
tags
and
contacts
are
ready,
we
can
incorporate
within
a
pr
and
it
will
reduce
the
words.
Yes.
A
B
A
C
B
C
The
so
the
issue,
the
issue
I
have
with
that
is,
I
don't
want
the
I
don't
want
this
work
to
be
tied
to
reviews,
because
we're
not
going
to
be
we're
not
we're,
probably
not
going
to
be
able
to
go
through
and
finish
all
of
the
metrics
reviews
for
all
of
the
working
groups
with
it.
So
so,
at
that
point
we
would
have
to
decide
plus
we
have.
We
have
some
reviews
that
have
already
been
done.
I
think
it's
just
it's
just
a
separate
thing.
C
Just
keep
the
keep
the
context,
areas
and
the
keywords
separate
from
the
reviews,
because
otherwise
we're
there's
inconsistency,
because
some
reviews
have
already
been
done,
we're
waiting
on
others,
it
forces
the
it
would
force
us
to
wait
on
the
work
that
that
elizabeth
has
done
in
dei.
I
would
say,
just
do
the
reviews.
Reviews
are
separate
from
this
with
separate
pull
requests,
so
maybe.
A
C
C
Or
even
possibly
even
earlier,
but
I
think
I
think
google's
summer
of
code
runs
until
october
or
november.