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From YouTube: CHAOSS DEI Working Group September 7, 2022
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A
Cloud
hi,
shabool,
hi
Anita
as
well
and
live
transcriptions.
A
A
B
Guessing
I
put
that
on
the
agenda,
because
I
was
looking
at
the
metric
spreadsheet
and
you
know
we
kind
of
have
done
this
with
things
like
event:
accessibility,
where
it's
just
kind
of
like
you're,
like
just
subjectively
answering
you
know
a
bunch
of
questions
about
the
the
nature
of
the
project,
so
I
don't
know,
I
just
thought:
I
would
throw
it
out
there
and
see
what
people
think
so.
A
Would
it
be
like,
like
one
metric,
for
example,
like
well-being,
metric
and
like
the
goal
of
the
like?
Is
that
what
you
mean
or
one
metric
well
improving
Justice.
A
B
And
like
the
the
measure,
the
thing
you're
measuring
is
maybe
the
extent
to
which
this
project
provides
societal
value
and
then
it
could
be
different
components
of
that
like
like
that's
how
we
do
kind
of
event:
accessibility,
it's
the
extent
to
which
are
you
providing
an
accessible
quote-unquote
event,
and
here
are
the
ways
that
you
can
do
that
and.
A
But
I
like
that
idea
too,
because
I,
it
would
probably
help
get
this.
What's
currently
a
focus
area
like
off
the
ground,
a
bit
like
yeah.
B
B
Yeah
I
I,
agree,
I,
think
because
I
think
it's
really
interesting
and
important
to
look
at
this,
but
also
it's
been
languishing
for
a
long
time,
because
it's
hard
and
no
you
know
we
don't
really
know
how
to
kind
of
move
these
forward.
B
A
Go
yeah
because
I
don't
think
it
matters
too
much
where
we
put
them
at
this
point.
Okay,
yeah,
that
out
of
all
of
these
it's
not
event
diversity,
it's
probably
not
governance,
it's
probably
not
leadership.
It's
probably
project
and
community
I,
like
that
idea.
B
A
A
Boy,
these
are
do
you
have
have
you
seen
anything?
These
are
hard
like
to
think
about
they're
good,
to
think
about,
but
hard
to
think
about
yeah.
B
And
I
think
that
that's
where
we
would
have
to
just
let
the
project
kind
of
reflect
on
their
own
of
their
own
mission
of
the
project
itself.
You
know
like
so
like
somebody
like
kubernetes
like
you.
Could
you
could
argue
that
yeah
they
do
help
improve
access
for
people,
because
these
other
projects
are
using
them
to
do
their
work
or
you
know
just
I
think
it's
just
important
that
we
recognize
that
this
is
a
way
that
we
can
provide.
B
A
project
can
provide
value
to
the
world
like
an
open
source
for
social,
good
kind
of
thing
and
I
know
like
GitHub
I
think
they
still
have
areas
of
their
explore.
Part
of
the
get
of
the
GitHub
website,
where
you
can
like
look
for
projects
to
use
or
contribute
to
and
I
think
they
have
a
section
for
social
good.
A
A
B
It's
not
your
typical
open
source
project
as
far
there
is
a
code,
and
there
is
an
app
that
goes
with
that
for
people
to
pick,
but
it's
also
like
got
a
deeper
meaning
to
it.
You
know
it's
got
some
kind
of
deeper
value
that
it
provides,
and
so
it
might
it
just
might
be
something
interesting
for
projects
I
think
to
reflect
on
yep.
A
I'm
wondering
if
there
might
be
I
just
typed
to
you,
know
the
Ford
Foundation
a
lot
of
the
projects
that
they
support.
They're,
not
always
open
source
projects.
I,
don't
think
you
know,
but
I
think
there's
it's
a
lot
about
doing
social
good
and
maybe
there's
some
language
there
that
we
could
find
that
would
help
in
this
regard.
B
B
Be
great
it
helps
with
like.
So
my
personal
feeling
is
the
more
diverse.
The
open
source
ecosystem
is
the
the
more
attractive
it
is
also
to
a
diverse
set
of
contributors.
You
know,
because
not
everybody
wants
to
work
on
a
ruby
library,
for
instance,
you
know
some
people
want
to
work
on
something
that
has
a
little
more
like
personal
meaning
for
them,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
a
that
is
a
component
of
Open
Source
health.
