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From YouTube: CHAOSS Common Metrics Working Group Call 2-18-21
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A
I
do
see
some
new
faces
here,
so
I'm
I'm
not
one
to
like
make
people
do
introductions,
but
maybe
let's,
let's
maybe
just
do
a
quick
round
of
introductions
and
if
you
don't
want
to
introduce
yourself
you
don't
you
don't
have
to
I'll
start.
So
I'm
don
foster,
I'm
director
of
open
source
community
strategy
at
vmware,
I'm
on
the
chaos
board.
I've
been
doing
this
open
source
thing
for
a
long
time.
I
really
like
metrics.
B
Sean
goggins-
I
am
one
of
the
people-
who's
been
involved
in
chaos
for
a
long
time.
I'm
a
professor
of
computer
science
at
the
university
of
missouri.
C
D
Hi,
I'm
elizabeth,
I'm
the
community
manager
for
chaos.
My
other
job
that
I
do
is
nature
photographer,
which
I
haven't
been
able
to
do
for
a
while,
because
it's
too
cold,
I'm
not
that
dedicated.
So
I
don't
go
out
now,
but
when.
D
The
door
take
some
pictures,
shut
the
door
so
I'll
never
win
any
awards,
because
I'm
not
that
person.
That's
you
know
5
a.m
in
alaska,
getting
the
beautiful
sunrise.
That's
not
me!
So
anyway,
I'm
the
community
manager
happy
to
help
anyone.
That's
new
to
the
group
find
their
way
around
and
navigate
everything.
So
just
you
can
email
me
at
any
time.
Elizabeth
chaos.community
so
don't
hesitate.
F
A
I
think
we
lost
a
little
bit
of
your
audio
there,
but
I
think
we
caught
caught
a
chunk
of
it,
so
so
welcome.
E
Hi
everyone
I'm
stephen
from
nigeria,
I'm
a
computer
science
undergrad
I
studied
here
also
and
then
I
work
part
time
as
a
machining
engineer
and
yeah.
Recently,
I've
been
there
even
into
open
source-
and
this
is
my
first
meeting
here
at
cause.
E
C
G
A
Struggling
to
find
the
right,
I
must
have
this
open
in
like
several
different
browsers.
At
the
same
time,
oh
there
we
go.
I
did
share
the
right
one
okay,
so
this
is
our
agenda
for
today
we're
gonna
start
with
reviewing
some
of
the
action
items
from
previous
meetings,
we'll
look
at
some
open
issues
and
pr's
we'll
review
some
comments
from
the
metrics
review
period,
which
I
guess
will
do
as
part
of
probably
the
open
issues
review.
A
A
So
daniel
was
going
to
work
on
the
time
waiting
for
submitter
action
and
I
don't
see
daniel
on
the
call
so
we'll
we'll
come
back
to
that
one
space
event,
location
matt
was
going
to
template
it
out
which
looks
like
what
that
link
is
space
collaboration
platforms.
I
think
kevin
was
going
to
take
a
look
at
that
one.
So
we
can
talk
about
that
when
we
get
to
that
metric.
Unless
did
you
get
a
chance
to
work
on
that?
One
kevin,
since
you
are.
H
A
little
bit
so
it
it
exists,
and
there
is
a
description
sort
of
perfect,
but
not
much
more
than
that.
Okay,.
A
Well,
we'll
get
to
it
later
in
the
later
in
the
agenda,
and
I
I
will
say
for
those
of
you
that
are
new
here:
we
do.
We
spend
some
of
the
time
in
this
meeting,
actually
going
through
the
metrics
and
providing
comments
on
the
docs
and
providing
feedback
if
we
don't
get
to
all
of
them.
You
are
certainly
more
than
welcome
to
take
a
look
at
some
of
these
metrics
and,
if
they're
interesting
to
you,
provide
feedback
on
the
google
doc
after
the
meeting
as
well.
A
So
this
is
this
is
a
good
meeting
to
start
with,
because
we
have
lots
of
metrics
that
are
work
in
progress
that
are
looking
for
people
to
help
us
out
with
so
well
done
on
the
timing
there.
A
A
C
A
Yeah,
I
don't
see
any
issues
with
that,
so
let's
just
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
ahead
and
merge
that
one.
