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From YouTube: CHAOSS DEI Working Group September 28, 2022
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A
Insert
the
recording
and
I'm
also
going
to
start
the
live
transcript,
so
it's
great
to
have
everybody
here,
it's
great
to
see
some
new
people
Nikki.
How
are
you
it's
great
to
have
you
here.
A
So
yeah
Kevin,
thanks
for
inviting
Nikki,
totally
agreed
very,
very
well.
A
All
right,
so
a
couple
things
we
have
an
agenda
here
and
a
few
things
that
we'd
like
to
just
take
a
look
at
today
is
one
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
is
Dei
event.
Badging,
and
let
me
let
me
bring
something
up
here
really
fast.
A
So
the
badging
that
we
do
one
of
the
requests
that
has
come
on.
So
this
is
the
the
number
of
events
that
have
gone
through
the
open
review
process
and
for
those
of
you
that
aren't
familiar
with
this,
you
can
take
a
look
at
the
issue
that
is
an
open
and
transparent
review
process
for
Dei
event,
badging.
A
One
of
the
things
that
we
do
is
we
list
all
of
the
events
that
we
have
badged
over
the
years
and
there
was
a
request
to
make
this
information
available,
not
just
via
the
GitHub
markdown
page,
but
also
potentially
like
as
a
as
a
Json
that
could
be
consumed.
Programmatically,
so
I
don't
know
what
people
I
you
know
to
me.
That
seems
like
a
very
reasonable
request.
This
is
open
and
transparent
information
anyway,
and
just
the
way
that
we
provided
in
a
couple
different
forms
seems
absolutely
no
problem.
A
So
the
thought
was
we
had
a
badging
meeting
earlier
today
and
the
thought
was
there's
a
an
event
that
we
have
when
the
badging
process
is
over.
So
it's
just
typing.
You
know
for
the
the
coordinators
they
just
type
a
slash
end
and
that
kind
of
closes
out
the
review
process
and
awards
the
badge
and
gets
it
assigned
to
this
page
here
that
that
process,
the
slash
n,
could
also
could
also
just
write
to
a
Json
file.
So
the
the
request
here
is
Let
Me
Wait.
For
this
thing
to
go
away.
A
The
request
here
is
that
we
could
use
some
some
help.
Some
volunteers
and
Enoch
has
been
the
one
that's
been
doing
a
lot
of
the
badging
work
at
the
moment.
So,
if
you'd
have
an
interest
in
helping
Enoch
in
this
effort,
just
to
kind
of
close
out
at
that
end
of
the
review
process
and
then
make
a
Json
available
for
for
use,
that
would
be
great
and
if
not
we'll,
just
also
just
talk
to
to
Enoch
about
kind
of
moving.
This
forward.
A
I
think
it's
also
on
his
his
map
on
things
to
do
so,
you
can
reach
out
to
Enoch
directly
on
on
slack
or
in
any
of
these.
These
meetings
he's
super
available,
so
there
you
go
any
questions
on
that
kind
of
what
what
we're
trying
to
do.
There
just
take
that
list
and
provide
it,
provide
it
in
a
different
form,
all
right.
A
The
next
thing
this
came
from
Elizabeth,
so
I'll
just
kind
of
read
it,
but
you
can
also
read
it
so
just
a
new
newcomer,
onboarding
checklist
and
what
it
feels
like
is
is
providing
this
markdown
file,
where
people
can
kind
of
just
have
this
in
their
repository
in
their
own
repositories,
and
just
you
know,
just
kind
of
set
up
like
what
what
have
I
done
to
help
or
to
to
join
the
chaos
project
and
just
kind
of
I.
A
Think
it's
a
nice
idea
just
pointing
people
to
a
few
things
that
they
can
do
to
help
lower
those
barriers
to
entry.
So
it
sounds
like
this
would
be
a
again
a
file
that,
like
I,
would
put
in
my
own
repository
or
Amy.
You
would
put
in
your
own
repository
and
just
a
checklist
that
you
could
track
when,
when
you're
a
newcomer
to
to
the
chaos
project,
does
everybody
read
that
the
same
way
that
I
did
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
talk
to
Elizabeth
about
this?
D
A
E
Yeah
the
thing
with
the
newcomers:
this
might
not
suggest
that
there
are
people
who
have
familiar
with
it
and
if
you
see
in
some
cases,
I
know
it's
common
this
day.
