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A
A
So
that's
the
high
level
of
things
that
we
would
like
to
see.
We
have
been
growing.
We
are.
We
still
keep
on
growing.
There
are
a
couple
of
metrics
that
we'll
be
developing
within
our
community.
Sometimes
we
are,
we
are
stuck
when
we
don't
have
actual
data
like
concrete
data
to
work
on,
but
when
projects
like
this,
a
rich
well
established
project
is
joining
the
open
source
with
all
the
experiences
that
they
have
had
I
think
it's
a
plus
for
all
each
and
every
one
of
us
so
I.
A
What
I
envisage
is.
We
will
use
the
matrixes
in
the
diversity
like
diversity,
inclusion,
because
these
are
also
uh
things
that
we
could
measure
within
the
the
machine,
learning
or
a
kind
of
open
source
project,
and
we
have
couple
that
are
available
right
now
for
the
kind
of
things
that
Evolution
will
really
see
how
you
know
we
could
analyze
the
health.
A
Now
we
have
things
like
we
mentioned
biases.
We
have
Inc
underrepresentedness
in
in
subgroups,
which
is
something
that
we
discussed
uh
last
week.
I
think,
four
days
ago
we
had
an
International
Conference,
where
we
were
discussing
this
kind
of
concern
in
the
so
we
would
like
to
measure
and
try
to
build
Define
the
metrics
and
try
to
implement
it
to
see
how
we
could
enrich
and
how
chaos
could
also
enrich
many
other
open
source
projects
will
not
limit
it
to
our
account.
B
Oh
yeah,
just
trying
to
like
go
through
the
whirlpool
and
the
focus
areas
or
you
know
looking
at
how
you
start
with
like
pie,
touch,
and
you
know
the
success
of
fight
touch.
You
know
um
join
like
the
Linux
Foundation,
you
know,
you're,
not
Foundation,
project,
I.
Think
um
another
way
to
kind
of
like
look
at
things.
Moving
forward
might
be
too,
since
we,
since
the
evolution
working
group,
um
discusses
like
life
cycle
of
Open
Source
projects.
B
um
Looking
at
these
successful
I
wouldn't
say,
should
I
determine
success
or
open
source
project
and
seeing
the
different
things
or
learning
I
won't,
say
sorry,
but
taking
um
things
from
this
um
open
source
projects
that
you
know
have
evolved
over
the
years,
you
know
the
different
things.
Maybe
getting
feedback
from
the
projects
leads,
or
you
know
that
collaboration
and
how
they
have
been
able
to
evolve
things
over
the
years.
B
A
B
Like
the
the
project
we
were
carrying
out
with,
like
the
underrepresent
in
the
DI,
by
carrying
outwards,
seen
how
the
DI
Matrix
kind
of
like
resonates
with
underrepresented
people
in
open
source,
something
could
also
be
similar
to
how
looking
at
successful,
open
source
projects
and
how
you
know
they
are.
Their
success,
can
help
Define
future
metrics
or
even
reassess
on
Matrix.
C
uh
I,
the
only
thing
I
was
that
I
put
I
started
the
agenda
so
that,
if
we
want
to
capture
some
of
this,
then
we
have
a
place
to
do
it.
um
I
think
what
you're
both
saying
makes
complete
sense
and
I
think
that
evolution
in
some
kind
of
meta
way
and
the
evolution
working
group
is
also
evolving,
because
you
know
we've
been
traditionally
just
looking
at
like
this
low-hanging
fruit
of
different
things.
C
You
could
measure,
and
so
it's
been
like
pretty
straightforward
and
now
we're
kind
of
getting
into
like
the
meat
of
things
in
the
heart
of
it,
and
so
like
I,
think
the
things
that
we're
going
to
try
to
measure
are
harder
and
take
a
little
more
thought
and
effort.
So
I
think
it's
awesome.
That's
all
I
want
to
say:
okay.
A
Thank
you,
so
yeah
Ruth
I
really
agree
with
the
explanation
you
give
on
those
directive.
You
see
like
one
other
aspect,
that
we
set
this
kind
of
high
level
work,
because
in
this
Evolution
some
of
these
projects,
like
pytouch,
they
might
have
been
successful
in
terms
of
what
they
are
doing
in
machine
learning,
but
not
necessarily
on
the
open
source
practices,
because
those
are
areas
that
most
projects
don't
have
expertise
in
now
why
some
of
them
tend
to
be
successful?
It's
been
developed
by
academic
Community,
industrial
communities,
for
example,
Facebook
was
mainly
behind
pytouch.
