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CHAOSS.D&I.July.29.2020
A
A
It's
really
great
to
see
you
we're
happy
that
you're
here,
the
first
order
of
business
again,
if
you
have
not
put
your
name
down
in
the
in
the
meetings
list
as
an
attendee
put
it
make
sure
you
if
you
want
you
don't
have
to,
but
if
you
want
to
put
your
name
down
there
and
how
you're
doing
that
would
be
great
and
the
first
order
of
business
is
to
find
a
facilitator
for
next.
Excuse
me
for
next
week.
A
D
E
C
Yeah
hi,
so
my
name
is
laura
davish,
I'm
a
faculty
member
at
carnegie,
mellon
university
in
the
human
computer,
interaction
institute
and
our
college
of
public
policy
and
information
systems
and
yeah
we've
been
doing
some
work
on
contributor
pathways
into
open
source.
I'm
trying
to
understand
not
just
kind
of
the
initial
barriers
to
participation,
but
what
happened
sort
of
before
that?
So
how
do
people
become
aware
of
open
source
and
then
how
do
they
kind
of
join
and
become
contributors
more
involved?
C
F
Could
you
re-share
the
agenda
elizabeth,
because
the
one
in
the
meeting
notice
I
have
is
not
valid
and
I
just
shared
the
general
meeting
minutes
for
some
reason?
Oh.
G
A
Yeah,
so
the
minutes
are
there
now
and
shawn
to
your
point
about
the
calendar
invitation
having
the
wrong
link.
I
also
noticed
that
too
today,
so
I
will
see
if
I
can
fix
that.
If
I.
F
A
A
That
yeah,
I
was
just
gonna,
say
well
sean's
doing
that
we
can.
We
can
move
on
and
we'll
skip
over
the
dni
badging
stuff
until
matt
is
here
and
let's
go
on
to
magali.
Tell
us
about
your
project.
This
sounds
really
interesting.
H
Hello,
my
name
is
mugali,
so
I'm
basically
an
intern
in
dr
dab's
lab.
You
guys
may
know
her
as
laura
and
I
jumped
on
as
an
intern
known.
H
But
I
kind
of
jumped
on
as
an
interim
to
help
out
with
her
research
and
while
conducting
all
these
readings
and
these
interviews,
I
kind
of
noticed
that
diversity,
as
we
speak
about
an
open
source,
tends
to
be
about
gender
diversity
and
there's
not
very
much
data
about
racial
diversity,
and
so
my
research
research
kind
of
tries
to
center
black
students
and
contributors
and
kind
of
there
are
two
parts
of
my
research.
So
our
research,
one
part,
is
the
survey.
H
H
Experience
of
those
just
becoming
aware
or
maybe
who
are
not
over
it
or
aware
yet
or
and
can
use
that
as
a
resource
and
those
who
are
kind
of
already
embedded
in
the
open
source
community
and
again,
it's
kind
of
centering
black
students
and
contributors,
and
then
the
second
part
of
the
study
is
more
of
an
interview
piece.
H
And
so
the
big
ask
is
kind
of
to
get
the
survey
out
to
as
many
people
as
possible
at
all
these
different
levels.
So
I'm
sending
it
out
to
some
students
and
to
some
people
within
different
ecosystems
or
yeah
within
different
open
source
ecosystems.
And
I'm
trying
to
see
if
I
can
get
a
response
there.
A
A
It
really
does
I
love
it.
No
sorry,
georg,
I
was
just
going
to
say:
how
can
we
help
you
like
what?
What
can
we
do
to
support
you,
and
I
have
some
thoughts
that
I
can
also
take
offline
with
you
that,
because
I
have
some
context
that
I
would
love
to
introduce
you
to,
but
we
can
do
that
later
so.
H
So
yeah,
my
the
what
would
be
most
helpful
is
probably
trying
to
get
the
survey
out
to
as
many
people
as
you
can
so
kind
of.
If
you
have
different
channels
or
people
that
you
can
help
me
connect
with.
That
would
be
great
and
also
again
for
the
interview
piece.
