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From YouTube: CHAOSS Metrics Models Working Group September 26, 2023
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Meeting minutes can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qE2duE73NbEOHzRRAbqgPSUSAfdH-AmvLruOu7uCIYg/edit#heading=h.qvrv9q9fj4oj
A
All
right
how's
it
going
everybody
welcome
to
the
September
26th
chaos
metric
model
meeting.
It's
good
to
have
everybody
back
minutes
are
in
the
chat
and
if
somebody
could
kind
of
keep
those
going
over
time,
so
the
first
is.
We
just
I
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
on
OSS
EU
and
the
recap,
and
just
how
things
went
for
people
I'm,
real
sorry,
I
I
think
I
have
met
most
of
the
people
in
that
picture
like
in
person,
except
for
you
yoi.
So
it's.
B
A
D
B
And
I
think
the
presentation
is
quite
quite
good
because
in
the
last
day
before
our
speech,
James
Allen
on
his
note
keynote
and
just
to
show
us
a
wonderful
picture
to
show
the
comparison
between
the
petals
and
tensorflow.
So,
like
the
you
know,
can't
don't.
Coincidentally,
Daniel
and
I
also
gave
the
comparison
between
the
pattern
tensorflow
using
our
chaos,
Matrix
and
matrix
model.
B
B
D
B
A
C
A
A
A
B
B
A
D
B
Yeah
I
don't
also
join
with
us
lots
of
people
drawn
with
us
to
listen
in
this
speech.
I
think
the
result
is
quite
good
and
we
received
some
questions
after
meetings
and
also
got
a
chance
to
discuss
something
about
chaos
about
the
compass
about
Grim
life.
How
to
build
their
own
SAS
platform,
basically
live
with
chaos.
Yeah
a
lot
of
things
about
that.
A
A
B
A
C
D
A
C
A
B
A
C
B
B
We
will
invite
you
guys
to
join
with
us
and
meanwhile,
to
give
us
a
keynote
about,
and
what
kind
of
Matrix
and
matrix
model
to
to
describe
our
Health's
Community
could
use
open
ruler,
as
example,
but
not
just
to
say,
open
ruler
is
something
is
good,
very
good,
but
also
to
to
address
the
area
need
to
be
improved
in
open
ruler.
So
there's
no
things.
There's
no
meanings
to
to
just
see
some
just
good
that
it's
not
choose.
We
do
knows
open
ruler.
Have
a
lot
of
areas
need
to
Improvement?
B
We
just
want
to
let
let
people
to
know
how
to
use
chaos,
Matrix
and
matrix
model
to
to
to
evaluate
open
source
community,
and
the
second
is
about
open,
open
ruler,
one
two
and
to
use
itself
as
a
use
case
in
the
different
chaos,
metrics
and
matrix
model.
No
matter
is
good
as
I
said,
or
bad
in
this
metrics
or
matrix
model,
and
they
are
waiting
to
test
the
use.
They
are
using
the
real
data
using
the
to
better
our
chaos,
Matrix
and
matrix
model,
to
say
how
it's
good,
how
it's
packed
in
some
areas.
B
That's
that's
something
about
use
case,
because
we
we
also.
We
know
that
in
our
chaos,
metrics
and
matrix
model.
We
do
have
some
examples,
but
I
think
we
are
like
lack
of
some
real
case
for
the
communities,
but
open
jubular
are
willing
to
do
so
so,
and
they
also
to
would
like
to
ask
to
help
them
to
create
some
specific
models
or
Mac
or
metrics
for
the
operating
system,
domains,
I,
think
and
currently
what
we
build
in
Matrix
and
match
model
that
are
common
for
all
the
communities.
B
But
they
do
have
some
special
specification
for
different
techno
technical
areas
so,
for
example,
operating
system,
so
they
would
like
us
to
build
some
matrix
model
for
folding.
That's
the
second
and
the
last
also
and
chaos,
and
also
can
be
invited
to
provide
some
business
insights
reports
of
open
ruler,
of
course,
for
for
some
other
companies
of
Open
Source
communities.
