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A
And
so
being
being
part
of
the
open
source
program
office
at
alejandro,
we
are
interested
very
much
in
just
well
we're
at
the
beginning
phase
of
everything
yeah
all
our
projects.
I
think
most
of
them
are
monitored
through
lfx
insights,
but
we're
not
doing
much
with
it
and
so
in
general,
I'd
like
to
get
a
handle
on
on
metrics,
and
I
see
chaos
as
the
main
source
of
information
about
that
and
actually
pushing
the
boundaries
pushing
forward
great
I'd
like
to
join
there.
Yeah.
B
Great
so
the
yeah,
the
evolution
working
group,
as
you
probably
know,
since
you're
here
we
focus
on
growth,
maturity
decline.
You
know
just
understanding.
I
think
the
what
I
would
call
the
fundamental
metrics
that
have
long
been
monitored
in
open
source
yeah,
the
activity.
C
B
Activity
level,
kinds
of
things
and
engagement
and
participation
and
stuff
like
that
and
so
kind
of
the
way
that
chaos
thinks
about
metrics
is
we
have
these
working
groups
and
you
were
in
the
meeting
yesterday,
so
you
know
we
use
the
working
groups
to
define
metrics,
but
often
it's
some
bricolage
of
metrics
from
multiple
working
groups.
That
are
what
people
use
to
understand:
the
health
and
sustainability
of
different
projects
and,
and
so
how
people
use
metrics
is.
B
I
would
maybe
the
word
orthogonal
to
how
we
actually
do
the
work
of
defining
the
metrics
in
a
sense
because
we
use
like
I
said
we
use
them
in
collections,
that
cross
working
group
boundaries
quite
frequently,
and-
and
we
have
a
couple
technologies,
auger
and
gremore
lab
that
are
part
of
the
project
that
kind
of
put
these
together
and
make
them
visible
to
people.
B
So,
okay,
I
wanna
just
ask
kevin
and
matthew
and
elizabeth
is
in
terms
of
where
we're
at
and
I'll
share
my
screen,
because
sometimes
it's
helpful
just
to
have
the
screen
shared,
so
we're
kind
of
on
the
same
page.
B
This
contribution
attribution
is
ready
for
review
and
we
kind
of
this
is
sort
of
taken
care
of
right
like
not
sent
the
email
out,
and
this
is
all
under
review.
So.
D
I
don't
know
if
he
sent
the
email
out
or
not
okay,
but
I'm
because
it's
not
live
on
the
website.
Yet
I'm
not
terribly
concerned
about
that
email.
Okay,
all
right!
So
I
think
when,
when
the
website
is
live,
I
have
a
to-do
list
of
metrics
that
I
need
to
pull
in
yeah
and
after
I
do
that
I
will
probably
reach
out
to
elizabeth
and
and
ask
if
she
can
kind
of
do
an
announcement
to
let
everyone
know.
They're.
B
There
so-
and
that's
actually
later
today,
that
we
are
moving
the
website
so
that
it's
on
a
new
hosting
provider
and
the
reason
so
the
reason
that
it's
not
released
is
is
that.
D
Yeah
and
technically
it
is
yeah
technically
it
is,
it
has
been
released
into
our
continuous
contribution
cycle.
It
just
doesn't
have
a
presence
on
the
website
currently,
and
the
website
is
that
is
that
main
point
of
presentation.
However,
the
issue
has
been
created,
so
we
can,
we
can
collect
comments
on
it
and
and
the
process
has
begun
so.
Okay,
excellent.
D
As
I
kind
of
hinted
to
earlier,
even
though
we
do
have
a
continuous
contribution
cycle,
the
the
active
review
period,
it
really
usually
occurs
30
days
before
the
the
official
release,
so
the
metrics
are.
The
metrics
are
open
for
review
at
that
time,
but
we
we
do
not
get
very
many
comments
until
we
get
into
that
30-day
review
cycle.