Maybe
you
should
not
just
assume
it
for
granted.
Some
people
might
not
even
know
how
to
get
clone
or
get
or,
but
they
want
to
contribute.
That's
why
they
are
coming
together.
Acquaintance,
okay,
yeah
so
might
be
a
they
can
I
mean
we
are.
E
We
have
a
lot
of
programs
like
what
route
is
organizing
for
the
newcomers,
and
things
like
that
people
could
identify
first
of
all,
if
they're
really
like
entry
level
into
open
source,
if
they
have
never
used
git,
then
it's
a
good
idea
to
always
keep
track
or
an
actual
onboarding,
and
that's
what
onboarding
should
be.
They
should
start
the
first
session
with
making
sure
everybody
knows
what,
where
the
repositories
are,
how
to
clone
them.
Okay,
I
think
we
have
yeah.
We
can
just
make
a
paper
tutorial
and
put
it
to
people's
disposal.
E
There
are
tons
of
those
I
think
even
in
GitHub
in
git
page
where
people
can
now,
then,
when
we
have
that
we
cannot
assume
at
least
they
can
have
the
Hands-On
to
create
repositories
and
start
doing
this
kind
of
Hands-On
work.
But
it's
a
good
idea
to
me
to
to
keep
track
of
things.
That
I
mean
it's
a
kind
of
discipline
to
keep
them
going
and
understand
the
activities
around
us.
F
Yeah
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
GitHub
would
be
maybe
the
right
place
for
something
like
this
kind
of
documentation.
Just
because,
if
you
think
about
there's
two
things
that
come
to
mind
for
me
is
like
you
know
the
audience
of
the
kinds
of
people
who
will
be
on
GitHub,
there's
many
different
ways
that
you
can
contribute
to
chaos,
and
not
all
those
ways
that
you
can
contribute
will
be
on
GitHub.
F
So
it
might
be
like
a
self-selected
group
of
people
who
would
see
this,
whether
it's
on
the
maintain
the
maintenance
side
or
the
the
newcomer
side,
okay
and
then
the
other
piece
was
yeah
I'm,
just
wondering
if
maybe
the
website
would
be
a
better
like
somewhere,
that's
a
little
more
visible.
F
That
would
be
helpful
for
both
newcomers
to
get
an
idea
of
what
might
be
expected
of
both
of
them
or
ways
they
can
get
onboarded
into
the
community,
but
also
for
the
the
main,
like
the
maintainers
or
the
active
folks
in
the
working
groups,
to
help
share
that
information
and
kind
of
help
them
follow
those
things
when
they're
working
with
a
newcomer
as
well.
Okay,.
A
All
right,
so
the
lat
was
the
last
Point
Justin
to
maybe
provide
this
document
to
folks
like
Elizabeth
and
I
know.
Ruth
does
a
lot
of
onboarding.
You
know
and
around
the
newcomer.
F
Yeah-
and
there
might
be
a
way
that
we
could
generalize
this
across
working
groups
as
well.
Instead
of
having
to
have
every
working
group
Define
their
own
guidelines,
we
could
try
to
have
a
project
wide
guidelines
which
might
make
it
also
easier
to
maintain
on
the
website
that
we
just
have
one
set
of
guidelines
to
maintain
instead
of
five
or
six
for
every
different
working
group.
Okay,.
C
Thanks
Kevin.
G
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
that
comment
by
saying
we
do.
We
do
actually
have
space
on
the
website
here
on
the
newcomer
participation
page
where
a
document
like
that
would
work
out
perfectly.
G
G
Yes,
yeah
on
the
the
newcomer
participation
page,
which
is
the
basically
the
the
knowledge
base
for
newcomers.
Okay,.
C
C
A
Great.
Thank
you.
Everybody
any
other
comments
from
people
on
this
okay,
so
it
sounds
like
the
overall
reaction
is
positive.
It's
just
about
how
to
present
it
to
the
community.
Great
okay,
cool
I'll
share
that
with
Elizabeth
all
right.
So
we'll
move
on
to
our
next
item,
which
is
the
interview
campaign,
update
and
Anita.
You
are
here
so
I
know.
A
You've
talked
about
this
a
few
times
but
and
I
think
Nikki,
I
think
you're
kind
of
joining
to
help
take
a
look
at
this
as
well,
if
I,
understood
or
you're
joining
in
general.
You
are
always
welcome.
