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A
Yay
me
so
to
your
question
matt
about
like
how
like
what
is
the
scope,
I
think
is
this.
Like
this
document.
A
That's
a
good
question
right,
and
this
is
always
like
the
balance
we
have
in
the
chaos
project
as
to
like
how
much
do
we
just
kind
of
locate
people
in
the
right
spot
and
how
much
do
we
actually
tell
people?
What
is
right
and
what
is
wrong,
and
so
my
guess
is,
is
that
I
haven't
like
I
said
I
haven't
been
really
involved
in
the
development
of
this.
Just
my
guess
is
it's
more
just
kind
of
like
orienting
people
on
things
that
they
should
think
about
when
collecting
the
data?
A
A
B
Yes,
that
is
correct,
and
that
was
also
a
challenge.
Same
question
arises
in
the
community
meeting
is
how
detailed
we
want
to
go,
and
that
was
still
not
clear
in
the
community
like
it
can
be
as
detailed
as
much
or
it
can
be
like
just
a
checklist
for
others
to
think.
Okay,
if
we
are
doing
some
data
related
or
other
ethical
things,
they
should
be
like
aware
of
these
things
and
can
consider
those
things.
B
A
A
You
know,
reinforce
power
structures
or
reinforce
governance
structures
that
continue
to
to
not
support
inclusivity.
I'm
honestly,
I'm
just
thinking
out
loud
right
right
now,
right
are
there
any
considerations
as
we're
collecting
this
data
that
we,
but,
as
others
are
collecting
this
data
might
want
to
think
about
from
a
dei
perspective.
C
I'm
just
curious:
is
this
basically
outlining
like
what
happens
when
the
data
has
been
collected,
like
kind
of
like
data
at
rest
or
like
how
we're
using
it
after
it's
been
collected,
or
is
it
talking
about
how
we
go
about
collecting
it
as
well?
I
think
it's,
I
think.
A
E
All
right,
so
I
was
looking
I
I
was
thinking
about
all
the
the
gdpr
things
I've
come
across
and
two
of
them
that
I
didn't
see
in
here
originally
were
data
storage
and
data
security.
I'm
not
sure
how
you
want
to
split
this
up
or
put
it
into
different
buckets,
but
I
didn't
necessarily
see
those
in
there,
but
there's
something
that
they
care
a
lot
about
and
a
lot
of
documents
relating
to
data
ethics.
E
I've
been
kind
of
thinking
about
this
one
between
meetings
and
I
was
thinking,
there's
a
lot
of
really
good
documentation
on
data
ethics
that
already
exists,
and
I
want
to
know
what
we're
adding
that's
going
to
be
either
different
or
not.
So
so
I
know
we're
going
to
have
metric
specific
information,
but
I
know
I
don't
want
to
try
and
reinvent
the
wheel
either
with
with
the
actual
conversation
that
we
have
and
also
if
we
do
want
to
focus
on
this.
As
it's
like
a
leg
of
the
project.
E
A
I
don't
think
so
to
your
last
question
yeah
and
to
justin's
question
in
the
chat
justin.
I
was
typing
it,
but
I'll
just
say
it.
This
is
these
are
guidelines
that
the
chaos
project
would
provide
to
individuals
who
are
collecting
data
on
communities,
you're,
muted,
justin,
somehow
you're,
double
muted.
F
A
So
we
have,
we
have
guidelines
that
we've
been
developing
like
internal
to
the
chaos
project
so
like
how
do
we
in
the
chaos
project
think
about
the
data
that
we
collect?
You
know
like,
like
I
was
saying
like
through
chaos
con
or
just
through
kind
of
these
meetings
like
how
are
we
sensitive
to
our
own
data?
A
But
then
we
didn't
think
let
me
so
that's
that's
one
document
and
that's
not
this
document
and
then
over
the
course
of
the
many
years
of
the
chaos
project.
A
A
It
can
be
used
in
ways
that
are
not
just
really
meant
to
just
understand
kind
of
the
pulse
of
a
community
that
could
it
could
be
weaponized
kind
of
in
a
way.
So
that
was
a
lot
of
the
original
conversation,
and
so
these
guidelines
are
for
say,
maintainers
who
are
not
in
the
chaos
project
that
are
using
cast
tools
and
cast
metrics.
Like
hey
you're
doing
this,
and
that's
that's
fine,
but
you
know
as
you're
collecting
this
this
information
on
people.