If
you
know
black
developers
of
the
source,
that
would
be
comfortable.
G
Magaly
I
was
going
to
suggest
like
for
openstack.
If
you
joined
our
discuss
list
and
introduce
yourself
and
send
it
out,
you
could
get
some
through
there
if
you
put
it
out
on
social,
we'll
all
retweet
it
for
you.
Just
let
us
you
know,
give
us
a
link
to
it.
G
I
also
put
in
the
agenda
at
the
very
bottom.
The
open,
infra
summit
conference
is
coming
up
and
our
call
for
papers
is
through
next
tuesday
night
and
there
is
an
open,
dev
track
where
things
like
this
might
fit.
If
you
like,
if
you
had
your
results
back
or
even
partial
results
and
wanted
to
present
them,
you
could
go
ahead
and
put
in
a
cfp
and
I'll
wait
and
go
over
more
of
it
and
answer
questions
later.
But
you
know
these
are
just
some
ideas.
G
This
group
is
a
great
group
because
most
of
us
have
run
surveys
in
our
community,
so
we're
a
great
resource
on
finding
the
questions,
but
also
how
to
get
it
out.
There.
G
That's
always
the
question,
and
I
don't
know
about
within
red
hat
to
our
groups,
because
we've
got
a
lot
of
diversity
and
inclusion
groups
within
it
and
efforts.
I
will
how
about
we
just
make
a
list
in
the
meeting
notes
and
everyone
can
put
stuff
there.
Does
that
work
for
everyone
and
I've
already
got
the
call
for
papers
there,
but
I'll
add
the
discuss
mailing
list
and
other
things
there.
A
D
People
one
one
thing
that
I
found
to
be
really
useful
is
to
have
like
a
little
packet
ready
for
people
and
then
just
hand
it
out
to
them.
So
like
little
suggested
tweets
with
your
hashtags
included
in
your
links.
You
know
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
and
then
you
just
give
it
out
to
people
and
then
they'll
go
and
do
it.
It's
just
that
a
lot
of
times
people
don't
know
how
to
represent
you
or
your
project
correctly,
and
so
it's
just
so
much
safer.
D
H
Yeah
I
someone
to
matt
and
I
could
put
that
in
the
meeting
notes
also
if
that
would
be
helpful.
A
And
one
one
final
question:
for
you:
are
you
limiting
it
to
just
engineers,
or
can
it
be
anyone
working
in
tech.
A
I
Something
that
is
a
bit
just
of
a
tangent,
but
on
on
the
same
thought
so
about
a
year
ago
I
was
in
the
node.js
project
and
they
do
an
annual
survey.
Most
most
big
projects
have
an
annual
survey
and
it
I
think
it
was
the
first
time
that
we
put
in
the
node.js
survey
a
question
and
that's
after
I
learned
about
chaos
and
york
kind
of
joined.
In
that
meeting,
we
put
a
question
to
talk
about.
I
You
know
how
people
identify
in
terms
of
accessibility,
so
I
I
think
it's
fair
to
also
wonder
you
know
in
this
group
if
there
could
be
a
template
on
what
kind
of
question
projects
can
elect
to
include
in
surveys
to
be
able
to
identify
how
well
they're
doing
in
inclusion,
because
if
we're
just
going
to
be
talking
about,
you
know
there
there
being
a
good
question
that
folks
can
include,
then
then
we
will
be
encouraging
the
dialogue
within
the
projects
as
well,
and
that
that's
just
dependent
on
this
discussion.
C
Just
picking
up
on
that,
that's
actually
something
we
were
wondering
about
if
you
all
had
talked
about
or
thought
about
just
how
to
how
to
ask
that
questions
like
in
terms
of
helping
projects
measure
that
for
themselves,
so
that
it
would
be
great
to
continue
that
dialogue
in
the
future.
I
Definitely
interested
yeah,
so
I
think
I
can
throw
in
the
agenda
just
to
link
to
the
issue
where
we
included
the
node.js
question
and
just
try
to
follow
from
there
and
come
up
with
the
right
question
and
maybe
find
projects
that
would
be
interested
to
pilot
the
question.
