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A
A
um
I
think
we
were
trying
to
overthink
what
the
metrics
models
could
be,
and
it
was
probably
better
just
to
work
on
them
and
let
the
questions
emerge
from
that
work,
as
opposed
to
trying
to
anticipate
what
the
questions
might
be
ahead
of
time.
So
um
so
anyway,
uh
I
have
a
couple
that
I
that
I
have
here.
A
B
um
Thinking
of
um
document
sharing,
um
so
I
explored
using
uh
github
for
document
sharing.
How
does
that
look?
um
The
um
first
of
all,
I
wanted
to
be
sure
that
there's
consensus
on
doing
it
before
pushing
forward
uh
there's
a
wiki
that
we
can
use,
um
but
it
is
marked
it
basically
has
just
one
line
that
says:
use
the
linux
foundation
wiki
and
the
linux
foundation.
Wiki
is
kind
of
you
know
locked
up.
A
A
A
A
A
A
That
goes
in
here,
like
just
what
the
sentence
structure
would
look
like
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I
was
thinking
about
was
oh,
um
I
could
have
put
like
I
felt
like
I
could
have
put
10
more
metrics
in
this
model,
and
I
some
part
of
me
was
like
I
wanted
to
keep
it
smaller.
It's
always
that
move
off
zero,
but
I
don't
know
what
people's
thoughts
are
on
that.
So
um
I
will
stop
talking
there.
I
have
11
seconds.
I
gotta
go
check
my
bread
so.
C
I
think
this
is
where
examples
in
use
are
helpful.
That
mean,
because
there
are
metrics,
that
people
do
combine
into
models.
I
know
dawn
at
vmware.
Does
this
quite
a
bit
and
and
red
hat
is
doing
it,
so
you
know
trying
to
pick
some
metrics
and
say
they
belong.
I
think
we
may
as
well
take
a
stab
and
see
what
people
find
useful
and
what
people
find
missing
for
lack
of
a
better
way
of
putting
it.
D
I
would,
uh
I
would
agree
with
that.
So
when
I
was
when
I
was
working
on
the
uh
uh
reception
metric
that
we
had
kind
of
discussed
in
the
meeting,
uh
I
ended
up,
I
think
deleting
half
of
the
metrics
that
were
kind
of
mentioned,
uh
and
I
just
landed
on
kind
of
a
similar
number
to
what
matt
has
here
and,
to
be
honest
with
you,
my
uh
the
way
I
built
the
uh
the
model
is
very
similar
to
the
way
mac.
Did
it
as
well.
D
E
E
A
C
E
B
F
E
We
can
integrate
a
large
number
of
matrix
models
into
this
matrix
model,
but
this
kind
of
metric
model
just
gave
us
an
example:
okay,
how
to
use
our
chaos
matrix
mod
matrix,
uh
how
to
use
that
this
is
just
the
general
example.
But
if
you
want
to
deep
dive
into
the
detail
things
you
can
take.
Look
at
or
some
specific
case,
like
this
project
decline,
yeah
yeah.
E
A
D
uh
Yeah
in
the
in
the
one
that
I
did,
I
actually
did
it
very
similar
to
the
way
you
did
yours,
probably
even
uh
even
a
similar
number
of
metrics
uh
cool.
Should
we
take
a
look
at
those?
Is
that
right?
I
got
this
yeah
so
and
lucas,
and
I
both
worked
on
this
and
we
kind
of
took
it
in
two
different
directions:
yeah,
the
one
version
is
his
and
then
my
version
is
at
the
bottom,
okay
and
and
I'm
sorry
lucas.
I
I
haven't
had
time
to
comment
on
yours.
A
D
Out
that
I
think
I
think
it's
important
to
in
the
metrics
in
the
model,
I
think
it's
important
to
use
language
uh
that
can
allow
individuals
to
look
at
these
metrics
individually
or
select
two
or
three
of
these
metrics
to
let
them
know
they
don't
have
to
use
all
of
the
metrics
right.
So
when
I
went
down
it's
metrics
in
this
model
and
I
use
the
term
terminology
metrics
that
may
inform
project
reception
right.