A
No
I,
like
that
and
I
agree
that
reducing
this,
at
least
in
the
hopes
of
moving
this
forward,
is
a
good
idea.
Yeah.
A
B
A
B
A
Okay,
so
maybe
the
to
bring
ideas
together
too,
like
maybe
you
could
just
bring
them
back
to
this
working
group
like
Loosely
I,
don't
think
you
have
to
drop
it
into
a
metrics
template
at
the
moment.
Okay
or
a
model
I,
don't
know
what
you
think,
but
that
seems
like
a
step
ahead,
but
okay,
cool.
Thank
you
any
comments
from
anybody
or
Elizabeth
or
on
this
idea.
A
All
right,
great,
so
I
just
wanted
to
keep
people
posted
and
I
had
really
I've
kind
of
gone
through
these
two
metrics.
A
You
know,
based
on
the
comments
that
we
had
last
week
from
people
and
I've
tried
to
clean
them
up.
I
think
I
did
this
yesterday.
There
are
still
a
few
things
that
I
need
to
to
straighten
out
just
a
little
bit
some
of
the
language
in
here,
so
I'm
still
working
on
them.
A
One
of
the
things
that
did
come
up
was
we
have
a
metric
called
contribution
attribution
and
the
question
was:
how
is
this
different
from
recognizing
contributors
and
I've
tried
to
leave
that
in
here?
Just
a
little
bit
that
the
difference
that
I'm
trying
to
draw
out
is
attribution.
B
A
Just
ensuring
that
people
are
attributed
to
the
work
they
do.
Recognizing
contributors
has
really
kind
of
meant
to
draw
out
that
attribution
and
celebrate
those
contributions
within
the
community.
I
think
Elizabeth.
This
is
the
point
you
were
bringing
up
last
week
as
well
that
sure
they're
they
are
necessarily
connected
with
one
another
and
so
I
think
that's
it.
I
I
did
have
a
hard
time,
sometimes
like
thinking
about
how.
B
B
But
I
don't
know
if
that's
actually
like
how
you
would
measure
it
I
don't
so
we
did
have
that
conversation
too,
and
it
did
come
down
to
mostly
just
yeah
like
this
observing
if
you're
doing
these
things
and
then,
if
you
have,
you
know
if
you're
doing
10
out
of
10,
then
that's
your
measurement
I
guess
that's
your
percent
I,
don't
know,
but
that's
kind
of
how
we
landed
on
it.
Okay,.
A
Yeah
because
here's
another
one
like,
but
we
recommend
you
just
do
these
things,
you
can
also
observe
if
so.
C
C
A
C
A
C
May
have
some
nuance
and
among
them,
but
it
may
just
be
a
kind
of
synthetic
sugar
in
some
cases,
for
example,
now
that
most
communities
are
talking
contribution
not
limiting
to
code,
this
contribution
yeah.
So
it's
difficult
to
measure
community-based
contribution,
so
they
go
now
to
kind
of
recognizing
people
who
have
been
actively
participating.
C
And
most
of
this
platform,
like
GitHub
git
lab
and
most
have
been
using
it.
So
by
any
we
are
when
you
use
a
kind
of
let's
say
you
contribute
in
a
coming.
They
attribute
that
section
to
you,
then
recognition
will
come
in
to
say:
okay
I
mean
Amy
is
here.
She
can
help
us
more
with
openstack
system.
I've
studied
that
system
in
the
openstack.
C
I
have
a
paper
that
I
publish
a
written
a
paper
and
I
think
Amy
can
also
cheat
in
something
because
it's
a
system
she
is
most
familiar
to
where
I
can,
because
it's
always
good
to
try
to
see
where
in
what
particular
area
we
are
talking,
because
in
some
cases
it
might
just
be
like
one
side
of
a
coin.
A
coin
has
two
phases
just
to
see.
We
are
emphasizing
this
aspect
here
and
emphasizing
this
other
aspect
here
in
a
nutshell,
we
are
in
the
same
direction:
yep.
A
I
agree,
so
could
you
either
put
the
link
to
your
paper
in
this
or
comments
about
that
in
this
document
or
okay
or
in
the
minutes,
I'd
preferred
in
this
document?
Just
so,
it's
all
in
one
spot.
You
know
what
I
mean:
okay.
