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Kevin
to
your
point,
I
think
you're
right.
I
think
we
should
maybe
look
at
this
a
little
more
because
it's,
I
think
the
original
uh
idea
came
from
just
github
reactions
on
issues
um
you
know
just
because
you
can
easily
click,
but
you
know
as
you're
talking
it.
It
could
be
applicable
to
even
twitter
or
other
things,
so
um
yeah
and
and
also
matthew,
to
your
point
too,
we
don't
want
to
count
those
as
the
same
you
know,
our
reactions
are
not
equal,
so
um
yeah.
I
think
it's
maybe
a
little
deeper
conversation.
A
Yeah,
actually,
the
the
university
of
minnesota
did
a
study
that
showed
that
a
react
they
actually.
The
platform
makes
a
difference
too.
So
one
smiley
face
on
an
iphone
communicates
a
different
smiley
face
on
an
android
device
and
the
actual
what
is
received
communicates
a
different
reaction
than
what
is
sent.
So
there
are
platform
specific
discontinuities.
E
It
does
seem
like
it's
sort
of
measuring
the
engagement
with
a
particular
issue.
Where
I
mean
it
does
say
something
if
there's
400
smiley
faces
and
500
thumbs
down.
It
says
something
about
that
issue
that
people
are
engaged
with,
that
it
doesn't
necessarily
communicate
much
more
than
that,
but
maybe
that's
the
intent
here.
F
E
A
B
Tension
yeah
in
the
in
the
dabbish
work
signals
of
attention
are
used
in
uh
used
to
help
coordinate
right,
so
they
they
signal
approval
or
disapproval,
uh
and
it's
it's
a
way
that
uh
uh
in
flattened
hierarchies
uh
people
who
are
doing
the
work
can
can
kind
of
understand
what
they're
doing
in
these.
uh
These
kind
of
uh
loosely
coordinated.
B
A
F
A
I
think
it's
well,
I
think
both
are
communicated
right
if
there
are
a
lot
of
them
that
definitely
signals
engagement
if
they're
valenced
in
one
particular
way
or
another,
and
I
think
emoji
has
evolved
to
the
point
where
it's
well
beyond
positive
and
negative.
There
there
are
arranged
I
mean
like
how
do
you
interpret
a
poop
emoji?
I
don't
know.
A
A
B
E
F
D
B
F
F
E
In
my
own
experience
again
and
n
equals
one
here,
but
the
in
professional
study
settings
you
might
see
like
just
a
like,
plus
one
regularly
for
people
reviewing
things,
but
sometimes
it's
noticeable
in
a
project
when
suddenly
some
random
comment
on
github
has
8
000
people
giving
it
a
thumbs
down
or
something
like
that
when
it's
some
super
controversial
thing,
that's
made
hacker
news
and
then
it
indicates
something
about
that
issue.
But
that
is
pretty
unusual
to
see.
So
I
would.
A
E
You're
looking
if
you
want
to
use
this
as
like,
oh
is
there
something
if
you're
monitoring
the
community
and
there's
suddenly
an
issue
that
you
didn't
know
about?
That
shows
up
on
your
dashboard
that
has
5
000
comments
when
normally
there's
one
or
zero
right
tell
you
that
something
is
going
on,
and
then
you
sure
follow
that
up.
B
A
B
So
it's
kind
of
it's
those
three
things
right,
so
big
spikes
as
matthew
said,
uh
can
alert
you
to
something
uh
can
alert
you
to
the
thing
that
georg,
is
pointing
out
towards
the
top
right.
How
important
an
issue
is,
uh
however,
the
majority
of
the
time
it's
probably
more
connected
to
kind
of
sentiment
or
just
the
coordinating
activities
of
a
project.
So
it's
probably
those
three
things.
F
C
A
B
B
Maybe
this
is
a
filter
that
shows
up
in
these
other
metrics,
but
at
the
same
time
uh
we
do
need
a
little
more
understanding
of
what
it
is
in
order
to
apply
it
as
a
filter.
Right,
although
metrics
can
be
filters
too,
so
we
could
define
it
as
a
metric
and
then
use
it
as
a
filter
exactly
the
way.
This
pull
request
is
recommending.
E
B
B
I
think
that
filter
would,
it
would
appear
differently
in
different
metrics
right.
So,
if
we're
looking
at
these-
uh
and
I
I'm
sorry-
I
forgot
what
uh
reactions
if
we're
looking
at
these
reactions
in
a
in
a
metric
that
has
to
do
with
sentiment.
Analysis,
then
that
that
the
filter,
uh
all
of
a
sudden
it
does
become
you
know,
thumbs
up
and
thumbs
down,
becomes
important.
