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B
B
You
obviously
don't
have
to
do
that.
If
you
don't
want
to-
and
you
obviously
can
leave
your
camera
off,
we
don't
care
at
all
we're
happy
to
see
you
if
you'd
like
to
participate
and
you
don't
want
to
unmute.
You
can
just
type
in
the
chat
and
we
try
to
integrate
that
into
the
meeting.
So
I
think
everyone
here
has
been
here
before.
So
you
all
know
the
rules
already,
but
just
in
case
it's
always
good
to
do
a
refresher.
I
guess
so.
B
We
have
a
short
agenda.
It
looks
like
so,
if
you
have
something
that's
been
on
your
mind
for
a
while,
you
can
feel
free
to
drop
that
in
there
we're
happy
to.
I
will
probably
have
time
to
look
at
it
if
you
want
so.
The
first
thing
on
the
agenda
is
the
dei
survey
and
the
chaos
contributions
therein.
C
I
did
I
just
wanted
to
let
everybody
know
that
the
linux
foundation
is
going
to
be
releasing
a
dei
survey
in
maybe
like
a
week
or
10
days
or
something
along
those
lines,
and
the
chaos
project
has
been
a
participant
in
contributing
some
of
the
questions.
So
thanks
to
the
dei
reflection
team,
I
see
justin
on
here
and
elizabeth
and
sean
as
question
serving
as
an
inspiration
for
the
the
survey,
so
I'm
just
really
happy
to
have
the
survey
going
out
amy
as
well.
There
were
two
questions
from
openstack.
C
I
think
in
some
form
or
fashion
ended
up
in
the
final
version
of
the
survey,
so
amy
thank
you
for
for
allowing
us
to
do
that.
That's
awesome
and
then
there
were
also
questions
from
open
demographics,
so
the
work
of
dr
nikki
stevens
as
well
so
anyway.
I
just
like
to
say
thanks
to
everybody,
who's
participated
and
thanks
to
georg
and
to
nicole,
who
gave
us
permission
to
use
the
chaos
logo
on
the
survey
going
out.
So
I'm
going
to
come
on
that
just
pretty
excited.
D
C
A
We
discussed
at
least
four
weeks,
probably
six,
because
it's
summertime.
E
C
Yeah,
like
a
summary,
pdf
document,
and
then
the
data
will
actually
be
available
in
two
forms,
so
one
will
be
in
a
very
redacted
anonymous
form,
put
on
data.world
and
made
available
and
then
the
other
is
through
permission
like
approval
request
and
approval
with
the
linux
foundation.
So
we,
the
linux
foundation,
is
actually
the
holders
of
this
data.
We
are
not
like
the
chaos
project
is
not,
and
so
steve
winslow
has
been
working.
A
B
And
we
shall
move
on
global
inclusion
is
a
metric
that
we've
been
working
on.
I
think
matt
cantu's
been
kind
of
spearheading
this.
If,
if
I'm
remembering
properly
matt,
do
you
want
to
talk
about
this?
Do
you
want
to
walk
through
it
with
us,
yeah.
F
I'd
like
to
see
that
trish
is
the
one
doing
work
on
this
she's
not
here
today,
but
in
her
absence
I'm
going
to
bring
up
the
global
inclusion
metric
here,
so
we've
been
working
on
adding
some
event.
F
Metrics
event
focused
metrics
to
the
to
the
roster
of
metrics.
We
have
here
in
the
dei
working
group
and
the
first
one
here,
the
second
one
here,
we've
already
worked
on
inclusive
experience
at
event
and
we're
finding
that.
So
this
one
is
global
global
inclusion,
which
I
will
share
in
the
chat
here
as
well,
and
I'd
like
to
try
and
get
us
to
work
a
little
bit
on
this,
not
too
long,
maybe
five
minutes
or
so
just
to
give
it
a
give
it
more
life
for
more
people.
F
So
I
shared
the
link
here
in
the
chat
I'll.
Let
you
take
it
from
here
elizabeth.
B
Okay,
sean:
you
want
to
pause
the
recording
while
we
work
on
this
for
about
five
minutes.
B
B
So
the
next
thing
on
the
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
another
metric
that
we're
working
on
called
psychological
safety,
and
I
did
actually
do
some
work
on
this,
since
I
was
supposed
to
do
it
last
week-
and
I
did
not,
I
actually
did
that
so
go
meet
a
touchdown.
B
So
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
take
some
time
and
look
at
this,
I'm
really
glad
you're
on
the
call
justin
specifically,
because
you
had
some
good
comments
and
questions
in
that
metric,
and
I
want
to
see
what
you
think
about
the
changes
that
I
was
proposing
or
that
I
made
I
did
clean
it
up.
