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From YouTube: CHAOSS DEI Working Group - September 20, 2023
Description
Minutes from this meeting can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MzDk84BL7FfHDxbFxJz39M72V2Hfc5Y6oCPhOl6woxo/edit#heading=h.7b7x5kd3jexe
A
Hey
everybody:
it's
the
chaos,
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion,
working
group
or
Dei
working
group,
as
we
call
it
I'm
Elizabeth
nice
to
see
everybody
here,
I'm
the
community
manager
for
chaos,
so
I'm
going
to
facilitate
this
meeting.
Just
a
quick
reminder.
This
and
all
chaos
meetings
are
under
our
chaos
code
of
conduct.
So
we
appreciate
it.
If
you
just
keep
that
in
mind,
you
know,
as
you
interact
with
us,
Lucy's
snoring
in
the
back
as
she
usually
is.
A
A
All
right,
if
you
haven't
answered
our
question
of
the
day,
we
have
two
today,
so
you
get
a
bonus,
you
got
to
think
twice
as
hard
as
you
usually
do,
and
if
anybody
needs
the
minutes,
then
I'll
just
drop
it
in
the
chat
here
really
quick,
just
in
case
anybody
needs
those
yeah.
So
if
you
want
to
add
your
name
to
the
agenda,
I'll
oops
got
a
couple
more
spaces
and
tell
us
what
your
favorite
writing
utensil
is.
A
What
did
what
was
this
comment
here?
Is
this
a
team?
Yes,
it
is
a
team
and
I
actually
went
to
one
of
the
games.
While
I
was
on
break
and
it
was
so
much
fun.
It
was
so
much
we
lost,
sadly,
but
it
was
so
much
fun.
Oh
my
gosh,
a
plus
recommend
I
will
go
again
if
I
can
afford
it,
because
tickets
are
not
cheap.
So
it
was
a
blast,
though
we
had
a
really
really
good
time
at.
B
A
B
B
A
Yeah,
it's
probably
the
same.
So
for
those
who
don't
know
the
Bengals
are
a
U.S
football
team
in
my
city
so
and
they
we're
good.
But
we're
not
doing
so
well
this
year
and
the
our
quarterback
is
the
highest
paid
NFL
player
in
history
of
the
NFL,
so
yeah
we're
a
little
disappointed
in
his
performance,
but.
B
A
Someone
who
works
at
GoDaddy,
she's,
a
developer,
I
think
developer
Advocate
there
I'm
very
interested
in
accessibility
and
she's
been
a
long
time
contributor
to
Wordpress
as
well,
in
the
accessibility
area,
and
so
she
was
asking
if
we
well
first
off
they.
She
and
her
colleague,
who
is
a
blind
developer,
had
brought
up
some
potential
improvements
on
our
website
and
then
yiga
was
kind
enough
to
speak
up.
That
I
think
it
was
ziga
right
was
that
you
I
think
that's
who
that
was
right.
A
A
For
our
project
managers,
first
we're
going
to
do
this
website
audit
and
just
see
what
we
need
to
clean
up
on
our
website
and
then
we're
going
to
create
this
accessibility
statement,
which
basically
will
tell
people
what
version
of
the
standards
we
are
attempting
to
fulfill
and
and
be
in
alignment
with
and
as
well
kind
of.
We
are
hoping
to
expand
ours
as
well
to
include
things
like
meetings
and
other
ways
that
we
are
attending
to
accessibility
within
the
chaos
project.
A
D
B
E
B
D
A
D
Say
that
doing
an
accessibility,
audit
and
Report
Generations
some
easy
thing
to
do
thinking
about
Contracting
out,
because
I
bet
it's
harder
like
like
something
tells
me
that
it's
like
design
work,
but
people
are
like.
Oh
it's
just
design
work.
You
just.
Can
you
just
do
this?
You
know
like
it's
super
easy
or,
like
audits
like
it
might
take
a
while
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
if
we
just
ask
one
person
to
do
it.
D
B
Done
these
before
it's
been
like
10
years,
but
it
took
like
it
took
like
a
developer
like
a
week
to
go
through
accessibility
stuff
on
sites
like
a
week
like
a
year
10
years
ago,
I
don't
know
what's
involved
today,
I
don't
mean
the
Technology's
wild,
vastly
different
understanding.
The
gaps
is
probably
not
that
big
of
a
task,
because
that
week
was
the
week
10
years
ago,
was
like
just
to
to
both
identify
and
fix
accessibility
issues
like
I'm
sure
our
understanding
of
it
is
more
sophisticated.
Now
so.