B
Okay,
uh
but
it's
a
it's
a
filter
on
burstiness.
I
think
I
think
it's
a
filter
on
all
of
this,
all
of
those
metrics
that
were
discussed,
uh
but
I
still
think
it.
I
think
it
means
those
three
things,
so
I
think
we
probably
do
need
to
define
it
as
a
metric
and
then,
if
it's
applied
as
a
filter,
we
probably
need
to
unpack
that
a
little
bit
on
how
it's
being
applied
all
right.
So.
A
E
A
D
C
D
C
C
C
A
D
B
B
A
So,
and
and
moving
this
to
common,
totally
total
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
we
just
have
to,
and
we've
done
this
before,
we
would
have
to
bring
the
if
it's
a
filter
on
some
things.
We
would
just
bring
it
back
to
those
metrics
in
evolution,
so
as
in
all
cases
where
this
lives
is
not
critically
important,.
A
A
Like
yeah,
I
don't
care
where,
where
it
lives.
um
My
suggestion
is
that,
um
since
we
have
matthew
here
that
we,
uh
like
the
next
item
that
we
maybe
address,
are
these
individual
and
organizational
credit
contribution.
Credit
metrics
um
that
you
know
we,
I
think
that's.
I
think
we
can
actually
make
some
progress
fleshing
those
out
based
on
what
we
know,
but
I'm
also
open
to
just
proceeding
in
the
order
of
the
agenda,
which
was
given
no
thought
whatsoever
other
than
the
copying
and
pasting
of
last
week's.
C
E
Well
I'll,
say:
well,
it's
not.
We
don't
have
pull
requests,
drupal.org
predates
github.
So
on
an
issue
whenever
we
commit
code
or
we
have
issues
for
other
things
like
you
have
a
meeting
or
you
present
at
a
conference,
you
can
get
credit
in
the
drupal
community
and
when
you
get
credit,
then
you
are
able
to
attribute
your
work
to.
F
E
E
A
box
that
says
I
did
this
as
a
volunteer
okay.
So
if
I'm
doing
work
on
public
media,
which
means
something
to
me,
I
might
also
volunteer
my
time
in
the
evening.
So
it
could
be
all
three.
I
could
be
doing
something
for
my
employer
for
a
client
and
as
a
volunteer,
or
I
could
just
be
doing
it
for
my
employer
or
what
else.
So
we
have
that
on
every
issue
and
we.
F
C
Okay,
yeah
listening
to
that,
uh
whatever,
like
I'm
trying
to
connect
it
with
the
evolution
like
I,
I
see
the
importance
of
this
work
which
you
have
proposed.
I
really
appreciate
that,
but,
like
I'm
trying
to
see
how
it
evolved,
does
it
show
any
evolution
over
the
period
of
time?
Are
we
tracking
any
kind
of
evolution
in
that?
That's
what
my
only
concern
was.
E
E
Therefore,
the
way
we
have
used,
these
data
has
been
to
create
a
page
on
drupal.org
that
lists
all
of
the
drupal
or
organizations
that
are
contributing
to
the
project
in
the
goal,
whether
it's
a
good
goal
or
not,
because
as
I've
been
researching
leaderboards
and
know,
there's
a
lot
of
um
of
issues.
There
is
to
incentivize
organizations
to
have
their
their
people
show
up.
So
they
show
up
on
this
marketplace
page,
so
they
contribute
more
to
the
project.
E
E
We've
seen
that
grow
we've
seen
volunteerism
uh
decline
slightly,
so
I
think
it
it's
given
us
a
lot
of
insight.
um
There's
a
we
publish
a
report
each
year
talking
about
all
of
these
different
issues
about
how
we
give
credit
it
also
um
combined
with
using
issues
for
other
things,
like
um
speaking
at
conferences,
and
all
that
like
it,
because
we
use
issues
in
such
a
broad
way
like
every
time.
I
do
a
meeting
for
an
initiative,
I'm
involved
in.
E
We
have
an
issue,
everybody
who
attends
can
get
credit
so
like
if
we
used
this
on
the
chaos
project
right
now.
In
this
meeting
we
would
have
the
meeting
we'd
have
the
minutes
in
an
issue
and
then
all
five
of
us
could
say
we
are
contributing
to
chaos,
and
then
we
could
also
say
I'm
doing
this
on
behalf
of
my
employer.
It
probably
wouldn't
be
for
a
client,
you
could
also
say
you're
volunteering
whatever
it
might
be,
and
it
tells
us
a
lot
about
how
people
are
participating
into
what
level.
E
Of
the
different
kinds
of
metrics
that
that,
like
the
apache
maturity
model,
the
lightweight
needs
assessment
and
a
lot
of
these
other.
