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A
A
Okay,
so
hi
everybody
welcome
to
january
6
2021
the
dni
recruit
meeting.
A
So
if
you
could,
please
add
yourself
to
the
list,
tell
us
how
you're
doing
today
elizabeth
you
want
to
go
through
people
and
like
in
the
other
meetings.
We've
been
just
saying
how
we've
been
feeling
like
because
we're
all
back.
You
know.
B
C
Oh
man,
I
should
stop
coming
to
the
meeting
so
early,
I'm
doing
just
fine.
I
I'm
enjoying
everybody
seems
to
be
enjoying
tucker
on
the
log
over
there
if
you
haven't
seen
him
yet
but
other
than
that.
Having
a
really
good
time
today,.
A
Right
on
it's
good
to
see
everybody
happy
2021.
doing
doing
pretty
well
starting
to
get
back
into
the
swing
of
things,
so
it
takes
takes
a
few
days
or
weeks,
hopefully
not
months.
B
B
G
Well,
I'm
still
in
a
green
room,
and
I
got
a
green
sweater
so
but
yeah
so
so
I
guess
a
new
decade,
it's
very
very
hard
to
change
to
zero
to
zero
and
put
a
one
there.
Although
I
the
year
itself
was
awful
but
like
it's
well
rounded,
to
zero
to
zero.
I'm
gonna
miss
that
so
how's.
Everyone
doing
all
right.
G
B
B
H
Good
morning
I
am
doing
pretty
good.
I
loved
what
you
said,
elizabeth
in
in
in
the
lineup
feeling
hopeful
liked
and
really
liking.
What's
coming
out
of
georgia
and
helpful
for
our
new
year
ahead,
so
got
a
pretty
good
night's
sleep.
We're
building
out
our
garage
at
least
the
third
car
area,
into
a
an
at-home
gym
or
workout
area,
so
feeling
feeling
helpful.
G
H
H
H
A
So
are
our
meetings,
at
least
in
the
other
chaos
working
groups.
They've
been
a
little
bit
short
as
we've
kind
of
gotten.
Our
bearings
and
kind
of
set
things
forward,
but
that's
for
this
first
week
is
what
I'm,
I
guess,
what
I'm
saying.
So
I
put
a
few
things
in
the
agenda.
A
A
But
anyway,
he
had
broken
it
down
into
a
couple
different
metrics.
So
we
can
talk
about
that
and
I
thought
it
was
a
nice
idea
in
the
dni
working
group.
We
could
also
just
take
a
look
at
issues
in
prs.
We've
done
this
in
the
past
and
just
trying
to
work
some
of
these
down.
I
think
there's
20
some
odd
standing
issues
right
now.
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
open
pr's,
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me.
A
We
could
also
take
a
look
at
that
and
try
to
reduce
that
set
just
a
little
bit
talk
through
those
and
then
the
last.
I
think
every
working
group
should
maybe
do
this.
A
little
bit
is
is
goal
setting
you
know
so
different
working
groups
have
different
things.
They're
trying
to
accomplish
all
the
working
groups,
I
think,
are
continuing
to
work
on
metrics
and
the
advancement
of
metrics.
A
A
You
know
just
kind
of
a
brainstorming
session
if
there's
things
that
are
on
people's
minds,
so
is
there
any
particular
order
that
people
want
to
work
through
this
through
this
list?
No,
not
nothing.
In
particular
all
right.
A
Anybody
want
to
add
anything
to
the
list,
but
I
might
have
it
might
not
be
on
here
all
right.
Well,
in
that
case,
let's,
let's
start
just
at
the
top
with
language
diversity,
and
I
can
share
my
screen
here.
A
So
king
had
recommended
a
couple
different
ways
that
we
could
think
about
language
diversity.
Do
we
I
I
should
have
looked,
but
do
we
have
any
metrics
right
now
dedicated
to
language
that
have
been
released?
A
D
Yeah
and
I
was
actually
thinking
more
of
the
inclusive
naming
and
divisive
language
and
everything
else
we've
been
going
through
when
this
topic
was
on
there.
So
yeah
I
mean
most
languages
I
think
used
is
english
within
the
others
translated
or
able
to
be.
You
know
selected
from
a
drop
down.
F
G
E
G
We've
seen
how
those
you
know,
people
want
and
people
try,
but
it's
it's
a
separate
thing
from
from
actually
saying
that
it's
the
communication
method
and
I
kind
of
wonder
if
we
can
explore
the
idea
of
easy
read
as
a
variant
of
given
languages
say
that
I
can't
tell
that
what
would
be
a
variant,
easy
read.
Okay,
you
know
like
this
is.
This
is
something
that
comes
out
of.