C
Yeah
I
mean
I
I,
think
I
think
this
is
a
good
opportunity
for
both
communities,
because
from
the
from
the
open,
Euler,
Side
open,
Oiler
side,
the
so
you
know
open
source
from
a
community
perspective
is
not
particularly
well
understood,
I
think
in
in
China
in
a
lot
of
cases,
and
so
I
think
that
this
would
help
help.
People
see
that
open
Oiler
really
is
like
a
you
know,
like
a
community
that
people
can
participate
in
and
see
the
the
breadth
of
that.
C
That
community
and
I
also
think
it's
a
good
opportunity
for
for
chaos,
because
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
usage
in
in
Asia
and
in
particular
in
in
China,
since
this
is
in
in
China
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
opportunity
there
as
well.
I
will
have
to
say
that
I
I
checked
my
schedule
and
I
personally
cannot
go
because
it's
it's
basically
at
the
very
beginning
of
my
Christmas
holiday.
D
C
D
A
A
I
I
also
think
this
would
be
potentially
a
really
interesting
opportunity
to
really
take
a
look
at
how
chaos,
metrics
and
metrics
models
and
software
can
help
guide
or
provide
insight
for
a
community
and
the
companies
that
are
involved
in
the
community
kind
of
end
to
end
so
I
guess:
I
have
two
two
thoughts
here
who
are?
Who
are
the
companies
that
are
mostly
involved
in
open,
Oiler,
I.
A
A
B
B
A
That
I
was
thinking
because,
like
Don
it,
so
there
were
a
couple
things
one
it.
It
reminded
me
Don
of
kind
of
the
stuff
you
had
done
with
Melissa,
like
just
with
with
the
numb
Focus
Group
and
then
so.
The
other
I
think
the
other
really
interesting
thing
here
is
that
a
lot
of
from
my
perspective,
a
lot
of
the
ways
that
chaos
tools
and
metrics
and
metrics
models
are
used.
A
They're
used
in
a
variety
of
different
ways
and
the
way
that
I
personally
understand
their
use
is
sometimes
kind
of
like
small
Windows
into
how
companies
or
projects
are
using
them.
So,
for
example,
like
I
know
Don,
when
you
were
a
VMware,
you
were
using
a
lot
of
the
tools
and
metrics
and
metrics
models,
but
like
I
I,
never
like
you
would
talk
about
how
they
were
helpful
like
in
in
slices.
D
C
D
B
You
know
a
lot
of
Journey
is
a
is
from
he's
a
he's,
a
maintenance
of
openjola
infrastructure
team,
so
he
could
provide
the
fully
support
on
those
things.
So
we
can
provide
the
the
data.
Public
data
assessment
and
also
OSS
Compass
would
also
provide
such
support
to
access
the
data
existing
KT
and
because
all
the
projects
are
located
on
the
Getty,
those
are
on
the
GitHub,
but
the
data
structure
or
the
schema
they
are
similar
like
each
other,
so
yeah
we
can
totally
use
our
metrics
and
matrix
model
on
those
memories.
D
D
A
Looking
at
you
again
Don
just
with
all
your
experience
at
VMware
like
like
what
what
would
be
a
compelling
case,
study
story
to
tell
through
here,
because
I
it
could
go,
it
sounds
like
I
feel
like
I
could
go
a
whole
bunch
of
different
ways
or,
like
so
many
different
directions.
This
could
go
and
it
might
make
sense
to
kind
of
like
focus
in
on
something
I.
Don't
know
what
that
something
is,
though
this
is
the
end-to-end
problem.
I
have
yeah.
C
Absolutely
I
mean
looking
at
the
the
Getty
repo,
it's
468
repositories.
So
it's
it's
a
it's
a
lot
of
data,
but
because
we
have
a
good
relationship
with
with
the
folks
on
this
project
we
could
we
could
talk
to
them,
and
maybe
maybe
we
talk
about
the
you
know
the
10
most
important
repositories
and
and
pull
data
on
on
the
ones
that
are.
