CHAOSS DEI Working Group, 30 Aug 2023

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Meeting minutes are here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MzDk84BL7FfHDxbFxJz39M72V2Hfc5Y6oCPhOl6woxo/edit#heading=h.84y8f0nfumer

Meeting summary is here: https://chaoss.discourse.group/t/dei-working-group-meeting-summary-august-30-2023/257

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Hi, this is Wi-Fi.

B

What hey Kingsley? How are you doing good to see you again.

A

Okay, so I'm going to share my screen. Yeah.

C

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B

Yep I can see okay, yeah.

A

Okay, so um so this is what we have at the moment. Let me see okay, so um I think after um we had a design, there was a design, I met, I. Think a couple of weeks back and um after I called with Sarah.

A

You know we made some changes to kind of like adapt to the all-in brand style and care of us. So um currently on the home page right. We have the height work session, so I think some of these copies are being reviewed.

A

So sorry, if it doesn't reflect some of the changes that has been made, I think I'm here to make those adjustments so and then we have the about us page.

A

So this is what we have so when you click on um when you click on the application process, so you see the different the sub, you know you know sub categories or topic. Description of you know the different badging process and stuff so, and you also have the this section that talks about the DI dot MD file and the DI badges.

A

So um this kind of this also reflects you know the style on the all-in website, since we are still modeling.

A

um This particular project in line with what they are doing, but just a blend of the Chaos color like saying here and in some aspects of the project.

A

So these more like you know, of course, talks about the I think, Ruth and Anita. You know handles the content and stuff so and we have the project.

A

Because, before as a maintainer, so maybe before scanning my project in though I'll probably love to go through to see, if maybe maybe the project had been assigned a badge or whatever badge has been assigned in the past, so I can search, but then, if I don't want to jump on, the search I can also filter right. So we have options for you can filter based on the date. The project was published, the batch dates or you can filter by alphabetical order.

A

So um I think those are the kinds options you have and, um of course it's paginated, because you can't just display everything on a single page. So that's for the the projects page.

A

Then the big one is the get started page where I don't know. Maybe if you have questions so far, am I too fast to do something. No.

B

I think um we're just watching, and just uh in case it's not clear. This is the design that has been uh refined, so it isn't implemented yet. um Okay, this uh it's clear.

C

To everyone so I have a few comments um and maybe a few questions so I've seen a few times, at least on the the content. So I guess my question is Ruth. We had worked on some of the copy. A few days back is.

D

This is that here it hasn't been uploaded yet so.

B

C

D

Feel like to be just upload that content to the design before.

E

A

Okay! Okay! So sorry about that much I.

D

Think I was just.

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Having a conversation between uh with Anita, just to sync, with some of the changes that we made so.

C

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After this call, I'll make some of those updates.

C

Okay, yeah just making sure that you knew that there had been some changes that had been made. Sure.

A

Sure yeah, thank you, yeah, okay, so.

C

um Well, a few uh so a few times that just make sure that so what's the consistency for All In because like at the top, it's lowercase a lower caste case I in those brackets and then in the text.

C

It's all in like capital, a lowercase I so does does Sarah want to be consistent. Do you know.

A

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um Based on what we have I think the design um the design handles from Kyle, which I believe is designed at um All In, so um the logo I got was actually all in with a lowercase a and, of course, so and um I think I just got it and then attached it to you know the case logo, so I didn't make any better changes. So in terms of the consistency too, in terms of the style, um I also adopted the the braces here, you notice I hope the quality press is here.

A

You know it's different from the green yep. Now what else? The green is the overall logo, the all-in logo? Well, we have all in style for maintenance, and that's where you find this color okay, because this project, the budget, the DI project badging, falls on the the maintenance they're. All the info maintenance.

C

A

So only for students has a different color, so I just adopted kind of like when you hover on each of this right. It changes to yep, okay, yeah so, and why I really adopted this for the design. So it's kind of resonates with the chaos perfect.

C

I mean over I mean I think this looks amazing. I should I should have started with that before I started giving comments um and then how so like go back to the maybe about page.