B
D
F
E
D
If
this
is
going
to
be
part
of
working
with
project
managers
like
the
the
audit
results,
will
most
likely
show
us
a
lot
of
things.
We
need
to
improve
and
work
on
and
we
will
probably
need
to
prioritize
a
lot
of
things
like
we
I'm
sure
we
won't
be
able
to
do
everything
all
at
once
so
I.
No,
it's
it's
great
I'm,
not
I.
Just
my
concern
is
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
bigger
than
I've
been
just
like
some
afternoon.
Yeah.
A
C
I
do
know
that
the
lady
from
what
was
the
place
again,
the
lady
that
spoke
yesterday,
however,
I
was
talking
about
you-
know,
accessibility,
audits
regarding
blind
people.
Deaf
people-
and
you
know
stuff
like
that.
So
I
think
that
that
was
the
focus
of
you
know
what
she
was
Raising
people
had
of
hearing
and
people
that
you
know
use
real
and
stuff
like
that.
C
But
there's
also
other
kinds
of
you
know:
accessibility
audits
that
deal
with
that
we
can
use
Google
analytics
for
so
it
depends
on
what
we're
trying
to
achieve.
But
I
did
what
she
was
focusing
on
was
for
people,
the
people
that
are
less
focused
on
in
society
and
I.
Think
it's
a
good
way
to
start
to
I.
Think
that's
what
I
wanted.
D
F
A
And
I
will
say
that
the
the
the
plugins
that
we
use
on
WordPress
and
everything
that
we've
done
passed
their
checks.
So
it's
not
like
we're
starting
from
scratch,
like
I,
think
we're
at
a
level.
That's
relatively
acceptable.
It'll
just
be
tweaks,
I
think
if
I
had
to
guess,
because
I
know
that
that
was
really
important
to
Kevin
to
make
sure
that
anything
we
implement,
you
know
gave
some
kind
of
certification
or,
or
you
know,
some
kind
of
something
that
said
they
were
had
passed.
Some
accessibility
checks.
B
Yeah
I
mean
that's
the
thing,
I
think
just
whatever
issues
we
may
have
are
likely
fixable
within
WordPress,
because
it's
such
a
giant
kind
of
owns
a
lot
of
the
content
on
the
internet
right
and
so
I
mean
I
will
be
surprised
if,
if
we're
like
wildly
off,
because
my
guess
is,
the
default
is
sort
of
moving
in
the
direction
of
accessibility
and
so
like
what
the
things
that
we
have
to
change
are
well,
it's
like
we
just
don't
know
until
we
do
it
right.
So.
F
B
A
C
Not
yes,
I
wanted
to
if
we,
if
we
could
remember
the
name
of
the
plugin,
because
one
of
the
things
that
I've
done
this
before
for
an
open
stores
that
I
usually
contribute
to
I
think
last
year,
so
I
do
know
that
there
are
web
content,
accessibility
guidelines
and
there
are
various
levels
to
it.
There's
level
a
there's
level
AAA
and
you
know
Triple,
A
and
all
of
that
stuff,
so
we
could
also
use
you
know
audit
tools,
I'm
happy
to
work
with
Victoria
on
this.
C
A
Yeah
I
feel
like
the
one
she
mentioned
yesterday
was
a
little
difficult,
equalized,
yeah
I
think
that's
what
it
was.
Yeah
yeah
yeah
I
could
see
the
ratings.
So
let's
drop
this
in
our
notes
here
as
well.
Oh
you
did
already
and
I'm
gonna
you're
gonna
put
you
up
down
here,
see
I
just
manifested
that
by
by
volunteering
you
earlier
now,
you're
part
of
it
I.
A
A
D
A
A
F
B
So
for
Mike
with
regards
to
colorblindness,
there
are
palettes
designed
for
colorblind,
and
it's
these
days
like
because
I
do
visualizations.
Quite
a
lot.
I'm
always
I
always
select
palettes
that
are
colorblind,
safe,
I
guess
for
lack
of
a
better
word
so
like
accomplishing
these
goals
is
much
easier
than
it
used
to
be
like
you
used
to
have
to
actually
manually
select,
colors
and
stuff,
and
now
you
can
just
choose
a
color
blind,
safe
palette.
D
F
C
D
D
A
F
A
Yeah
so
I
think
we're
good,
okay,
well,
I!
Guess
we
can
move
on
just
again
reminder:
project
managers
meeting
is
starting
back
up
today.
For
some
reason
it
was
not
on
the
calendar
and
I'm.
Not
it's
my
fault,
I'm,
not
sure
what
happened
with
the
recurring
event,
but
it
has
been,
has
been
fixed
from
here
moving
on.