A
You
need
to
think
about
things
and
what
this
information
could
mean
or
could
could
do,
and
so
there's
there's
stated
things
like
gdpr
or
you
know
the
state
by
state
kind
of
regulations
that
are
starting
to
show
up
like
what
you
can
and
can't
do
with
the
data,
but
there's
probably
kind
of
ethical
considerations,
even
beyond
the
gdpr
as
to
how
this
data
might
be
used.
A
On
this
no
yeah,
so
actually
this
is
the
we
are
bringing
this
up
in
the
community
call.
So
this
is
one
of
the
first
kind
of
working
documents
that
we've
started
to
do
in
the
community
call.
So
we
thought
this
was
a
community
level
effort,
and
so
the
last,
maybe
two
or
three
weeks
in
the
that
tuesday
community
call
is
where
this
has
been
being
worked
on.
F
Got
it
so,
I
guess
then,
having
I
came
in
a
little
late,
so
I
don't
know
if
this
is
some
of
the
context,
but
hearing
matt
matt
cantu's
comments,
I'm
just
thinking
that
there
is
a
huge
scope
that
I'm
seeing
here
and
I'm
almost
thinking
like
this
could
even
be
a
whole
new
working
group.
I
mean
this
is
just
such
a
huge
topic
like
you
could
have
folks
meet
every
week
and
just
talk
about
these
things
and
how
to
develop
that
and
maintaining
that.
So
to
me,
I'm
just
I'm.
F
I
guess
there's
a
concern
that
I
have
is
that
whoever
is
taking
this
on
might
be
taking
on
more
work
than
they
might
realize,
or
that
it
might
be
a
bigger
initiative
than
maybe
how
it's
been
planned
so
far,
and
maybe
this
could
be
a
good
discussion
to
think
about
our
working
groups
again
after
so
long
about.
Maybe
this
is
a
bigger
topic.
F
Maybe
there's
a
group
of
folks
who
across
different
working
groups,
are
interested
in
this,
because
I
think
it's
good
work,
but
I
think
it's
just
it's
just
huge
like
this
is
such
a
huge
topic.
A
So
do
you
think
that
there's
do
you
think
that
there's
a
way
that
that
we
could
produce
kind
of
a
preliminary
document
in
this
format
that
just
kind
of
helps
locate
people
into
the
the
space
right
and
then,
following
that
so
like
in
the
cast
project?
Okay,
I
said
earlier
we're
always
trying
to
just
move
people
off
zero
right
so
like
like.
Is
there
a
document,
a
preliminary
document
that
would
be
correct?
You
know
what
I
mean
like
it
would
be
helpful.
A
It's
certainly
not
comprehensive
by
any
means,
but
it's
a
starting
point
for
people
who
are
using
chaos,
tools
and
chaos,
metrics
to
start
thinking
about
the
the
ethics
that
that
are
carried
forward
in
doing
so,
and
then
from
that
point,
maybe
to
your
point
then
justin
like
maybe
a
working
group
could
then
start
to
unpack.
F
F
Diverse
feedback
and
perspective
from
folks
that
might
have
something
to
say
maybe
about
gdpr,
because
they
did
that
their
company,
but
they
might
not
know
anything
about
like
making
raw
data
available.
Or
I
mean,
maybe
that's
not
the
best
analogy,
but
I
think
you
get
where
I'm
you
know.
I
do
so.
Maybe.
A
This
document
could
be
looked
at
like
what
is
that
that
map
for
these
smaller
discussions
that
you're
talking
about
like
again
like
so
maybe
we
present
it
that
way,
because
I
think
then
we
could
still
put
the
map
out
there.
You
know
like
there's
a
lot
under
the
hood
on
each
of
these
points,
but
this
can
at
least
serve
as
a
point
of
orientation,
but
you
can
see
you
can
see
charlotte
on
the
map.
A
F
F
A
Is
just
getting
us
like,
we
know
we
need
to
do
this
because
we're
in
a
the
cast
project
is
is
basically
saying,
go
collect
this
data,
like
I
mean
that's
kind
of
one
of
the
premises
of
the
project
right
that,
but
with
that
carries
a
lot
of
these
ethical
concerns
as
well,
and
we,
I
think
we
it's
time
that
we
start
being
more.
It's
not
just
my
own
thought
like
in
this
document,
but
I
think
it's
more
attentive
to
what
is
carried
forward
in
that
cool.
E
It's
a
wonderful
process
of
moving
from
following
the
regulations
or
asking
people.
Please
follow
the
regulations
to
setting
an
example.
It's
really
cool.
This
is
a
great
discussion.
Thank
you.
E
Okay,
the
next
topic
we
have
for
today
is
the
tools
wow.
We
were
25
minutes
in
now,
the
tools
that
are
being
used
in
communities.