B
Yeah,
I
think
that's
that's
a
fair
characterization,
of
course,
so
with
with
that,
what
we
usually
do
with
these
meetings,
then,
is
sort
of
look
at
the
next
metrics
that
are
up
for
release,
and
it
looks
like
there's
two
that
we're
working
on
right
now:
reaction,
filter
pr
and
it
could
be
a
filter
on
a
number
of
metrics,
including
burstiness,
and
these
are
the
correct
me
if
I
am
misguided
here.
But
I
believe
these
are
the
things
like
the
emoticons.
B
When
people
have
a
reaction
to
a
comment,
emotion,
you
know
like
a
thumbs
up
or
100
or
whatever
the
available
things
are
in
in
a
on
a
platform,
so
they're
different,
of
course,
on
github
and
kit
lab,
but
they
they
share
common
properties
of
happiness,
sadness,
surprise,
shock,
love,
those
sorts
of
things.
D
Yes,
yeah,
and
I
we
talked
about
this
last
week
and
and
we
actually,
I
think-
we've
talked
about
it
prior
to
I've
kind
of
been
I'm
kind
of
in
favor
of
slowing
this
one
down,
okay,
because
I'm
not
exactly
sure
how
helpful
it
is
so
because,
because
because
emoticons
and
the
these,
these
reaction
emojis
have
different
meanings.
D
Just
counting
counting
the
number
of
emojis
that
may
occur
in
a
comment
doesn't
tell
us
anything.
So
the
and
the
conversation
in
the
conversation
that
you
and
I
had
last
week-
we
were
talking
about
you
know.
We
know
what
the
thumbs
up
means.
So
the
number
of
the
number
of
thumbs
up
signs
counting
that
may
mean
something,
but
counting
all
of
the
emojis
together.
D
B
D
What
oh,
this,
isn't
this
isn't
the
metric
one?
This
is
the
this
is
an
edit
to
the
template.
I'm
sorry,
I
was
confused.
We
also
have
a,
I
believe,
there's
also
discussion
of
creating
a
metric
to
handle.
Yes,.
F
F
C
D
It
could
still
be
a
filter,
but
it
needs
some
sort
of
definition
to
go
along
with
it.
D
E
C
E
E
You
know
that
kind
of
thing
it
just
if
the
part
of
the
intent
of
this
is
just
that
they
want
to
find
out
where
people
are
paying
attention
and
they
somehow
weren't
tracking
that
one
issue
or
something
I
could
see
how
somehow
I'm
having
a
metric
to
say,
wow
this
one
has
500
times
more
engagement,
but
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
intent,
I
might
be.
You
know
interpolating,
but
that's
the
example
that
keeps
coming
to
mind
with
this
one.
For
me,
I
think
that's.
D
That's
a
really
good
point
and
I
would
revise
the
way
I
think
about
it.
Based
on
that.
D
If
we're
looking
at
emojis
as
a
as
a
measure
of
engagement,
I
think
it's
it's
fair
to.
It
would
be
fair
to
have
that
metric
as
a
just.
F
F
D
That
might
an
engagement,
emoji
might
be
that
might
be,
or
I'm
sorry,
not
emoji.
An
engagement
metric
might
actually
be
too
high
level,
because
we're
kind
of
sorry
everything
that's
done,
you
know
in
a
project
that
we
can
count
is
is
kind
of
engagement
right.
So
how
many
prs
that
tells
how
much
engagement
there
is.
How
many
comments
that
tells
how
much
engagement
there
is
so
engagement
is,
is
more.
Is
this
high
level?
D
It's
it's
closer
to
a
focus
area
than
it
is
to
a
to
a
metric.
B
So
in
the
in
the
met,
this
is
for
for
nico.
This
is
nico
right.
B
Yeah,
sorry,
I
I
when
I
and
I'm
sharing,
I
can't
actually
see
people's
names
and
I'm
going
on
memory.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
wasn't
remembering
wrong
so
searching
the
this
is
a
metric
spreadsheet.
