CHAOSS DEI Working Group, 8 Apr 2019

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CHAOSS.D&I.April.8.2019

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To start the recording of our diversity, including working group meeting on April 8 2019, welcome everyone.

A

First, item of the agenda is to review action items I had the action item to put together descriptions for the open source summit. North America I did that last week and we submitted our target Musil. Thank you again, Sara for starting the conversation.

B

Sure happy happy always I.

A

See the second action item on the list was email to the mailing list about fixing to license and I have sent that out last week and he accepted the pull request. So our repository license is not in my teeth as it should have been when the beginning.

C

Are you do you need any more prior committers to approve or what was the deal with that.

A

Ideally, yes and you're, one of them I get.

C

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You did awesome so then we just have to I think outreach e students who I don't know how to get ahold of okay.

C

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We've been talking about it long enough that they could have voiced dissent if they were not in favor, so we're just going to assume lazy consensus if they do have an issue, they can voice it and we can remove their contributions. If it comes to that. Okay.

A

The next item is that we activate the DCO bot. So now, when any of us makes the contribution to the working group repository, we have to include developer certificate of origin sign up.

A

The next item is to create a pull request to add the mentorship metric to the repo I'd created the pull request this morning. So we do have the pull request. Then let me find this real, quick.

A

It's pulled request: 1, 7, 3,.

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And Sarah, thank you again for starting the conversation on the mentorship metric. Three weeks ago, mm-hmm we've been continuing the conversation and okay the metric last week, so we feel it's ready to merge, but we should still have one more round of review on it. Okay,.

D

C

On that, can you just add a github reference to me on the pull request so that I know what I added to the metrics repo.

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C

And I'll say it several times, but maybe just like this is a person I've ever said it but kind of moving forward. That would be helpful for me just to kind of identify new metrics that are showing up or worked out metrics that start showing up. You know what I mean within the working groups.

A

Yep makes sense to me.

C

A

As a workflow idea, exactly.

C

I mean I can do it manually or just be great if there was some some some indicator for me. That would help so.

A

This time, I added a comment on the request. Was that enough for you or do you want to actually have a design to you? I? Don't.

C

Want it assign just a comment, is fine.

A

We're going to write this into meeting minutes.

A

Okay, yeah, we do have this captured in the meeting minutes now. You know I'll make sure to put it on our handbook page when we get to it. The.

A

Next action item was to start out a male thread about releasing metrics. Not do this Sara. You had wanted to talk to Paris about cute concession, yeah.

B

And we have not had a chance to connect yet, but I know I still have to do that, and there are a few other people. We were hoping to connect with around that too, but yes I'm, trying to get that in the next week or so, because I wanted to well I want to make sure that the talk is differentiated enough from open source leadership summit yeah.

A

That makes sense, thank you for having that on your radar. Yes,.

B

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Nicole and Daniel are here so we're gonna skip this um Nicole and I are still working through the blog post she's on vacation right now, but we have a idea of what we want to write and maybe even split it up into multiple blog posts to keep them focused on one item at a time. One of them is going to be about the goal.

A

Question metric approach so that we can refer people to it to our new to chaos and they're like how does this even work and then more about how we used them and how he operates.

A

So that's the action items today. Do we have anything else to review.

C

hmm That was good for me.

B

I'm gonna find out another reminder just about good first issues to get involved in trying to get on a two-week schedule with that. So you know just look for that. That'll be comes in okay. This.

A

Is good, thank you, sir.

A

The next item on the agenda we already talked about with the action items is now required for all lips.

A

Just information points: the next item on the agenda is community bridge and Sarah I, don't know if you saw the email that you were asked if you wanted to these add it to the community bridge now.

B

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B

You wanted to bring it to the larger chaos board correct. We.

A

Discussed it at the larger chaos board, okay, and they said yes, we can go ahead and do this and Max was taking point on it. So there was an email threat where Matt added asked us for information on filling out the form to get added to the community bridge. Did you see this.

B

You might did actually yeah, so would it help if I took a look at that email Matt, because you're sort of stumped right, yeah.

C

I guess they're just a little bit of info that I could use from the group yeah.

B

Let me look at it and see if I have thoughts or I'll go back to our product team and ask them to give us the direction we need. Okay,.

C

Yeah I mean I'm happy to do this. Submission no problem. I just didn't want to speak on behalf of the DNA working group got.

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C

B

I'll take a look at.

C

It yeah cool thanks.

C

A

Okay, I put you down, sir, to take a look at that and, if you need to discuss any of this, of course, just send an email trust.

B

Yeah absolutely.