H
I
didn't
either,
but
I
did
want
to
point
something
out
when
I
saw
that
is
recently
in
the
inclusive
naming
initiative,
someone
had
submitted
a
tool
called
woke
and
their
repo
was
get
woke
and
while
the
tool
was
good,
we
had
issues
with
the
naming
of
the
tool,
don't
know
if
this
is
related
to
that
in
any
way,
shape
or
form
either.
A
A
H
Your
project
is
woken
while
they
had
the
best
intentions
and
a
historical
reason
for
picking
that
we
just
had
an
issue
of
the
name
for
linking
toward
to
it
and
including
it
in
our
stuff.
So
that
is
kind
of
at
what
point
do
names
of
projects
affect
open
source
projects.
G
Talking
about
the
image
editor,
for
example,
but
maybe
it's.
H
G
Offensive
but
well,
names
of
projects
have
been
pointed
discussion
many
times.
H
Yeah
I
mean
has
the
longer
name
and
of
course,
we've
shortened
it
to
and
is
bad,
not
the
project,
but
the
shorter
name.
But
at
this
point.
H
H
I
assume
woke,
is
not
all
that
established,
but
she
felt
very
strongly
of
why
she
named
it
that
and
chose
to
unmerge.
You
know
it
being
included,
but
yeah
that
is
potentially
a
dni
issue.
Is
your
name
of
your
project.
G
F
I
guess
I'm
curious
like
if
we
were
to
measure
such
a
thing.
What
would
be
the
bounds
like?
What
would
what
were
some
of
the
like
variables?
We
would
look
at
for
what
is
a
a
good
name
or
a
bad
name,
because
I'm
thinking
like
I
guess
my
context
for
this
is
something
even
as
a
metric
like.
How
would
we
define
that
also
knowing
that
there's
a
ton
of
other
community?
Well,
I
guess
not
a
ton,
but
at
least
one
very
established
community
that
owns
this
entire
issue
of
inclusive
naming
like.
E
I
would
see
it
as
an
internal
metric
like
as
simple
as
the
question.
What
do
you
think
about
our
project's
name
and
then
letting
them
do
what
they
want
with
that?
You
know
like
more.
E
H
And
that's
just
it,
it's
become
so
politicized
and
you
know
kind
of
derogatory
at
this
point,
but
she
said
it
came
from
a
good
place,
but
then
you
know:
we've
had
the
discussion
of
with
the
internal
naming
stuff.
You
know,
rule
of
thumb
didn't
know
its
background
and
that
it's
a
bad
thing.
There
was
something
else.
People
were
currently
looking
to
change
and
I'm
like
why.
B
A
I
would
like,
in
terms
of
two
justin.
B
Or
go
ahead,
I
was
like.
We
got
this
example
of
book,
I'm
trying,
because
english
is
not
my
native
language,
I'm
trying
to
comprehend
how
this
word
is
like
not
a
right
fit
for
the
project
or
something
trying
to
comprehend.
The
context
was
not
clear
to
me
like
in
terms
of
that
project.
What
is
the
issue?
Because
if
I
look
at
the
meaning
of
the
word
book,
which
is
like
alert
the
injustice
in
the
society,
especially
racism
and
the
project
was
trying
to
do
the
same
like
detect
non-inclusive
language?
H
Woke
is
now
being
used
kind
of
derogatorially
against
people
like
that
person
is
so
woke,
because
maybe
their
intentions
aren't
the
greatest,
but
because
it's
the
latest
greatest
thing
kind
of
like
everyone
jumping
on
kubernetes,
bad
amy,
you
know
it's
the
latest
and
greatest
thing:
it's
got
all
the
hype.
Therefore,
you
jump
on
the
bandwagon,
but
you
may
or
may
not
truly
believe
in
the
principles
behind
it.
E
And,
and
for
me,
it
was
a
different
thing.
Actually
I
I
aside
from
the
meaning
of
the
term
and
general
public.
I
also
like
just
didn't
quite
understand
like
where
does
that
come
from
what
does
it
mean?
It's,
it's
not
necessarily
an
inclusive
term.
It's
on
its
own
yeah.
A
So
so
to
I'd
like
to,
if
I
could
go
back
to
justin's
point
once
on.
No,
no,
it's
still
on
it's
still
on
this
issue,
but
like
in
terms
of
a
metric.
So
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
starting
to
see,
particularly
in
the
dei
working
group,
is
that
a
lot
of
the
metrics
don't
necessarily
have
numbers
associated
with
them
that
they
are
meant
to
be
like
inspirational
for
the
people
who
who
are
using
the
metric
and
as
an
example
like
in
the
badging
program.