G
G
They
have
a
different
way
to
work
with
images
that
allows
them
to
communicate
a
lot
more
meaning
and
remember
that
meaning,
and
so
just
just
you
know,
I
wanted
to
bring
it
up
here
that
we
might
think
of
language
as
an
accessibility
form
and
we
can
think
of
accessibility
as
a
dis,
slash
ability
umbrella
as
opposed
to
the
leading
narrative
of
framing
it.
G
As
a
you
know,
accommodation,
but
you
know
at
the
very
least,
if
we're
gonna
talk
about
different
formats
or
language
as
opposed
to
just
written,
then
we
can
also
explore
the
idea
of
easier,
read
english
versus
plain,
read
or
plain
english.
B
Fella
would
this
be
different,
then,
then,
so
in
the
documentation,
accessibility
metric,
it
does
talk
about
a
little
bit
about
like
learning
flexibility.
It
says:
documentation
is
accessible
to
people
with
various
cognitive
approaches.
Sensory
differences
in
neurodiversity
would
that
be
then
related
to
language.
As
far
as
your
like,
I'm
just
trying
to
see
where
that
matches
up
with
what
we
have
out
there
already,
if
we
can
add
on
like
a
filter
or
or
build
on
the
one
that
we
already
have
started.
G
G
But
I
think
if
we're
thinking
mainstream
adoption,
it
matters
how
it
is
framed
and
as
far
as
accessibility
is
concerned,
unfortunately,
it
seems
to
only
matter
when
there
are
lawsuits-
and
I
I
have
like
there's
evidence
of
that
in
the
web's
history,
and
so
so
I'm
just
thinking
that
we
could
be
proactive
and,
and
we
could
kind
of
try
to
reimagine
how
we're
saying
things
in
such
a
way
that
it
becomes
yeah
it's
about
inclusivity.
G
It's
not
about
you
know
what
most
people
think
is
inclusivity,
but
those
who
you
know
count
beans
basically
say
no.
There
is
no
lawsuit.
So
why
should.
G
A
A
Least,
or
it's
going
to
be
part
of
the
next
release,
and
so-
and
I
think
this
is
amy
what
you
were
talking
about
as
well-
that
there's
already
things
in
place
that
maybe
to
elizabeth's
point
can
draw
in
what
king
has
brought
forward.
Is
that
right
without
developing
another
metric
elizabeth?
Is
that
right.
B
I
mean
based
on
based
on
the
way
we
have
defined
accessibility
in
that
I
think
that
it
fits
you
know
how
does
the
documentation
accommodate
different
users?
I
think
we
could
maybe
build
out
that
to
include
different
languages.
I
don't
know
if
that
is
something
people
will
tesala's
point.
You
know
accessibility
kind
of
has
its
own
context
around
it
that,
as
he
said,
you
know
only
only
gets
visibility
if
there's
an
issue,
so
I
don't
know
how
we
want
to
handle
that.
B
E
B
It
doesn't,
it
doesn't
touch
on
the
the
chatting,
the
actual,
like
real
time,
interaction,
the
voice.
You
know,
so
I
don't
know
what
to
do
that,
but.
A
So
do
you
have
a
at
least
a
an
approximate
path
forward?
Elizabeth
I
mean
we
don't
have
to
solve
this
now.
B
E
B
Own
thing,
I
don't
know
whatever
everybody
wants-
is
totally
cool
with
me.
A
A
A
A
With
these
two
or
captured
as
part
of
documentation,
except
think
about,
maybe
think
about
how
we
we
kind
of
fit
these,
it
feels
like
putting
puzzle.
Pieces
together
is
to
not
overload
with
just
too
many
metrics.
That
kind
of
confuse
the
issue,
but
also
I'm
doing
doing
justice
to
the
things
that
king's
trying
to
draw
forward.
Does
that
make
sense.
B
B
A
H
Oh
gotcha,
okay,
then
I'll
stop
my
I
started
to
write
under
language
diversity.
A
B
C
I'd
like
to
try
and
personally
I
want
to
do
goals
first,
because
I
feel
like
we're
more
into
that
space
right
now,
and
the
issues
in
pr's
might
take
a
long
time.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
through
goals
too.
I
had
some
things
to
talk
about
with
that,
but.
B
C
Yeah,
so
for
badging,
I
think
it
worked
really
well
that
we
with
that
we
put
together
kind
of
a,
I
think,
before
the
break.
We
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
it,
but
then
we
kind
of
solidified
more
of
these
things.
C
It
looks
like
by
lazy
consensus
of
the
group
for
the
most
part,
but
we
have
a
release
for
the
next
kind
of
badging
iteration,
the
iteration
of
badging
content
about
a
month
after
the
metrics
released
at
the
end
of
march
and
the
goals
for
the
year
2021
some
of
these
brought
up
by
the
community
and
the
other
ones
solidified
by
the
community
area.