I
can
try
with
node.js.
G
G
A
A
Okay,
so
what
is
next?
The
open
infra
summit
cfp
is
that
I
I
assume
that
that
would
be
next
on
the
agenda.
G
Well,
we're
there
already
okay,
so
I
kind
of
mentioned
it
earlier.
The
open
infrastructure
summit
was
supposed
to
be
in
berlin.
It
has
gone
virtual.
G
We
don't
know
what
platform
yet
and
we
don't
know
what
time
zone
we're
actually
going
to
run
in
yet,
but
cfp
is
open
until
tuesday
night,
I've
included
the
link
there
and
the
track.
I
think
that
is
most
relevant
to
this
group
is
probably
open
development,
which
includes
dni.
G
G
And
we
are
holding
office
hours
so
in
your
case
magali.
If
you're
not
sure
how
to
write
your
proposal,
you
could
get
in
touch
with
the
programming
people
for
that
track,
I'm
doing
getting
started.
So
I
do
not.
I
can
find
out
for
you,
but
I
do
not
know
who's
in
charge
of
that
track
and
they'll
go
over
what
you're
thinking
in
your
proposal
and
help
you
get
through
the
process.
G
G
I
think
the
decision
to
go
virtual
has
left
us
a
little
questioning.
What's
going
on
so
yeah,
we
we
needed
to
go
virtual,
there's
no
doubt
about
that.
The
conference
will
be
free
platform
and
time
zones
are
unknown.
I
keep
asking
questions
like
and
I
need
to
send
out.
Is
there
birds
of
feathers
and
stuff,
and
no?
This
group
is
definitely
welcome
to
join
in
the
working
group
and
birds
of
a
feather,
even
though
not
openstack
or
openstack
foundation
related
in
the
past.
We've
done.
G
Mentoring
ones
showing
the
value
of
mentoring,
we've
done
dni
showing
the
numbers.
Our
survey
is
not
that
recent
this
time
around,
so
I
don't
know
if
I
would
necessarily
do
something
going
over
the
survey,
but
we
can
definitely
do
something
how
to
how
to
get
started
importance
of
dni
those
type
of
things.
G
So,
there's
there's
lots
of
things
we
can
do,
whether
this
group
or
as
individuals,
I
can't
believe
it's
closing
next
tuesday,
so
yeah
I'm
losing
track
of
time
really
badly.
A
Amy,
I
didn't
see
anywhere
on
that
link
as
to
what
day
is
the
conference.
A
G
G
G
But
yeah-
and
I
haven't
heard
if
open
source
summit's
going
virtual
yet
or
if
they're,
keeping
their
dates.
G
Yeah
and
that's,
the
prospectus
is
mainly
like
sponsoring
and
stuff
like
that,
but
yeah,
so
they're
still
working
on
the
platform
working
on
time
zones,
we've
been
very
successful
lately
doing
what
we
called
open,
dev,
which
was
supposed
to
be
part
of
our
projects,
team
gathering
in
vancouver,
boatwood
virtual,
and
what
we've
been
doing.
There
is
running
three
half
days,
starting
at
like
eight
nine
o'clock
in
the
morning,
so
trying
to
be
time
zone
friendly
as
best
as
possible.
G
But
I
do
not
know
if
they're
going
to
keep
to
those
short
time
spans,
in
which
case
I
think
they
would
need
more
days
depending
on
the
number
of
submissions
and
what
got
through
the
cfp
or
whether
they're
going
to
go
full
days.
So
I
don't
think
they
can
really
add
days
to
it.
So
my
guess
is
they're
going
to
go
for
longer
time
spans,
and
I
just
don't
know
what
I
mean
because
realistically
this
is
our
european
conference.
G
We
should
be
on
bmea
time
or
at
least
german
time,
but
I
don't
know
if
they'll
do,
that
being
that.
That
would
wouldn't
be
all
that
inclusive
for
other
time
zones.
D
One
thing:
that's
kind
of
cool
amy
is
and
george
was
part
part
of
this.