A
A
But
the
question
is
like
is
the
event
thinking
through
the
process
by
which
diversity
access
tickets
are
provided,
enabling
those
access
tickets
to
be
gained
by
people
like
if
it
was
down
to
a
metric.
It
would
just
be
a
yes
or
no
kind
of
thing
you
know
like.
Are
they
providing
diversity
access
tickets?
Are
they
not
providing
diversity
access
tickets
and
that
this
is
just
kind
of
a
learning
on
my
own
like
over
time
like
the?
Yes?
A
No
is
probably
less
interesting
than
encouraging
event
organizers
to
think
through
the
process
as
to
why
you
would
want
to
provide
diversity,
access
tickets
and
how
you
would
go
about
doing
that.
So
when
we
do
like
the
event
reviews,
it's
really
meant
to
be
more
of
a
inspiration
for
a
conversation,
and
this
might
be
similar
here,
but
it's
not
a
metric
of
measuring
whether
the
name
is
appropriate
or
inappropriate.
It's
just
are
you
as
a
community
to
matt's
point?
E
Well,
does
anybody
want
to
start
that
metric
and
get
it
going?
A
E
A
C
A
A
F
B
So
maybe
a
suggestion
for
all
the
working
groups,
especially
sometimes
it
happens,
a
lot
like
somebody
writes
in
the
agenda.
They
show
up,
they
don't
show
up
and
we
start
figuring
out
who
has
added
it.
We
create
a
suggestion
that
whoever
adds
a
agenda
so
please
write
his
name
so
that
we
get
to
know
the
context
or
have
if
they
wanted
to
be
explicit
about
it.
A
A
A
H
B
A
Add
this
at
the
under
project
and
community,
we
probably
really
should
have
a
metric
on
inclusive
naming.
You've
been.
H
So
if
seattle
actually
happens
because
I
just
saw
the
email
saying
we
now
need
to
wear
masks
indoors,
so
I
don't
know
how
many
companies
are
actually
going
to.
Let
us
go
now.
It
might
be
a
good
time
if
everyone's
there
to
reach
out
and
maybe
have
a
cross-project
meeting.
H
G
Getting
back
to
your
point,
amy
about
it's
sort
of
the
same,
I
think
the
the
the
angles
of
approach
are
different
as
we're
more
focusing
on
the
project
itself.
Rather.
H
Than
coming
up
with
that,
I
already
mentioned
the
dni
group.
We
tend
to
ask
more
open-ended
questions
than
numbers,
so
in
that
way
we
are
similar
to
naming
because
they're
not
collecting
anything.
As
far
as
I
know,
but
our
concerns
are
gathering
information
that
can
be
digest
and
I
don't
think
any
of
the
tools
or
anything
else.
H
Besides
doing
us,
they
might
have
done
a
survey.
No,
they
basically
set
out
a
spreadsheet
and
said:
add
you
know
what
you're
doing
any
trouble
trouble
words
so
that
they
can
then
put
words
together.
That's
what
the
naming
work
stream
does.
The
community
work
stream
is
tools,
and
how
do
you
implement
this
in
your
community?
So
again
they
could
definitely
be
a
you,
a
a
user,
but
that's
not
really
the
right
term,
but
anyways,
a
user
of
what
we
come
up
with
and
then
we'd
get
data
back,
because
we
should
always
get
data
back.
E
Yeah
that
sounds
right.
Well,
that
sounds
really
good
and
it's
out
of
the
spreadsheet
already.
So
we
have
a
couple
more
things
to
talk
about.
We
have
about
10
minutes,
so
just
keeping
us
on
track
here.
I've
got
the
badging
update
for
the
chaos
dei
badging
initiative.
E
So
I
am
really
happy
to
tell
you
that
the
badging
bot
is
finally
underway
with
the
upgrades
we
have.
We
were
looking
at
the
jaw
spot
whedon,
but
we
we
found
some
some
things
that
wouldn't
work
with
her
with
her
with
what
we're
doing
with
badging,
and
we
do
we'd
have
to
do
a
lot
of
refactoring.
E
We
found
it
was
less
work
to
just
to
just
spend
a
lot
more
time,
upgrading
the
bot
that
we
have
and
have
plugged
in
so
we've
migrated
that
to
a
new
cloud
platform
and
actually
drove
some
of
you
know
dhruv
he
is
has
volunteered
to
help
so
far
on
this
part
on
the
southern
thing
for
just
for
fun,
and
I
think
that's
really
cool.
I
just
wanted
to
say
thanks
about
that.