So
do
we
want
to
take.
Maybe
10
minutes.
Is
that
okay
and
look
at
this
metric
again
a
little
more
in
depth?
Okay,
cool!
So
I
guess
sean
you
get
to
pause
again,
yeah
yeah
right
on.
A
B
All
right
thanks
everyone
again
for
your
work
on
that
metric.
It's
going
to
be
a
good
metric.
I
will
do
some
final
cleanups
and
bring
it
back
to
the
group
next
week
and
we
can
maybe
look
at
hopefully
potentially
releasing
it.
That
would
be
good,
so.
A
B
Okay,
it
looks
like
we
have
a
new
metric
event,
location
inclusivity.
Do
we
want
to
talk
about
that?
A
little
bit.
G
Yeah
I
just
I
just
added
that
I
view
that
as
the
so.
What
I
was
thinking
here
was
that
the
city
or
state
that
a
conference
is
located
in
has
some
could
be
problematic
for
some.
G
So
we
know
that
the
state
of
california
doesn't
allow
travel
for
state
employees
to
something
like
38
states
in
the
united
states
because
of
lgbt
laws
that
have
been
enacted
and
then
so,
and
then
there
also
may
be
issues
of
marginalized
individuals
and
and
systematic
racism
where
it
would
be
dangerous
for
participants
to
visit
places
where
there
are
laws
and
systems
in
place
that
are
discriminatory.
G
So
event,
location
inclusivity
seems
like
something
that's
fairly
timely
right
now,
with
some
of
the
legislation
that's
happening
and
it
also
kind
of
matches
what
other
places
are
doing.
The
state
of
california,
for
example.
G
So
the
the
description
of
an
event
location
and
whether
or
not
that
location
is
inclusive,
inclusive
is,
is
probably
important
and
should
should
be
considered
when
people
hold
events
right.
They
shouldn't
hold
events
in
places
where
people
might
be
fearful
to
travel.
B
Kevin
would
you
envision
this
also
even
going
down
so
far
as
like
the
venue
itself,
whether
or
not
you
know
it's
being
it's
it's
equitable
and
it's
treatment
of
its
employees.
If
it's
unionized,
if
it's
like
a
good
place
to
host
it,
would
that
be
included
in
this
metric.
B
Like
I
know
that
you
know,
conference
organizers
are
somewhat
limited
in
venues
based
on
like
their
needs
and
things,
but
I
think
just
having
them
be
aware
of
those
issues
and
like
having
them
think
about
it
anyway,
you
know
trying
to
mitigate
it
as
much
as
possible.
I
think
it's
a
really
good
thing.
F
G
A
G
G
Sorry
yeah,
so
the
yeah
north
carolina's
had
events
moved
out.
Obviously
the
the
state
of
california
has
a
list
of
states
where
they
won't
send
people,
so
I
think
it's
a.
F
B
I
I
might,
I
might
disagree
with
that,
because
I
know
when
I
was
planning
events.
We
had
a
great
event
and
it
was
not
accessible
because
it
was
in
canada
and
they
didn't.
It
was
an
old
building
and
they
didn't
have
any
way
they
had
a
few
stairs,
and
so
it
was
not
an
inclusive
venue
at
all.
So
I
I
would
maybe
include
that
in
this
metric-
and
I
see
justin
has
his
hand
up.
H
I
would
look
at
it
more
about
the
actual
travel
restrictions
of
the
event,
and
actually
now
too
I
mean
it's
less
so
now,
but
looking
at
the
things
that
are
coming
out
now
with
covid
and
accessibility
in
terms
of
which
countries
allow
which
other
countries
in
and
whether
the
eu
there's
all
these
other
tricky
parts
there.
So
I
would
push
back
to
that.
G
Yeah,
I
would,
I
would
agree
with
that,
and
I
would
add
that
I
think
the
like
venue-
accessibility
at
that
at
that
individual
venue
level.
I
believe
that
is
a
metric,
and
I
think
that
would
be
its
own
metric,
though.
H
Metric,
I
feel
I
have
a
use
case
in
mind.
I
just
think
of
all
these
putting
on
my
fedora
project
hat
one
thing
that
we
look
at
with
planning
both
different
local
events,
that
might
be
a
small
pocket
of
contributors
and
also
our
global
international
event
that
we'll
start
picking
up
again
next
year.
I
would
love
to
have
this
kind
of
metric
as
a
way
to
point
to
other
people
who
have
thought
about
this
issue
and
use
that
as
a
way
to
think
about
inclusivity
for
where
we
pick
our
events
and
where
we
host
it.
D
H
A
C
C
Measure
and
give
a
number
to
right,
other
other
metrics
kind
of
serving
as
a
source
of
thought
or
a
source
of
of
inspiration
or
something
that's
not
quite
like
measurable.
