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A
Sure
and
transcription
enabling
and
I'll
share
my
screen,
oops.
Okay,
that's
the
wrong
one.
A
All
right
so
here
we
are
feel
free
to
fill
in
your
name
on
the
attendee
list.
There's
a
few
items.
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
others
that
folks
want
to
add,
but
I
thought
we'd
just
start
with
the
software
as
a
service
effort
which
you
hui,
do
you
want
to
share?
Do
you
want
me
to
share
this
with
the
group
or,
like
I
said,
I
am
sharing
it
right
now,
I'll
put
it
in
a
I'll
put
it
in
a
link
in
the
minutes
as
well.
Just
to.
A
A
All
right-
and
that
takes
you
to
this
page
here,
where
yahui
has
done
drafted
and
matt's,
provided
some
feedback
on
just
kind
of
this
software
as
a
service.
A
You
know
using
kermorelab
in
a
software
as
a
service
context
and
just
forget
just
for
giddy.
I
think,
but
you
when
you
say
a
poc
solution.
What
do
you
mean.
A
B
B
A
A
Corporation,
okay,
yep,
okay,
so
we
need
a
new
name
for
the
service
in
both
english
and
chinese.
B
And,
and
also
we
considering,
we
are
considering
to
contribute
the
chaos
dot
org
to
to
the
community,
because
we
we
already
registered
this
community.
A
So
my
judgment
is
my
my
my
best
guess
is,
I
don't
think
so,
but
I
guess
if
we're
gonna
brand
it
as
chaos,
insights,
then
probably
right.
So
if
we
leave
chaos
out
of
the
name,
although
it's
in
the
domain
I
mean
I'll,
say
I
don't
see
anybody
being
opposed
to
this.
B
A
I
mean,
I
wonder
if
we
just
because
I
haven't
finished,
giving
feedback
on
the
whole
document
yet,
but
I
wonder
if
we
just
talk
about
it
at
a
community
meeting
and
see
if
people
think
it
needs
to
be
board,
voted
or
not.
C
A
A
C
Maybe
other
community,
like
the
weekly
community,
call,
would
be
enough
because
I
think
most
of
those
folks
attend
those
calls
or
a
good
majority
of
them
do
so.
Yeah.
A
C
C
B
C
B
B
C
Yeah
completely-
and
I
think
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
folks
in
that
that
meeting
that
aren't
able
to
attend
this
meeting
right
here
that
have
strong
feelings
and
would
really
like
to
participate
in
this
and
help
out
with
it
so
yeah.
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
awesome.
I
think
it's
gonna
be
really
great
for
the
for
the
whole,
broader
community,
so
yeah.
A
A
A
Yeah
so
the
other
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
so
I
think
maybe
coming
up
with
the
name.
Is
you
know,
chaos.
Insights
might
be
it,
but
maybe
some
people
in
the
community
will
also
have
an
idea
of
another
name.
A
How
to
refer
to
ourselves
so
and
and
if
you
have
a
strong
view
about
what
the
name
should
be,
that
would
translate
well
in
chinese
and
english
yahui.
I
I
certainly
think
the
community
would
welcome
that
as
well
like
we
don't
need
to
direct
what
it's
called.
If
you
have
a
thought,
I
was
obviously
riffing
chaos,
insights
off
of
the
subdomain
that
you
chose.
A
And
I
think,
looking
at
the
next
thing,
you
know
contributing
the
open
metrics
model
and
the
front
end,
I
think,
is
a
significant
contribution
to
the
community,
because
I
guess
the
sas
rails
part
is
that
is
that
just
used
to.
B
Yeah,
it's
used
to
communicate
with
with
the
code
to
host
the
platform
like
kt
they
would
affect
in
the
state.
This
result
matrix
model
result
to
to
display
the
matrix
model
result
on
on
them
and
repositories
hosted
on
on
their
platform.
Okay,.
A
B
For
for
the
rest
of
the
other
things
it
could
be
should
be
the
back
end
running
at
the
grim
lab,
and
also
the
database
used
open,
search
and
the
db.
B
D
Yeah,
I
have
one
question:
how
it
is
different
from
the
one
you
proposed
today
sean
in
the
meeting
about
that
github's
thing,
because
this
is
also
providing
a
service
that
one
we
are
also
planning
to
have
like
hosted
service
where
everyone
can
or
newcomers
can
use
it.