So
then,
when
I
have
that
list
of
metrics
there
it's
these
metrics
may
inform
project
reception.
D
B
A
C
D
C
G
D
uh
So
when
you,
when
you
stepped
away
matt,
I
I
had
I
had
said
one
of
the
one
of
the
important
takeaways
that
I
had
from
this
is
is
using
language
that
uh
that
allows
the
the
person
using
the
metric
to
to
know
that
it's
not
a
take
it
all
or
uh
or
leave
it
model
right,
you
can.
You
can
use
the
parts
of
it
that
are
helpful.
D
So
uh
when
I
have
in
underneath
metrics
in
this
model,
I
have
a
sentence
that
basic
or
the
a
header
that
basically
says
metrics
that
may
inform
project
reception
uh
and
and
when
I
say
that
when
I
and
I
then
you
give
you
a
list
of
metrics,
but
it's
uh
I'm
trying
to
say
it
in
a
way
that
says
you
know
what
you
can
use
two
of
these.
You
can
use
three
of
these.
You
don't
have
to
use
all
of
them.
These
are
the
metrics
that
we
know
of
that
can
inform
project,
reception
uh
and.
D
C
A
D
Forward
in
the
one
that
the
one
that
lucas
created,
I
could
envision
the
metrics
living
within
with
inside
a
uh
a
process,
uh
a
process
model
uh
similar
one
yeah,
okay.
So
so
I
think
there
is
space,
okay,
the
metrics,
to
live
within
process
models,
uh
but
I
think
there
is
a
little
bit
of
a
distinction
there
is
that
we're
modeling
the
process
versus
modeling,
uh
a
use
case
right.
The
the.
D
H
Just
a
comment,
maybe
a
site
comment
or
like
listening
to
kevin's
talk
of
a
process
model.
I
think
the
entire
evolution
working
group
and
all
the
metrics
can
be
part
of
the
process
model,
because
evolution
is
actually
a
process
from
growth
maturity
to
a
decline.
Remember
the
initial
name
was
that
growth
maturity,
declined,
yeah,
okay,.
C
To
visualization
um
it's
going
to
depend
on
the
metrics
model
and
like
like
that's,
actually,
I
think
a
creative
activity
unto
itself,
it's
probably
worth
undertaking.
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
kind
of
thing
that
can
be
undertaken
in
a
zoom
crawl,
but
if,
if
we
have
a
metrics
model
that
we
think
is
one
that
we
want
to
continue
to
develop.
I
think
it
would
be
I'd
be
happy
to
work
with
um
for
gaba
over
there.
You
know
figuring
out
ways
that
that
model
could
be
made
more
visual.
C
A
C
D
B
um
You
know
model
of,
I
don't
know
a
particular
real
world
uh
situation
uh
and
um
attach
the
metrics
to
uh
facets
of
that.
So
um
you
notice
that
in
this
use
case,
there
is
a
natural
kind
of
um
flow
to
it
yeah,
um
but
this
may
be
um
it's
almost.
This
is
almost
like
a
uh
like
pseudo
code,
it's
quite
different,
and
I
wonder
about
people's
thoughts
on
whether
this
is
too
uh
too
limiting.
B
Maybe
the
way
to
approach
this
would
be
um
with
a
list
of
metrics
that
you
may
be
interested
in
and
then
um
and
then
for
each
one,
a
explanation
of
what
it's
useful.
For,
so
that
would
be
very
much
in
sync
with
maths
and
kevin's
and
um
and
then
there
would
be
a
separate
illustration
that
shows
the
process
model.
A
Yeah,
it's
almost
so
it's
interesting
reading,
yours
you're
right.
I
read
it
like
a
story
like
a
like
a
narrative
for
a
person
being
part
of
a
community,
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
what
you're
meant
to
do,
but
that's
how
I
see
it
um
and
then
I
agree
like
I
think
right
at
the
end,
it
almost
looks
like
like
I,
and
one
are
almost
just
like
inverses
of
this
there's
like
just
you
know
what
I
mean
yeah,
um
so
I
think
it'd
be
easy
enough.