C
We
want
to
work
on
project
badging
by
the
end
of
the
year
and
at
least
get
something
started
with
that,
so
that
we
have
project
and
event
dodging
updating
the
bots
optimizing
the
workflow.
So
we
we're
working
on
that
in
the
next
few
days,
austin
ir
for
putting
together
a
more
solid
hosting
system
for
the
bots
and
virtual
events,
as
well
as
in-person
events,
making
sure
that
the
metrics
actually
reflect
what
happens
when
it
comes
to
diversity
and
inclusion
at
those
events
or
in
in
the
future
projects
as
well.
C
We
always
take
suggestions
and
ruth
part
of
a
good
question
was:
do
we
need
a
design
perspective?
Do
we
want
someone
who
is
a
who's
kind
of
closer
to
the
ux
space
to
come
in
and
look
at
our
workflow
and
say?
How
does
this
look
as
an
applicant?
How
does
this
look
or
is
a
review,
or
things
like
that?
C
So
this
is
just
kind
of
this-
is
just
kind
of
the
rundown
of
what
we
talked
about
in
the
previous
meeting
for
badging,
and
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
have
something
like
that
for
the
diversity
and
inclusion
meeting
too,
to
just
have
kind
of
a
road
map
that
we
can
say.
This
is
what
we
want
to
get
done
this
year
and
make
keep
it
realistic.
You
know.
D
A
It's
not
full
coverage
on
all
the
metrics
right
now,
but
it
the
translations
were
done
to
kind
of
get
say
90
of
the
work
done,
and
we
need
to
probably
build
a
process
by
which
we
can
work
with
folks
who
can
do
chinese
translations
in
the
community
or
help
with
spanish
translations
for
any
minor
changes
that
we
might
have
to
a
metric.
So,
for
example,
like
what
elizabeth
brought
forward
say
with
documentation
accessibility.
A
C
That's
something
that
we
can
focus
on
in
the
next
buy
the
mattress
release,
really
that's
important
to
do
by
the
metrics
release.
Do
we
have
any
more
goals
for
the
mattress
shoelace
that
people
would
like
to
bring
up?
I
guess
other
than
really
symmetrics.
B
In
the
past,
did
we
set
specific
goals
or
have
specific
conversations
about
like
google
summer
of
code
and
what
we
want
those
students
to
do
if
we
want
to
participate?
How
that
looks?
Is
that
something
we
did
in
this
group
or
in
every
working
group
or
how
did
that?
How
did
that
roll
out.
A
A
I
think
so
and
kind
of
having
been
through
the
program
before
we
right
now.
Financially,
we
couldn't
support
an
outreachy
student
because,
I
think
it'd
say
6
500
and
our
current
bank
account
is
5500
but
kind
of
being
going
through
the
process.
Before
I
learned
that
you
can
request
to
participate
and
also
indicate
that
you
don't
have
the
money
to
support
a
student
and
or
a
mentee,
and
there
are
organizations
who
contribute
to
outreachy
to
help
support
the
communities
who
can't
financially
support
mentees
themselves.
A
So
I
think
we
should.
I
think,
that's
a
really
great
idea.
I
really
liked
the
program.
I
think
what
outreachy
does
is
amazing.
I
think
we
had
awesome
people
participating
and
even
if
we
can't
do
a
full
support,
I
think
it's
worth
worth
doing
that.
C
C
A
Yep,
so
one
of
our
goals
is
to
I
guess
it's
probably
just
a
long-term
goal
is
to
continue
continually
release
all
of
our
metrics
in
chinese
and
spanish,
at
least
for
now.
We
could
think
about
other
languages
too,
but
just
as
part
of
that
translation,
we're
going
to
need
to
build
a
process
that
we
can
continue
to
update
the
translations
and
provide
new
translations
and
I'm
kind
of
sometimes
I
kind
of
look
at
you
kevin
on
this
as
to
not
to
design
the
process.
But
what
would
be
a
process?
K
It
is,
it
is
something
I've
been
thinking
about.
It's
a
complex
issue
for
going
forward,
so.
F
I
don't
know
how
good
for
for
a
chinese
translation.
I
can't
like
think
of
an
idea
to
propose
it
to
the
china
working
group
that
they
can
look
after
that
section
if
they
have
a
volunteers
or
anything
at
least
propose
in
that
meeting
or
that.
F
A
B
K
Previously
we
had
talked
about
all
of
the
full
translations
would
be,
we
would
just
pay
to
have
them
done,
and
the
part
where
we
would
need
volunteers
was
just
in
in
maintaining
the
documents
or
editing
those
documents.