A
Why
Google
is
behind
tension
flow
when
a
community
like
that
brings
in
academic
researchers,
some
of
them
at
times
work
with
the
algorithmic
aspect
of
it
to
make
things
work
and
the
kind
of
algorithms
that
they
have
been
writing
using
training.
Their
data
might
not
necessarily
compile
with
the
way
open
source.
Community
is
really
managed,
and
this
is
the
advantage
that
we
comes
in
to
say,
okay
now,
this
is
a
project
that
has
been
made
open
source
for
us.
It's
been
donated
to
this
community.
We
could
mine.
The
repository
that
is,
there
is
an
analysis.
A
We
call
mining
software
repository,
we
can
go,
we
can
analyze
the
repository
from
the
day.
It
started
to
see
how
it
evolves
over
time.
We
now
can
learn
patterns
that
emerges
over.
Let's
say
for
the
past
10
or
past
eight
years
we
could
learn
now
patterns
that
emerges.
We
could
now
see
some
bad
practices,
some
good
practices,
as
you
may
mentioned.
Now
we
could
do
those
things
quantitatively,
even
without
asking
their
opinion,
because
we
have
the
repositories.
A
We
could
learn
all
those
things
now
from
the
data
that
they
generated
over
time
and
that's
one
of
the
most
accurate
way
of
learning.
Then
we
could
also
reach
out
to
developers
who
are
like
maintenance
and
things
like
that
now
to
ask
them
perspective.
We
found
this.
What
were
your
thoughts
and
things
like
that?
Those
are
open
questions
that
are
across
the
across
time.
We
could
now
go
into
that
in-depth
to
really
see
you
see
like
we
mentioned
uh
biasis.
A
If
you
look
at
pytouch
one
of
the
common
libraries
that
they
have
been
using
in
image
classification,
they
collected
more
than
one
million
images,
let's
say
to
identify
or
to
predict,
if
something
it.
If
you
like,
between
different
classes
of
animals
handwritings
and
things
like
that,
some
in
most
of
those
data
set
that
they
have
majority
of
the
time
they
collected
it
from
a
a
set
of
group,
it's
not
too
representative.
A
A
Just
imagine
that
they
want.
We
want
to
collect
data
to
predict
if
you
are
driving
your
safe
driving,
come
just
giving
example
for
machine
learning
for
the
sake
of
pie.
Touch
that
we
are
talking
about.
You
want
to
identify.
If
somebody
or
an
object
coming
is
a
is
a
human
being.
It's
a
man,
it
looks
like
man,
woman,
a
kid,
an
animal
like
something
like
that.
Those
images
that
they
collected
over
time
will
help
to
identify
based
on
the
training
that
they
have
given
it
now,
I
mean
most
part
of
it.
A
They'll
collect
images
from
one
region
of
the
wall,
which
is
not
well
represented
in
other
regions,
so
we'll
be
looking.
We
can
look
into
this
kind
of
things
to
say.
Oh,
even
though
this
algorithm
seems
to
predict
and
differentiate
between
man
and
woman,
babies
and
things,
it
could
identify
the
kind
of
objects
it
is
dealing
with,
but
then
representativeness
is
not
well
structured.
How
did
they
collect
it?
A
So
those
are
the
the
benefits
that
those
things
are
bringing.
But
notwithstanding
it's
an
open
discussion.
We
have
the
data
right
now.
It's
interesting
right
now,
a
lot
of
things
at
our
disposal
to
really
move
on
to
different
level.
It
doesn't
limit
only
to
one
aspect
like
by
touch:
it's
just
something
that
came
like
on
the
news
of
recent
and
we
can
move
in
some
other
direction,
so
even
Matrix,
six
from
the
diversity
inclusion
from
common
all
these
other
areas
that
we
could
see
open
source
happening
when
they
are
joining.
A
Are
they
coming
with
values
that
we
could
learn?
Are
they
coming
with
things
that
we
should
capture
right
now
and
say?
Oh,
even
though
this
thing
is
a
plus
but
hold
on
might
be,
there
is
something
you
could
improve.
Just
imagine
we
Pro.
We
we
find
out
something
that
the
python
was
doing,
that
was
truly
anti-open
source
and
we
raise
a
red
flag
to
Linux
to
Linux
foundation
and
say:
oh
look
at
this
thing,
even
though
they've
become
open
source
right
now.
This
is
a
practice
that
we
could
amend.
It's
not
well
represented.
It's
not.
