CHAOSS Metric Models Working Group, 6 Jun 2023

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Meeting summary can be found here: https://chaoss.discourse.group/t/metrics-models-working-group-meeting-june-6/163/1

A

But if thanks I, we need to record my my overview of garlic ginger, so it doesn't like garlic is gonna gonna win in this one, because there's even with the split on ginger garlic, it feels like a few people are leaning, garlic away. So has anybody gotten into like all the different garlics I've, never I, just kind of used the bulk garlic?

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B

Parents do they, they grow garlic in their Garden yeah dad has a hole, so dozens of varieties and they're I think well. They harvest them. They color codes them and then he's got some kind of a sheet that describes like which one's which and whenever I go to my parents, house I can't just grab a ball of garlic I like to do something with like someone has to tell me which one I have to use in this particular situation, because they are super into it.

B

So if you're cooking it it's one thing: if cooking it in something particular it's a different kind, if you're using it wrong, absolutely different thing. So, like I, can't I can't pick garlic at my parents, house I have to send someone to find me the appropriate garlic for the situation.

A

And you can taste a big difference, can't you.

B

Yeah, you can, because some of them are crazy, strong, um depending on what you're, using it for all.

A

Right well, there's our garlic, I love it all right! Well, we'll go ahead and get started. um I I put on the agenda so last in the last agenda. We had kind of not gotten to these metric models that are listed here and if somebody would like to add another one feel free, um but I I thought that they were um I, think some of them are pretty close to being done and just as part of this metric model, working group I think it's probably good that we continue to think about releasing metric models.

A

We've talked a lot about software and kind of the connection with metric models and software. But I would just like to take a look at a few of these. um You get it with respect to just releasing the models themselves, so I'm, just going to kind of go through one by one. Some I think should take a little bit uh more time. Some should take a little bit less time and I'll start with this influence metric model that we have right here.

A

So this was a metric model that um I think Frank and shoya had brought forward. If you recall a while ago and I think one of the challenges as I went through this, one of the challenges with this metric model was that it was kind of two things. It was influence within a project and influence within an ecosystem.

A

So thinking about how an organization or a person could have an influence on a on a project and how a particular project could have an influence within an ecosystem. I think that was kind of confounding things. It was creating some confusion because we had two different ideas within one metric model, so I had I I stopped here, just kind of at the user stories, but I had kind of thought.

A

Maybe we could focus this at least this first past, just on within project influence or influence just within a particular project, and that's how I tried to write this starting point and then the other thing that I did want to bring up is. We do have an old metric that came from years ago before we had metric models, and so that's what this is right here. So just reading this. My suggestion would be to to take at least what we have from Frank and shoya and at least start focusing on within project influence.

A

We can think of a different name, get rid of this as a metric and take the text that we have here. You know what I mean and incorporate what we have in the description and the objectives into into this. Some of that narrative um and then release within project influence as a metric model itself.

A

So it would remove one metric from our list create one metric model that would be within project influence and interesting. Not maybe not. Interestingly, you know. A lot of the things that are listed here are actually kind of not a lot, but a few of them are what we capture here as metrics in the metric model anyway. So I'd like to get a little bit of feedback on what you all think about that approach.

B

I think it seems reasonable to me: I mean looking looking at that one now that we have them the concept of a metrics model. The organizational influence definitely looks more like a metrics model than than a metric, and so I think I think this is a natural Evolution as you've described here. Okay,.

A

um Other thoughts.

A

Okay, so what I'll do um and what do you think about splitting this metric model that I'm showing on the screen right here into within project influence as one metric model and then the other part, that's in here is like project influence within an ecosystem where we talk about dependencies and I, think those should be two different things.

A

I think we were just getting confused in this model itself: I'm, seeing some nods you're, all okay with that: okay, okay, so I'll I'll continue to work on that and I'll bring something cleaner to the group in a couple weeks, and maybe then the last question is: are you okay with this title, or should we just worry about that in two weeks?.