B
A
You
know
communicate
the
story
side
of
it.
I'd
be
interested
to
see
what
you
come
up
with
from
an
illustration
perspective,
because
I
think
content-wise
it
really
actually
is
the
same.
These
are
the
same
they're,
just
two
different
angles
into
the
same
thing:
um
okay,
cool.
Were
there
any
um
kind
of
as
we're
thinking
about
these
models?
A
B
D
A
D
D
You
know
it's
it's
important
to
other
different
types
of
users
yeah,
so
I
think
we
should
kind
of
avoid
calling
out.
You
know
community
managers
or
developers
or
whatever
those
personas
are,
and
I
I
think
we
should
kind
of
be
agnostic
with
the
user.
So
I
like
the
user
story.
I
just
I
I'm
not
sure
it's
helpful
to
identify
the
person
that
may
be
using
the.
C
D
D
A
I'm
kind
of
okay
with
that,
at
least
on
first
thought
and
the
reason
I'm
okay
with
it
as
well,
because
to
sean's
point
yeah,
I
I
would
suspect
most
people
are
community
managers
or
at
least
understand
community
management
to
some
degree,
and
the
other
is
like
I
don't
know,
I
would
suspect
people
who
might
be
reading
these
or
are
bright
enough
to
abstract
like
fine.
Technically
I'm,
not
a
community
manager,
but
I
get
it.
You
know.
D
D
B
E
Or
some
or
some
companies
who
want
to
choose
a
software
from
the
open
source
community,
they
want
to
pick
up
one
of
the
things
see,
so
they
should
look
like
looking
for
that
open
source
community
if
it's
decline
or
it's
it's
promoted.
So
I
think
it's
from
another
perspective.
I
agree
with
lucas.
It's
not
just
from
project
community
manager
and.
E
D
So
so
to
my
point
earlier,
adding
these
different
personas
adds
an
element
of
complexity
to
this,
and
I
think
I
believe
that
community
managers
are
worried
about
project
decline
as
well
yeah.
So
what
is
the
value,
especially
if
it's
their
community
yeah?
What
is
what
is
the
value
of
using
product
manager
instead
of
community
manager?
If,
if
we're
all
interested
in
the
same
metrics
models.
B
H
C
And
I
agree
with,
I
agree
with
lucas
I'll,
throw
one
other
thought
out
there.
um
My
master's
advisor
taught
me
that
if
you
use
the
second
person
when
addressing
students,
everyone
thinks
that
you're
talking
about
them,
because
it's
the
use
of
you
this
and
you
that
and
that
gets
students
attention.
I
don't
know
if
the
same
applies
to
this
kind
of
communication,
so
I'll
just
I'll
leave
that
in
the
garden
to
grow.
D
I
guess
I
I
guess
I
would
kind
of
you
know
after
after
these
different
types
of
users
have
come
up
again.
uh
I
guess
I
would
change
my
mind
about
the
conversation
and
kind
of
go
back
to
what
I
was
saying
before
is
that
maybe
we
should
just
be
agnostic
to
the
user
and
we
we
just
we
care
about
the
activity
and
the
use
case
uh
and
not
the
person
that
uh
and
not
the
person
at
all.
So
maybe
we
maybe
we.
We
can
still
write
the
user
stories.
D
D
A
So,
let's
take
a
a
group
group
level
action
item
to
think
about
this,
because
it's
kind
of
important-
because
you
know
I
you
did
you
want
to
say
something
to
say-
unmuted
all
right,
no,
no
you're,
good,
okay,
um
because
it
would
be
important
because
I
think,
if
I
think
we
all
agree
that
if
lucas
is
writing
him
one
way
and
I'm
writing
him
another
way
and
kevin's
writing
a
third
way
at
some
point.
We're
gonna
have
to
wrangle
those
together
to
get
some
consistency.
I
think
we
all
at
least
agree
on
that.