A
C
C
um
I
think
it's
like
something
that
could
be
the
future
of
chaos
as
we
grow,
so,
for
instance,
not
just
like
taking
the
evolution
metrics
and
looking
at
them
through
a
Dei
lens,
as
you
just
suggested,
but
also
like
looking
at
the
Dei
metrics
and
looking
at
them
from
a
risk
lens.
You
know
like
how
do
these
affect
the
risk
of
the
project
and
things
like
figuring
out
how
we
integrate
the
working
groups
yeah.
A
C
Besides,
just
a
metrics
model,
where
you're
you're,
just
taking
a
few
metrics
and
putting
them
together,
but
really
integrating
our
working
groups
together
and
using
all
these
different
lenses,
as
we
look
at
things,
um
I
think
is
really
where
the
chaos
project
can,
like
you
said,
provide
serious
value
to
the
open
source
World
in
general.
So
I
love
that
you're
starting
it
here,
because
we
haven't
really
to
my
knowledge
anyway,
made
a
concerted
effort
to
do
that
in
other
working
groups.
C
It's
we've
been
kind
of
acting
in
silos,
I
think,
um
but
I
think
that
this
would
be
a
great
um
framework
for
if
we
can
figure
out
how
to
integrate
those
other
working
groups
and
using
those
other
lenses
in
an
evolution
context,
then
we
have
a
framework
to
do
that
in
other
working
groups
as
well
yeah.
So.
A
And
you
see
one
other
areas
that
Evolution
it
important,
but
sometimes
not
really
felt
in
from
an
external
perspective.
You
know
when
we
talk
about
Evolution,
like
the
name
even
suggests
we
don't
just
survive,
but
we
try
to
create
the
next
generation
of
things
that
will
happen.
We
create
a
space,
a
framework
that
things
should
continue
and
expand
in
that
in
that
space,
and
then
you
see
a
sometimes
in
the
past
I
think
people
like
Jesus
Jesus,
I,
don't
know.
A
If
some
of
us
here
know
him,
he
did
a
very
great
work
and
I
think
they
were
one
of
the
people
with
grimo
lab.
You
remember
him.
Elizabeth,
Jesus,
yeah,
he's
still
part
of
the
community,
but
not
I
mean
he's
so
carried
out
with
other
works
elsewhere
he
mentioned
he
started
in
a
very
good
foot
in
most
areas
that
at
that
time
were
not.
A
My
myself
personally
was
not
really
like
seeing
what
he
was
saying
at
that
time,
but
now
I
think
I
have
the
the
the
vision
of
what
he
was
proposing,
Daniel
and
many
others
that
were
also
involved
at
that
period
in
time
and
I
think
this
is
something
that
will
really
expand.
Our
working
group
make
the
things
like
bringing
that
integration
aspect
of
it
and
really
grave
a
good
flow.
A
Why
we
will
still
keep
you
know.
It's
just
a
way
of
measuring
things
now
when
we
are
making
a
an
overview
from
an
external
view,
even
within
the
chaos
we
talk
with
with
some
degree
of
certainty,
we
don't
just
measure
I
mean
our
individual
groups
like
sorry,
like
our
individual
working
group,
where
we
try
to
see
the
implication
and
impact
that
they
can
also
create
within
the
open
source
world,
because
that
is
where
people
start
consuming.
C
Approach
a
lot
and
I
think
that,
um
as
you
mentioned,
also
there's
this
tie-in
to
research
and
data
and
I
think
that
chaos
is
in
a
really
good
place
to
help
with
that
or
to
I.
Don't
have
to
drive
that,
but
you
know
to
start
these
different
research
projects
even
to
verify
and
to
dig
deeper
in
some
of
this
data.
A
A
A
A
That
sounds
good,
because
there
is
a
lot
of
talk
right
now
going
on
about
my
sustainability
and
I.
Think
I'm
also
involved
with
the
open,
Stock
sustainability
group.
It's
really
a
major
concern
and
I
know.
We
already
have
this
discussion
going
on
here,
and
the
good
news
is
that
even
at
the
level
of
the
European
Union
I
remember
last
time
we
went
to
Germany
for
this
conference.
Even
the
European
Union
was
really
raising
awareness
and
trying
to
create
a
kind
of
sustainable
open
source
program,
but
they
don't
they
don't
yet
have
the
model
to
follow.
A
You
see,
they
know
that
this
is
an
issue.
This
is
a
problem.
They
know
that
there
is
a
benefit
from
open
source,
yeah,
so
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
chances
to
make
ourselves
visible
in
some
of
those
little
areas
and
things
like
that,
because
even
within
the
open
stack
that
we
are,
we
are
still
starting.