A
So
there
are
issues
from
with
formatting.
So
I'm
just
gonna
leave,
leave
a
comment
for.
A
Okay,
so
that's
one
of
them
view
cycle
duration.
Let's
see
if
we've
got
any
comments
here,
nope.
A
Fork
so
it
looks
like.
A
I'd
have
to
go
back
to
the
back
to
the
metric.
It
looks
like
there
ray
ray,
had
a
question
that
there
might
be
a
concern
that
this
is
that
the
I'm
assuming
the
language
viewed
is
to
github
or
get
lab
centric,
and
it
may
not.
Trans
translate
well
to
projects
that
aren't
using
one
of
those
two
services.
A
Are
I
do
I.
A
Yeah
well,
some
of
the
apache
projects
use
github
postgres.
For
example,
doesn't
it's
just
a
git
repository.
H
Is
there
is
there
sorry
to
interrupt?
Is
there
language
in
this
metric
that
would
so
ray
says
that
the
that
it's
meant
to
track
how
how
many
people
fork
clone
the
projects
and
contribute?
H
C
We
have
struggled
with
the
language
on
this
one
for
the
exact
reason,
as
ray
was
pointing
out
that
forks
means
two
different
things
and
we
settled
on
technical
forks
to
try
to
mitigate
that
issue.
And
yes,
we
know
that
there's
other
types
of
works,
but
we've
talked
about
this
at
length
and
we
haven't
come
up
with
anything
better.
A
Does
does
anybody
want
to
volunteer
to
propose
some
changes
in
a
pull
request
to
the
metric?
I
will
still
need
to
mention
forex,
because
that's,
I
think,
people
people
need
that
context.
That
they're,
you
know
one
type
of,
but
I
think
if
we,
if
we
use
cloning,
that
might
be,
that
might
be
better.
C
A
Yes,
okay,
so
what
I'm
going
to
suggest
is
that
gear?
Do
you
want
to
comment
on
this
issue
when
you
get
a
chance
and
talk
about
some
of
your
your
concerns
with
the.
E
A
We
have
a
new
metric
for
event
locations.
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
ones
on
the
it's
one
of
the
ones
on
the
agenda
later.
So
we
can
talk
about
that.
Standardizing
the
working
groups,
repository
structure-
is
that
related
to
the
agenda
item
that
you
added
georg
about
archiving
minutes.
D
Different
it's
different.
This
is,
but
this
is
being
handled
by
a
volunteer
that
stepped
up
to
do
this
across
all
of
the
working
groups.
So
I
don't
think
there's
any
action
for
us
right
now,
except
to
maybe
look
at
that
document,
so
we're
familiar
with
how
the
the
proposed
structure
is
going
to
be,
but
so
far
I
think
most
of
the
working
groups
have
been
okay
with
the
changes
they
make
sense.
But
we
can
talk
about
that
if
we
want.
A
C
A
So
we
talked
about
the
metrics
release
candidates
and
then
these
were
all
ones
that
we
have
kind
of
work
in
progress.
So
I
don't
unless
there's
something
that
anybody
wants
to
talk
about
here.
I
think
we're,
I
think,
we're
pretty
good
on
the
issues.
A
Okay,
archiving
minutes.
C
We
now
have
a
gmail
account
for
chaos,
it's
chaosproject
gmail.com
and
we
want
to
use
the
google
drive
there
as
the
central
place
for
all
kinds
of
google
docs
and
we're
starting
with
minutes
so
don.
You
are
the
owner
of
this
document.
If
you
want
to
make
that
chaos
community
the
owner,
that
would
be
amazing.
A
Just
no
wait,
you
know
what
wait
a
minute.
I
know.
I
know
why
I'm
logged
in,
on
my
other
account
so.
C
A
C
I'd
do
the
same
thing
yeah,
so
so
that
is
part
one
ownership
of
our
minutes
that
we
have
them
in
a
central
chaos
shared
location.
So
it's
not
dependent
on
individual
members
who
might
go
away
in
the
future.
C
The
other
part
of
the
archiving
minutes
is
keeping
the
minute
documents
short
so
that
they
load
faster
and
taking
previous
years
to
and
archiving
them,
and
we
have
done
this
for
the
community
call
where
we
just
create
an
archive,
google,
doc
and
then
truncate
this,
the
one
that
we
are
working
in.