We
did
a
inner
source.
Commons
conference
is
much
smaller,
but
we
had
over
a
90
retention
rate
and
half
day.
I
can't
stress
that
enough
making
your
talks
a
lot
shorter,
can't
stress
that
enough
figure
out
how
to
make
different
pieces
of
it
interactive.
D
All
of
those
things,
I
think,
is
what
led
us
to
having
such
a
wonderful
retention
rate.
I'm
working
on
modifying
big
blue
button
right
now
to
make
it
more
scalable,
and
so,
if
any
of
y'all
want
to
talk
about
that
because
we're
hosting
it
on
all
of
our
own
stuff,
it
might
be
something
that's
applicable
because
it's
also
open
source.
G
Yeah
and
the
trouble
is
by
the
time
we
get
to
october,
even
mid-october.
We
are
also
burnt
out
on
virtual
conferences
yeah,
so
you
know
one
thing
I
was
saying
make
sure
your
your
title's
catchy
and
you
know,
if
you're
not
doing
a
workshop,
do
demos
and
have
homework
and
stuff
like
that,
so
as
interactive
as
you
can
get
like,
I'm
thinking
about
doing
getting
garrett,
which
is
usually
a
lunch
and
learn,
but
it's
like
do
I
apply
for
that
workshop
spot,
or
do
I
put
it
in
my
getting
started
track?
G
You
know
and
those
are
decisions
you
need
to
make
as
well.
So
I
know
I
can
do
it
in
an
hour.
The
problem
would
be.
G
I
can't
walk
around
the
room
now
and
help
you
personally
by
standing
behind
you
and
pointing
my
finger
and
saying
we
need
to
change
this.
So
red
hat,
open
source
program
office
has
been
looking
at
hopin.2
and
I
just
asked
on
their
channel
because
I've
got
some
workshops
coming
up
that
I
was
hoping
to
attend
one.
So
I
could
see
what
the
platform
was
and
whether
it
would
work.
So
those
things
need
to
be
taken
into
consideration
as
well
and
like
grace
hopper
for
open
source
day,
I've
been
asking
them
for
two
weeks.
G
I
cannot
give
you
a
description
of
what
we're
doing
until
you
tell
me
what
platform
you're
using
and
how
it's
being
run,
because
I
can't
plan
on
breaking
up
into
small
groups.
If
I
don't
have
that
capability,
they
change
the
date
on
me,
which
I'm
really
pissed
about.
I
think,
basically,
if
you
can't
break
up
into
small
groups,
you
shouldn't
do
it
and
check
this
out.
They're
planning
on
8
30
in
the
morning,
at
least
for
the
men,
are
showing
up
at
8
30
in
the
morning
pacific
to
6
p.m.
D
Even
live
person,
I've
thrown
several
now
of
several
hundred
people,
and
you
know
the
scope
of
2000
is
intimidating
to
me.
Obviously,
for
that
reason,
but
I
found
that
basically,
if
it's
not
interactive
and
you
aren't
doing
things,
nobody
cares,
you
know
and
that's
like
that's
what
the
schools
are
running
into
too.
Is
the
kids
can't
sit
there
and
like
at
a
screen
and
look
at
someone
who's
being
sage
on
the
stage
for
an
hour
you
just
none
of
us
have
that
kind
of
executive
function
right
now,
first
day
at
least
it
is
interactive.
G
But
you
know:
we've
done
everything
from
talking
to
the
whole
group
and
giving
a
lecture
and
then
everybody
working
individually.
Last
year
we
broke
it
up
into
smaller
teams,
so
you
had
a
project
manager,
a
ui
developer,
et
cetera.
You
know,
even
if
we
didn't
have
the
exact
role,
so
they
could
learn
how
it
was
to
be
in
a
team,
but
I
can't
tell
them
that's
what
we're
doing
this
year.
D
Yeah
totally
totally
yeah.
I
know
we're
we're.
That
was
actually
one
of
my
to
be
a
bit
harsh.