The
the
community
is
still
starting
from
scratch
now
to
see
how
they
they
could
start
implementing
or
measuring
things
at
that
level.
But
I
think
he
also
have
been
having
this
discussion
for
quite
some
time.
C
Yeah
I
think
that's
huge
I
think
that
sustainability
in
any
Community
is
a
huge
deal,
because
you
know
I,
think
um
I
think
you
want.
You
want
to
grow
your
community,
obviously,
and
you
want
it
to
evolve
and
mature,
but
at
the
same
time,
if
the
growth
rate
is
too
much
it
it's
unsustainable,
it
will
burn
everyone
out.
You.
B
A
These
are
already
indicators
that
we
could
pull
these
resources
together
and
start
looking
at
things
seriously
in
a
in
a
in
a
broader
way,
yeah
because
I
know,
especially
if
you
take
the
African
Community,
the
growing
rate
is
telling
a
story
already.
The
Asian
Community
is
telling
a
story
now.
If
we
try
to
analyze
that
within
chaos
itself,
we'll
see
some
directions
that
things
are
moving
in
a
way
that
might
be.
You
know
we
do
not.
A
We
were
not
even
expecting
like
what
you
said.
We
could
not
look.
You
know
we
could
now
do
some
kind
of
learning
process
because
we
have
a
well
I
can
I
will
not
use
the
word
we,
but
there
are
a
couple
of
theories
that
have
been
developed
for
quite
some
time,
like
what
you
said,
Elizabeth
to
bring
out
this
kind
of
Sweet
Spot.
It's
never
easy
to
to
figure
it
out,
but
it
is.
A
There
are
things
that
algorithms
that
you
can
run
on
certain
data
set
based
on
certain
domain
knowledge
and
things
like
that
to
learn
what
are
your
best
spots
at
this
giving
time
it
might
move
based
on
certain
external
conditions
as
well,
but
I
mean
people
have
risen
along
that
line,
it's
just
that
might
be.
We
need
to
implement
it.
Then
we
see
how
it
works
over
certain
realities,
because
each
person
may
have
their
own
Sweet
Spot,
which
differs
from
one
to
another.
Yeah.
C
Yeah,
which
is
why
we've
kind
of
stayed
away
from
adding
that
that,
like
prescriptive
element
like
where
this
is
good-
or
this
is
bad
or
you
know,
judging
because
everyone's
so
specific
to
their
own
context,
but
um
but
yeah
just
to
give
some
guidelines
you
know
of,
if
you
have
this
many
maintainers,
maybe
this
would
be
I
mean
a
sustainable
rate
of
growth
for
new
I.
Don't
know
you
know,
yeah.
C
We
were
um
talking
in
the
office
hours
about
Oktoberfest,
and
you
know
ways
that
we
can
contribute
or
participate.
I
should
say
as
as
a
chaos
the
community
and
what's
really
interesting
about
hacktoberfest
is
that
it's
meant
to
help.
You
know
open
source
projects
grow
and
um
you
know
get
more
mature
and
evolve
and
all
of
these
things-
and
it
ends
up
just
overwhelming
the
maintainers,
because
you
just
get
this
huge
influx
and
so
like
there's
this
disconnect.
You
know
between
this
initiative
and
what's
reality,
and
it
almost
like
I
mean
I.
C
Think
it's
better
now,
but
like
hacktoberfest
back
in
the
day
was
just
like
super
stressful
yeah.
Right
only
for
the
T-shirt
has
been
on
said
like
it
was.
It
actually
worked,
the
opposite
of
you
know,
helping
a
project
grow,
it
just
made
the
maintainers
feel
overwhelmed
and
burned
out,
and
wasn't
great
so
like
it
having
some
of
this
data,
and
these
metrics
could
also
inform
external
initiatives
that
are
trying
to
help
open
source
projects,
but
maybe
they
don't
have
the
data
behind
it
to
to
know
what
the
best
way
is
to
help
open
source
maintainers.
A
Yeah
and
that
I
agree,
because
a
lot
of
blog
posts
that
I
have
seen
and
read,
Around,
open
source
and
software
communities
in
general
are
like
most
opinated,
then
I
mean
even
though
there
are
some
serious
works
that
have
been
done.
Those
are
researches
with
concrete
I
mean
datas,
but
then
sometimes
the
blog
post
that
sells
out
so
fast
in
social
medias
for
and
things
like
that
has
hugely
opinated
by
people's
own
biases,
which
sometimes
you
know,
don't
tell
the
the
real
story.