However,
I
understood
that
this
was
something
that
was
talked
about.
Yes,.
B
I
think
that
and
the
the
all-in
issues
number
24,
both
okay.
A
Great
fantastic
all
right!
Well,
so
then,
why
don't
we
just
start
with
the
interview
campaign
update
I'll,
just
Anita
before
I
I?
Have
you
talk?
I'll
just
tell
everybody.
We
are
running
the
questions
through
the
university
IRB,
so
just
from
an
Ethics
check,
so
we're
kind
of
still
in
the
process
of
that
it's
been
submitted.
It's
under
review
and
for
those
of
you
that
have
been
involved
in
University
IRB
processes.
It
can
take
a
little
while
not
terribly
a
lot
but
we're
gonna.
A
A
So
it's
a
so
it's
a
review
board
here
at
the
University
institutional
review
board.
That
takes
a
look
at
how
you're
conducting
research
to
ensure
ethical
considerations
are
attended
to
on
the
research
so,
for
example,
that
you're
attaining
obtaining
consent
when
people
are
participating
in
in
the
study
that
you
have
to
ensure
that
you're
properly
handling
the
data
once
it's
collected.
So
it's
really
just
an
evaluation
of
of
a
research
process
to
ensure
that
it's
done
well
Sean.
Do
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that.
D
Yeah
I
mean
it's
entirely.
Human
subjects
focused
so
Do
no
harm
to
humans
is
is
the
principle
and
make
sure
that
if
you're
asking
them
to
participate
their
incentives
can
their
consent
is
informed,
and
you
know
if
you
follow
that
I
mean
it's
really
just
a
reasonable
check
on.
Are
you
doing
things
appropriately.
A
C
H
H
The
primary
aim
is
to
measure
how
inclusive
metrics
that
we
currently
have
and
how
the
underpresented
groups
can
relate
to
these
metrics
in
reward
circumstances,
and
we
also
want
to
like
measure
how
this
in
this
metrics
have
impacted
their
performance
and
participation
in
open
source
and
according
to
the
difference
and
the
differences.
Basically.
So
we
want
to
use
this
as
a
means
to
improve
on
our
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion,
metrics,
and
also
like
capture
other
metrics.
H
So
I
think
you
can
go
to
the
next
document
now.
A
C
A
H
Yeah
so
I
for
the
interview
we
want
to
first
of
all
get
and
the
data
of
people
that
have
actually
participated
in
open
source
and
get
their
thoughts
and
then
streamline
this.
H
This
data
that
we
get
down
to
a
few
individuals
that
we
can
have
that
are
willing
to
tell
us,
on
a
personal
note
how
these
Dei
metrics
affects
them
or
have
not
affected
them
in
any
way
and
I'm
sure
we've
done
the
survey
questions,
and
this
is
the
interview
guide
that
we're
going
to
be
following
to
achieve
these
interview
processes
and
so
far
we've
gone
to
the
point
where
we're,
through
with
the
survey,
questions
and
currently
awaiting
the
IRB
process,
and
that
is
how
far
we've
gone
with
the
the
survey
plan
so
far.
A
E
H
H
Well,
yeah,
so
if
you
also,
these
are
the
questions
that
we've
come
up
with
and
we've
reviewed
it
to
the
points
that
I
didn't
see.
Any
other
suggestions,
so
I
went
ahead
to
curate,
but
if
there
are
still
any
suggestions
at
this
point,
I'll
definitely
go
back
and
update
the
the
survey
form.
So
you
can
also
go
through
these
documents.
H
If
you
have
any
other
questions
that
you
believe
should
be
included
in
here
or
in
the
entire
interview
process
at
all,
if
there's
any
steps
that
were
missed
out
that
are
really
relevant
to
this
survey
as
well,
foreign.
A
Thanks
for
all
the
work,
Nikki.
B
B
When
we
talk
about
under
representation,
we
talk
about
class
or
socioeconomic
status
or
whether
AKA,
whether
or
not
you're
a
person
who
has
internet
and
computer
at
home
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
a
reason-
that's
not
here
and
then
and
related
to
that,
like
when,
typically
when,
we
think
about
doing
when
I
thought
about
doing
surveys
globally,
I
think
about
things
like
cast
or
other
Regional
factors
that
will
that
would
mean
would
make
someone
underrepresented,
I
mean
I,
mostly
work
in
a
U.S
context
right.
