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From YouTube: CHAOSS Metrics Models Working Group 1/18/22-1/19/22
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C
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D
Well,
I
understand
the
difficulty,
so
I
I
work
with
a
number
of
people
in
india,
so
it's
always
challenging
to
find
the
crossover
times
absolutely
but
hello,
everybody.
I
am.
I
learned
about
chaos
at
ospokon
last
september
and
I
just
recently
started
with
hpe's
ospo
as
their
compliance
program
manager,
and
so
I'm
looking
at
chaos
as
a
possible
avenue
for
synergistic
two-way
effects.
A
That
that
sounds
great
and
if,
if
you
I'll
reach
out
to
you
with
regards
to
compliance
stuff,
there's
a
lot
of
really
interesting
things
happening
in
the
risk
working
group
there,
depending
what
kind
of
compliance
you're
speaking
of
I
assume
licensing
is
part
of
it.
Yes,
well,
nice
to
meet.
You
ria
welcome!
Is
there
anyone
else
new
that
I
am
not
recognizing
as
new.
A
I
think
there
are
some
pr's
and
issues
elizabeth.
Do
you
or
what
does
everyone
think?
Should
we
go
through
the
pr's
and
issues
we
have
those
and
then
also
identifying
metrics
models
that
have
metrics
that
need
to
be
developed.
That's
in
the
spreadsheet
and
discussing
the
release
process.
Is
there
anyone
anything
else
that
folks
would
like
to
discuss
this
evening.
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A
G
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A
A
F
Hi
with
my
voice,
I
just
think
I've
been
putting
why
this
matters
instead
of
why
you
should
care,
I
know,
that's
just
a
tiny
net,
but
maybe
yeah
it's
less
anyways,
so
yeah
we
was
been
working
on
this
in
the
channel
for
metrics
models,
and
now
I
have
taken
a
swing
a
pass
by
this.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that,
and
really
what
we're
the
the
first
thing
we
did
was
to
sort
of
like
identify.
What
are
the
use
cases?
I
don't
know
that
these
are
the
exact
right.
F
This
is
under
why
you
should
care
use
case.
I
don't
know
exactly,
but
the
some
of
the
motivations
that
I'm
coming
from
is
that
as
a
potential
consumer
for
an
open
source
package,
I
want
to
evaluate
you
know
the
sustainability
like
how
stable
something
is
from
a
you
know.
That
can
mean
a
lot
of
different
things
as
a
maintainer
or
community
leader.
F
E
I
F
F
I
think
it
was
under
dei
what
types
of
metrics
already
exist.
That
might
be
useful,
so
that's
one
sentiment,
you'll
see
sort
of
a
little
bit
below.
I
hope
I'm
not
jumping
around
this
too
much
but
under
sentiment.
I
know
that
I've
seen
sean
demo,
some
stuff
around
sentiment,
but
I
I
think
you
know
where
they're
able
he's
able
to
evaluate
the
toxicity
of
the
conversation.
Something
like
that.
So
I
felt
like
that
would
also
be
helpful,
but
we're
just
like.
A
Sean
yeah,
so
the
we
want
to
optimize
inclusive
language
and
inclusive
discussion,
and
you
know
part
of
that
would
be
identifying
explicitly
hostile
kinds
of
discussion.
Yeah
and-
and
I
think
in
most
of
the
communities
that
we've
looked
at
what's
most
important,
is
identifying
sudden
shifts
in
the
tones
of
discussions
around
different.
I
A
Or
pull
requests
so
you
can
presume
a
level
of
discourse,
that's
consistent
in
most
communities
and
if
they're
sustained
already
then,
whatever
it's
at,
it's
probably
fine,
and
if
they're
looking
to
become
more
inclusive,
then
maybe
they
want
to
look
to
optimize
or
encourage
that
kind
of
communication.
Yeah.
A
F
Yeah-
and
I
mean
you
know
what
we
hopefully
maybe
want
to
get
to
is
like
once
a
month.
You
know
people
run
these
types
of
processes
or
evaluations.
They're,
like
oh
whoa,
like
you
know,
if
you
notice
the
the
shift
of
tone
here,
I
don't
think
that's
really
valuable
and
you
know
that's
a
sustainability
issue
for
sure,
and
then
we
have
a
category
under
inclusive
governance.
So
we
grab
the
code
of
conduct.
F
I
C
A
F
Yeah
yeah,
you
could
definitely
do
a
minimum
there
and
again
just
in
the
effort
to
just
throw
things
at
the
wall
here.
Etiquette
guidelines
are
something
that
I've
discovered
are
they're
optional,
but
they
can
show
that
a
maintainer
or
community
is
really
being
thoughtful
about
their
interactions.
So
a
lot
of
times
at
microsoft,
I'll
have
maintainers
reach
out
and
say
you
know,
someone's
opening
lots
of
issues
or
someone's
like
spamming,
and
none
of
these
really,
if
you
look
at
a
code
of
conduct,
are
covered.
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A
A
F
E
So
two
of
the
nodes
point
that
there
there
may
not
be
an
existing
metric
for
that
one
we've
been
finding
that
in
this
group,
where
we
focus
on
applying
metrics
to
use
cases
real
world
use
cases
that
we
sometimes
identify
gaps
in
the
metrics
that
we
need
to
go
back
to,
and
you
know
pull
into
the
broader
community,
and
so
I
think
that
these
finer
points,
for
example,
the
sentiment,
might
benefit
from
being
factored
out
to
a
different
work
item.