We
have
for
all
five
of
the
active
working
groups
and
the
word
engagement
isn't
present
in
any
existing
metric.
Nor
is
the
word
reaction
so
to
kevin's
question.
I
there
is
not
presently
anything
that
I
was
that
addresses
it.
A
Yeah
sorry
I
was,
I
was
looking
at
the
same
spreadsheet
and,
of
course,
there's
the
the
number
of
issues.
Just
yesterday
I
opened
I'm
not
sure
which
working
group-
sorry,
I'm
not
something
about
page
views,
that's
also
a
metric.
You
can
see
on
github
at
the
moment,
but
that's
not
really.
A
That
must
be
a
new
one,
yeah
yeah
yeah,
but
that
will
be
that's
not
really
engagement
in
the
sense
I
mean
that's
sort
of
passive.
You
just
open
the
page.
Look
at
it,
that's
it,
whereas
actually
putting
an
emoji.
Is
you
insert
information
in
so
I
I
guess
it's.
It's
sounds
like
it's
a
wording
and
we
need
to
have
a
more
specific
term
for
it.
D
I,
like
the
I,
like
the
term,
the
davish
uses
laura
davish.
She
refers
to
them
as
signals
of
attention,
okay,
which
I'm
sure
it's
there's
several
comments
throughout
this
discussion
about
them
being
referred
to
as
signals
of
attention,
and
if
we
do,
if
we
think
of
them
as
singles
signals
of
attention,
then
it
very
much
is
a
a
measure
of
engagement
right
and
it's
also
a
measure
of
those
signals
of
attention
can
be
used
to
inform
how
attentive
the
community
is
to
to
contributions
in
general.
Right.
E
B
Dashboards-
I
don't
I
don't
know
about
dashboards.
I
know
that
both
grimoire
lab
and
auger
do
capture
these
reactions,
and
these
it
looks
like
these
are
the
ones
available
on
github
there's,
eight
and
they're
captured
in
the
form
of
events.
So
each
pull
request
issue.
B
B
B
B
Yeah,
that's
okay,
I
mean
I'm
I'm.
Obviously
we
are
familiar
with
each
other's
stuff.
Yeah
I
mean
to
me,
it
looks
like
like
it
would
be
hard
for
me
to
distinguish
the
or
interpret
thumbs
up,
love
rocket
and
party
and
big
smile
like
pot
like
almost
these
are
all
positive
thumbs
down
and
frown
are
negative.
D
Okay,
so
it's
not
actually
like
a
not
a,
not
a
positive.
Well
done
thing,
it's
more
of
a
put
this
on
the
fast
track.
E
D
D
Yeah,
I
think
we,
I
think
we
need
to
avoid
making
value
judgments,
but
I,
but
I
do
think
we
can
in
in
retrospect
after
having
this
conversation,
I
do
think
we
can
move
forward
on
this
metric
and
I
think
we,
I
think,
you're
correct.
I
think
this
is
a
it's.
It's
a
measure
of
engagement.
B
And
is
the
is
the
interpretation
of
an
emoji
really
any
different
than
any
other
chaos
metric
and
so
far
as
what
we
always
say
is
that
we're
defining
a
metric-
and
this
gives
us
a
standard
definition
so
that
when
people
are
comparing
metrics
across
projects
using
a
chaos,
metric
they're
using
the
same
defined
metric-
and
it
might
not
be
right
in
every
way
that
a
person
wants
it
to
be
right.
But
it
is
consistent,
and
so
it
enables
comparison.
And
is
this
any
different
than
that?
D
I
think
the
language
in
that
pull
request
was
it
kind
of
treated
them
all
as
like,
plus
ones.
If
I
remember
correctly,
I
can
go
back
to
that
pull
request.
F
B
Right
to
me,
too,
reactions
number
of
thumbs
up
for
other
reactions.
D
Maybe
maybe
we
make
that
maybe
we
make
that
a
little
more
agnostic
and
say
something
to
be
the
the
number
of
emojis
that
that
signal
attention?