B
So
this
for
me
tracks
with
like
a
US
focused
survey,
which
is
totally
fine,
but
I
noticed
that
on
Race
too,
like
there's
a
difference
for
me
between
whether
or
not
someone
is
black,
which
would
make
them
over
presented
in
an
African
context
or
black
American,
which
would
make
them
underrepresented.
H
Okay
well
for
sorry,.
H
The
unrepresented
groups
we
basically
said
to
set
up
for
the
most
constantly
highlighted
on
their
presented
groups
in
the
open
source
space,
because
we
didn't
want
to
bring
up
in
groups
that
so
many
persons
are
not
familiar
with
and
because
that
might
just
be
out
outside
of
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
for
the
diversity
and
the
equity
and
inclusion
metrics,
which
is
why
we
highlighted
this
few
ones.
Here.
E
Yeah
and
I
think
in
the
case
concern
it's
really
legit
in
in
a
way
that
we
also
reason
broadly
and
in
in
such
a
way,
because
if
you
see
in
the
one
of
the
bullet
points
there,
we
included
the
indigenous
people.
That's
a
lot
range
of
social
stratification
system,
because
the
underrepresentedness
is
a
social
construction.
E
E
Try
to
guide
ourselves
with
the
current
state
of
the
art,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
have
the
this
thing
passed
through
the
review
board
and
since
people
will
now
look
at
it
in
a
different
from
that
that
expatri
form
and
the
feedback
they'll
give
us
will
integrated
to
polish
things
out,
as
it
is
always
done
based
on
our
objective.
But
your
point,
it
gets
very
legit
I
like
that
way
of
thinking.
Thank
you.
B
Yeah
I
don't
have
a
round
cast
since
I
I
am
such
an
americanist,
but
I
do
have
stuff
around
class
and
tying
that
separating
that
from
how
someone
might
label
themselves
as
poor
or
working
class
or
whatever
moving
to
I
have
internet
access.
I
I
can
do
this
work
from
home
like
those
things
that
are
materially
about
access,
and
so
I
can
dig
those
up.
A
B
Sorry
I
just
want
more
I
know
no
problem.
Where
is
the
appropriate
place
to
add
feedback
about
the
questions
themselves?
I
know
that
it's
already
with
IRB,
and
so
that's
tricky.
A
So
you
I
think
it
would
be
okay,
just
to
add
them
or
whichever
one
it
was
here,
just
add
them
as
comments
or
suggestions.
Here,
an
IRB
is
not
terribly
picky.
If
the
nature
of
the
survey
isn't
changing
so
like
they
understand
that
question
might
or
an
interview,
question
might
be
added
or
removed,
but
as
long
as
it
doesn't
fundamentally
change
things
they're
all
that's
okay,
yeah.
B
I
mean
that
that
talks
with
my
experience
too,
and
so
so
my
my
comments
on
the
Quant,
like
on
the
survey
link
I'll
just
put
here
in
group.
One,
is
that
right,
yeah.
B
C
Be
perfect,
Justin.
C
F
One
thing
that
I
was
I
was
wondering
is
just
knowing
that
we
we
do
have
that
survey
where
we're
asking
a
lot
of
these
demographic
questions
already
and
I'm,
just
trying
to
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
necessarily
doing
an
overlap
or
duplicating
efforts
across
the
surveys
or
making
sure
that.
Would
it
help
that
or
how
do
we
Define
like
a
clear
outcome
or
goals
that
we
want
to
achieve?
By
doing
this
survey,
foreign.
A
Justin's
point
is:
we
do
have
a
current
survey
out
right
now,
which
is
out
really
out
to
all
chaos,
members
about
the
the
community
itself
kind
of
a
reflection
on
how
well
we're
doing
with
centering
Dei,
really
across
the
project
as
a
whole,
and
this
one.
The
work
that
that
Anita
is
doing
is,
is
really
trying
to
focus
in
on
the
Dei
metrics
that
we
have
within
the
chaos
project
and
understand
how
those
metrics
are
are
useful
in
in
the
world.
And
so
Justin
is
your.
A
Is
your
question
about,
like
the
the
overlap
of
of
what
we
ask
demographic
wise
between
these
two?
Is
that.
F
Yeah
I
guess
that's
just
my
concern
is
whether
we're
collecting
data
that
we
necessarily
have
to
collect
and
especially
happening
out
how
we're
going
to
store
that
and
share
that
what
I
understood
from
the
original
proposal
was.