C

Okay and then, um let's see scroll, oh click on the dei.md file over there on the left, okay, and so how do we? This is an example. So, ultimately, will these Pages be available in a GitHub repository so that we could suggest changes to them because, as an example, those four points you have at the bottom that says like GitHub and all that kind of stuff we've we've modified those a little bit in the dei.md file to be you know a bit more agnostic to the platform or somebody might be interacting with the dei.md file.

C

I mean it's fine here, but I'm just curious how we might go about ensuring that those changes to the dei.md file end up getting reflected to the website, because if I could just do a pull request, that would be fine.

D

Where, like the puppy as well, will leave where you can just do pull request? Okay,.

C

D

Okay, the changes: okay.

C

I, just so the content it when it goes live. The content will be available in GitHub and.

A

C

Can make those consistent with each other.

A

C

Okay, cool I'll, just just making sure okay um I think that was it. Thank you.

A

Okay, um so slide continue or have more questions. Yeah.

C

Yeah no well at least I'm done. Other people might have questions.

A

Okay, that's cute baby! Thank you! um So, okay, so for a user that wants to badge is our project, so we expected to click on get started and then you get to because so before you continue with process, you definitely have to know some of the basic requirements we need to buy to project so just to be sure that the user has this before engaging.

A

So you can now authenticate with GitHub like login, with GitHub, just sign in assuming you sign up or sign in so okay, so we have um I personally added this copy, but I think um Anisa is trying to refine, and the whole idea about this is that um as a user, I would really love to know where I'm coming from and what I'm supposed to do next. So thank you for your decisions about your projects, type, your preferred kind of like just a walkthrough, to know exactly what to do. So.

A

um That's why I have this copy here. So maybe if you're not interested- and you know exactly what you want to do so, if you're a smart user, you can click that up. So so and then I'll proceed to search for type to search. So just assuming that you've typed the project, then you can select one. That's.

C

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Know anyone you want, because this is pulling from your repository stuff, so select one and then and now the selected project appears below like a tag. So this gives the option to go back type. Admob project I think currently we're just working with scanning a single project at a time. But if ever we want to kind of, like you know like scale things up and probably add more projects and scan more project on the go, so I can search and just keep on adding.

A

So any project I want to take over I'm, not interested in scanning I'll, just over click it to remove it from there. So I cannot proceed to scan project.

A

So um so the copy here to I think we're also still working on this so now kind of like updated, like your scramble successful and you get like a scan reports, you know certain time and um so I'll actually assume that the user either wants to probably continue, maybe go back to scan another project or maybe perform any other activity. You can go back to the home page about us projects page or you can just click to batch, more projects which basically takes you back to where we started so um I.

A

Think that's the flow for the guests that they've.

C

Experience and.

A

So I I don't know if you have questions for this particular hello.

C

I uh I have a comment and actually just keep the screen up that you have right here. Okay, so the I think the final um this page would say you know, scan successful hello, Enoch, you um I, don't know what we will receive a Dei that you'll receive a Dei project, badge: okay and you know online successful scan and then you should also receive a supplemental Dei report within the next four days.

A

Oh okay, okay,.

C

So the badge is, is purely tied to the successful scan of the dei.md file.

C

Okay and then the report that is going to be generated by auger is that's a supplemental report that should show up, like whatever some number of days later.

C

So they'll end up getting two things: I think one they'll get a badge almost immediately, because I think the scan yeah.

B

That's what we that's exactly what we decided. It would be immediate.

C

Yeah, so the Dei, the scan of the dei.md file I, would imagine, doesn't take very long because you're looking for the presence of the dei.md file um plus the headers, the four headers in this in the dei.md file, plus some content below the headers and based on that scan they'll receive the bronze badge.

C

And that's kind of the end, that's technically the end of the badging process. Then, four days later, as a supplemental service, we provide an additional report for their repository Dei report for the Repository.

A

Okay, so um I think I'm, just like personally trying to um maybe I should ask like a question, because you mentioned that discount reports will be from logo.