A
Yeah
I
like
the
word
attention
as
well
and
there's
one
thing
with
with
context.
Apart
from
the
the
emojis
having
different
contexts,
I've
sometimes
upvoted
out
of
frustration,
because
you
see
somebody
making
an
issue
or
progress.
It
doesn't
come
true,
but
you
want
to
support
it
and
and
so
that
the
thumbs
up
is
actually.
It
comes
down
to
the
project,
governance.
A
D
But
yes,
I
think
that
adjustment
that
adjustment
to
the
pr
would
fix
it
in
my
mind
and
then
I
would
I
would
say
we
could
probably
merge
it
so
for
the
adjustment
to
the
pr.
Could
you
could
you
repeat
the
language
so
we're
calling
those
reactions
currently
yeah
right,
so
it's
it
would
be
signals
of
attention
or
reaction
and
then
the
number,
the
number
of
emojis
that
signal
attention
to
an
issue.
B
And
is
is:
is
there
anything
we
want
to
say
about
balancing
of
the
emoji
so
that
some
emojis,
emojis
or
emoji
reactions
would
be
eva?
The
valence
of
the
reaction
is
interpreted
by
the
project
and
may
not
be
the
same
in
each
context.
D
I
think
we
saved
that
language
for
the
metric
if
we
define
if
we
define
if
we
define
these
reactions
as
a
metric.
I
think
that's
where
we
we
use
that
language
in
the
metric
and
I
and
I
and
I
do
think
it
would
be
appropriate
to
move
forward
with
creating
reaction
as
a
metric.
D
But
as
a
filter,
I
think
it's
just.
I
don't
think
we
want
to
get
too
complicated
with
descriptions
of
filters
in
in
metrics
documents
themselves.
Those
if
the.
If
the
filter
needs
a
description,
then
it
should
exist
within
a
metric
document,
its
own
metric
document.
Sorry,
the
goal
is
to
keep
the
the
metrics
documents
as
simple
as
possible
and
focused
on
the
the
actual
metric,
we're
defining
okay.
So
a
new.
B
Metric
what
we
call
right
now
in
the
spreadsheet
there
is
a
metric
listed
called
reactions
and
emoji.
Would
we
change
the
name
of
that
to
be
to
include
the
word
signal
or
how
would
what
would
be
the
name
of
this
proposed.
D
Metric,
so
if
the,
if
the
filter
is
called
reactions,
I'm
uncomfortable
with
the
name
reactions.
However,
you
know
you
know
when
we,
when
we
start
defining
this,
we
we
do
edit
and
have
discussions
about
the
names
as
we're
going
so
that
could
change.
I
think,
as
I
said
earlier,
I
like
signals
of
attention.
However,
if
we
used
signals
of
attention
in
the
description,
I
think
reactions,
reactions
is
fine,
so
just
a
reaction
is
a
a
reaction.
Is
a
is
an
emoji
that
signals
attention.
B
Right,
okay,
so
just
reactions
or
I
I
suggest,
I'm
suggesting
reactions
and
other
attention
signals.
Obviously
this
is
emoji,
I
don't
know.
Maybe
we
want
to
keep
emoji
in
it.
Yeah.
D
B
D
So
that
does
bring
up
the
question
of
so
in
in
in
our
other
name
in
our
with
our
naming
convention
we
are,
we
are
actually
kind
of
pulling
out
these
are.
These
are
change
request,
comments
versus
issue
comments.
D
D
B
Process,
quality-
and
it's
I
mean
it's,
I
guess
the
challenge
with
this
metric
is
it's
actually
it
spans
both
code,
development
and
issue
resolution.
F
B
F
B
B
B
My
my
only
my
only
reservation
is
that
it
can
be
applied
to
issues
and
issues
are
not
necessarily
code
development.
That's
why
we
know
that.
So
we
do
have
a
ratio.