In
the
same
regard,
and
so
the
way
I
heard
you
describing,
adjustment
was
more
like
the
latter,
which
is
that
you
would
use
this
as
a
way
to
to
think
through
how
you're
planning
events.
C
This
would
to
allow
you
to
demonstrate
that
other
people
like
like
a
metric
here
is,
has
been
thought
through
as
an
important
consideration
when
planning
events
is
that,
is
that
fair
to
say,
yeah.
G
I
agree
with
that.
I
would
also
say
that
this
metric
would
be
would
fit
quite
well
with
the
event
badging.
H
And
to
build
on
that,
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
the
kind
of
metrics
that
we
work
with
compared
to
say
other
chaos
working
groups.
We
have
a
lot
more
of
this
qualitative
side,
so
I
think
framing
them
as
questions
really
helped
me
with
these
dei
metrics,
because
so
rarely
is
it
that
exactly
what
works
in
one
project
community
is
going
to
be
easily
transferable
to
another.
So,
like
there's
things,
we
can
measure
thinking
about.
Well,
what
are
they?
You
can
look
at
visa
laws.
H
For
you
know,
if
you
have
peop,
maybe
it
might
be
a
process,
but
thinking
like
how
like,
where
are
your
contributors
traveling
from
or
where
are
they
where
are
their
nationalities?
And
how
might
that
impact
where
you
choose
events,
so
there
are
things
you
can
actually
look
at,
but
just
not
so
easily
quantifiable,
as
x,
x
y
numbers
for
these
things,
but
just
things
to
help
you
think
them
through,
like,
I
think,
that's
one
one
thing
that
makes
this
working
group
so
much
different
than
some
of
the
others.
H
G
I
would
agree
with
that,
but
I
think
this
this
metric
could
actually
have
some
things
that
are
quantifiable,
for
example,
is
the
location
on
a
travel
ban
list
for
the
state
of
california?
G
G
Is
it
dangerous
to
travel
to
this
country
by
the
the
state
department
right
is
the
yeah?
Is
it
on
travel
ban
for
the
state
of
california?
Is
it
you
know
there?
There
are.
G
There
are
lists
that
government
agencies
and
and
other
organizations
make
so
so
there
there
is
some
some
quantifiable
measurement
to
that.
I
would
just.
A
I
would
just
point
out
that
the
the
things
the
places
that
california
bans
they
ban
because
they're
not
inclusive
places
the
united
states
state
department
bans
are
because
they're
either
not
safe
or
considered
our
enemies,
and
so
they
are
designed
to
be
exclusive,
not
inclusive
right.
Instead,
I'm
just
saying
those
two
lists.
G
Yeah,
I
I
only
included
that
list
as
an
example,
but.
G
G
G
A
B
I
think
what
kevin
is
referring
to
is
that,
like
some
places,
don't
have
very
friendly
laws.
A
A
thing
there
that
per
yeah
that
per
okay-
I
didn't
understand
that.
But
did
you
say
there
are
36
states
on
that
list?
Kevin.
G
G
I
would
add
racial
discrimination
to
that
as
well,
so
yeah,
lgbt
and
racial
discrimination,
so.
A
A
H
I
think
one
thing
that
might
help
me
is
just
to
see
a
draft
that
we
could
work
with
since
we're
kind
of
bouncing
back
and
forth
on
the
language
and
what
it
means.
So
I
think
if
we
could
have
a
like
a
first,
a
first
pass
draft
on
what
this
metric
might
look
like.
That
would
help
me
a
lot
just
in
terms
of
figuring
out.
What
is
it
one
metric?
Is
it
two?
How
do
we
divide
it?
Yeah.
G
My
initial
thought
was
that
it
was
two
but
I
was,
but
I
was
willing
to
expand
the
scope
of
of
inclusivity
to
to
include
accessibility,
so
I
I'm
perfectly
happy
to
to
think
of
it
as.
G
B
Kevin,
do
you
want
to
draft
the
or
start
on
the
event,
location,
inclusivity,
sure.
A
Yeah
justin,
I
will
let
you
take
that
I
got
enough
I'll,
let
you
take
the
first
cut
and
look
if
you
share
the
document
you
know
I
I
can
take
a
stab
at
it
as
well.
Yeah.
H
So
I
think
what
might
help
me
I'm
actually
really
interested
in
drafting
that,
but
it
would
just
help
me
just
to
make
sure
I
don't
maybe
just
to
start
with
the
one
kevin
wants
to
draft
first
and
we
go
through
that
and
edits,
and
then
I'm
willing
to
take
that
one
forward
after
we
get
to
that
makes
a
ton
of
sense.
Yeah.