C
I
just
want
to
bring
that
up.
Ask
if
there
are
any
concerns
with
doing
that.
Otherwise,
I'm
happy
to
just
do
it,
of
course,
at
the
bottom
we
would
link
to
where
the
minutes
from
the
previous
year
are,
and
the
workflow
we've
been
discussing
is
to
do
this
about
once
per
year
around
the
release,
so
that,
as
we
finish
one
release,
then
we
archive
everything
from
the
previous
year,
and
we
already
have
two
or
three
months
in
the
current
year
that
we
can
still
scroll
back
to.
A
Yeah
that
makes
perfect
sense
to
me.
I
know
it's
something:
we've
experienced
a
lot
in
the
kubernetes
community
because
the
minutes
documents
got
so
long
that
nobody
could.
It
was
hard
to
open
them
anymore
and
it
created
all
kinds
of
problems,
so
yeah
makes
sense
anybody
any
questions
for
gay
org
about
the
archiving
of
the
minutes.
A
Oh
progress
on
the
current
metrics.
A
We
have
a
number
of
them
that
are
working
progress
and,
of
course,
we
have
a
number
that
are
released,
so
we
have
several
under
community
review
right
now.
A
A
A
And
for
those
of
you
who
are
new
to
this
call,
if
you
see
any
of
them
that
are,
if
you
see
any
that
are
considering
that
are
things
you
are
particularly
passionate
about
and
interested
in,
we
can.
We
can
help
you
get
get
started
if
you
want
to
kind
of
kick
off
the
development
of
any
of
these
any
of
these
metrics.
A
A
Yep
and
we
have
kind
of
a
standard
standard
template
for
them,
so
we
can
help
you
get
it
into
the
get
it
into
the
template.
Anything
sorry
anything
else
on
the
progress.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
a
couple
of
metrics
that
are
sort
of
work
in
progress.
A
I'm
waiting
for
submitter
action
is
where
do
we
have
the
that's
one
that
daniel's
working
on
so
since
he's
not
here,
we'll,
probably
skip
that
one
face
event:
location
that
was
matt
german
pray
right
working
on
that
one.
B
He's
got
a
lot
of
obligations
at
his
rank,
so.
H
Yes
yeah,
I
I
created
that
one,
so
there's
not
a
whole
lot
there
other
than
the
description
and
there's
a
link
to
a
visualization
to
add.
We
could
work
on
this
one
here
right
now.
If
we
wanted
actually.
A
Yeah,
since
the
other,
the
other
ones,
are
the
people
who've
been
working
on
it.
Aren't
here
it's
probably.
This
is
probably
the
the
logical,
logical
one,
maybe
kevin.
You
want
to
give
us
just
kind
of
a
brief
overview
of
what
you're,
what
you're
thinking
around
this
metric
was
and
do
you
want
to
kind
of
drive
the
gathering
feedback
kind
of.
H
Oh
so
this
this
metric-
if
I
remember
correctly,
came
from
a
came
from
one
of
the
university
collaborations,
I
don't
know
if
it
was
a
a
class
project,
but,
interestingly,
I
think
I
don't
think
the
I
think
this
entire
focus
area
of
space
came
from
that
came
from
that
project.
I
don't
think
we
had
thought
of
it
prior.
H
So
for
this
one
we're
talking
about
collaboration
platforms
and
the
the
question
for
this
is:
where
does
where
does
project
activity
occur?
H
And
we
are
talking
about
digital
platforms
here,
so
the
description
is
I'll.
Just
read
the
description,
so
open
source
projects
use
many
different
communication
collaboration
platforms.
These
platforms
may
include
email,
social
media
chat,
applications
and
code
management
technologies
such
as
github
or
gitlab,
so
measuring
measuring
where
and
how
much
activity
is
occurring
on
these
collaboration
platforms
may
inform
project
transparency
and
openness
right.
So
some
of
these
some
of
these
platforms
are
closed.
H
Some
of
them
are
open
right,
so
a
but
if
a
project
has
communication
on
in
a
code
management
platform
like
github,
that's
gonna
be
fairly
transparent
or
if
it's
an
email
list,
that's
open
to
everyone,
that's
fairly
transparent.