A

So, with regards to piloting DNI metrics Emma made a proposal and I linked it to it. In the meeting minutes, her idea was to define packages of metrics that we can pilot metrics that we think are mature enough to pilot and then, as we are working with communities and projects to pilot metrics, they can focus on these packages.

A

Let me put together I think that has a few interesting benefits.

A

One is that we can really hone in on specific metrics. We provide guidance to communities on how to get started and we can estimate how much work it is and learn from this piloting. So we looked at this document that I might put together last week, but left it.

A

We were not quite sure where to take it last week. I wanted to reflect on it, some more so I, don't know if any of you where's a chance to think about it. Where's.

B

The link again George is it your gives it in the chat room or is it in the agenda in.

A

The agenda? Okay, where it says pilot DNI, metrics, MS, doc, I, can also post in the chat real, quick.

A

So last time, as awesome last time has to be rebooted, there are a few things that.

A

We weren't quite sure that was the way we wanted to present it.

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A

Maybe a way to move this forward is to move this into a Google Doc that we can all edit and then discuss this on the mailing lists and some more.

C

So on again, this is the idea here is to help communities or projects start considering BNI, and maybe these are some metrics to look at first. Is that right.

A

Yes, this is for the pine lifting efforts that we have. Okay,.

C

Okay, yeah I mean moving it into a Google. Doc would be great, I think this documents, it's a great starter, yeah.

B

I, like the Google Doc idea too, just to.

C

Kind of do a little faster, I think.

B

Yep I, like that I mean.

C

Personally, if that's kind of a goal of this document, one of the things that comes to mind is if it's meant to kind of help projects start thinking about DNI within their projects.

C

Maybe it's worth producing a document, that's kind of has a marketing angle to it. That's.

B

The first thing that sort of jumped out at me to Matt that it's, um it I think it's. It could be great to live in github, but there might be another version that could be created based on it. Once we finalize the content, yeah.

C

Almost like a like an infographic kind of document, yep.

B

That's exactly what I was thinking.

C

C

B

Think getting the content right is like the first step, but and how it gets packaged up or put together visually and maybe there's a couple of different iterations of it. You know, you know short form, longer, form, yeah and no github form. You know, I mean who knows yeah I.

C

C

It's almost like the hoop was it kubernetes that had the pamphlet that was at the Leadership Summit.

C

There was like one of the communities having what's when was it? Was it jus.

A

Rap yeah that one yeah that was Green, it is yeah children's guide to Cuba nudists or something like that. It.

C

Was cute great yeah, yeah.

C

A

Okay, then, the next step is for me to put this into a Google Doc and share it on the mailing list. So we can kick off the discussions.

B

Yeah I think that's great.

B

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B

Like a one page or slide version, actually that gets folded into future talks could be a future. You know another way to repurpose this content. Yeah.

C

B

A

It's a good idea: I'm gonna write this in the meeting minute.

A

I, don't welcome Hadar.

D

There sorry I'm late.

D

A

So Don we were just talking about the document mi had together on describing what it takes to pilot DNI, metrics, okay,.

D

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Is the agenda item we are on right now, thank you and last week, as we had talked about it, we weren't quite sure what to do so. I just want to give you the chance to comment on it. If you had any thoughts since last week,.

D

All right, that's.

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D

Was at a conference all week, I'll admit I'm, not looking at anything related to two metrics or DNA. That.

A

Is perfectly fine I.

A

Know it's a little bit unfair you're joining just now and me putting the focus on yourself.

A

Okay, the next item on the agenda is talking about releasing DNI, metrics and I still need to put out the mail email. So we can have the conversation on the mailing list, but I'm thinking about it right now is that we will have to think about which metrics are complete enough to be released in in our first release and which ones we think we can get into a release state and then work from there.

A

The release schedule we talked about on the main mailing list is to have first draft or release candidate ready in June at the end of June, I. Think and.

D

When we look at our criteria for release metrics, do we want to look at it kind of by focus area? So if, if all the metrics is in a focus area are pretty well-defined, then we released the metrics for that focus area. What if we have a focus area where I don't know two or three out of maybe five or six are really well defined and the other is not defined at all. Does that mean that we wouldn't release it for the for the focus area.

A

C

So obviously, the focus area- this is my shot right, but if the focus area has five metrics that are well-defined, of course, that is part of the release to me for the second. If there's a focus area that has two out of five like you're talking about I would say: go ahead and release personally, but that's just me.

A

And then you might thought: okay.

C

A

To release the focus area with only two metrics and keep the undeveloped metrics in the back hand, for future releases.