C
C
We
could
probably
it'd
be
worth
pulling
all
of
the
data
into
auger
and
and
seeing
how
we
can
kind
of
aggregate
some
things,
but
it
would
also
be
worth
looking
specifically
at
a
few
of
the
more
strategic
repositories
like
the
the
kernel.
I'm
guessing
is
is
one
of
them,
because
they've
got
six
pinned
repositories.
We
could
certainly
look
at
those
yeah,
I.
Think
I.
Think
it's
an
interesting
I.
B
B
B
C
Yeah
because
I
think
it
would
be
I
mean
the
different
tools
have
different
strength.
If
we
all
we
look
at
the
data
using
using
all
of
these
I
think
we
can
pull
together
a
cohesive
story
before
that
Beijing
conference
and
pull
together
some
data
from
each
of
the
different
sources
that
tell
different
different
parts
of
the
story.
C
It's
a
it's
going
to
be
a
bit
different.
You
know
back
to
you
what
you
said
before
was
that
you
know
we
don't
spend
a
lot
of
time,
analyzing
operating
systems
which
are
are
fundamentally
kind
of
a
different,
a
different
Beast
because,
like
you
said
yeah
for
the
the
source
for
open
Euler,
the
that
giddy
repository
has
all
the
things
that
are
in
the
whole
operating.
B
B
Problem
we
can
Pro
I,
think
we
can
work
close
closely
with
with
each
other
and
because,
as
you
know,
that
from
the
end
of
this
week
in
China
we
are
gonna
have
a
kind
of
long
vacation
or
holiday
like
a
eight
days
vacations,
and
but
after
that
we
will
go
back
from
from
from
holiday
and
after,
like
I.
Think
after
that
we
I
have
a
I.
Will
Audrey
and
I
will
give
you
I,
think
a
quite
clear
structure
of
the
operating
system
like
open
ruler?
B
D
C
What
we
don't
want
to
do
is
study,
you
know,
put
effort
into
studying
things
that
have
nothing
to
do
with
open,
open
oil
or
Butler's
just
pulling
in
because
it's
part
of
the
operating
system,
so
I
do
think.
We
need
to
be
really
careful
to
scope
this
out
and
Yeah
a
presentation
to
help
help
us
understand
exactly
how
things
are
structured
and
which,
which
bits
are
are
actually
the
the
stuff.
A
Okay,
so
this
is
awesome
and
amazing,
a
question
kind
of
for
both
of
you
still
here.
If,
if
there
was
a
story
to
be
told,
you
know-
or
this
this
case
study
to
be
told,
is
it
from
the
position
of
how
open
Euler
understands
themselves
as
a
community
and
can
improve?
Is
it
how
the
organizations
who
participate
in
open,
Euler,
understand
the
community
and
think
about
their
own
engagement?
Is
it
all
the
same?
Does
it
do
we
want
to
split
this
up
because,
like
I,
don't
know
a
lot
of
this
collapses
on
itself?
B
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
different
aspects
to
say
how
good
our
health
committee
should
should
be
like
no
I'm,
not
saying
open
ruler
is
a
perfect
Community,
but
we
could
use
open
ruler
as
a
complicated
use
case,
because
it's
operating
system
like
10,
more
than
10
000
repositories,
need
to
be
management,
need
to
be
managed
and
we
can
say
to
to
manage
our
government
such
a
big
Community.
Is
there
a
good
case
we
found
in
in
open
ruler
if
there
are
any
areas
or
bad
case
they
found
in
the
such
big
communities?
B
C
D
D
B
C
B
You
know
that's
because
it
open
ruler
is
quite
a
big
communities
and
they
have
almost
100
special
interesting
groups
currently
alive
in
this
community.
How
to
manage
such
big
groups?
I
mean
106.,
so
it's
also
a
challenging
scene,
but
we
can
track
dusk,
open,
ruler,
operator,
good
or
bad.
We
can
give
such
Merit.
D
C
E
B
E
A
So
then,
my
my
last
comment,
just
as
as
we
think
about
this
Don
and
you
who
you
keep
mentioning
that
as
a
as
an
operating
system,
it's
a
uniquely
different
style
of
community.