D
Of
issues
to
change
requests
metric,
that
is
in
there
precedent,
yeah,
okay
and,
I
think,
they're,
I
think,
code
development
activity.
I
think
there's
a
lot
the
I
think
there's
room
to
look
at.
B
D
A
No,
I
I
there
was
more
as
a
sort
of
a
challenge
for
clarification,
because
I
don't
know
what
what's
in
the
description
of
the
comment,
but
okay
sounds
good
yeah.
I.
D
Will
say
for
so
for
the
metrics
we
have
here,
we
are
being
we're
being
very
explicit
with
a
lot
a
lot
of
the
evolution.
Metrics
are
things
that
that
we
can
count
that
git
lab
has
provided
us
that
github
has
counted.
That's
provided
us
so
there's
these
metrics
are
very
explicit
right,
so
change
requests
comments.
Is
it's
very
specifically
looking
at
the
number
of
of
comments
in
a
in
a
pull
request
right,
so
that
would
be
that.
Would
that
wouldn't
include
comments
in
an
issue.
B
B
All
right,
so
I
think
I
think
so
that's
resolved.
Do
we
want
to
go
back
then
and
suggest
this
language
and
reopen
that
pull
request
and
ask
that
it
be
changed
like
are
we?
I
think
I
heard
two
things
I
think
I
heard
we
want
to
develop
a
metric,
and
I
think
I
heard
we
want
to
have
the
language
and
the
pull
requests
that
we'd
closed
last
week
changed
to
this,
and
then
we
would
be
willing
to
merge
it.
Did
I
hear
that
right.
D
That's
what
I
said
I
don't
know
if
everyone
else
is
in
agreement.
B
B
B
Yeah
and
then
because
these.
B
A
B
B
E
B
D
B
Reactions
all
right,
okay,
so
the
pr
is
reopened
with.
D
B
Sir
sure
yeah
we've
gone
off
and
on
with
this
one
for
a
while
okay
before
we
do
that,
I
just
want
to
ask
nico
since
he's
new,
were
there
particular
metrics
that
you
were
interested
in
seeing
developed
in
the
in
you
know,
participating.
A
No
okay,
all
right,
like
I
mentioned
in
the
beginning,
I'm
I'm
I'm
mainly
here
to
learn
and
I'd
like
to
contribute
to
the
discussion,
but
otherwise
I
would
have
created
both
yes,
I
guess
so.
No.
B
Okay,
all
right,
so
our
usual
process
is
kevin.
I
think
you're
suggesting
that
we
would
bump
emoji
reactions
metric
up
ahead
of
change
request
commits
as
a
working
item
in
this
meeting
yeah.
I
just
worry
that
if
we
revisit
this
in
two
months,
we're
going
to
have
the
same
conversations
we'll
spend
20
minutes
reconstructing
the
same
conversation
right.
I
tend
to
agree
with
you
based
on
history,
so
the
first
kevin
do
you
have
the
link
to
the
template
handy.
D
D
D
It
is
so
there
is
a
link
to
it
in
one
of
the
yeah
it's
at
the
top
of
the
here
yeah.
I
do
have
it
handy.
D
I'm
sorry
I
forget
which
which
focus
area
are
we
we
decided
that
we
would
put
the
oops
sorry.
Oh
this
isn't
actually
I'm
sorry
nevermind.
This
isn't
hang
on.
That
might
be.
B
C
Yeah
josh
may
have
added
some
some
instructions
around
that
template
at
the
bottom,
which
is
why
it
might
look
different
because
I
don't
remember
seeing
all
that
stuff
before.
Maybe
it
was
there,
I
just
never
scrolled
down,
but
now
there's
guidance
on
how
to
like
refer
to
images
and
things
like
that.
B
D
And
then
the
the
preferred
the
preferred
way
of
working
with
these
is
to
use
the
the
suggesting,
rather
than
the
editing.
B
D
B
D
Yeah
so
get
rid
of
the
get
rid
of
the
bit.