The
fine
ass
things
talks
about
organizations
and
the
desire
for
this
kind
of
thing.
So
I
think
folks
do
use
it
as
a
way
to
grow
the
community,
but
it
definitely
can
go
anywhere.
Oh
really,.
C
C
C
E
ah
That's
interesting
so
um
I'll
just
make
a
comment
on
the
value
a
number
of
people
have
said
value.
It
might
be
a
good
place
for
this
to
go.
So
I
asked
the
question
yesterday
in
the
meeting
about
where
this
could
happen,
because
I
have
a
my
client
I
meet
with
them
at
the
same
time
every
week
as
the
value
working
group
meets,
so
I
couldn't
actually
go
to
that.
So
that's
why
I'm
here
so
that's
another.
Like
practical
thing,
where
I
asked
yeah
yeah.
C
C
A
F
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
note
that
we
do
have
a
metric
called
types
of
contributions
that
touches
on
this,
because
it's
it's
aimed
to
capture
that
data.
So
I
I
just
uh
linked
it
in
the
chat,
but
uh
we
might
want
to
look
at
that
and
see
how
this
metric
would
would
fit
with
that
or
link
to
that
or
how
that
works
together.
F
B
B
E
F
B
E
So
getting
a
sense
of
the
diversity
a
lot
of
times,
you're,
maybe
not
even
doing
something
for
your
employer,
so
they
may
assume
you're
doing
that,
but
maybe
you're
doing
it
on
your
own
time.
So
that's
that's
another
interesting
thing:
the
finest
community
community,
for
example.
They
they
look
at
the
that's
the
financial.
Maybe
you
guys
know
this
already.
The
financial
technical
group
um
that.
B
C
The
title
contribution
credit
feels
like
okay.
Yes,
we
are,
we
are
not
uh
focusing
on
individual
organization,
we
are
looking
at
uh
giving
the
credit
to
the
whoever
is
contributing,
whether
organization
individual,
representing
client
or
whatever.
This
is
I
I
like
kevin's
idea,
keeping
like
contribution
credit
as
a
rhetoric.
E
Yes
and
I'll
say
that's
how
we
use
it
in
drupal,
although
the
terminology
varies,
some
people
call
it
attribution
credit.
Some
people
call
it
issue
credit.
Some
people
call
it
contribution
credit.
We
settled
on
using
the
the
phrase
issue,
credit,
because
all
of
these
are
connected
to
an
issue.
um
Now
that's
different
with
github,
because
they
don't
use
the
phrase
issue,
um
but
that's
what
it
comes
down
to.
Is
it's
not
a
co?
It's
not
just
a
code
credit.
It's
a
contribution,
so
contribution
does
seem
to
me
like
a
good
way
of
measuring
this.
E
They
approach
this
fundamentally
from
a
position
of
wanting
to
give
credit
to
the
right
people
that
they
see
doing
good
work
and
wanting
to
include
as
many
people
in
that
as
they
can
as
a
way
of
extending
beyond
just
code
contributions,
so
that
that's
that
that,
and
this
specifically
enticing
organizations
to
um
uh
sponsor
their
employees
to
give
credit.
So
um
I
I
like
the
contribution
credit
as
a
as
a
title,
if
that
makes
sense
to
you
guys
as
well,
but
those
are.
C
A
B
C
B
E
I
just
I
pasted
in
a
recent,
the
most
recent
report
um
to
talk
about
the
specific
questions
that
we
we
answer
using
the
the
data
from
our
issue
credits.
But
you
know
we
answer
the
question
who
is
working
on
uh
you
know:
what
are
we
working
on?
How
much
of
the
work
we
can't
the?
What
are
we
working
on
doesn't
necessarily
tie
to
organizations,
but
then
we
can
say
how
much
of
the
work
is:
sponsors
who's,
sponsoring
the
work
and
then
how
diverse
is
the
community.
E
D
E
E
Task
level
right
we're
measuring
this
as
anybody
that
contributes
to
a
particular
contribution.
So
whether
that's
a
I
mean
again,
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
chaos
is
dictating
here
or
making
assumptions
about
whether
it's
a
code
contribution
or
not,
because
that's
kind
of
another
interesting
issue
is
that
do.
F
E
E
They
will
include
the
people
as
like
an
attribution
to
say
these
are
the
people
that
contributed
to
this
commit
which
is
different
than
these
people
were
part
of
this
contribution,
or
there
was
no
actual
commit
to
a
code
repository
so
yeah,
so
that
that's
awesome
that
we
can
then
it
means
the
way
we
can
approach.
This
metric
is
not
to
be
code.
Centric,
yes,
okay,.
A
C
Me
so,
but
the
question
is,
are
we
focused
on
the
base?