A

Within project influence, we could just worry about it in two weeks.

B

Maybe internal project influence.

A

Like that, yeah.

B

But like, but then might be confusing for people. Yes,.

C

Is this always going to refer to one project? Could this be like a single project influence and then project influence in an ecosystem is something else yeah.

A

Exactly so, this would be just like a company's influence within a project as an example, and then a different metric model would be how much that one project excuse me has influence within a larger ecosystem metric model number two for that. Second, one.

A

So answer your question: Gary good yeah. It makes sense, yep, okay, right now, okay, cool, um so I'll I'll just work on that a little bit. Okay! Thank you! Everybody, um the next one that we had is this one, and so this this was like organizational influence: diversity activity.

A

It had a variety of different names associated with it, and I tried to write it in such a way that uh it was a little different than what we just talked about with respect to influence, and so what I was trying to do here was just give you a metric model that would kind of indicate how how well you, as an organization for example, would be able to work in a community with others, not necessarily influence it, but be able to join the community, and you know kind of have an impact and contribute to the project as a whole.

A

So that's what I'm, trying to show here and I know that it's probably related to influence, but I was trying to separate the two just a little bit.

A

What do you, what do you all think of this.

A

Again, I just stopped at user stories.

B

I feel like I feel like this is two slightly different things, um because I look at um activity as something that's different from collaboration, so several organizations may be active in a project, um but they may or may not be collaborating on something together.

B

Do you see what I mean I'm, not I'm, not sure how how the two go together.

A

So, do you think activity is a better word here: I, don't yeah.

D

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B

They're both important I mean I think it just depends on on what we want to measure. Okay,.

F

Yeah good yeah I agree both you both of you yeah, it's kind of like activity instead of collaboration, because there's no uh evidence here within this metrics model to show how collaborate between the different organizations, but it's it do, show the activities provided by the different organizations.

A

Bernard, did you ever comment too.

D

Yeah so I was saying, uh am I audible because my internet is little Earnest table today for yeah. So what I was saying is uh most of the organization engage with the community, not in terms of like a one-on-one collaboration, but they just keep on doing some activities like a contribution, which is collaboration in a sense to the project, but not like in it. What you call it like? Okay, we are you do this part, you do this part, but like it's like voluntary and they still through activity. They collaborate with the project.

A

Okay, so would you be, would I think the way this is currently written, it leans towards activity and away from collaboration looking at it right? Okay, so why don't I?

A

A

Okay, I think that's good.

A

Okay, I can and again I I just stopped here, but I think some of these are pretty reasonable in terms of the metrics that are in the that we propose just around activity yeah. So, okay, cool! Thank you for that.

A

Thanks for everybody, we're just kind of walking through these with me, because these I think they just they've been sitting out here for some months. I just needed to do some housekeeping a little bit all right, I.

C

I'm interested in organizational influence and how it relates to the uh which one I think it's elephant Factor, because I think elephant factor is instead of bus Factor being if this many contributors left, then 50 of contributions would be gone.

C

um I noticed that I didn't see the elephant factor in in this metric model. Do you think that it might fit just for the sake of tracking um you know if this organization left or these three organizations left then 50 of the commits would be gone because it kind of feels like when you're thinking about influence and activity those things might fit together. If you want, like a super influence, metric I think that that might be something good to keep in mind.

A

What do other things other people think I agree? Okay, um Gary! Do you think it's for both.

C

uh I think it's for, if you make an influence specifically because activity um activity is aggregated, to understand the elephant Factor, but to understand the influence of an organization you want to know whether or not it contributes meaningfully to the overall picture of how many contributions happen on the project right.

E

A

I was looking I one of these models that I had taken a look at this week, included elephant factor and I guess I would have thought it was one of these two yeah um and it's not here either. Is it in this list? I, don't see it here, okay,.