However,
there
also
may
be
email
lists
that
are
closed.
H
H
H
And
then
the
so
daniel
actually
shared
a
a
cabana
dashboard
with
us,
there's
visualization
there
that
we
can
pull
out.
This
is
one
of
the
ways
that
batergia
has
actually
explored
collaboration
platform.
D
I
just
want
to
put
in
a
point
of
reference,
and
that
is
that
we
have
a
not
it's
not
a
an
exactly
the
same
metric,
but
it
is
related
on
chat
platform
inclusivity.
Some
of
the
filters
and
things
kind
of
relate
to.
I
think
what
you're
talking
about
here
kevin,
so
I'm
just
not
sure
how
how
the
two
fit
together
I'll
drop
it
here.
We
did
it
in
the
diversity
and
inclusion
working
group,
but
just
for
reference.
There's
that
other
metric.
H
I
mean
so
to
be
clear
for
the
for
this
one.
We
are,
I
think,
we're
really
talking
about
counting
the
platforms
and
looking
at
the
activity
on
the
platforms,
and
that
has
implications
for
openness
and
transparency,
but
the
the
openness
and
transparency
is
not
something
we
necessarily
need
to
define.
D
And
also,
I
think
that
other
metric
is
is
specifically
for
chat
applications
only
and
more
of
the
the
synchronous
kind
of
conversations
that
happen.
So
it
you
know
again.
It's
certainly
not.
This
is
much
more
comprehensive
and
a
broader
scope,
and
I
think
it's
absolutely
valid.
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
reference
the
other
metric
somewhere
that
it's
kind
of
you
know
kind
of
touches
on
some
of
the
same
things
or
not.
It's
up
to
you
all.
H
I
think
we
would
probably
I
think
the
chat
platform
inclusivity
metric
would
probably
need
to
mention,
and
if
it's
it's
connected
to
the
collaboration
platforms
metric,
so
it
probably
needs
to
mention
the
collaboration
platforms
metric
and
then
in
in
collaboration
platforms.
We
could
probably
use
the
chat
platform
inclusivity
metric
as
an
example
of
how
inclusivity
could
be
an
example
of
the
implications
for.
H
Inclusivity
and
transparency
in
collaboration
platforms,
I
think
they're
they're
very
much
connected,
but
but
also.
A
Different,
oh,
let
me
I
added
it
in
the
references
just
right
now
we
can
decide
whether
or
not
it
makes
sense
to
leave
it.
There.
A
Yeah
agreed:
do
we
want
to
tweak
the
description,
make
that
more
more
clear
or
do
we
feel
like
that's
clear
enough.
A
G
A
So
my
people
typing-
this
is
great
blush-
is
hard,
not
sure.
Does
that
make
more
sense?
Nope
english
is
hard.
H
Yep
I
like
it,
I'm
just
gonna.
I'm
gonna
tweak
that
last
sentence
a
little
bit
do.
A
A
A
D
D
B
A
C
C
H
This
is
this
metric
could
inform
it,
could
inform
project
velocity,
it
could
inform
wow,
it
could
inform
burstiness.
I
suppose
I
can't.
B
C
George,
I
think
kevin
fitted
well
in
with
burstiness,
because
that
is
what
burstiness
is
about.
So
we
have
the
collaboration
platforms,
that's
about
collecting
the
data
and
then
birthing.
This
is
for
analyzing.
E
B
You
might
also
consider
just
the
general
that
this
advances
our
full
view
of
things.
We
need
to
understand
for
a
lot
of
chaos
metrics,
instead
of
trying
to
specify
all
of
the
ks
metrics,
that
it
advances
knowledge
for
or
provide
the
ones
that
we've
already
provided
as
examples,
so
that
it
can
ground
people's
understanding.
B
G
A
A
A
Well
I'll
leave
that
one,
because
it
has
some
comments
on
it,
looks
like
we're
still
still
working
on
that
one.
The
next
section
we
have.
We
have
the
implementation
section.
So
I'm
sorry
were
there
other
objectives
that
we
should
be
talking
about,
or
we
feel
like
we're
off
to
a
good
start
here.
A
Okay,
we
made
a
lot
of
progress
on
this
metric
in
a
short
amount
of
time.
This
is
great
implementation.