A
B
A
Right
right
like
if
we
write
20
metrics
models
and
they
all
have
a
tendency
of
following
maybe
this
pattern,
you
know
from
from
that
style
and
fair
enough.
Okay,
that's
your
point
right!
Okay,
it's
making
sure
I
got
it
because
I
was
repeating
it
all
right:
cool,
let's
make
more!
Oh
yeah,
let's
make
more
so
elizabeth
had
put
this
in
there.
I
just
want
to
put
this
um
in
front
of
everybody,
the
the
development
of
a
high-level
metrics
model.
A
Might
I
wish
you
were
here
to
explain
it
a
little
bit
more,
so
I
think
her
thought
was
um
vanad
and
sean
and
kevin
you'll
know
this
yehui
and
lucas.
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
you'll
know
this
if,
but
we
used
to
produce
community
reports,
so
there
was
we
had
this
process
by
which
a
community
any
community
could
request
a
chaos
community
report
and
it
contained
four
kind
of
metrics
about
the
community.
I
kind
of
forget
what
they
were
john.
Do
you
remember
what
you
were
uh
one.
H
H
A
Okay,
so
there
was
a
suggestion
from
elizabeth
about
creating
it's
just
another
metric
model.
That
is
it's
like
a
metric
model.
That
is
um
it's
basically,
the
community
report.
I
think
there's
this
really
high
level
like
I
don't
even
know
where
to
begin
like
it
just
helped
me
start
seeing
things
that
open
a
conversation
for
me
as
a
community
manager
or
as
a
as
an
employer
or
a
produce
manager.
I
put
produce
managers
manager.
A
What
people
think
about
like
a
series
of
maybe
metrics
models
that
are
really
they're
very
high
level
they're
in
their
intended
to
be
high
level,
and
we
all
of
us
on
this
call,
might
look
at
him
and
be
like
yeah.
I
need
more
detail
than
that,
but
just
kind
of
remembering
there's
a
whole
audience
out
there.
That's
like,
I
don't
even
know
where
to
begin
just
help
me
begin,
and
we
have
some
pretty
good
descriptions
in
that.
Does
anybody
have
that
um
one
of
those
community
reports
handy
the
nod
still
on
the
website?
H
A
I
think
it's
a
pretty
good
idea,
because
sometimes
we
get
kind
of
in
the
weeds
of
creating
metrics
models
under
this
assumption
that
people
are
like
these
highly
skilled
community
managers
and
they
they
know
the
things
that
they
want,
and
I
think
some
people
are
just
you
know.
I
just
dropped
the
link
in
the
chat,
yep
yep.
H
A
E
H
E
A
Longer
story
is
like
we
were
trying
to
use
the
community
report
to
draw
people
to
the
tools
cauldron
being
one
of
the
tools,
auger
being
another
tool
that
can
produce
these
kinds
of
things.
So
we're
trying
to
say
to
people
here
are
a
couple
things
that
can
help
locate
you
in
your
project,
and
here
are
some
of
the
tools
that
are
available
within
the
chaos
project
that
help
to
help
get
that
work
done.
A
B
Over
the
week,
uh
if
one
idea
is
I'm
going
to
do
the
uh
nadia
egg
ball
model?
Okay,
she
has
this
thing
of
she
characterizes
projects
by
contributing
and
user
growth.
Okay,
it's
two
different
models,
probably
or
one
yeah
they're
together.
uh
So
she
has
this.
Like
quadrant
deal
I
like
to
grow
a
slow
contributor
growth,
high
user
growth
is
cool;
okay
right
on.
A
A
All
right,
uh
well,
everybody
thank
you
for
the
for
the
thoughts.
This
is
always
really
good.
I
think
we
make
progress.
It's
always
kind
of
fun
to
make
um
progress
like
like
a
tortoise
like
just
slowly
but
surely,
and
then
you
look
back
and
you
realize
how
far
you've
come
and
I
think
we're
getting
there
and
I
think
the
work
that
we're
doing
is
really
helpful,
because
people
who
were
going
to
be
approaching
this
for
the
first
time
as
we've
learned
in
the
cast
project
are
always
super
appreciative.