So
I'm
trying
to
see
some
connection
in
between
these
two
things
so.
A
Those
I
would
I
would
say
that
the
target
audiences
are
different,
that
the
target
audience
for
a
metrics
model
portal,
like
what
yahui
is
designing
here,
is
really
any
open
source
person
who
wants
to
look
at
the
metrics
for
projects
that
they
care
about
and
the
the
customer
for
the
it's
github
code.
It's
called.
I
can't
remember
what
it's
called
github
code,
because.
A
Code
spaces:
that's
that's
really
aimed
at
contributors,
so
people
who
want
to
contribute
to
the
project,
the
code,
spaces,
theoretically
or
hypothetically,
provide
a
way
for
a
new
developer
to
begin
contributing
without
having
to
go
through
all
of
the
typical
installing
of
all
the
things
to
make
it
work.
So
I
would
say
that
the
code
spaces
are
aimed
directly
at
contributors
and
that
the
audience
for
something
like
this
is
much
larger
this.
This
is
this.
D
B
B
And
all
you
need
to
do
is
just
fill
github
or
g80s
repositories
of
choice
to
this
service
and
for
the
rest
of
thing
you
can
pick
up
some
matrix
model,
you
you
have
interest
and
they
will
help.
You
generate
the
whole
result,
including
the
matrix
result
and
also
the
matrix
composed
of
this
matrix
model.
You
can
see
the
whole
pictures
and
results
and
of
yeah.
Of
course,
all
the
matrix
and
matrix
model
would
link
to
it
with
the
matrix
model
definition
to
get
more
help
to
understand
how
matrix
model
working.
D
B
You
know
they
need
a
lot
of
work
if
we
want
to
make
this
service
working
before,
because
we
need
infrastructure
investment
and
we
many
people
involved,
who
had
very
familiar
with
front-end
back-end
and
infrastructure
maintenance.
B
So
after
we
get
to
our
collaborations
with
the
gates
get
his
people
and
we
it
looks
like
it
has
that
that
time
we
meet
all
the
requirements
to
set
up
a
service.
So
we
quickly
get
started
doing
so.
B
So
in
the
future,
if
we
want
to
extend
to
to
enhance
the
performance
of
the
service
also,
my
company
would
like
to
invite
more
infrastructure
to
this
service
to
help
more
people
get
started.
A
And
so
I
think
that
all
of
that
is
really
great
news
and
positive,
and
I'm
looking
at
the
things
that
we
can,
the
community
can
help
with
and
I
think
we've
covered
the
first
three.
Are
you
looking
for
contributors
for
the
open,
metrics
model
in
front
end,
or
is
that
the
part
that
giddy's
engineers
are
gonna
work
on?
Where
is
the
I
guess
just
help?
Are
we
looking
for
developer
contribution
to
this
project
as
it
goes.
B
So,
in
order
to
to
make
the
whole
progress
quickly
and
deployed
in
the
deployed
as
soon
as
possible,
I
suggest
we
will
not
involve
so
many
contributors
outside
to
this
work,
but
after
it's
deployed
on
these
deployed
already
deployed
online,
and
we
contribute
all
the
code
and
solutions
to
the
chaos
for
the
rest
of
daily
work.
That
makes
we
warmly
welcome.
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
think,
yeah.
I
think
that
will
it
will
happen
faster
if
it's
a
closed
team
that
builds
it
at
first
there's
no
question:
okay,
yeah!
I
agree
I
just
had
I
wanted
to
ask
and
make
sure
that
I
had
that
clear
in
case
in
case
that
was
one
of
the
things
you
were
asking.
I
didn't
want
to
skip
over
that,
and
so
then
I
think
we
down
here.
A
Do
you
see
that
operating
out
of
this
meeting
or
the
metric
model
like
this?
Is
the
metric
model
meeting
at
least
tracking?
It's
the
beginning
of
the
end
of
the
day?
Do
we
want
to
make
that
like
we've?
Had
we
had
a
lot
of
new
ones
that
we
looked
at
the
last
time
that
are
in
development,
and
so
I
think,
how
do
we
make
them
move
more
quickly?
Is
the
question.
B
B
Can
we
release
it
quickly,
but
this
is
just
one
of
the
you
know
decision
point
to
to
decide
one
matrix
model
to
be
released,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
some
different
types
of
metrics
model.