E

A

Bear all right right on uh thanks, Gary.

E

A

um Any other comments this is helpful because the the way that influence had a couple different models in it I feel like this. One was also kind of like really approximately close to influence and we were getting. We just needed to separate these, so this is helpful. Thank you um all right, so business Readiness of an open source project was one that I think I had put I. This one seems fairly done to me and it is just kind of sitting here and it hasn't been released.

A

I don't think Elizabeth has this I didn't actually double check. I.

G

Don't think it has.

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D

No it it was initially originated in the value time, but then it moved on and it has been worked, but I don't think it is released.

A

Okay, you you remember that conversation at all the nod, yeah.

D

This is yes, this is the one I have proposed, based on uh reading from uh what was the author named Richmond or something the author is in the reference. I guess: yeah, uh there's one author, also from which I I found this idea and I propose it. I'll. Add the reference over here from where I got this idea of business.

E

A

Here's the elephant, Factor Gary, that's where I saw it um is this a model that organizations care about. Would this be something that you would take a look at if you're about ready to participate in a project.

B

Yeah I think this I think this aligns with some of the discussions we've had in the hospital working group around um like assessments of value. Is it value assessments? No, it was uh um basically assessment. Viability of a project, I think Gary. Those those were kind of the conversations that we were having in that possible.

C

B

Group- and it feels like this is similar to that.

B

I'm, not what I'm not sure about is.

B

Business Readiness as the title.

G

B

I also feel like I'm just looking at this for the first time, so maybe I'm.

A

I mean we could.

B

When I think of business, Readiness, I think of um I, think of like an organization getting something ready to be used in a business context, and this feels a little bit more like like viability, but it doesn't have all of the stuff. We were talking about for viability either.

D

So yeah, so it.

B

I, don't want to derail I, don't want to derail this metric, this metrics model, just because there are some other things, yeah I, don't know, I, don't know what to do with it. It.

D

Was actually originated uh to assess whether an organization is ready to adopt any particular open source project.

D

So it was originated in that concept that okay, if I, if I, have to pick a particular open source project for adoption in my organization, uh am, is my organization ready and can I use that in internally, within my project, like within my uh product line.

B

But if you look at the why it matters it talks about um the Readiness of the project and not the Readiness of the business yep.

D

C

If yeah I think this is a much more broad version of what we were talking about in the hospital working group, which is like not a bad thing, I think that all flavors of this is it.

C

This is not go, I mean I'm, including I, think one two three four five six back of my napkin, maybe 24 metrics in the model that I'm looking at uh like I, don't think that it's a bad thing to have different metrics models to varying degrees of of diving into yeah, because you lose a lot of the the succinct that you might want um in viability versus business, Readiness, yeah,.

B

So no I I agree with that.

B

I think I think what I'm not sure about is the title.

C

Yeah because it's it's supposed to I I, think vinod um I'm. Reading this as pretty similar to a viable product, it's focusing more on like how quickly are you solving problems? Are there any outstanding license issues that would prevent me from using this in my business, um but I I want to point out that OSI approved licenses doesn't necessarily mean that you can use it in your business. Right like every business, is going to have different policies right.

D

C

D

E

Please good: it's.

D

Like a factor that you consider so if you look open the issue that I posted in the chat and that it is, this is where I I got. This idea of this particular model that like where they are assigning weights to different areas and and saying okay, if overall score increases that yes, the this project is ready for us as a to adopt it like. If they don't have a licensing policy at all, can I still use it as the viable in my product line if they, if they don't, have a active contribution.

D

You know looking at the project overall health perspective uh is where this is coming from. Yeah.

B

So so I I like this metric model. um Maybe we should just keep the title, as is given that there's some precedent for it in the research and given that none of us seem to be able to come up with something better, because I feel like I want to save the viability um word for maybe later when uh maybe we can get something more more similar to what Gary's been doing with, um or you know, several viability models.

