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From YouTube: CHAOSS DEI Working Group November 16, 2022
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A
A
So
this
is
about
recognizing
contributors
and
recognizing
contributions.
So
we
have.
We
have
two
metrics
that
are
kind
of
similar
and
we
were
trying
to
separate
the
two
of
them.
So
we
have
recognizing
contributors.
A
Okay
and
then
the
other
one
was
contribution
attribution.
A
So
those
are
the
two
that
we
were
kind
of.
Looking
at
I
was
trying
to
think
about
ways
that,
because
I
think
we
had
a
discussion
about
this
before
and
we
were
able
to
kind
of
separate
them,
and
so
this
is
kind
of
what
I
put
down
is
is
attribution,
is
ensuring
that
authors
are
identified
on
work
that
they
contributed
to.
So
it's
kind
of
like
how
we
have
that
contribution
section
down
at
the
end
of
a
metric,
so
we're
just
making
sure
that
attribution
is
being
provided
where
we
need
to
provide
attribution.
A
So
I
likened
it
to
being
an
author
on
a
paper
like
you're,
just
you're,
given
attribution
for
having
worked
on
a
paper.
The
recognition
comes
from
some
sort
of
promotion
or
something
a
little
bit
beyond.
Just
having
your
name
on
the
item
that
you
worked
on,
you
know
like
more
than
just
being
listed
as
a
conference
organizer,
but
actually
like,
maybe
tweeting
it
out
or
putting
it
on
LinkedIn
or
like
like
really
kind
of
pushing
it
out
a
little
bit
and
I
had
suggested,
maybe
to
to
help
with
it
relieve
the
confusion.
A
We
could
talk
about
promoting
contributors
or
promoting
contributions,
not
like
promoting
to
get
them,
but,
like
you
know
like
promoting
them
like
hey,
you
know
the
work
that
you
know
that
Amy's
doing
is
amazing
and
we
just
want
to.
We
just
want
to
recognize
that.
So
that's
the
kind
of
the
difference
between
the
two
that
I
see,
kind
of
reading
them
and
remembering
our
conversations
I,
don't
know
when
people
think
about
this.
B
C
B
Ladder
but
like
maybe
like
appreciating
or
something
about
appreciation,
contributor
appreciation
or
okay.
A
It
could
be
things
like
you
know,
for
the
podcasts
we
we
would
send
like,
like
the
poker
chips
and
a
thank
you
card.
You
know
that
kind
of
thing
and
they're
I
mean
they're
they're,
certainly
attributed
on
the
podcast
that
their
name
is
on
there.
So
we
make
sure
attribution
is
certainly
there.
A
A
But
then
we
I
did
think
if
we
change
this
to
well.
This
would
be,
then,
what
did
we
call
it
appreciating.
A
D
A
A
So
that
would
kind
of
be
the
two
differences.
Then
I
did
think
that
maybe
some
of
these
visuals
might
be
better
in
attribution
foreign
just
in
the
visuals
that
we're
looking
at
Amy
are
things
like
recognizing
people
on
an
open,
Collective
budget
or
just
recognizing
people
like
their
GitHub
profiles.
It's
not
really
appreciating
them
at
all,
but
it's
just
ensuring
that
we
recognize
some
that
there
is
some
attribution
provided
to
to
people.
Does
that
make
sense,
Elizabeth
yeah.
D
A
I'll,
just
I'll
put
a
comment
in
here:
I'm,
not
sure
where
it
would
fit
in
this,
but
I
I
gdpr
like
impacts
how
to
let
people
opt
out.
B
D
A
A
A
Thank
you
events
sending
the
the
sending
the
t-shirts
and
thank
you
notes.
A
A
All
right,
I'll
update
the
spreadsheet,
so
okay,
great.
A
Super
oh
oops,
wait.
I,
know
I
got
that
right,
okay,
anyway,
okay,
great,
and
where
do
you
know?
Where
do
you
remember
where
the
other
one
is.
A
So
this
is
fully
released,
so
I
I
think.
Maybe
the
only
thing
that
I
would
have
to
do
is
maybe
add
some
of
the
visuals
from.
A
B
Done
for
I
think
was
okay,
so
I'm
not
really
sure
what
what
was
on
her
mind
around
it.
Okay,.
A
Sean
and
I
actually
had
a
conversation
with
somebody
from
future
way
at
the
member
Summit
in
future
way
is
the
like
American
based
group
for
Huawei
they're,
based
out
in
San,
Francisco
and
future
way,
was
really
interested
in
really
understanding
kind
of
the
some
of
the
environmental
impact
the
different
programming
languages
might
have.
E
Yeah
I
mean
it's
it's
a
it's.
A
little
ambiguous
I
mean
they're,
really
looking
at
energy
consumption
questions
and
we
discussed
the
possibility.
You
know
a
couple
of
different
approaches.