A

That's right, okay, so um I also want to understand- maybe just educated me more because uh as a user, if you're introducing alcohol I, don't know if, like this set of Maintenance are already like familiar with, you know, are we getting a different email from Ogle or we are still working with, like um um maybe.

B

This is a good question. It would be a second it's a second email, um and so, but the only thing that we have left to configure is to have a basically shared account and I. Think I can't remember if this is resolved or not, but we were trying to get an all-in email account that you could send emails directly from for the badge and then we would just use the same email to send the report so you're coming from the same badging entity.

D

Yeah we're trying to reserve at the email will do on for it, so you can come from the same email address since the.

D

And then just for context for everyone as well, um once this span is successful, there will be like an email that I sent to the users email affiliated with their GitHub account with the with the badge the copy of the badge like the HTML, um but so that they can add it to wherever they want to and I think in the previous meeting we had before this one we had also talked about adding like in the exactly. This is the bill that keeps me showing and we are.

D

um We are also going to add in this email that they would that notify them that they would receive the reports from ogre in a few days just to keep them. uh We waiting for like the email, so yeah. So this is the email um there will be an email to. They are to the email that is associated with their GitHub account.

D

B

D

B

Of the content, we thought we needed to edit as well.

D

Yeah, this is another one. We are going to update.

D

I. Think Anita already talked talk to you, Maps comments, yeah.

C

I just saw that.

C

C

And then there was a question in the chat.

C

That maybe Elizabeth you got it answered yeah.

E

As I was typing, it so great minds: Ruth.

C

All right, okay, okay, so.

A

um uh Just I think Ruth just mentioned so this is the email template I worked on, maybe like almost like you're working with so um like you mentioned, I I, think yeah. Of course, Anita will work on the copy and then but then the user I think this is the email that will carry the part where I think user can download about directly opinion. So.

C

um So I think, uh okay, two things one I'll take a look at some of the copy for this, but I think it looks really great. This is a great email to receive.

C

With respect to the badge or I'm, sorry with respect to the report, I I feel like we should probably call it. You'll receive a report from all in the all-in chaos project, badging project, or something like that, as opposed to saying auger just so. They understand that it's still from that's.

B

My project badging yeah.

A

That's a point: that's the point that I was trying to make certain things out, because all that you know using these different terms can be a little bit. You know reasonable user that doesn't really know what all go is come on. I've been interacting with di project budging to always yeah I.

C

Appreciate that point so I I, agree, I think it should just say, like all in chaos, project badging project that doesn't sound very good too many projects in there. Something like that.

A

uh For me, as it is, I think I'm much more interested in my getting my badge reports rather than the name or whatever it's coming.

C

From yeah, you can just say that too yeah you'll get a supplemental report in a few days. Thanks.

A

Okay, I think that's just the much I have from like the design perspective things. So thank.

D

You instantly um so I think this is um the design part and to be implemented soon um in the coming weeks. So this will be what we've mirrored on the websites um on the page, so the front-end team are still working on that and you know it's also still working on the bot side of things. So any feedback, questions and I think I should share the link to the repository as well.

D

uh Where is it.

D

You have an increase work, you don't put it here.

D

I think yeah I just shared it in the chat.

C

And this is this is where the web pages will sit. Is that what you're saying.

D

C

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C

We, whatever, if we see a typo or just a a fix to something we can just do it through here. That was like for my earlier question: where can.

B

C

Make them okay.

B

C

Yep, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

E

Okay, so I guess we can probably go on with the agenda. We just have a few more things really, unless we have more stuff to talk about with project badging.

C

From a timing perspective, Kingsley or Ruth, do you know when you might have um this moved over into the GitHub repository.

D

um So, for we have images in the next hour just.

B

D

Us to review the design and be sure that everything is okay and we don't have like any issues and then the front end team over at the next two weeks will move it over. You know update everything, so, okay,.

C

So a couple weeks, maybe yeah.

D

A couple of weeks, okay,.

C

It sounds good. Thank you.