That
says,
the
aim
of
this
metric
is
and
and
just
say,
the
number
of
emoji
reactions
on
any
get
platform
object
with
a.
B
B
Then
obviously
a
filter
could
be
a
type
of
emoji
emoji
platform
platform
would
occur
yeah.
I
agree,
I
think-
and
I
think
that's
important,
because
it's
funny
that
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
looked.
There
was
a
study
by
the
university
of
minnesota
about
how
different
emoji
looked
different
on
android
and
apple
platforms
and
actually
elicit
different
different
reactions
from
people
who
see
an
emoji
depending
on
the
platform
and
how
that
platform
sort
of
presents
that
emoji.
E
B
Yeah
and
in
the
united
states,
there's
of
course
the
I
I
really
struggle
with
what
there's
like
five
or
eight
different
skin
colors
that
my
thumbs
up
can
be,
and
I
I
just
like:
okay,
I'm
a
white
guy.
But
what
is
that
like
the
whitest
thing,
or
is
it
like
the
more
actual
skin
color
thing
you
know?
Am
I
appropriating
culture
if
I
use
a
darker
emoji
skin
color
that
I'm
supposed
to
who
decides
that
so
yeah
emoji
certainly
is
a
active
topic
of
active.
B
I
think
it's
also
this.
This
might
be
interesting,
I'll
share
it
in
chat,
there's
an
actual
style
guide
that
google
has
put
out
there
regarding
words
to
use
or
not
use.
B
Which
I
I
find
interesting
and
I
was
actually
made
aware
of
it,
because
I
turned
on
there's
a
new
github
service
called
prosbot
that
will
flag
text
that
you
use
in
in
different
things,
and
I've
turned
it
on
for
augur,
and
so
every
time
we
make
a
change
or
pull
request
the
prose
bot
scans
it
and
makes
me
aware
of
words
that
are
sort
of
indicated
to
be
avoided
in
the
in
the
google
style
guide
and,
like
I
think,
then
it
came
up
in
the
context
of
discussing
the
word
grandfathered,
where
something
was
grandfathered
in
which
is
a
common
term
in
the
us
for
okay
going
forward
everything's
going
to
be
this
way,
but
if
you've
already
got
something
you're
grandfathered
in
and
that
in
the
us,
that's
actually
a
term
that
can
trace
its
origins
back
to
our
slave
history.
B
B
E
B
B
Yeah
when
it
was
first,
you
know
I
was
looking
for
plug-ins
that
I
thought
would
be
helpful
for
augurs
auto.
You
know
automating
different
parts
of
the
work
that
we're
doing.
I
ran
across
it
and
I
thought
well.
This
is
useful
because
we
are
updating
a
lot
of
documentation.
B
B
B
Yeah,
so
git
lab
actually
enabled.
B
Yeah
get
gitlab,
I'm
looking
at
their
emoji
right
now.
They
literally
have
the
entire
universe
of
emoji
that
you
would
find
on
your
phone.
They
have
thumbs
up
and
thumbs
down
listed,
but
I'll
take
a
screenshot
of
this
and
put
it
in.
B
B
B
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
participating
today
and
your
active
engagement
and
we
even
got
started
on
a
new
metric
and
got
a
pull
request
reopened
and
gave
g-org
some
work
to
do
so.
Any
meeting
that
results
in
more
work
for
g-org
is
a
win
nice
to
keep
that
one
moving
forward.
Yeah
yeah!
Thank
you!
Everybody!
I'm
gonna,
stop
the
recording
and
we
meet
every
two
weeks,
we'll
be
back
here.
Whatever's
two
weeks
from
today,
it's
gonna
be
in
august,
so
it'll
be
july,
35th,
so
august,
4th
yeah!
B
That's
that's
not
my
calendar,
math
or
math
works,
because
I
had
when
it's
a
20
when
it's
a
when
a
day
of
the
week
is
a
total
of
american
football
touchdowns.
It's
much
easier
for
me
to
calculate
what
how
far
forward
14
is.