So
if
we
have
a
light
attendance
today,
that's
totally
fine
or
if
nobody
shows
up
I'll
be
there.
A
A
D
Is
there
a?
Is
there
a
hope
to
have
say
people
who
are
in
these
roles,
maybe
attend
the
community
meeting
once
a
month
or
how
will
we
kind
of
like
what
you
were
doing
yesterday
in
the
community
call
with
Ruth
and
Chaos
Africa,
like
just
like
an
update
as
to
how
you
know
what's
being
worked
on
or
kind
of
what
the
new
new
thoughts
are?
Is
there
something
similar
in
this
regard?
We.
A
Can
we
can
change
it?
If
that
would
be
better,
we
can
certainly
change
it.
I
mean,
like
I,
said:
we've
had
one
meeting,
so
we
can
do
whatever
we
want
with
it.
Honestly,
oh,
okay.
Okay,
do
you?
Are
you
you're
in
the
the
project
manager
slack
right?
Yes,
I
am
yeah.
If
we
need
to
change
it,
we
can
also
discuss
it
there
as
well.
So
if
there's
a
better
time,
if
you
want
to
propose
it
there
are
you
able
to
come
today.
A
B
B
Do
have
some
before
noon:
central
eastern
slots
open
on
Tuesday,
Wednesday
Thursday
now
with
the
combination
of
the
university
and
scientific
open
source
groups,
so
we
might
be
able
to
like
we
could
Poss
I
mean
I,
don't
know
just
speaking
I'm
talking
off
to
the
cuff
here,
but
perhaps
the
hour
after
this
meeting
might
be
available
every
other
week.
Now.
A
F
D
D
A
Yeah,
that
was
one
thing
that
we
talked
about
too,
was
the
fact
that
it
does
allow
us
to
provide
a
path
for
leadership
and
some
non-code
ways
and
give
people,
like
you
said
just
said:
recognition
for
work
that
they're
doing
and
just
like
make
it
a
little
more
official
for
them.
You
know
and
like
hopefully,
we'll
have
that
have
their
names
posted
on
the.
If
there's
a
repo,
for
instance,
that
is,
you
know
they
would
be
listed
as
the
maintainer
and
as
a
point
of
contact
and
Leadership
for
that
project.
So.
D
A
B
B
B
F
A
I
I
I
mean
it's
a
great
point,
because
we've
we've
wanted
to
do
that
for
a
while.
You
know,
because
it's
it's
a
great
way
to
recognize
and
just
tell
people
how
much
they
you
know
they.
We
appreciate
their
contributions
and
that
piece
of
it
is
is
tough.
Yeah
I
couldn't
even
get
poker
chips
through
so
yeah
when
I
was
doing
the
chaos
cast
so
yeah,
but
we'll
figure
it
out
thanks
man,
okay,.
A
So
the
next
one
is
I'm,
gonna,
be
out
two
weeks
from
today,
I'll
be
at
a
conference.
So
if
somebody
wants
to
facilitate
in
my
Stead
I
wanted
to
give
a
little
time
in
case
somebody
new
would
like
to
try
it.
We
do
have
some
documentation
on
how
to
do
it.
If
somebody
knew
would
like
to
try
who's,
never
done
it
before
or
somebody
old
who's
done
it
a
lot.
A
G
Yeah
I
added
that,
and
that
is
because
last
week
I
attended
the
non-focus
dicks
unconference
section
and
a
topic
was
brought
up
about
conflict
in
a
community
and
maintenance,
not
knowing
how
to
address
it,
and
so
I
was
curious.
Whether
we
have
a
metric
that
covers
that
I
know
it's
supposed
to
be
like
in
a
code
of
conduct,
but
I'm
not
sure
we
have
like
this
set
aside
metric
that
actually
covers
that.
G
Well,
so
I
also
went
ahead
to
look
out
for
like
if
there
are
like
examples
of
that
and
I
saw
samples
on
that
project.
So
they
have
a
section
that
kind
of
talks
about
how
to
address
situations
that
come
up
around
conflict,
how
to
approach
it
and
the
ways
that
you
can
tackle
it
at
the
end
of
the
day.
So
I
just
thought:
I
should
drop
this
here
as
well.
A
G
Okay,
so
the
conversation
went
this
way.
Someone
said
in
their
Community.
They
had
a
conflict
that
came
up
amongst
the
maintenance
of
a
project
and
contributors
of
that
project,
and
so,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they
were
not
sure
how
to
approach
the
issue
and
how
to
settle
the
entire
dispute,
and
that
is
why
I
brought
this
up.
Okay,.
A
D
B
A
H
Is
there
education
or
a
place
where
people
can
find
or
make
reference
to
this?