It's
not
it's
not
available
for
the
choice,
data
things
and
it
doesn't
means
this
matrix
model
is
not
good.
B
So,
and
also,
we
would
like
to
make
some
decisions
to
see
if
this
metrics
model
it
and
could
could
do
some
insights
work
after
they
provide
us.
Some
verification
results
upon
the
real
world
data,
yeah
and
feedback
from
users
yeah,
and
also
I'm
considering
that
we
can
provide
some
tryout
area
on
the
search
on
the
service
to
let
people
to
try
this
matrix
model
to
get
fake
to
that
quickly.
Feedback.
B
If
they
don't
have
enough,
you
know
data
or
environment
to
try
this
new
matrix
model.
C
Yahoo-
I
have
a
question
about
that.
Do
you
have
a
group
of
projects
that
are
going
to
opt
in
to
kind
of
be
like
our
beta
testers
for
these
metrics
models,
or
are
they
all
going
to
just
get
run
through
the
projects
that
are
on
getty
now
or?
How
is
that
going
to
work,
or
do
you
have
thoughts
on
that.
B
I
think
your
question
is
really
great
actually
for
current
current
tryout
in
the
in
the
pog
service,
and
we
we
select
the
top
7
top
1000
project
selected
by
getty
to
start
running
the
matrix
model.
We
provided
it
to
to
to
this
service
actually,
and
also
we
selected
some
famous
github
projects
like
kubernetes
vs
code
there,
that
they
also
has
been
proving
that
they
are
successful
for
open
source
projects,
and
we
may
run
them
to
select
some.
C
Got
you
and
our
so
when
we
post
kind
of
this
data
out
there?
Are
we
posting
with
the
names
of
the
projects
or
are
we
keeping
that
anonymous.
B
Keeping
no,
we
actually
you
mean
the
contribut.
What
kind
of
names
you
mean.
C
A
Yep,
so
the
that
draws
another
question
for
me
then,
so
what
would
the
if
I
don't
see
my
project
names?
How
do
I
know
how
my
projects
are
doing?
Did
I
miss
it
because.
B
Actually
you
can
you
can
you
can
try
by
yourself?
I
think
because,
as
I
mentioned,
we
can
do
some
tryout
area
in
this
service
to
let
people
try
out
by
themselves
like
a
beta
data
matrix
model.
If
we
think
it's
not
motory
yet,
but
still
we
we
see
some
value
of
this
matrix
model.
We
can
put
it
on
the
under
service
to
let
people
try
even
for
the
people
who
create
this
matrix
model,
to
allow
those
people
to
to
try
this
matrix
model.
C
A
B
But
we
haven't
decided
to
follow
what
kind
of
progress
to
to
allow
our
researchers
to
guide
this
data
site.
We
haven't
decided.
So
that's
why
I
mentioned
here
to
to
would
like
to
get
more
discussion
to
say,
okay
and
have
they,
for
example,
they
have
to
fill
a
form
to
say
what
kind
of
research
they
would
like
to
do,
and
then
we
prove
that
to
to
to
give
them
the
data.
If
these
these
people,
you
know
validate
their
initial
purpose,
we
have
a
right
to
see
some
the
legal
things
we
we
can
use.
D
C
B
I
got
your
parents,
that's
for
that
for
personal
information.
We
we're
definitely
not
we.
We
would
not
leak
any
personal
information
to
anyone
outside
this.
Is
you
know
the
legal
things
we
are
not
allowed
to
do
this
by
by
ourselves.
C
B
D
So
my
question
is:
who
is
the
end
user
of
this?
Is
this
a
company
or
an
individual
or
the
researcher?
I
see
a
researcher
being
a
user
of
this
and
you
have
to
find
a
limitation
to
that
is
like
you
will
see
the
proposal
of
the
researcher
many
times
the
researchers
just
need
the
data
to
play
with
it
and
then
come
up
with
the
outcomes
rather
than
having
predefined
research
question
being
a
researcher
in
that
boat.
I
always
play
with
the
data
and
see
okay.
What
is
data
telling
me,
then?
A
D
A
That
way,
but
I
think
what
he's
saying
is
we'd
require
some
kind
of
framework
that
a
person
is
looking
at.