C

Yeah I wouldn't show the undeveloped ones on the website, so that focus area would temporarily be comprised of two metrics, even potentially just one metric mm-hmm.

B

And the others would say, sort of in progress or something.

C

Yeah we could say that I mean maybe with that. That would be a caveat that we would just put at the top of the page yeah.

B

So they know more metrics will be coming, but in the meantime, we'd want to encourage people to get started yep whatever level we we're at, so that they can hopefully yeah yeah.

D

I like that, and there might be something we could just sort of generically footnote to that- you know, for you know, put a little little footnote beside metrics that haven't been completely defined and just say that there are more metrics in this area that are coming and if people are interested, they can look at the github repo from for contributions, so it'd be a way to encourage contributions without actually kind of getting into the details of about which ones aren't defined. Yep.

C

A

So I I heard three different options right now. One is, we release only good ones that are well developed and not mentioned any of the other metrics.

A

The second option is, we have all of the metrics listed on the release, but the ones that are undeveloped while we name them, we put its cream on them that they're not well defined yet, and the third option is that we put only the well defined metrics in the released and then have a generic disclaimer in each focus area that there may be more metrics that are under development and linked to the repository where this work is happening. I.

C

Think my thought was number three. That was where my brain was.

C

The metrics that are VIP names.

B

Of the metrics.

C

That are well defined end up on the webpage mm-hmm.

D

C

Then this I think Sara and Don we're talking about there's just a caveat that says: hey there. There are others that are being developed, they're not listed here. If you want to go, take.

D

A look at what those are head.

C

On over to the github repo enjoying technically yeah.

D

Yeah the reason I like that one is because it is kind of a way to get more contributors. I.

A

Also like this third approach, okay,.

C

Good I have to drop off so later. Folks, now.

A

We good day met see you later right.

A

The last thought it's any other thoughts on releasing DNI metrics.

D

I'ma put those an order of rough preference, as discussed in the meeting. That's all right in the notes. That's a good idea! Yeah! It's not to lose that part of the discussion.

A

D

I'm trying to make this better and I'm, making it worse.

A

D

I'll just undo that okay I think.

A

D

It's not clear that that shows a priority.

A

Awesome, thank you for fixing it now.

A

It's a good idea to keep the result of our discussion, captured lengthen senator.

A

So with that, the releasing DNR metrics will continue the conversation on the mailing list and we're on our last agenda item to determine who is going to send out the reminder for next week's call and facilitate any volunteers. I.

D

Will be around the whole meeting, so I could either facilitate or I could take notes, depending on what someone else wants to do. I'm good, either way.

B

Thank you. I can help too for either wrong, as I will be here next week. I.

B

Don't mind sending out the reminder, so that's agenda and with reminder and then I would be the facilitator right. Don.

D

Okay, everybody.

A

Okay, Thank You Riley.

A

Then any other things on your minds and yeah things we want to discuss today.

B

B

Have one quick question for the first release that we're trying to get to in June? Is there any focus or prioritization that we should be working on with the metrics or just still continue to kind of go in and help out and contribute and give feedback where we're sort of inclined to or have interests or expertise.

D

D

Wonder and we don't necessarily have to do it now, we could always do it in the next.

D

The next call but I wonder if we should walk through all of the focus areas and get kind of an assessment of completeness of each one, because then we could prioritize, because if we have, if we have one focus area, that's kind of half done, maybe we prioritize doing that one over starting a new one, or maybe we decide that if one of them isn't doesn't have any definitions at all, maybe we want to focus on on the undefined area and define a few of the key metrics. We have something in each focus area.

D

Right, I, don't know what the right way is to prioritize that, but we can have that discussion. I, think yeah.

B

I don't know either that's my sort of threw it out there, but I didn't know. People did want to have an input or had opinions. Yeah yeah.

D

I think it would be worth doing that yeah I think it'd be worth doing that in a call as part of the part of the agenda, so that we can sort some of this stuff out. Okay, and that would give us some some places to focus our efforts over the next month or two right.

D

D

Cool, it's good idea.

A

Yeah we can put that on the agenda for next week, and I can also put that idea in the email that I'm going to send out.

A

So we can get some ideas on we're in this weather approach might be better rather to try to get at least one metric in which focus area or to focus on the focus areas that are already well-defined and making them more feature. Complete mm-hmm.

D

Cool yeah that'd be good, get some input on that.

D

Anything else are we: are we good I.

A

Don't have anything else.

A

Yes, thank you very much. Thanks.

D

Everybody oh good day right. Bye-Bye thank.

B