E

Anything else we want to talk about project patching.

C

Again, a huge thank you looks amazing, yeah.

E

It really really does I'm so excited to launch this like it will be amazing, so.

C

It has been so many discussions and so much.

B

Going on fruit, I mean you're, not gonna. Have your first conversation earlier over a.

C

Year ago, boarding this out right and scoping it like bigger and smaller and bigger.

C

E

There we go amazing.

D

E

Okay, um just to move on, we can maybe end a little early since we left a ton of Time for That demo um just want to update everybody. This survey um that we had talked about that we did with the community. We talked about it last week, um we're going to be posting that blog post this week so keep an eye out for that.

E

um We still have all things: Open tickets, yay, I'm gonna, bring it up again in case anybody wants to go. Let me know just.

C

Change your name to All We, Have, All, Things, Open tickets.

C

E

Such a great conference, like oh yeah, I, wish I hope that we can take advantage of these because conference.

E

um The next one is I'm, just gonna be on vacation for a couple weeks. So I don't see you all um so. Somebody's gonna need to facilitate and we can do the volunteer if we want. We used to do that with this meeting um way back in the day. So if, if we watch somebody, if somebody I should say if somebody wants to facilitate, um we can do that now we can assign that now or else it's gonna fall, probably to Matt. It was like the backup for everything.

E

So um do we have anybody that wants to facilitate next week.

E

Okay, well, all right, I! Guess it's gonna, be you man, I.

B

Mean I'm happy to I'm happy to facilitate next week, you can put me down okay, everything.

E

And then we'll need one for the one after that, too,.

C

Work that out next week.

E

C

We'll sort that out next week.

E

There we go and then the final reminder is just. We have um our first project manager meeting today at 1pm, Central 7, P.M West Africa time, and this is for anybody who's interested in helping us out with project management. You don't need to have certification or anything like that, um if you, if you do, have some experience and you have some desire and interest in helping us just kind of organize and sort out all of our smaller projects within chaos.

E

That's what that meeting is about I'm, just trying to kind of lay a foundation for that, since we do have a lot of um a lot of moving Parts. Okay chaos, a lot of little things here and there um some big things here and there as well. So um we could really use your expertise and that's a great way to contribute. If you do have that experience and you don't want to contribute with code, but you are looking for something to help us out with um that would be great.

E

um We are going to have these maybe once a week well I'm going to make a vacation in the next two weeks, but when I come back, we'll have them, maybe once a week until we kind of get rolling and then maybe once a month after. That's not gonna really be a lot of um a lot of effort. There I, don't think we'll need that, so we're just trying to like figure out kind of what platform we want to use and how we want to.

E

If we want to put a process in so that if someone has an idea for a new project or wants to start something like how does how do we do that? Do we do we assign a project manager? How does that work? So um that's the kind of stuff we're going to be figuring out in the next few weeks. So if you do have um Matt I see you're not going to be able to make that that's totally fine, um you can give us async feedback or ideas whatever in the channel.

E

There's a project management Channel, which will be a link to last.

E

Week but it's just project Dash manager, so yeah pretty easy, peasy or if you want to just pop in and see what we're talking about. That's also completely valid and open to anybody. Any questions on any of that stuff that we have just talked about.

E

Well, here's Matt adding one more thing: it's.

C

Totally fine, it wouldn't take very long, so um so I've been I. Think maybe last time I had put, or maybe put it out there for folks that were putting together an education slide, deck yeah, that's the one um to really help people particularly say, as we have these Regional chapters or for folks that are new to open source, and this was kind of this high level overview that I had put together from material that I had um that just kind of talked about open source.

C

Broadly so the the if you scroll down and again it was very it's very corporately focused just because that's kind of where I have learned about open source, so I kind of lean. That way, and then the idea was like in starting on slide. 31 was to kind of talk about how you, as an individual, might be able to to join a project like you know what um what you could do, not just what is open source. What was the landscape look like, which is the first 29 slides? But okay?