C

Yeah I think because when we spoke before, we also have uh compliance, viability, reliability uh and governance and then community and Agility and I need to find very Snappy names for those things and put them together, which I think once I put some time in we'll emerge.

A

Those names seem pretty Snappy.

C

I Can Do, Better, Matt I believe in me.

G

Okay, I have a question about the business Readiness I I feel like it's a little bit confusing based on. If it's like, outside looking in versus, is my project ready to open source, which is a whole other thing and I I, don't know if we need- and maybe it's just me, but that's kind of the distinction that I find difficult to make in my own brain with this metric model, but like which side is it, but it seems like it's more external looking in like do so.

G

It's mostly around usage not like releasing it to the world. Does.

D

That make sense. Okay does anybody else have like.

G

Feeling of oh I'm getting a little confused with the title or the the white patterns, it's something maybe we could.

F

Yeah, maybe we can either adoption after retinase to say it's used for adopt a new open source project, or maybe yeah, yeah or or engagement in another matrix model. To say, I would like to join the contribution for one open source project.

B

Yeah I was just going to say the same thing. I think this is about adoption of projects, and maybe we should just use that word somewhere, either in the title or somewhere in the. Why it matters I. Think it's more adoption, Readiness.

G

That's what I was going to say: adoption Readiness I, like that better I think.

D

C

Business adoption Readiness. How many words can we spit in there you think or.

G

E

Just taking business out.

G

Like because it could be anything, it could be an individual also.

B

I'm: okay, with that I curious, what happened all things.

D

I'm, just thinking even simply Readiness of an open source project, uh no yeah.

C

I'm tempted to throw the word maturity in here, but that's not I, think what this is for, because you can have projects that are on sliding scale of maturity, that a business would adopt for different reasons right if you're doing something Cutting Edge with AI and.

G

C

Language models.

E

C

They might not all be as polished as like a react or whatever or a grimoire.

E

C

Know that's a very amazing product.

E

A

I'm just trying to.

D

Take to me Readiness and adoption seems to be uh same like two words but pointing to the same thing. Yeah.

A

G

And maybe just adoption.

D

um Adoptability.

D

Maybe open source project adoptability.

A

I, don't think that's a word is it maybe it is adoptability adoptabilities.

D

Oh adoptability is a word: okay, well habitable of being adopted.

A

Come back with a few options in a couple weeks: I did just add: okay,.

D

A

Least a few things why it matters that I think at least added adoption. Okay,.

D

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D

You can give me the action item. I can go through it and, like add references where it, the original idea was generated and I can add the words to.

E

A

And maybe just maybe, but when you come up with a few suggestions for the titles- maybe just put it in the slack Channel, we can sort it out. Okay,.

A

Okay, so it does sound like the model itself seems pretty good to go. I didn't hear any real concerns other than the title.

E

A

Okay again, thank you, everybody for going through these with me um all right. We have one called Community fatigue.

A

I, don't I'm guessing.

A

This is just like a trying to identify projects that are running out of steam is what it is.

E

A

Curious what people think about this one, this one I think might know what I was like uh I'm, not sure I love. This one is what I put in my notes.

C

Give me a second to read it because I'm worried about it being a little over Broad yep.

A

Fair enough.

A

Maybe one of my challenges was I didn't quite understand how the metrics in the model indicate fatigue like how elephant Factor indicates, fatigue or bus Factor indicates fatigue.

A

um There was also.

B

Something like this, so when I so I, don't know um Let me. Let me just talk for a second um I. Think that I'm just going to talk about the context of burnout. That's context, I, don't normally talk about it.

B

Maintain a burnout is a real problem right now um um and in loads of projects, and it's something we talked about a lot for cncf projects, um but we tend to talk about it in the context of uh sustaining contributions, which is the next metrics model in your list in the agenda, um because fatigue is something that I'm not sure, I'm, not sure they can really measure it, but you can measure the sustainability of of contributions over time and whether whether there's an indication that the project will be able to sustain itself, which is sort of the positive side like Community fatigue, is like everyone's exhausted and burnt out, and can we continue this project?