It
was
really
focused
on
understanding
how
people
interpret
the
Dei
metrics
that
we've
created
and
trying
to
understand
ways
that
we
might
be
missing
some
things
in
our
metrics
or
ways
that
we
could
improve
our
existing
metrics.
F
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
might
be
adding
a
layer
of
complexity
with
this
data
collection
piece
around
people's
identity,
their
demographic
information,
like
maybe
there's
a
useful
tie-in
to
connect
those
the
the
demographic
data
to
the
responses
that
people
share
about
the
metrics,
but
I'm
I'm
wondering
if
that
might
add
more
complexity
than
we
we
need
to
for
this.
For
these
interviews.
E
Okay:
okay,
that's
an
interesting
concern.
Yeah!
We
are
adding
this
complexity
because
we
don't
just
want
to
be
very
specific.
We
want
something
that
we
could
deal
in
a
kind
of
generalized
view
in
open
source.
You
see
things
cures
by
Nature,
it's
on
analyzing
the
health
and
the
analytics
of
Open
Source
projects.
E
So
the
more
data
we
have
with
this
complexity,
then
we
have
some
kind
of
representativeness
and
we
want
to
stretch
also
this
this
work.
So
we
could
have
empirical
evidence
in
this
topic
that
is
also
not
well
covered.
There
are
a
lot
of
of
things
that
are
going
on
right
now.
People
are
still
asking
a
lot
of
questions
and
hearing.
F
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
that.
That's
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
our
existing
demographic
survey
that
we
have
launched
now
or
if
we
want
to
fold
that
piece
into
this
survey
as
well
around
the
data
collection
piece,
because
I'm
also
wondering
now
it's
like
well
I,
think
we
have
to
consider
who
has
access
to
this
kind
of
data.
If
we're
going
to
collect
this
very
personal
information.
D
From
the
way
that
my
IRB
would
work,
is
it
typically
works,
as
as
the
like
I
would
be,
or
somebody
like
Matt
would
be.
The
person
who
quote
unquote
collects
the
data
and
then
for
analysis.
We
would
be
responsible
for
de-identifying
it
with
people
outside
of
our
organization
access
it.
So
the
IRB
also
makes
us
responsible
for
the
management
of
the
data
in
a
way
that
protects
people.
E
Yeah
and
I
think
from
what
Sofia,
Elizabeth
and
many
others
have
contributed
in
the
past
when
we
apply
double
blind,
so
only
one
person
like
Elizabeth
will
have
the
original
script.
Then
they'll
try
to
apply
double
blind
on
each
participant.
So
during
analysis
you
just
be
seeing
like
example,
P1
T1
M1,
you
don't
know
who
that
person
is
and
some
sensitive
information
that
can
uncover
a
particular
acronym
P1.
E
D
Way
that
so
the
way
we
had
it,
I
analyzed
some
survey,
data
from
the
Linux
Foundation
from
Summer
2021,
and
even
with
like
2500
responses,
we
still
didn't
have
enough
data
of
people
who
were
not
white
male
to
to
protect
all
of
their
identities.
So
we
ended
up
blending
groups
together
so
that
we
could
talk
about
about
underrepresented
groups,
but
in
a
way
that
didn't
identify
specific
people
in
very
small
underrepresented
groups.
There
are
a
lot
of
statistical
challenges
associated
with
making
sure
you
have
a
a
I
guess
approved.
D
F
E
Yes
and
I
think
that
is
the
original
plan.
I
think
Anita
is
aware
of
that,
and
she
has
taken
that
into
consideration
too,
because
we
discussed
this
in
one
of
the.
If
you
read
the
doc,
we
mentioned
that
somewhere,
because
you
can
start
with
a
very
sensitive
question
and
somebody
becomes
uncomfortable
and
that's
the
end
of
it,
and
since
it's
open-ended
most
of
the
things
will
emerge
from
what
they
are
saying.
You
you
drive
it
at
the
end.
You
you,
the
person
doing
the
interview,
so
he
tries
to
read
within
the
line.
E
G
So
the
the
purpose-
the
purpose
of
the
this
overall
survey,
is
to
kind
of
member
check
our
met.
Our
current
Dei
metrics
did
I
hear
that
right
is
that
accurate.