C

So now you kind of understand the landscape, and you want to join a project. You know here here are a couple things you could do. I started writing this and it I just I had a really hard time like thinking through it um just because like if you wanted to join I. Think maybe one of the. If you want to join the chaos project versus, say, kubernetes like it's just so different and I was particularly looking at a lot of the documents.

C

I think that Don has shared about like how you join join, kubernetes and ways to think about it. So, like it just felt really odd to just pick one random project and talk about how to join and I didn't want to do the chaos project because at some point I think we're going to have a slide deck, which is like okay.

C

How do you join the chaos project, which is very specific and and unique to us, so I I, don't know I'm a little stuck here and I could use a little bit of, and maybe it's not joining a project. Maybe it's something else. We say here, but I'm I'm a little stuck on what to talk about here. Yeah Ruth.

D

Yes, first I was going to say just join the project right, but um so how I I think when I give talks, how I usually approach this section, because I also do not want to point people like this is a project that you should join right.

D

um So why is you is I kind of give pointers to how I pick a project to participate in right um and to me when I started, open source, I uh I stay with projects that were, you know, aligned to my programming, language, stuff, python um and stay with the known foundation and even chaos right so usually I point them to thinking about um projects that align with their interests right, maybe what's what's particular field they are in in the technology. They are they're working with and yeah a couple of like GitHub.

D

Has this way you can search for projects related to your staff, your programming language, all that stuff, um um so so pointing them to doing like a reflection on what kind of projects they want to contribute to And Then, There, Are Places to find projects as well.

D

um You know into a platform their like first contributions or IU they're, like a couple of websites that I can share that people can find projects that they want to contribute to, but then I think also there's also the hard part of what you actually do when you join this project, because I think that's where you know which which I do agree with you like different communities, have um how they.

D

You know some communities do not do regular meeting some just communicate, async right so um at least out a couple of ways that I've seen projects do it like I know. Generally, a lot of projects have meetings.

D

um They have communication channels during the communication Channel if they have a new Commerce, Channel Try, to introduce yourself and say hi um when, when you join the channel, um try to join the meetings. Also like contribute to the conversation keep reading about the project like do your own research. Basically, um maybe that do your own research can go in in a bit of when you're trying to find what projects actually join. So that's kind of like how I approach this particular purpose. It's really tricky.

D

um Yes, I agree because you know first different projects, activity attention to these things and individually. We have our own preferences of how we want to engage with projects.

C

This is uh amazing, so thank you for that and, as you I agree with everything you're saying- and it was really helpful for me. So thanks for that guidance um and then I was also thinking. Please tell me that you have some slides on this. I can just use.

C

uh Just repurpose for this slide deck. That would be amazing.

C

And if you do, we don't have to do it now, but if you do, can you just send them to me in slack or something like that.

D

Yeah- and maybe you have some free time so I can jump on this one and just at least there something yeah.

C

That'd, be great, I mean it's just starting on 31. You know slide 31 right here and the template. The slide templates that I have here. You do whatever you want. That was just me copying the template order from the prior 29 slides, so.

D

C

Particular reason I have the empty slides in this order.

D

C

Well, thanks Ruth, that was great and thanks Anita for the comments as well.

C

Okay, that was it. Thank you for me. Awesome.

E

E

So we have 12 minutes left anything. Any final comments, questions concerns about anything.

B

uh Just that um I'm still working on the Moodle stuff I didn't make any progress in the last week had a busy week. So I'll show some things next time.

E

No worries no worries about that. Sean.

B

Letting you know I, remember it. uh It's on my list.

C

On the agenda, facilitator, Sean, yeah.

B

There we go, that's what I'll do.

D

E

Slightly happy I.

D

E

Emoji I'm just slightly happy I'm super happy about that. Okay, awesome! Thank you. Sean.

B

E

Think that's it! For today you get 10 minutes. Yay have a great rest of your day. Everybody thanks for coming thanks, Kingsley.

B

E

Your demo, that.

B

Was amazing, thank you, everyone. Thank you, bye-bye. Thank you.

B

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