B

Sustaining contributions is sort of the positive side of it. So I I agree with you. I'm not I'm, not sure that I like this and I'm, not sure that we can measure. So we can measure fatigue in a meaningful way, but we I feel like we can measure Community sustainability or sustaining contributions.

A

C

Yeah I wanted to ask the question: if fatigue is like meaningfully different from burnout, because I think that I'm, seeing that there's sustainability of a project and then there's the community and the maintainers may be fatigued right, um I think that burnout is is basically the same thing as like whether or not the maintainers feel fatigue. Maintaining the project um I'm, seeing some maybes or something, but it feels like uh fatigue, might be pretty similar to what we already measure with metrics.

F

Actually, I'm also thinking how to measure the fatigue or burn out of some key contributors, except for someone tell us he. He would like to leave this country Community or he is seeking for help for some support on some public Channel up, except for that I. Don't know how to manage that.

D

One of the V, which is like not.

E

D

Your question is indirect way through mailing communication like or through other communication channels, You observe the cues, and there are some sentiment analysis which help help. You point out those things, but it's not. You know directly observable. Therefore, here's the matter you can directly measure it, but foreign.

F

Large language model to be able to sensitively to say, okay and what? What's the basic sense of your contacts, saying yes,.

D

Yes, even if you even just look at the grammarly that we use in the word document, it gives you the feeling of emotions like anger or you know something like along those lines. So if you look at the text within the repositories, through language learning models, you can analyze, maybe fatigue or maybe some tone analysis. Some.

E

D

F

Actually I'm trying to do so, but not not specific for the burnout. This. This emotion, I I, only currently focus on the positive or negative or node or neutral emotion for some post comments.

F

So, except for that, like this one out emotion, I haven't tried to try this.

D

So maybe an idea for you to try that out.

F

Yeah, it's it's kind of difficult, I! Think because it's kind of difficult to to find out such such a word to show how burned out he is or she is.

A

Just as a no, we do have the project burnout, metric and I. Think to this conversation like a lot of a lot of the data is collected through surveys or interviews by just simply reaching out to folks and asking how they're doing within the project.

A

um Don to your point, then, of sustaining contributors.

A

Just give you a second to take a look at this. Is it about it? I, don't think it's only about newcomers at least listening to the way you were talking and long-term community members, but both yeah I.

B

Mean I think I think it's a piece of it like Step One is: are you welcoming to newcomers so if they want to join your project and then are they are they sticking around and are they continuing to make contributions over time? Okay,.

A

Do you could you comment on how the cncf is thinking about this in terms of trying to understand that.

B

um Yeah, it's a it's a it's kind of a hard thing to uh to understand and I. Don't know that we've really taken so much of a metrics based approach to it. Okay,.

E

A

E

A

Have thoughts on what the metrics might be that might provide again just like getting us off zero that might provide some insight as into our ability to sustain contributors.

E

G

Do we have a metric around the maturity of the community like how long people have been in the community or something like that? I? Don't think we do that.

E

G

We have a good base of folks that have been in the community a long time that might be.

A

A good indicator.

G

To the level that which you can sustain contributions, because you know what I mean, if they're all new, then that might be harder for your community to sustain contributions, just because there's a steep learning curve. But if I don't know that we have a metric that really measures the length of time of people in the community. Yeah.

B

I'm not sure if we've defined a metric but um Grimmer lab certainly has an implementation that looks at um occasional contributors, regular contributors and core contributors, um and and that that is something that that I tend to think about. When I think about sustaining contributions is, is, you know, do you have, because you should have like a bunch of occasional contributors, especially projects work, and then you know a decent set of regular contributors and then a smaller set of core contributors. But what um and and you can look at Trends in those right.