H
The
purpose
is
to
we
don't
want
to
capture
the
the
Dei
metrics
for
people
in
chaos,
but
then
people's
outside
chaos
that
are
also
that
can
also
be
impacted
or
affected
by
our
metrics,
because
chaos
metrics
are
not
just
for
the
chaos
Community,
but
the
entire
open
source
at
large.
So
this
is
the
eye.
Metrics
are
for
every
other
person
in
an
open
source
community
that
might
have
come
across
a
particular
situation
that
our
metrics
either
helped
or
a
metric
would
actually
have
helped
to
tackle
that
particular
scenario
or
that
particular
situation.
G
Okay,
so
basically
you
want
to
you
want
to
take
the
the
metrics
that
Dei
has
has
already
kind
of
defined,
and
you
want
to
present
them
to
people
outside
of
our
community
and
ask
them
what
they
think
about
them.
G
Okay
and
then,
regarding
the
so
the
how
are
how
how
do
we
plan
to
present
this
information
back
to
chaos,
so
I
would
assume
that
the
goal
would
be
to
kind
of
add
some
validity
to
our
metrics
and
maybe
look
for
possible
places
where
we
need
to
change.
Would
that
be
accurate.
H
Yes,
so
when
we
get
all
of
this,
we
are
going
to
go
over
the
data
and
review
it
and
then
get
back
the
feedback
from
the
participants
I
from
the
one-on-one
course,
especially
that's
the
one.
We're
going
to
be
focusing
our
attention
on
so
we're
going
to
create
that
into
the
report
and
then
bring
it
back
to
the
Curious
Community,
where
we
review
this
outcomes
of
the
survey.
C
A
Thank
you.
This
is
a
really
great
conversation,
Anita
and
Armstrong.
I
hope
this
is
helpful.
No
every
time
we
have
a
conversation,
yeah.
E
Yeah
I
mean
from
the
multiple
perspectives
that
people
are
looking
at
things,
it's
very
helpful
and
it's
an
inclusive
study
as
well
for
from
from
what
Anita's
has
been
doing,
you
know
and
the
feedbacks
we
are
gathering
it's
Shifting
the
way
you
know
we
will
collect
more
input
and
then
analyze
it
as
well
and
I.
Think
many
more
people
have
shown
interest.
Also
in
the
analysis,
please.
C
A
Okay,
well,
as
always,
thank
you
for
for
this
work
and
I
think
we're
really
getting
close
to
starting
to
talk
to
people.
So
that's
great
I'm
gonna.
Does
anybody
else?
Have
any
other
comments
on
on
this
I'll
just
move
to
the
last
item.
As
for
getting
close
on
time,
a
few
things
in
the
chat,
yep
I
think
there's
General
agreement
about
that
move
to
the
end
and
a
great
work
from
Justin.
So
we
work
all
right
so
as
far
as
new
metrics
go.
A
So
there
are
a
couple
new
metrics
that
we
are
working
on
within
the
Dei
working
group
and
I'll
just
bring
this
up.
It's
these
two
right
here,
so
defining
how
we
think
about
newcomer
experience
as
well
as
recognizing
contributions.
A
So
these
are
currently
I'm.
We
worked
on
them.
It
was
a
couple
weeks
ago,
as
a
group
and
I
think
I
have
enough
feedback
kind
of
like
what
we
just
did
with
the
survey.
You
know
what
I
mean
so
like
we
collected
feedback
on
these
I
think
they're
good
to
go
so
one
of
them
is
now
in
a
PR
and
basically
I'm,
just
following
the
process
to
get
them
released
for
Community
review.
That's
all
I
really
needed
to
say.
So.
A
If
you
want
to
take
a
look
at
these
metrics
in
more
detail
or
provide
feedback
on
them,
I'll
have
the
issues
opened
really
really
soon.
One
issue
is
already
open,
so
you
can
take
a
look
here,
and
so
this
is,
you
know
about
the
creation
of
a
new
metric
called
newcomer.
Experience
feel
free
to
take
a
look
like
I
said:
I
just
have
a
few
little
little
things
that
I
have
to
do
to
kind
of
wrap
this
up
and
get
it
out
for
full
community
review.
C
A
Plan
to
have
that
done
in
the
next
couple
days
and
these
metrics
are
related
to
to
our
efforts
to
to
consider
Dei
project
Dei
recognition.
Badging
may
not
be
the
right
word
here
so
as
we
as
we
have
had
a
lot
of
success
with
event
badging,
which
I'm
happy
to
call
badging.