E
We're
working
on
that
together
and
the
badging
freeze
is
happening
on
september
5th,
not
much
to
say
about
that
yeah
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
more
metrics
that
we're
going
to
be
adding
to
the
roster
of
current
metrics
and
we're
going
to
be
doing
some
rebuilding
work
too.
On.
E
E
H
E
Oh
man,
I
didn't
even
think
about
that
I'll,
bring
that
to
the
badging
group
and
we'll
we'll
talk
about
getting
that
changed.
I
didn't
even
think
about
that.
I
I
I
figured
four
days
after
the
or
five
days
after
the
chaos
metrics
are
released.
E
E
E
We
had
I'll
have
to
send
this
to
you,
but
we
had
a
cut,
not
necessarily
a
vote,
but
I
like
that
picture
versus
I,
like
this
picture
and
the
unanimous
vote,
the
the
unanimous
collection
of
responses
was
about
a
certain
picture
so
I'll
send
that
to
you.
A
E
E
D
E
Do
we
know
what
kind
of
what
kind
of
stuff
is
it?
Is
it
a
secret
or
do
we
know
a
secret,
what
a
secret
that,
what
we're
getting
at
as
far
as
swag
goes
it
chaos
con.
I'm
I'm
excited.
A
To
hear
I
already
pulled,
is
it
all
in
the
slack
channel,
it's
totally
open,
so
it's
resistance
bands,
so
there's
a
bag
with
resistance
bands
that
has
chaos
on
it.
There's
a
lunch
like
a
soft
lunch
cooler
that
has
chaos
on
it
and
then
I'm
bringing
a
bunch
of
t-shirts
as
well,
and
so
certainly
anybody
on
this
call
who's.
There
can
get
a
t-shirt
because
you're
all
t-shirt
qualified.
E
E
G
I
took
on
the
initiative
of
adding
a
metric
for
columbine
and
there
was
already
discussion
about
scope,
whether
that
should
be
for
events
or
more
projects
based
and
if
it
should
be
larger
in
a
sense
like
anything,
visual
related
or
even
dyslexia
was
something
that
came
to
my
mind.
G
One
of
the
issues
I
had-
and
I
put
it
on
slack
as
well-
is
how
to
define
a
metric,
and
I
think,
matt
you.
You
address
that
by
saying
it's
more
qualitative
rather
than
being
something
you
can
actually
measure.
So
the
fact
that
projects
pay
attention
to
it.
G
That's
I
think,
the
the
most
valuable
here,
which
the
format
is
a
bit
difficult
to
work
with.
I
guess.
A
G
Yeah,
that's
what
we
came
up
with
last
time.
I'm
I'm
not
sure
how
to
proceed
at
the
moment.
I'm
wanting
to
put
in
some
work,
but
I
don't
know
in
what
direction.
E
Go
ahead,
man.
How
do
we
take
the
last
few
minutes
to
just
all
as
a
group
get
over
this
document
and
take
a
look
at
how
we
may
be
able
to
add
to
it.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that
sounds
good
and
then
nico
I
mean
if
it's,
if
we're
all
kind
of
satisfied,
maybe
next
meeting
we
could
just
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
like
getting
it
into
a
pr.
You
know
what
I
mean
and
then
just
kind
of
going
through
that
whole
like
contribution
process,
so
that
we
can
get
broader
community
feedback
on
it.
E
G
E
And
please,
if
you
are
a
contributor,
I'm
gonna
add
everybody
I
can
see
is
on
the
call
that's
working
on
it.
But
if
you'd
like
to
be
recognized
for
your
contribution
to
the
metric,
please
add
yourself
to
the
contributor
section
as
well.
A
A
A
H
Yeah
and
I've
rebooted
five
times
since
last
week.
I
did
it
for
the
meeting
before
this
one,
because
my
google
chat
would
not
work
and
we
were
meeting
visually
versus
irc
today,
so
yeah
so
move
the.
Are
they
used
I'll,
try
it?
You
can
fix
it.
If
I
mess
it
up.
H
E
H
That
could
also
kind
of
apply
to
the
website
as
well,
and
I
mean
because
we're
including
documentation
and
everything
websites,
so
are
the
visuals
readable.
I
mean
that
could
go
almost
under
every
one
of
them.
To
be
honest
with
you.
E
Well
for
now
well
I'll
leave
my
comments
till
next
week.
For
now
we
have
waste
your
time
on
the
meeting
like
to
be
respectful
of
everyone's
time
and
ability
to
have
ten
minutes
or
eight
minutes
until
the
next
meeting.
So
thank
you,
everybody,
and
can
we
put
this.