A
C
A
The
minutes
it's
right
here-
oh
okay,
okay,
then
I'll
do
that
either
way.
Yep
that'd
be
great.
Thank
you,
okay,
and,
to
your
point,
two
arms
drawing
this
one
with
recognizing
Contra
recognizing
contributors.
This
is
there
were
several
studies
that
were
included
here
in
the
objectives
that
do
talk
about
this.
A
The
other
thing
that
I
had
on
this
one
was
like
this.
As
far
as
I
can
tell
from
all
contributors.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
this
but
like
from
all
contributors.
What
it
does
is.
It
adds
a
contributor
name
to
the
readme.
So
it's
a
way
to
make
sure
that
you
add
I,
think
it's
a
bot,
but
it
just
it
makes
you
know
like
a
contributor
list.
It
just
adds
it
to
the
readme
I.
Don't
that
doesn't
really
feel
like
a
recognition.
B
B
I
personally
think
it's
recognizing
them,
because
it's
in
you
know
like
a
more
central
place.
I
think
attribution
would
be
like
a
little
more
hidden
like.
A
B
So
that's
my
personal
feeling,
yeah.
A
A
A
So
it's
not
like
an
event,
and
then
what
about
this
is
insights
right.
This
is
I
mean
it's
recognizing
the
work
and
it's
drawing
it
out
like
it's
drawing
it
out
of
a
git,
commit
to
your
point.
Elizabeth.
C
Yeah
like
what
we
found
in
our
studies,
most
of
the
tools,
including
what
even
the
openstack
is
using
to
do
recognition,
doesn't
capture
all
the
contributions
that
people
make
and
that
we
also
proposed
it
to
a
heuristic.
We
wrote
it
tool
that
could
really
identify
those
missing
contributions,
because
sometimes
some
people
will
fail
to
use
the
authoring
committee
or
they
may
do
some
work,
and
they
don't
really
see
sorry
for
that
noise.
It's
okay,
yeah!
C
Now
this
recognition,
for
example,
we
are
going
for
the
kioskcon
if,
for
example,
this
theories
or
this
series
of
the
conference,
we
saw
some
people
who
have
been
active
in
the
community
recognition.
They
say.
Oh
thank
you
for
your
active
participation
in
this
year.
This
is
like
a
five
dollar
or
a
fifty
dollar
gift
card,
or
something
like
that
for
a
free
registration
towards
that
particular
event.
C
That
attribution
is
something
that
goes
in
for
life.
It's
like
it
probably
proprietary
kind
of
a
kind
of
copyright.
If
you
stand
there
any
time
in
the
in
any
year,
you
want
to
look
for
your
contribution.
You
can
you
can
really
pull
it
out
and
say
this
is
what
I've
been
working
for
the
past
10
years.
These
are
my
contribution
that
attribution
goes
into
that
way
now,
but
recognition
is
just
like
a
medal,
something
that
they
give
you
an
hour
and
it's
a
one-time
thing.
C
A
Okay,
do
you
have
does
openstack
use
like
a
tool
or
a
system
to
recognize
people,
or
is
it
just
part
of
how.
C
C
Are
we
talking?
Yes,
there
are
also
tools
in
the
government
repository
Amy,
I
think,
usually,
when
there
is
a
future
free
period,
they
run
that
tool
for
to
collect
all
the
active
contribution
for
that
period,
for
example
to
make
people
the
active
contributors.
A
Yes,
and
we
also
use
a
few
know,
people
are
eligible
for
elections
like
I'll,
go
through
there
and
see
whoever
has
nominated
themselves
to
make
sure
that
they
meet
the
requirements.
A
Cncf
is
using
it
now.
It's
now
at
stackalytics.io,
not.com
dot
IO.
A
A
Then
I'll
open
it
stack,
Linux,
Style,
very
cool.
A
For
that,
as
well,
all
right
I'd
like
to
move
on
to
just
a
few
things
here.
So
as
we
think
about
project
badging
and
it's
moving
forward.
There
are
some
details
that
we
need
to
kind
of
lay
out
for
applicants
to
the
project.
So
if
you
are
thanks
Armstrong,
if
you
are
a
project
and
you're
looking
to
apply
for
project
badging,
there's
I
think
maybe
some
some
guidelines
that
we
need
to
kind
of
set
or
parameters
that
we
need
to
set
as
to
what
a
project
badging
program
is
about.