One
would
be
to
look
at
a
hosting
provider
like
Amazon
or
Azure,
and
get
some
real
world
data
on
what
things
consumed.
What
kinds
of
programs
consumed?
What
energy
I
think.
One
of
the
gaps
that
need
to
be
resolved
is
understanding
how
they
will
count
idle
time.
I
think
a
lot
of
compute
energy
consumption
actually
occurs
when
nothing's
happening.
E
Their
core
question
seems
to
be
to
want
to
understand
how
software
written
to
do
the
same
thing,
so
common
algorithms
consume
more
or
less
act,
energy
based
on
the
language.
So
that's
a
that's
a
question
that
can
be
answered
in
a
laboratory
setting
where
we
just
write
the
same
algorithm
and
a
number
of
different
languages
and
evaluate
the
energy
consumption
and
I
like
I
said,
though
the
the
tricky
part
will
be
when,
if
we
hear
back
from
them
is
how
do
we
account
for
the
idle
time?
E
Yeah
I
think
it
was
Texas
a
m
but
yeah
they
had
done
some
very
some
very
basic
initial
studies,
but
with
unsophisticated
algorithms.
So.
D
E
I
think
so
I
think
they
probably
do
know
who,
like
what
executables
are
being
run
on
all
of
their
systems,
because
they're
virtual
machines
and
they
would
have
access
to
the
processes
and
things
I
I,
would
be
surprised.
I
I
won't
be
surprised
if
they
won't
share
that
data,
but
I
would
be
surprised
if
they
didn't
have
it.
A
A
You
know
I,
think
kind
of
anyway,
I
think
maybe
you'll
need
a
little
more
information.
Yeah.
E
And
they
took
our
info,
but
I
don't
think
we
grabbed
theirs.
Okay,
so
it's
kind
of
a
wait
and
see
okay,
well,.
E
D
A
B
A
A
B
A
B
A
A
A
A
whatever
send
them
poker
chips.
You
know
that
kind
of
thing.
A
A
A
B
A
A
C
A
Okay,
well,
for
the
time
being,
let's
just
take
a
look
at
these
two
okay,
as
related
to
that
one.
Okay,
all
right
cool
sounds.
C
A
A
Yeah,
okay,
cool
speaking
of
that,
let's
move
on
to
the
last
thing
we
have,
which
was
there
are
two
event:
location,
metrics.
A
A
Example,
maybe
in
the
future,
but
like
that
we
try
not
to
just
make
everybody
come
to
California
all
the
time
for
every
chaos
event.
So
that's
really
what
this
metric
is
about
and
then
event,
location
inclusivity
is
about
kind
of
the
the
government
or
or
like
the
the
specific
location
and
how
friendly
or
unfriendly
that
particular
location
is
like,
for
example,
to
lgbtq
plus
individuals
and
that's
what
this
is
about.
A
So
it's
not
really
about
even
ensuring
that
you're
globally
located
but
you're,
also
thoughtful
about
if
you're
working
globally,
you're
also
thoughtful
about
like
where
you
are
globally.
You
know
what
I
mean
that
you
don't
just
say:
well,
we
were
in
in
Asia
and
you
end
up
in
a
country.
It
doesn't
isn't
very
inclusive.
A
As
a
single
metric
around
say,
like
event,
locations
or
event,
location
inclusivity
like
because
I
to
me,
even
if
we
say
like
event,
location
inclusivity,
that
could
cover
kind
of
both
that
were
being
inclusive
of
a
global
community
and
we're
also
thoughtful
about
when
we
land
in
a
particular
country
that
we're
thinking
about
kind
of
the
the
laws
that
exist
within
that
country.
So
I
was
thinking
that
maybe
we
could
just
take
event
locations
and
put
it
into
event
locations
inclusivity.
A
D
A
All
right,
so
the
cool
thing
is:
if
we
bring
them
together,
we
get
rid
of
another
row,
so
that
would
potentially
be
that's
all
I
really
care
about
it's
getting
rid
of
us.
We
could
potentially
just
remove
one
of
these
rows
just
by
bringing
these
two
together
here
and
I.
Think
the
nice
thing
is
too.
Both
of
these
have
quite
a
bit
of
content
in
them.
A
Okay,
cool
anybody
want
to
take
a
look
at
that
about.
D
A
D
A
B
D
A
A
C
Yeah,
maybe
just
a
little
yeah,
so
last
week,
midi
one
month
since
I
started
the
survey
and
we've
had
over.
We
have
about
a
total
of
80
persons,
opened
the
the
survey
form
and
just
16
persons
completely
went
through
the
survey
and
so
I
reached
out
to
Matt
that
the
last
time
we
discussed
about
this
we
said
the
one-on-one
course
would
be
a
lot
better
since
the
indication
for
people
indicating
interest
to
be
interviewed,
it's
not
really
going
as
we
thought.