B

So if your core contributors is declining um and not your regular contributors is not increasing, then you're going to have a problem at some point right.

B

A

I, like that done like trying to understand balance between these core regular and first time, okay, no I, you're, right, Elizabeth, I, don't think we have any metric about that or either of these. To be honest with you.

F

I'm thinking, I'm I'm, actually thinking uh all those um metrics model relate to this, as mentioned by dong, this regular and the core and.

E

F

Contributors I would like to make things as a it's kind of big matrix model called contributor matrix model but divided into the different sub matrix model. But maybe in the next meeting, I would like to show that, with with you, yeah.

B

Yeah to talk to somebody on the grammar lab team and see how they're doing this already and see if we can get some insights into into how they've done it so far,.

F

Yeah this idea actually coming from the draw bacons this book. They divided contributor sites, Cairo, regular and call contributors and actually use the reference. The similar concept for that.

B

Concepts we've been talking about time, so I don't think it was. It was new in Jonah's book I think he described it in in his book, um but I think it's uh something that people have been talking about in open source communities for a really long time.

F

The book name should call the people powered I I, don't quite remember correctly.

B

Something like that: yeah, okay,.

A

um So what are your? What are people's thoughts? Should we kind of take these two metrics models and just set them aside for a little bit longer, while we think through I'm talking about fatigue and sustaining contributors, and then maybe yahoo had mentioned in a couple weeks, you could maybe bring some thoughts around this.

F

Yeah I only have one comments for for the current this. This certainly contributors uh look at the Matrix mentioned in this this matrix model. It's an it's a list, a lot more for Matrix. Actually, this one and now the sustaining, not notice. What is this one?

F

Okay, maybe the other one. Okay, maybe I'm wrong. Sorry.

E

F

Yeah, so if yeah this one okay, it's mentioned a lot of- um there are a number of different country- contributor, Matrix, I'm, just thinking from the deployment View how to implement this matrix model in compass, because there's so many metrics.

D

But we are not satisfied with all the list of metrics, because they're not uh exactly connect to the fatigue that we are trying to assess like project popularity, how it tells us whether a contributor is fatigue or other communities for tea or not yeah.

F

A

B

Needs to be this, one needs to be Rewritten the fatigue, one.

D

B

Scrapped in some of the concepts rolled into the sustaining one would.

A

Anybody thank you. Would anybody like to try to do that like bring these together, maybe before the next meeting it wouldn't even have to be in a metric model, just some a way for us to talk about the sustaining contributors, idea and I. Think.

F

There's a couple of.

A

F

Yeah I can give some some some some introduction about myself. Yeah.

F

In the next meeting, yeah.

E

F

Yeah, maybe before the meeting I can I can and provide the dog for the reference.

A

It sounds good well I, like the idea too, that whoever said it may be part of a larger contributor understanding and like sustaining is one of the things that we care about, and there may be other questions and to that I think that brings to your point Don like what does grimora lab doing around contributors and how are they thinking about contributors.

A

Okay, thank you, okay, um so we have one more and we're running out of time um code Health review, who put that one in there.

B

Oh sorry, I added that um just because I I just wanted to mention it that it was something that we kind of talked about in The Common working group, because uh Ray Pake was looking at um a metric that he was kind of thinking as code review Health. But it was really looking to measure how many um pull requests get merged without a review by somebody else.

B

So like a self-merge of pull requests with no reviews from someone else, and that got me thinking that there's probably um a whole set of code review, Health metrics that we might want to put into a metrics model. So so this isn't something that we have a draft of. We don't necessarily have the metrics. We need for it. Yet, um although I suspect that some of the metrics that we might want to use for are probably already defined in one of the other working groups like possibly risk or value.

D

In evolution, most of the code review kind of a thing is in the evolution working group. Okay,.

B

Cool, thank you.

B

I just want to bring it up, so people could start thinking about it, um but I don't think we're ready to work on it. Yet I think I'd like to see Rey's metric developed first.