Because,
if
not
the
metric
everything
that
we're
doing
I
know,
you
said
there
is
the
code
of
conflict,
but
just
some
educational,
quick.
You
know
thing
that
that
individuals
can
click
on
to
kind
of
learn
exactly
what
is
meant
here,
so
that
if
there
is
a
violation,
people
are
not
confused
by.
Why.
B
Right
yeah
just
to
amplify
that
I
think
I.
Think
code
of
conduct
violations
definitely
emerge
from
conflict
where,
where
it
goes
too
far,
and
somebody
loses
their
cool
and
starts
Behaving,
Badly
so
and
I
think
there's
helping
people
manage
conflict
I
think
is
a
way
of
preventing
some
code
of
conflict
violations
or
code
of
code
of
conduct.
Violations,
conflict
and
conduct
are
too
close
to
me,
alliteratively
so
too
close
to
each
other.
Rather.
D
H
Well,
so
if
we,
if
we're
talking
in
the
realm
of
conduct,
of
course,
we
have
things
where
we
try
to
educate
people
on
behaviors,
so
we
we
specifically
have
behaviors
that
are
expected
around
diversity,
inclusion
belonging,
but
I
think
that
they
extend
beyond
that
right.
Just
there's
a
human
factor
of
respect
that
that
is
expected.
That
being
said
to
your
point,
Sean
I
think
that
there
are
times
when
a
person
may
be
offensive
or
even
violate
a
code
of
conduct,
but
they
don't
realize
that
they're
doing
it,
it
may
be
a
microaggression.
H
It
may
be
a
subtle
Act
of
exclusion.
It
may
be
a
variety
of
things
and
then,
when
brought
to
their
attention,
it's
like.
Oh
well,
I,
you
know,
I
didn't
know,
so
those
are
some
of
the
things
we
focus
on
just
because
I
think
there
are
things
that
happen
even
in
different
regions
that
are
considered
offensive,
but
may
not
be
in
the
U.S
or
in
the
U.S.
H
We
may
consider
it
offensive
Vice,
verses,
so
I
think
that's
why
I
asked
about
education,
because
I
think
that
there
you
have
to
be
somebody
said
regionally.
You
have
to
be
sensitive
to
the
fact
that
there
are
things
that
happen
in
the
U.S
that
we
may
not
consider
offensive.
That
might
be
extremely
offensive
in
emea
or
aipac
or
Latin
one
of
our
Latin
countries.
So
that's
why
I
was
asking
about
education.
A
B
B
A
D
H
We
could
we
I
I,
think
what
I'd
love
to
add
to
some
of
the
stuff
we
have
is
just.
We
could
put
definitions
of
microaggressions
of
subtle
acts
of
exclusion,
Etc,
but
I'd
love
to
see
how
that
could
translate
within
this
community
right,
because
I
think
ours
are
not
focused
on
the
developer,
Community,
which
I
think
I
shouldn't,
say
art,
but
I
think
that
there's
some
specificity
we
need
to
do
that
would
translate
better
in
this
community.
So
if
we
have
examples,
we
can
put
definitions
and
then
just
add
some
examples.
H
Think
I
think
conflict
resolution
to
John's
point
is
a
little
bit
different
right
code
of
conduct
is,
is
the
foundation
on
which
a
company
builds
right.
These
are
the
expectations
of
what
happened
for
you
as
a
team
member
or
an
employee
conflict
resolution,
the
ones
that
I've
mediated
tend
to
be
more
at
the
executive
level
and-
and
they
happen
across
the
board-
I
shouldn't
say
that,
but
they
happen
across
the
board,
so
I
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
of.
H
B
Yeah
I
think
they're
different
too
I,
I
and
I
mean
I
I
do
think.
Conflict
resolution
is
important,
even
though
it's
it
may
not
be
clearly
directly
in
the
scope
of
something
that
that
relates
to
code
of
conduct.
I
do
think
it
is
like
I
said
earlier:
I
think
it
is
a
not
managing.
Conflict
well
leads
to
all
kinds
of
bad
outcomes,
whether
they're
code
of
conduct,
violations
or
not,
like
it's
usually
never
good
for
a
project.
If
somebody
doesn't
manage
a
conflict
well,.
H
A
I
love
this
conversation
and
I'm
sad
that
it's
the
end
of
our
meeting
time.
What
would
I
tell
you
what,
if
somebody
has
feels
passionate
about
this
and
I,
think
we've
decided
that
this
maybe
should
be
an
extra,
a
different
metric
than
the
code
of
con
conflict
enforcement
or
just
the
code
of
conduct.