A
Got
the
visualization
which
we
can
turn
into
screenshot.
B
B
So
like
like
with
the
objectives,
we're
trying
to
describe,
of
course,
our
goals,
but
the
implementation
really
comes
down
to
what
collaboration
platforms
is
a
tool
going
to
be
able
to
get
you
information
from
and
so
and
so
enumerating
tools
like.
I
know,
petergia
gathers
a
lot
more
mailing
lists
and
like
conversational
data,
for
example,
than
auger
does
right
now
and
so
they're
getting
more
of
that
data
at
the
present
time
and
and
enumerating
the
data
from
the
platforms
that
a
tool
gets,
maybe
agnostically.
B
B
Yeah
did
you
follow
me
john,
looked
puzzled,
which.
A
A
Maybe
maybe
it's
fine
if
this
is
the
right
scope
for
for
a
metric
like
this,
because
you
know
you
could
there
are
multiple
ways
of
thinking
about
this
right,
so
we've
we've
kind
of
put
them
together
as
sort
of
an
umbrella
collaboration
platforms
and
looking
at
the
and
being
able
to
compare
them
across.
A
A
C
B
We
should
enumerate
platforms
that
we
know
that
we're
talking
about-
or
maybe
this
is
the
case
since
these
platforms
are
always
evolving
and
emerging
that
we
we
provide
a
separate
list
that
can
be
maintained
without
updating
the
metric
of
the
platforms,
so
the
metric
can
remain
stable
and
abstracted
about
just
messages
and
there's
some
other.
Like
list
that's
attached
to
the
metric,
where
we
can
continuously
update
what
those
platforms
are.
So
when
people
start
communicating
about
open
source
on
tick
tock,
we
can
add
that.
D
Hey
sean
does
this
relate
to
the
the
discrete
metrics
we
had
talked
about
for
the
social
listening
metric
system.
I
believe
that
there's
it
seems
like
there's
some
overlap
here.
There's.
B
Part
of
part
of
those
part
of
the
data
that
would
be
gathered
for
social
listening
is
in
here,
but
I
think
this
is
I.
This
is
a
really
in
a
but
whether
or
not
there's
10
systems
or
50
or
2.
The
abstraction
of
just
going
out
and
getting
messages
is
much
more
digestible
than
the
social
listening
metric.
The
socialistic
metric
was
much
more
expansive
than
this.
B
D
Yeah,
that's
what
I
was
just
going
to
say
like
this
is
way.
It
seems
way
more
like
understandable,
I
guess,
and
just
kind
of
a
a
little
bit
better
of
a
start
than
some
of
those
other
ones
that
we
had
talked
about
breaking
out
someday.
So
yeah,
that's
awesome,
yeah
and
I
think
too.
A
Like
pulling
pulling
them
all
together,
I
think
gives
us
something
more
like
this
lab
visualization,
where
we've
got
you've
got
the
comparison,
so
it's
not
you're,
not
just
counting
the
github
issues,
you're,
not
just
counting
the
mailing
list
posts
you're,
not
just
counting
you're,
counting
them
and
comparing
them
across,
which
I
think
is
the
benefit
of
this.
A
Well,
we
can
think
about
this.
We're
not
gonna.
We're
not
gonna
finish
this
metric
today
and
we
are
actually
coming
up
on
the
end
of
our
time
here.
So
I
would.
I
would
encourage
people
to
keep
working
in
this
document,
so
keep
keep
working
on
it.
I
think
kevin.
I
think
this
would
be
a
good
thing
to
put
on
the
agenda
for
for
the
next
meeting,
which
I'm
just
gonna,
make
sure
that
I'm
gonna
be
here
and
see.
If
I
need
a
no,
I
should
be
here
next
meeting.
A
Anything
anything
else
anyone
wants
to
say
before
we
I'm
gonna.
Let
us
go
back
to
the
back
of
the
agenda
anything
else
before
we
before
we
wrap
it
up.
It
was
a
great
session.
B
A
Like
we
got
a
lot
done
cool,
so
I
will
bump
I'll
leave
this
one
on
the
agenda
again
for
next
week,
I'll
bump
the
ones
that
matt
and
daniel
are
working
on.
So
we'll
have
a
pretty
similar
agenda
agenda
for
for
next
week.