C
Only
one
person
dropped
their
email
so
far,
so
I
reached
out
to
Matt
to
find
out
if
we
can
actually
start
reaching
out
to
people
to
see
if
they
were
interested
in
participating.
But
I
also
have
to
curate
the
response
we
had
so
fast,
so
I'm
going
to
drop
the
link
to
I,
created
it
in
a
Google
doc.
C
You
can
also
go
over
this
I
like
most
of
the
response
that
people
have
given
and
for
persons
that
completed
the
16
persons
that
completed
it
to
the
end.
This
is
your
response
and
I
created
these
questions
in
particular,
because
these
are
the
questions
that
had
most
most
interactions
on
them
and
so
so
far.
This
is
what
we
have
any
thoughts
on.
This
I
really
appreciate.
C
Yeah
sorry,
the
text
is
a
bit
too
small.
Let
me
try
and
increase
the.
A
C
From
the
feedback,
majority
of
the
participants
are
not
aware
of
chaos,
nor
are
they
aware
of
the
chaos
metrics.
That's
what
the
the
response
they're
feeling
indicates.
However,
most
persons
went
to
the
point
of
expressing
their
thoughts
on
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
in
communities
that
they've
participated
in,
but
when,
when
it
comes
to
like
their
thoughts
on
Dei
and
Chaos
metrics,
we
have
very
few
engagements
with
questions
like
that,
but
we
also
got
some
feedback
from
other
persons.
C
That
say:
they've
used
the
chaos
metrics
for
the
events,
and
it
has
helped,
especially
for
the
in-person
events
and
the
pandemic,
and
all
of
that
so
I
think
we
also
have
good
feedback
from
the
survey
as
well.
A
So,
based
on
based
on
that
like
are
there
you
know:
do
you
think
that
it
would
be
about
questions
more
focused
just
on
the
community
work?
You
know,
because
I
think
the
interview
questions
were
going
to
kind
of
be
follow-ups
under
the
assumption
that
people
were
participating
with
some
of
the
chaos
metrics,
and
if
there's
not
a
lot
of
that,
do
you
think
the
interviews
would
change
a
lot.
C
A
C
I,
guess
that's
why
we
got
very
few
feedback
regarding
the
chaos
metrics
from
them,
because,
as
I
went
through
the
response,
I
noticed
that
majority
of
the
persons
have
not
even
like
and
in
as
much
as
I
indicated,
the
link
to
the
girls
metrics
and
the
questions
we
also
had.
Very
few
persons
indicate
interest
that
they're
familiar
with
it.
Okay,.
A
C
I
guess
that's
the
reason
for
that,
so
I'm
hoping
there
will
be
a
way
to
go
about
this.
So.
A
So
then,
like
the
interviews
wouldn't
necessarily
yeah
I
guess,
because
only
one
person
left
their
email,
so
the
interviews
in
a
second
round
would
be
trying
to
identify.
People
who
do
engage
with
the
Dei
metrics.
Is
that
right.
A
C
Yeah
that
that
would
be
a
good
part,
because
I
think
one
of
the
persons
that
went
through
this
survey
has
applied
for
a
Dei
badge
before
and
their
feedback
was
how
did
the
I
metrics
helps
their
event,
which
I
think
was
a
really
good
feedback,
so
I
think
if
we
had
reached
out
or
if
we
had
more
persons
that
have
gone
through
the
Dei
badging
process,
we
would
have
gotten
really
good
updates
on
that.
Okay,.
A
A
You
know
so
like
badging,
we
know
and
like
kind
of,
if
you're
engaging
with
the
metrics
kind
of
in
a
badging
context
like
how
is
it
helping
you
and
if
you're
engaging
with
the
metrics
say
as
an
internal
organization,
you
know
to
try
to
support
efforts
internally
to
an
organization.
How
are
the
metrics
helping
you
or
how
is
chaos,
helping
you
articulate
those
metrics?
A
You
know
what
I
mean
like
we
may
be
able
to
think
about
reaching
out
to
folks
in
different
settings
or
different
contexts
that
we
kind
of
know
as
to
how
they're
engaging
with
the
Dei
metrics
does
that?
Does
that
make
sense.
A
So
I
mean
I,
think
a
few
of
the
contexts
and
maybe
I
should
write
these
down.
I.
Think
a
few
of
the
contexts
are
things
like
it's
clearly
badging,
so
I
might
want
to
say
like
internal
work,
so
like
are
the
metrics
helping
shape
the
way
people
think
about
internal
projects?
Thank
you,
I'm.
Also,
thinking
that
the
chaos
here
I'll
share
my
screen.
A
Okay,
let's
say
internal
positions,
I'm
wondering
if,
if
how
many
people
are
like,
they
have
metrics
that
they
are
using
around
Dei
internally
and
Chaos
can
serve
as
a
place
to
kind
of
publish
those
metrics.