I
think
also
yahui,
we
just
in
this
in
the
sign
up
process
for
this
site,
if,
like
I,
don't
know
how
it
works
in
china
specifically,
but
in
the
u.s,
essentially
for
whatever
the
terms
of
service
for
the
site,
are
we
just
indicate
that
you
know
the
repositories
that
you
track
will
be
included
in
data
sets
released
to
researchers?
A
Okay,
you
know
something
so
people
like
it's
full
disclosure
up
front.
You
know
like
you're
gonna,
get
all
this
cool
stuff
for
free
and
academics
may
legitimately
request
to
access
it
and
write
papers
or
whatever
it
is
they
do
like.
I
don't
think
that
would
dissuade
anyone
from
using
it,
and
if
we
disclose
it
up
front,
then
it
passes
all
of
the
sniff
tests.
I
encounter
in
my
work
here
as
an
academic.
B
So
if
I
have
my
my
initial
thoughts
about
this
part
is
that
if
you
are
the
owner
of
the
project-
or
you
are
the
community
manager
of
this
project,
you
can
you
can
give
us
the
the
list
of
this
project
repository
and
we
can
start
analysis
around
these
repositories
by
using
some
some
matrix
model
and
and
if
all
the
data
is
public,
we
can.
We
can
share
and
open
some
public
results
to
everyone.
B
But
if
it's
ready
for
some
personal
information,
they
were
hiding
and
and
only
available
for
people
who
own
or
who
have
of
such
authentication
of
this
of
this
project.
A
A
A
A
So
I
think
I
think
you
have,
in
my
opinion,
you
there's
enough
of
a
green
light
here
to
just
go
and
invite
help
from
myself
or
other
members
of
the
community
where
you
need
it.
A
You
know
right
now.
I
don't
feel
like.
I
have
a.
I
don't
know
how
I
can
help
personally
so
like.
If,
like
this
looks
like
a
really
good
plan,
I
don't
think
we'll
have
any
trouble
getting
support
from
the
community
for
it.
But
it's
an
important
step,
as
elizabeth
pointed
out.
B
Actually
there
there
are
a
lot
of
discussion
around
the
whole
things.
You
know
ongoing
work
and
maybe
I
currently
haven't
really
stalled
in
this.
I
I
I
I'm
looking
for
help
from
the
community
from
you,
but
the
working
going
on
you
know
we
wouldn't
match
a
lot
of
questions
around
this
work,
so
so
yeah.
A
B
Synchronicity
is
an
option,
and
also
I
we
can
take
the
asia
pacific
meeting
and
this
matrix
model
meeting
to
sync
up
the
whole
things:
okay,.
B
I
think
it's
a
enough
and
also
as
as
you
can
see,
that
you,
elizabeth
and
the
windowed
and
more
friends
here
have
already
heard
this
plan
and
in
the
next
community
meeting
we
can
get
together.
Maybe
I
can
join
the
meeting
and
we
we
can
propose
this
plan
to
to
everybody
in
the
community
meeting
yeah
to
join
the
discussion
together.
A
Okay,
so
we'll
make
sure
that
this
is
on
the
agenda
for
the
community
meeting
a
week
from
today
at
11am
chicago
time,
frank
has
a
question
of
gh
torrent
still
maintains
itself.
I
don't
know.
A
So
that
doesn't
surprise
me
necessarily
but
yeah,
it's
important
to
know
that
I
mean
I
certainly
think
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
going
to
provide
a
more
complete
and
richer
set
of
data
than
is
available
from
gh
torrent.
The
I
used
we
used
jh
toronto
in
the
original
version
of
auger
like
five
years
ago,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
anomalies
and
issues
with
that
data
set
as
anyone
who's
worked
with
it
would
know.
A
A
We
discussed
these
metric
models
the
last
time
and
there
are
some
metrics
that
have
been
tasked
to
be
built
from
it.
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
further
updates
than
any
of
these,
that
anyone
wants
to
provide.
B
Yeah,
I
I
I
I
wait.
Actually
this
quest
in
this
last
meeting,
if
I
remember
quite
correctly,
as
you
know,
as
you
can
see,
that
I
marked
some
metrics
with
the
yellow
yep,
that
should
be
the
new
matrix
yeah
and
we
discuss
it.
The
possibility
that
to
put
poster
to
the
to
the
evolution
working
group
to
make
it
that's
a
new
matrix.