You
know
we're
kind
of
doing
that
in
an
open
and
transparent
process.
As
we
know,
projects
create
a
whole
nother
issue
of
scale
that
events
do
not
create.
A
They
also
create
a
whole
other
issue
of
time-boundedness
that
events
do
not
have
as
well,
because
if
an
event
occurs
over
two
years,
we
ask
them
to
go
through
the
review
process
two
different
times,
so
there
are
just
a
whole
lot
of
things
that
we're
thinking
about
with
respect
to
project
recognition
and
I.
Just
a
couple
weeks
ago
too,
we
had
done
a
bit
of
a
you
know,
kind
of
a
think
out
loud
process
and
that's
down
in
here.
So
you
know
what
are
we
trying
to
accomplish?
A
You
can
just
scroll
down
in
the
minutes,
but
what
are
we
trying
to
accomplish
with
with
such
a
program?
What
would
be
the
future
goals
of
a
program,
and
what
would
you
think
in
this
case?
We
just
called
it
a
batch,
but
it
might
just
be
recognition.
What
do
we
think
that
such
a
recognition
would
signal
so
we've
had
this
open
and
there's
a
we're
starting
to
have
this
conversation
in
all
in
so
you
can
click
on
that
as
well,
and
particularly
it's.
A
A
So
this
is
still
very
much
in
progress
because
we
are
balancing.
You
know
part
automation,
part
a
suggestion
to
include
a
dei.md
file
in
repositories
that
are
that
would
like
to
Signal
their
efforts
in
centering
Dei
in
the
projects
that
they
do
we're
balancing
that
against
the
kind
of
an
inability
to
do
peer
review,
because
that's
not
something
we
can
do
at
scale,
so
they're
just
they're
kind
of
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
here,
and
so
our
focus
is
at
least
as
we
move
forward
with
this
program
is
to
to
do
it
right.
A
So
you
know
I,
don't
know
if
people
have
comments,
I,
just
I
guess.
The
point
here
is
that
we're
continuing
to
talk
with
Demetrius
we're
continuing
to
talk
with
the
all-in
project
and
Folks
at
GitHub
as
to
how
we
can
think
about
this
project
as
being
meaningful
for
communities
that
would
like
to
to
Signal
their
efforts
around
pei
and
centering
Dei
and
the
work
that
they
do
so
I'll
just
stop
there
and
see.
If
anybody
has
comments.
C
B
B
Don't
imagine
that
chaos
has
the
ability
to
tell
GitHub
not
to
do
this,
and
so
for
me
it
feels
like
an
approach
of
harm
reduction
rather
than
you
know,
because
I,
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
in
conversation
around
this
you
know,
I,
think
with
Kevin
at
the
conference
was
that
what
this
allows
projects
to
do
is
signal
safety
and
signal,
wokeness
and
sort
of
bring
people
in
and
then
behave
differently
right,
and
so
it's
like
how
can
we
help
projects?
B
My
dog
is
also
very
upset
about
this.
How
can
we
help
move
towards
these
sorts
of
recognitions
without,
like
for
lack
of
a
better
word
sort
of
tricking
people
into
thinking
of
the
community
is
agreed
yep.
You
know,
because
if
I
go
into
a
project
and
I,
don't
know
anybody
and
I
see
a
Dei
page.
B
That's
got
words
that
that
I
hear
in
queer
trans
communities,
I'm
gonna
think
that
they're
a
queer
and
trans
people
there
gotcha
only
to
maybe
be
Bamboozled
and
find
that
those
people
aren't
there
and
that
I'm
the
only
one
of
of
X
demographic
and
so
yeah.
So
for
me,
it's
like
you,
know,
I'm
always
glad
the
Dei
is
being
talked
about
and
I'm
like.
How
can
we
make
this
as
harmless
as
possible?
Yep.
A
So
I
I
hear
you
so
like
I
I,
think
the
the
hope
behind
something
like
this
is
to
help
projects
think
about
how
to
center
Dei
in
the
work
that
they're
doing
so,
if
we're
asking
them
to
talk
about
how
they
attend
to
newcomer
experience
or
how
they
attend
to
recognizing
whatever
it
might
be,
we're
trying
to
to
to
ask
projects
to
think
about
these
things
and
articulate
them
for
their
Community,
which
is
a
positive
thing,
I
think
at
least
just
like
you
need
to
think
about
it.