A
I
think
we
do
this
with
event
badging.
You
know
we
kind
of
explain
what
it
is
that
this
badge
is
about
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish.
I
think
we
need
to
do
that
with
with
project
badging
and
I.
Think
project
badging
is
going
to
be
quite
different
than
event
badging
because
of
the
automatedness
of
it
that
we
can't
just
use
what
we
say
in
event.
A
A
You
know
what
I
mean
like
I
wonder:
what
can
we?
What
can
we
reasonably
say
to
people
that
we're
trying
to
accomplish
and
the
the
I
think
the
wrong
answer
is
like
we're
trying
to
ensure
that
any
project
that
participates
in
this
program
is
fully
diverse,
inclusive
and
Equitable,
like
we
can't
say
that.
So
what
can
we
say
you
know,
and
at
the
other
end
we
probably
can't
say
this
project.
Does
nothing
so.
A
On
particular
Dei
metrics
and
share.
B
Foreign
aims
to
have
communities
that
kind
of
makes
me
stumble
a
little
if
I
was
reading.
This
I
would
just
say
the
project
aims
to
make
an
effort
towards,
or
the
project
makes,
an
effort
towards,
centering
Dei
within
their
project.
B
I
think
education
is
a
part
of
it
too.
Okay,
how
it
helps
educate,
open
source
maintainers
on
ways
they
can
Center
to
EI
or.
A
C
A
Okay,
there's
something
in
the
chat:
oh
I
need
that
hi.
B
B
A
What
about
oh,
like
maybe
along
those
lines
like
bye,.
A
Something
so
this
is.
This
goes
back
to
like
that,
the
line
of
like
open
sourcing,
the
EI,
that's
the
the
phrase
that
Demetrius
use
a
lot
uses
a
lot.
Yeah
like
this
is
so
maybe
maybe
we
almost
just
say
that,
like
the
Dei
is
not
just
an
effort
in
open
source,
it's
not
just
an
effort
by
like
one
Community,
but
it's
an
effort,
or
even
just
like
one
group
within
a
community,
but
it's
an
effort
by
the
community
at
Large.
A
A
A
Into
the
entire
process
and
we're
doing
it
like
openly
at
this
point
like
by
putting
a
dei.md
file
I
think
it's
one
of
the
first.
It
will
be.
One
of
the
first,
like
codes
of
conduct
are
obviously
that
but
yeah
but
kind
of
thinking
to
this
point
about
things
to
consider
like
it's
more
than
just
a
code
of
conduct,
all
right.
A
You
know
at
part
of
me,
I,
don't
like
I
I
would
like
to
I
feel
like
there
was
the
discussion
about
remember,
including
codes
of
conduct
like
when
GitHub
it
allowed
communities
to
include
codes
of
conduct
as
part
of
the
process
of
building
a
new
repository
I
think
like
they
had
a
really
big
increase
in
the
number
of
projects
that
had
codes
of
conduct,
and
then
it
plateaued.
You
remember
that
conversation,
we're
kind
of
leveled
out,
yep
and
so
like
to
to
continue
to
push.
C
A
A
Okay
text
describes
what
the
badge
is
signaling,
let's
skip
this
for
now
on.
You
know
just
two
minutes
here,
so
Elizabeth
I'm
also
doing
this,
because
this
is
kind
of
I
think
the
document
that
we
need
to
put
together
that.
A
That's
it
yeah
right
and
willingness
to
learn,
become
educated.
You
know,
yeah
an
interest
in
centering
Dei,
a
willingness
to
learn
and
a
willingness.
A
B
Yeah,
do
we
want
to
say
anything
about
how
this
program
gives
a
a
project
a
place
to
expand
on
their
Dei
efforts
in
like
in
a
central
place
or
like
bring
visibility
to
those
efforts?
Also,
does
that
where
does
that
go?
Would
that
go
somewhere,
maybe
maybe
a
goal
of
the
project
or
something
a
goal
of
the
badging?
You
know.
C
A
Okay,
cool
all
right.
Well,
thanks
for
coming
back.
B
Yeah,
it
was
good.
It
actually
worked
out
to
be
a
great
meeting.
So
thanks
for
for
coming
back
and
and
jump
starting,
it
again.