The
contribution
is
given
or
we
are
focused
on.
The
contribution
is
given,
because
the
first
question
is
how
credit,
which
feels
like
uh
looking
at
the
different
ways
the
contribution
is
given
and
the
other
one
which
I've
written
is
like
who
has
contributed
is
like
bifurcating,
individual
organization
or.
B
C
B
A
So
I
changed
how
and
using
what
heuristics
are
credits
given
for?
I
guess
I
shouldn't
cross
out
four
for
contributions
to
an
open
source
project,
um
and
I
don't
know
if
her,
I
don't
know
if
they're
neces
matthew's
strategy
at
drupal
is
more
than
heuristic
there's
an
actual
formula,
but
my
my
impression
is,
of
course,
like
I've
done
this,
like
with
weighted
social
net.
I
mean
I've
done
this
a
lot.
E
Yeah
I
referenced
this
in
a
post
that
the
chaos
community
email
list
yesterday,
but
we
had
that
specific
problem
of
people
gaming.
The
system,
writing
bots
to
add
issues
to
to
be
able
to
get
credit
for
certain
things
where,
um
like
you
know,
changing
a
a
style
thing
across
the
whole
drupal
project
um
really.
E
A
patch
and
it
it
was
useful,
but
ultimately
it
it
created
this
sense
this
um
this
these
people
clearly
were
not
contributing
in
the
same
way.
So
then
we
had
a
we
created
a
you
know:
we
created
the
weights
and
measures
and
then
that
had
negative
that
had
positive
and
negative
results
in
that
people,
people
that
um
that
had
worked
really
hard
to
get
their
companies
up
on
this
page
again.
This
is
the
problem
with
the
leaderboard,
but
this
is
how
this
data
these
data
are
used.
E
They
felt
like
their
contributions
were
suddenly
devalued
like
they
were
no
longer
important.
They,
they
felt,
you
know,
really
upset,
and
then
we
formed
a
committee
to
look
at
this
to
try
and
come
up
with
different
weights.
Oh
god,
that's
the
surest
way
to
kill
something
interviewed
a
whole
bunch
of
ceos
and
other
leaders
and
companies,
and
then
did
a
survey
and
then,
ultimately,
everybody
kind
of
said.
There's
no
way
to
really
wait
this
to
say
here's
the
best
way
to
do
it,
because
every
time
they
played
with
the
numbers
we
had
all
these
sample.
E
Spreadsheets
and
whatnot
people
were
left
out
and
we
said
well
wait
a
second
well
that
company's
been
doing
all
this
work
and
they
should
you
know
so.
You're
I
mean
I'm
just.
This
is
like
anecdotal
evidence
to
support
what
sean
just
said,
um
which
is
it's
really
hard,
the
the
what
we
do
with
these
data,
I
think,
is
super
tricky,
but
I
think
you
are
pretty
safe
in
using
this
to
look
at
way.
Look
at
like
what
organizations
are
contributing,
how
many
people
are
volunteers.
E
Those
types
of
things
without
using
the
sort
of
leaderboards,
I
think,
is
really
valuable
because
you
can
see
these
things
over
time,
but
in
that
that
image
you
just
put
in
like
that
just
shows
one
way
that
we
use
this,
where
we
can
see
yeah
where
so
like.
It's
not
actually
used
all
that
much
for
events
and
governance
and
those
types
of
things
it's
mostly
used
for
are
contributed.
There's
fifteen
thousand
contributed
modules
in
drupal
or
something
like
that,
and
then.
A
A
Yeah-
and
I
think
I
think,
we've
we
focused
so
events
has
been
a
focus
in
the
badging
program
because
it's
signifi,
it's
like
exponentially
easier
to
ask
the
questions
and
make
an
assessment
about
an
event
than
it
is
to
actually
go
through
the
history
and
life
cycle
of
an
entire
repository
and
all
of
its
little
dark
corners
to
to
assess
that
for
diversity
and
inclusion,
and
so
in
general.
I
think
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
metrics
pertaining
to
events.
A
I
think
the
badging
program
is
a
an
outlier
just
because
hey
we
can
actually
measure
this
uh
in
in
the
event.
But
it's
much
more
difficult
to
measure
at
the
repository
level
and
oh,
my
gosh,
we're
six
minutes
over
I've
been
so
into
this
conversation
that
I
neglected
to
note
that.
But
we
got
a
metric
started.
So
I'm
super
stoked
about
that
and
we
boiled
we
boiled
two
metrics
into
one,
which
is
great,
uh
and
I
suggest
we
continue
this
metric
and
try
to
give
it
a
finishing
touch
after
some
thought.
Next,
in
two
weeks,.