So
just
thinking
about
how,
if
we
do
an
analysis
here
it
we
could
present
it
in
such
a
way.
That
would
be
helpful
for
other
communities.
D
A
B
I
think
like
at
all
mentioned,
even
they
have
like
a
ten
thousand
ten
thousand
repulsaries.
We
don't
have
to
care
so
much
on
those
on
these.
The
big
numbers-
because
this
does
the
sauce
Source
I
mean
the
others-
are
the
source
code.
I
mean
the
package
to
to
be
included
into
operating
system.
The
key
things
we
need
to
care
more
about
its
governance
and
the
operating
operating
are
such
complicated
community.
C
D
B
D
D
B
B
A
A
D
A
And
then
I
just
wanted
to
bring
these
up
as
well
on
viability
that
Gary
White
has
also
been
developing
a
series
of
metric
models
around
viability,
and
we
just
recorded
a
podcast
yesterday
on
that,
and
there
was
a
panel,
so
I
think
my
my
thought
is
is
that
the
focus
could
just
be
on
getting
these
two
collections
of
metrics
models
out
and
and
helping
yahui,
where
you
need
a
hand
and
also
I
know
that
Gary
I
think
yesterday
we
had
talked
about.
He
was
going
to
issue
some
pull
requests.
A
This
is
kind
of
an
off
conversation,
but
he
was
going
to
issue
some
pull
requests
on
the
viability
ones
as
well.
So
just
the
thought
is
is
to
move
these
forward
before
we
really
start
developing
anything
else,
because
these
we've
been
talking
about
these
for
a
while
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
all
of
them
and
honestly
they
could
perhaps
be
really
nice
models
to
think
about.
A
A
A
E
A
Because
I
think,
as
we
get
these
because
I
think
like
just
when
I
was
thinking
through
this
I
think
Gary
had
mentioned
that
out
of
all
of
these
metric
models,
he
had
I
think
he
said
there
were
only
like
three
metrics
that
needed
to
be
developed
three
or
four
metrics
that
needed
to
be
developed.
The
rest
were
built
all
on
existing
chaos,
metrics
and
so
like.
If
we
can
coordinate
the
auger
stuff
to
get
those
metrics
deployed
the
atomic
metrics
deployed.
A
No
I,
just
if
you
could
focus
on
like
just
getting
those
meeting
cadences
up,
then
I
can
I
can
what
I
can
do
is
I
can
go
through
here
and
identify
like
in
those
first
meetings.
We
could
work
on
like
what
metrics,
for
example,
in
community
which
of
these
are
deployed
in
auger
and
which
would
be
quite
an
auger
yeah.
C
A
B
So
in
our
next
release
we
are
gonna,
provide
a
new
feature
which
is
currently
called
detailed
metrics
for
the
for
the
each
of
single
community.
So
if
we
want
to
try
again,
for
example,
your
your
your
activity
declined
or
your
collaboration
development
index
decline,
what
happened
in
The
Matrix
and
if
you
wanna,
get
more
detailed
of
what
happened
or
how
to
improve
that.
We
provide
some
detailed
metrics.
B
For
example,
what's
the
top
10
or
top
top
100
issues
has
haven't
been
handled
or
what's
the
top
top
issues
or
pull
requests
haven't
been
merged?
We
will
show
that
detailed
metrics
for
each
of
single
commutates.
So
after
that,
people
with
the
guy
to
know
how
to
improve
different
communities,
governments
and.
A
A
It's
just
continue
to
to
listen
to
what
people
are
interested
in
in
understanding
from
their
communities
or
about
their
communities
and
and
bring
those
things
forward
here,
because
that's
usually
our
best
way
of
understanding
what
metrics
and
metrics
models
are
most
important
to
people
is
to
just
listen
to
the
things
that
are
giving
people
the
most
problems
or
the
things
that
they're
trying
to
understand
the
most
okay
yeah
we're
at
the
end.
Here,
it's
a
good
conversation.