I
for
a
lot
of
my
budget
this
year,
how
I
decided
which
things
to
sponsor
and
which
things
not
to
sponsor.
As
I
went
and
looked,
and
if
you
had
eight
one
hour
sessions,
I
did
not
sponsor
you
this
year
for
virtual
yeah,
so
that
that
was
just
my
decision
is
that
I
was
like
that
was
just
way
too
much.
D
G
G
G
But
what
we
do
because
openstack
I
can't
expect
anyone
to
be
able
to
find
a
bug
that
they
can
do
within
a
day.
Our
project's
too
big
they're
not
going
to
get
reviewed.
Even
unless
it's
a
project
I
have,
I
can
plus
one
plus
two,
you
know
so
we
tend
to
do
something
a
little
more
opsy
and
whether
we
do
demos
at
the
end
of
the
day,
which
sometimes
we
do
sometimes
we
don't.
D
And
that
you
might
want
to
look
at
the
new
thing
that
o'reilly
just
purchased,
but
it's
not
open
source
for
doing
the
code
pieces.
It
looks
actually
pretty
good
on
its
interface.
So.
G
G
Last
year
we
made
a
new
theme
for
the
horizon
dashboard,
because
that
was
visual.
That
was
something
they
could
do
locally
and
put
up,
but
changing
the
way
you
load
an
image
into
the
image
database
yeah
they
could
maybe
do
it
locally,
but
it's
not
anything.
That's
going
to
get
reviewed
and
patched
in
a
day.
D
So
they're
they're
adopting
that
into
a
online
format
for
doing
the
virtual
workshops.
G
D
A
So
if
anybody
has
any
questions
for
amy
on
that
feel
free
to
ask
or
we
can
move
along
yeah
because
matt's,
okay
yep,
I
see
matt
and
I
see
asta
as
well.
So
do
you
all
want
to
go
ahead
and
give
us
your
update.
A
Well,
I
was
muted
that
whole
time
I
was
talking.
So
how
does
technology
work?
Yes,
so
matt
and
asa
are
here.
So
if
you
all
want
to
give
us
an
update
on
the
on
the
dni,
badging
that'd
be
great.
J
I'll,
let
us
do
the
update
on
well
I'll,
ask
dasta
to
do
the
update
on
the
workflow
side
of
things
and
then
I'm
going
to
talk
about
the
call
to
action.
So
if
you
want
to
go
ahead.
E
Okay,
so
like
right
now,
we
are
putting
together
a
more
sensible
badge
assignment
process,
because,
yes,
so
we
are
thinking
about
percentages
right
now,
which
is
slightly
different
like
which
was
the
direction
this
was
going
last
week
and
now
it's
kind
of
the
part
we'll
be
looking
at.
E
E
E
I
I
don't
have
anything
specific
to
say
about
it.
As
of
now.
J
J
So
I
wanted
to
put
out
there
that
we
we
need
people
to
review
and
moderate,
which
we
can
explain
those
roles
as
well,
and
then
we
need
people
to
apply
to
people
who
are
interested
in
applying
as
a
I
think,
we're
going
to
be
starting
out
we're
looking
at
starting
out,
probably
just
events
only
at
this
point
and
taking
on
virtual
and
regular
type
of
events,
and
then
we
just
we're
looking
for
people
that
are
kind
of
organizers
on
their
event,
team
or
people
who
want
to
help
review
the
projects
for
their
diversity.
J
Inclusion
aspects.
So
if
you're
interested
in
that,
let
me
put
an
email
up
here
that
we
can,
that
you
can
contact
us
at
or
I'll
put
both
of
our
emails
up
here
and
yeah.
We're
really
glad
to
see
this
product
has
gone
so
far,
so
quickly,
this
badging
program,
and
if
you
want
to
know
more
about
it
in
general,
first
also
just
let
us
know
we're
glad
to
talk
about
it.
That's
all
I
have
for
now.
I
guess
so.
J
What
we're
working
on
with
the
bots
is
just
that
we
were
working
on
automating
the
process
for
which
the
application
is
made
and
really
looking
forward
to
seeing
how
that
turns
out
in
the
second
pilot
test,
we're
also
looking
for
people
for
the
pilot
testings.