A
A
C
H
Had
a
a
question
that
I'm
not
quite
sure
where
it
fits
and
it
comes
from
more
of
an
advocacy
standpoint,
I
so
is
there
a
and
I
use
advocacy
in
terms
of
marketing,
but
I
I
a
maybe
more
of
an
organized
way
to
to
increase
visibility
of
all
of
the
great
work
that
goes
on
within
the
chaos
project,
whether
that's
through
our
social
handle
through
blogs,
through
speaking
at
the
different
virtual
events,
but
a
way,
even
if
it's
just
a
very
light
plan
that
that
we
can
to
get
together-
and
I
I'm
not
quite
sure
you
know
it-
doesn't
necessarily
fit
within
any
one
of
the
working
groups
per
se.
H
But
it
more
communicates
holistically.
What
all
of
the
you
know
what
the
chaos
project
is,
what
we
do,
what
all
of
the
different
working
groups?
I
do,
what
what
we're
accomplishing
all
of
those
different
things
and
I'm
not
quite
sure,
even
where
the
question
fits,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
it
out
there.
A
So
I
I
like
that.
I
think
what
what
you're
saying
nicole
is
like
a
even
if
it's
lightweight
at
first
something
that's
a
bit
systematic
in
terms
of
how
we
get
the
word
out.
H
A
Yeah,
do
we
have
any
people
who
have
worked
in
marketing
before.
D
A
E
Yeah,
I
currently
run
the
marketing
portion
of
the
ieee
esa,
open
instantiation,
so
if
you
guys
need
any
help
there,
I
can
definitely
help
with
that.
H
Awesome
that'd
be
that'd,
be
great
yeah
I
mean
I
it's
something
that
I've
been
thinking
about.
That
you
know
is,
I
think,
about
it.
Each
time
a
new
podcast
is
released
right
and
like
wow.
Oh,
we
should
really
have
a
concerted
effort
around.
How
do
we
drive
you
know
listeners?
How
do
we
drive
folks
to
come?
H
Listen
to
these
different
parts
because
we're
putting
out
this
great
content,
and
so
that's
when
I
typically
think
about
it,
it's,
but
it
would
be
great
to
have
a
concerted
way
or
a
systematic
way
to
to
yeah
to
to
do
this,
and
it's
it's
all
of
these
different
things
right,
but
yeah
so
anyway.
So
I
I
would
it's
something
that
I
think
that
I'd
like
to
take
a
goal
around
in
this
coming
year.
K
Thanks,
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
best
ways
to
to
get
the
chaos
name
out.
There
is
to
provide
a
kind
of
a
a
usable
version
of
the
metrics
that
are
kind
of
interesting
to
a
broad
range
of
people,
and
I
would
I
guess
I
would
kind
of
compare
what
I'm
what
I'm
thinking
about
is
kind
of
similar
to
the
like
the
openstack
diversity
report.
K
Right,
if
ever,
if
every
year,
chaos
released
a
kind
of
a
state
of
the
union
report
that
could
have
multiple
metrics,
looking
at
like
the
linux
foundation,
ecosystem,
for
example,
where
we
could
showcase
our
metrics
and
and
kind
of
say
like
this-
is
a
snapshot
of
what
open
source
looks
like
right
now
with
chaos.
Metrics.
H
Well,
as
amy
knows,
we're
really
familiar
with
that
yeah
that
stack
diversity
report
so
yeah
that
that's
a
great
that's
a
great
idea.
Thank
you
yeah!
I
did,
and
you
know,
interestingly
enough,
I
had
not.
C
A
C
A
I
I
did
want
to
put
so
in
2021,
I'm
not
sure
how
many
of
you
know
this.
This
was
brought
up
in
2020,
so
the
ford
foundation
has
provided
a
grant
to
the
essentially
to
the
chaos
project.
A
B
A
So
this
is
again.
This
is
from
the
ford
foundation
and
I
think
the
goal
is
kind
of
the.
A
A
A
Resources,
so
the
goal
would
be
to
not
only
essentially
for
like
a
word
like
produce
a
report
that
reflects
on
the
dna
practices
of
the
community,
but
then
action
towards
addressing
any
shortcuts.
It.
A
Agreed-
and
we
are
also
from
ford,
we're
responsible
for
assembling
the
team
that
will
do
the
review.
H
I
think
that's
a
I
mean
these
are
really
good
goals
to
you
know
to
to
aim,
for
you
know
they.
They
may
be
difficult,
but
gosh
they're,
they're,
certainly
worthwhile.
A
Agreed
all
right,
we
are
at
10
till
the
hour.