A
I
did
bring
that
up
in
the
last
evolution
meeting
so
that
work
is
beginning,
but
it's
not
finished
yet.
I
think
I
think
I'll
make
it
the
forced
subject
of
our
next
eco
evolution
meeting
and
see
if
we
can
plow
through
drafts
of
those
metrics.
Okay,
in
short
order.
B
Okay
and
recently,
we
will
to
to
using
some
real-world
data
insights
back
to
the
to
the
mattress
model,
definition
to
make
it
as
a
complete
version,
so
yeah,
and
I
will
finish
it
as
soon
as
possible
and
at
many
times
at
same
time
we
also
start
trying
out
some
other
matrix
model
to
make
it
as
a
whole
combination
of
the
ecosystem,
contacts
diarrhea.
B
So
in
the
next
two
or
three
weeks
yeah,
I
think
more
more
people
and
like
from
20
from
diang
from
from
other
people,
would
contribute
more
matrix
model
around
this
area.
Contacts
diarrhea
yeah.
A
B
A
Just
just
if
anybody
had
feedback
on
this
tagging
thing
that
we
discussed
last
time,
and
then
I
think
this.
This
is
a
metrics
model
release.
Actually,
I
think
our
discussion
earlier
suggests
that
we.
A
Cyclical
like
initial
release,
feedback
and
then
full
release,
something
like
that.
B
Yeah,
and
also
I
I
noticed
the
the
male
letter
elizabeth
sent
to
reynard
that
some
matrix
could
be
moved
to
matrix
model.
I
think
that's
the
one
option
for
the
for
some
metrics.
So
how
is
the
working
going
on
about
this
part?
I
believe
more
matrix
would
be
moved
to
matrix
model.
Do
we
have
some
work
wrong
work
plan
around
this,
or
we
just
know.
A
D
Yeah,
so
that
was
from
the
value
working
group
one
metric
we
have
released
as
a
model
like
I
have
already
submitted
the
pr.
I
think
that
was
merged
too,
as
a
release
model
yeah
and
for
the
other
one.
That
was
a
like
idea.
That
was
even
way
before
the
model
or
anything,
and
that
idea
has
been
just
sitting
ideal.
So
maybe
it's
time
to
bring
it
here
to
like
start
developing
it
over
here.
C
D
A
So
values
got
a
few
right,
yeah
yep
yeah
and
I
think
there's
some
there's
some
evolution
that
we
could
argue
about,
but
I
also
think
we
want
to
enable
working
groups
to
draft
metrics
models
on
their
own.
A
D
Yeah
no,
the
suggestion
was
like
the
working
group
can
develop
a
model
as
far
as
implementation,
like
software
implementation
goes,
that
we
can
pass
it
on
to
this.
This
model
working
group,
that's
what
we
did
for
a
model
we
developed
in
the
value
working
group
submitted
here
as
a
developer
model
for
the
implementation
by
this
working
group.
C
Also,
business
readiness
we
had
someone.
D
C
Working
group
that
was
super
interested
in
working
on
that
so
but
not
I'm
sure,
you're,
probably
gonna
connect
with
him.
His
name
is
tony.
No,
it.
D
Was
like,
I
was
reading
tony's
paper
and
I
come
across
this
model.
That's
where
I
initially
suggested
this
to
be
looked
after
as
a
model
proposed
model.
So
then
we
contacted
that
tony.
Are
you
interested
in
further?
He
was
not
much
interested,
but
they
have
written
up
and
published
a
paper
which
I
came
across
and
I
just
throw
that
idea
to
be
developed
in
this
model.
Working
group.
C
D
The
original
author
was
tony
visseman
and
he's
a
scholar
like
he's
a
very
senior
scholar
and
he
was
like,
and
I
came
across
his
paper.
That's
where
I
proposed
that
idea
and
the
value
working
group.
D
Contacted
that
scholar
and
as.
A
Is
the
I
think
the
hope
then
would
be
that
as
things
get
moved
from.
B
To
that
quickly,
but
I
think
might
has
update
a
little
bit
to.
D
A
I
think,
maybe
at
the
next
time
we
meet
in
this
group,
we
should
make
just
sort
of
review
and
really
you
know
just
review.
The
spreadsheet
should
be
probably
an
agenda
item,
sure
sure
it
just
it
seems
like
we
should.