A
You
need
to
tell
us
what
you're,
what
you're
doing,
but
that
doesn't
remove
what
you're
talking
about
as
well.
So
it's
this
it's,
this
balance
of
like
we're,
trying
to
help
projects
be
better
at
centering
Dei
in
the
work
that
they're
doing.
A
But
it's
so
I'm
not
sure
where
that,
where
that
overlap
is
between
helping
projects
be
better
at
this
without
causing
harm
as
as
you're
talking
about
I,
don't
know
where,
where
that,
where
those
overlap
with
one
another-
and
it's
it's
just
not
clear
to
me
sometimes
and
that's
when
we're
talking
about
trying
to
do
this
right,
is
trying
to
find
that
spot
where
we
are
helping
projects.
A
C
There
is
necessarily
try
to
indicate
that
there
are
certain
populations
in
the
project.
I
think
this
is
more
of
a
here's.
What
we're
doing
in
order
to
make
this
more
welcoming
and
giving
in
sort
of
somebody
says:
I'm
joining
and
I
am
part
of
one
of
these
communities
and
they
can
give
input
and
then
a
conversation
can
start
about
how
they
can
make
it
more
inclusive
or
what
needs
to
be
done.
C
B
Yeah
for
sure,
I
think
I
think
one
of
the
things
that,
like
I
I,
that
point
is
while
taking
Katie
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
I'm
trying
to
communicate
is
that
when
you're
part
of
a
marginalized
Community,
there
are
certain
words
that
that
are
in
community
that
often
get
appropriated.
And
so
that's
signal
presence
right.
B
I,
certainly
don't
assume
that,
because
a
community
has
certain
language
that
certain
people
are
present,
but
it
signals
to
me
that
that
someone
within
group
knowledge
participated
in
the
in
the
creation
of
that
right,
and
so
it
signals
I'm,
not
saying
it
explicitly
communicates,
but
it
tastically
signals
a
sort
of
like
safety
or
welcoming
that
might
not
be
present
when
something
is
templated
and
rolled
out
like
GitHub
wide
in
this
way
and
so
right.
So
it's
just
about
harm
reduction.
E
Yeah
I
think
in
if
we,
when
we
are
looking
into
Data,
because
this
happens
a
lot
in
information
Circle,
there
is
a
difference
when
we
are
treating
data
and
when
you
are
treating
a
person
you
treat
them
different
and
when
we
have
a
matrix,
if
those
metrics
have
good
representation.
E
Now
those
informations
that
comes
out
like
like
some
form
of
can
I
say
finding
all
the
outcomes.
They
are
a
kind
of
facts
that
we
obtain
from
these
from
those
data
without
necessarily
throwing
our
individual
biases.
It's
not
like
yours
is
saying
to
get
up
what
you
are
doing.
It's
right.
It's
wrong.
We
are
saying
that
the
data
suggests
we
could
improve
these
things
and
we
as
ourselves
as
a
community.
We
don't
have
a
product
with
a
brand
name
that
we
are
selling.
E
We
are
to
about
analyzing,
and
that
is
the
main
reason
that
I
sometimes
suggest
we
look
into
Data
search
from
different
organizations,
for
example
openstack
data,
the
the
tensorflow
data,
many
other
organizations,
so
that
our
analysis
should
be
holistic
and
be
complete
in
that
aspect
of
making
some
kind
of
Analytics.
E
Now
it's
true
that
correlation
is
not
causation
and
we
admit
that
in
most
of
our
hiring,
so
we
are
only
suggesting
some
ways
of
how
people
could
use
our
metrics
adapted
in
their
context,
to
make
some
findings
and
if
you
look
into
GitHub
I
think
this
year,
early
this
year,
couple
of
works
were
performed
by
some
early
researchers,
I
think
some
PhD
students
I,
saw
the
work
and
GitHub
itself
acknowledge
and
thank
and
I
think
they
even
remunerate
her
financially.
E
A
So
I
I
do
have
to
to
start
this
conversation
only
because
we're
at
a
time.
These
are
really
points
really
well
taken.
So
if
you
need
to
drop,
no
I
totally
understand
Nikki.
If
you
could
hold
on
to
I,
have
like
a
follow-up
question
that
I
just
would
really
like
to
ask
again
so
I
just
want
to.
Let
people
know
that
that
I'm
going
to
stop
the
recording
you.