Just
let
us
know
if
you're
interested
in
getting
involved
in
any
way.
That's
all.
I
have.
C
Is
there
a
good
place
to
learn
more
about
that
initiative?
The
badging
initiative.
J
Yeah
sorry,
a
lot
of
people
here
have
already
I've
already
been
like
heard
about
this
way
too
much.
Let
me
let
me
link
the
I'll
put
in
the
document,
our
github
link
for
our
badging
organization
and
under
the
diversity
and
inclusion
repository.
A
A
B
A
That's
that's
a
great
idea
and
matt's
now
has
put
a
link
in
the
chat
to
oh,
that's
to
the
badging.
Let's
find
a
link
to
our
github
for
the
review.
B
A
George,
I
knew
you
would
be
faster
than
me
you're,
always
on
top
of
things.
I
love
it
so
much
so
if
you
click
on
that
link,
you'll
see
our
our
working
group
for
diversity,
inclusion
and
we
for
those
who
aren't
familiar.
We
have
a
so
when
we
release
a
metric,
we
have
a
30-day
review
period
that
we
can
invite
comments
from
whoever
just
to
kind
of
give
it
a
public
kind
of
peer
review.
A
A
B
B
B
So,
let's
see
armstrong,
says,
looks
good
matt
broberg
says:
there's
a
collection
of
great
practice
and
advice.
I'm
curious
if
there's
advice
that
could
be
offered
to
all
the
experience
into
a
metric
from
the
qualitative
approach
listed.
For
example,
after
interviewing
the
community
contract
response
to
each.
B
B
I'm
just
reading
this,
rather
than
reading
it
out
that
I
hope
you're
reading
along.
A
What
do
you
think
about
the
her,
the
suggestion
to
add
the
the
likert
scale.
B
B
A
J
Meaning
of
it,
it's
becomes
like
when
it's
more
like
we,
we,
if
we
have
something-
that's
like
at
scale,
it's
easier
to
answer,
but
we
get
less
information
from
it
and
like
yes
or
no,
questions
are
are
kind
of
like
that's
a
yes
or
no
question
as
it
is,
I
feel
like
it
would
fit
better
as
a
like
a
question.
B
B
B
Okay,
so
we
we
addressed
one,
let's
work
our
way
up,
since
the
first
two
questions
are
open-ended.
We
can
switch
the
phrasing
to
describe
your
experience
with
using.
A
The
only
the
only
thing
I
might
add
to
that
is
is
your
idea
of
structured
intuitively
might
be
different
than
mine.
So,
like
as
a
newcomer
who
doesn't
know
anything
about
the
project
like,
I
might
have
a
different,
maybe
assumption
about
how
to
find
things
so
that
that's
only
that's
just
kind
of
a
subjective
descriptor.
I
think
just
in
my.
A
A
So
maybe
we
could
say
something
about
if
we,
if
we
want
to
keep
structured
intuitively,
maybe
add
to
to
newcomers
to
the
project.
B
I
yeah
elizabeth,
I
you're
right
that
newcomers,
but
even
newcomers
have
very
different
ways
that
they
think,
and
so
they
come
from
different
backgrounds,
so
different
structures
are
intuitive
to
them.
So
I
think
we
cannot
remove
that
intuitive
part.
B
A
J
A
B
B
A
A
J
J
C
I'll
just
briefly
say:
we've
been
working
on
in
my
lab
some
interventions
for
newcomer,
welcoming
newcomers
that
it
might
be
cool
to
connect
with
the
some
of
the
metric
stuff
here
and
the
badging
anyway.
Maybe
at
some
point
I
can
tell
the
group
about
it,
but
also
matt.
Maybe
I
can
follow
up
with
you.
C
Yeah
for
price
for
projects
to
to
welcome
new
contributors,
awesome
that
sounds
super
interesting
and
using
that
framing
yeah
to
yeah
anyway
yeah.
I
can
see
more
about
it
later,
but.