A

And I think he is doing that he.

B

Is yeah he put again in a slack Channel, okay,.

A

Right on um okay, thanks for bringing that up, Don, um let's see I, did want to I'm gonna, just jump real quickly to the GitHub action issue. We had from last time you Hui you had brought this up. Remember like if there's a change in a particular. It was this. This open question: if there's a particular markdown file, can we use GitHub actions to open an issue in a different repository within a different org?

A

And it looks like the answer? Is yes, so venue I put it in the general channel the question just yesterday and they posted essential solution to be able to do that and so I'm gonna I said yeah to him. If he's willing to help out to give that a go. So I'm the news been a long time contributor, with the chaos project and um I'm he's really done great work over the years. So I'd like to see what he comes up with and um but it sounds like there there's, probably a solution here.

F

A

Yeah yeah feel free to join that conversation too again. It's just in general, just put it in the general chat, Channel. Okay, um let's see before we head out, there was I know there was some work Yahoo that you were doing on just kind of on the metric spreadsheet.

E

A

You have any update on this as to what you were doing here.

F

Actually, I I made a survey in compass life to to to track what kind of metrics you want to deployed or Implement as component in the lab first uh I post a story uh on the OSS Compass. Unfortunately, it's only in Chinese, so maybe in the future I can I can keep updating the survey, maybe through the survey, monkey or monkey. Sorry I can't I can't quite remember that name, but in English to track uh which one is the Improvement first but I anyway.

F

In the same time, we actually start the the implementation about this matrix model. As comments from from the last meeting as you and and share mentioned, we would like to implement metrics related to the issue and the pull request first, because there's these metrics are more, uh have more white, provide more director right value for the people, so I would like to implementing first and maybe in the next week in the next meeting. If we have more time, uh I would like to show some demos on these thinkings.

A

Yeah, we can certainly do that I just I needed to get through those models today, but yeah. We can definitely go back to taking a look at that. So with respect to this, like is this something that you're hoping that we can track like myself or.

F

Is this yeah you can you can do that I I can I would like to to say. What's the result.

A

Okay, so as an example like on this tab, PR time to First, Response, I, guess I'm just trying to understand the workflow that you want to see here in this tab. Oh.

F

By the way, I can tell you one more thing: if you look at the top right corner, they have support the login function.

F

And if you yeah signing.

F

And you can song with GitHub or Katie account, and you can use this login function to to subscribe. The project, uh which would like would have some update analysis report and he will. This will notifies you with email or select Channel.

A

Okay, that's nice!

A

um All right! We are at time you can I I'm gonna, send you some notes, at least on the metric model. Channel I think I I'm not quite clear on this tab. What actions you want me to do! Are you.

F

With that you can choose, because there's two or three selections of choices, you can pick anything if you think, which is um Pro, High priorities or lower priorities, and then we can based on this. So we would Implement those High priorities metrics. Firstly, as a component yeah I see.

A

What you're saying okay, so that's helpful. Thank you, um but last thing before we head out, there was in the chat. There's a chat, GPT question open, which is, is the kubernetes community fatigued? If we we want to know the answer to this, so has anybody.

D

That GPD said sorry is your exact. Deputy is not updated on that hold.

C

On I have bored give me one second and last.

D

I already had the response. Let me pass the response in the chat. Maybe yes, it is a response uh from the chat GPT rather than this I ask uh What uh how we measure the fatigue of an open source, contributor and I got a like interesting response from zgpt, very okay, I.

G

Mean it's not wrong, like that's actually,.

E

D

Yeah that GPT has provided five different metrics that we can look into to measure the fatigueness of an open source contributor that we can think through in the next session. Yeah.

E

A

Into the new world we go all.

D

A

You all right, thank you, everybody for your time and really thank you again for helping me through these metrics models. I think it's really important for us to continue to push these forward all right until next time take care. Okay,.