I
think
sean
you
mentioned
the
spreadsheet.
A
A
F
F
I
put
known
back
bad
actors
because
that's
definitely
but
again,
this
is
like
my
lens
I've
just
done
so
much
code
of
conduct
work,
there's
not
a
lot,
there's,
not
a
lot
of
ways:
privacy,
respecting
that
you
can
do
that,
but
there
are
whisper
networks
but
anyways.
I
still
put
it
there
just
as
a
like
something
to
be
mindful
of
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
materialize
into
something.
F
Still
in
the
in
the,
however,
like
in
companies
like
when
I
was
at
mozilla,
we
did
have
you
know
a
list
of
names
with
a
flag
like
red,
yellow
or
green.
So
there's
no
like
specifics
that
were
privacy
orienting.
So
we
wanted
to
invite
like
a
contributor
to
an
event
or
something
would
be
like.
Oh
that
person
has
a
red
flag
like
we
don't
so
there
are,
but
it's
more
of
an
internal
match
like
you'd,
have
to
see.
If
you
had
that
institutional
knowledge,
maybe
yeah.
F
A
A
E
F
I
did
a
lot
of
work
on
some
of
these
bullet
points.
Not
all
of
them
did
you
do
those
top
items
I
did
so
initially
there
was
a
big
bucket
items
like
it
was
like
community
inclusivity
and
they
just
linked
to
the
di
metrics,
and
so
what
I
did
was
I'm
like.
Here's
specific
dni
metrics,
I
think,
belong
here
and
I,
like
you
know
you
have
to
look
through
the
history,
but
I
was
just
trying
to
to
bucket
things
as
I
saw
them,
but
I
know
others
have
also
brought
it
in.
F
A
A
F
Maybe
it's
that
we
need
a
different
name
for
it,
because
I
think
how
you
you
you're
running,
like
just
looking
at
your
your
sentiment.
Analysis
like
that
wouldn't
be
run
on
like
a
lot
of
the
other
ones,
but
you
run
very
specifically
on
like
issues
and
discussion
groups
and
so
yeah.
Should
we
just
call
it
discussion
or
like
what
makes
sense
to,
because
that
would
be
more
of
a
method
than
I
think.
That's.
E
I
think
if
we
look
at
the
what
the
models
we've
done
in
the
past,
you
might
get
a
feeling
for
the
you
know
the
level
of
detail.
That's
ordinarily
filled
in
and
I
think
we're
filling
in
more
detail
than
we
ordinarily
would
that's
not
to
say
it's.
I
think
it's
good
to
do
this
and
it's
the
kind
of
thing
I
enjoy
and
I
want
to
do,
but
it's
worth
kind
of
being
in
sync,
with
the
previous
practice.
F
So
that's
really
helpful
for
me.
Coming
in,
I
looked
at
the
repository
and
didn't
see
any
existing
metric
models,
so
I
it
would
be
great
to
have
that
guidance
because
I
just
like
I
said
I
just
sort
of
like
put
what
I
thought
I
would
want
to
measure
and
consider
under
each
of
the
categories,
but
maybe
you're
saying
we
just
want
to
say:
communication
inclusivity,
inclusive
governance,
burnout
risk,
there's
like
these
different
categories.
We
know
matter,
but.
E
Well,
the
like
the
way
that
the
group
kind
of
structured
those
deliverables
was
that
the
metrics
model
group
sort
of
defined
the
overall
landscape
of
things
that
were
relevant
to
this
purpose
and
then
identified
either
identified.
Metrics
that
exist
and
could
be
used
or
metrics
that
are
needed
and
need
to
be
created
and
then
directed
those
to
working.
A
F
A
The
but,
but
I
think
we
are
basically
enumerating
metrics
and
the
only
perhaps
distinction
between
this
and
the
metrics
model
around
community
welcomingness,
is
that
we
identified
explicit
metrics
that
already
exist,
and
here
we're
identifying
those,
but
we're
also
identifying
metrics
that
need
to
be
created.
Yeah
and
perhaps
that's
creating
some
confusion.
F
A
F
H
I
confusion
suggest,
rather
than
just
looking
at
the
existing
and
not
thinking
of
those
that
can
be
a
potential
metric.
What
I
suggest
is
like
we
keep
all
both
the
list
and
for
those
which
we
want
the
metric
to
be
developed.
We
create
an
issue
in
a
relevant
working
group
with
a
definition
that
what
we
want
out
of
this
metric
so
that
a
discussion
can
start
and
like
a
metric,
can
be
developed
at
the
same
time.
I
H
H
E
K
B
B
From
the
user
perspective
we
can,
we
can
all
consider
it
as
a
sustainable
in
the
communities.
So
could
we
give
thing?
I
think
it's
kind
of
like
a
long
working
or
long.
A
big
big
task
could
be
divided
divide,
this
metric
model
group
into
a
smaller
one,
and
then
they
really
regroup
it
or
extract
in
into
this
sustainability
model.
B
Because
for
my
from
my
understanding
the
whole
things
about
him,
but
community
health,
it
is
health
and
the
sustainability
and
and
if
we
just
told
okay,
we
create
a
matrix
model
we
can
for
the
community.
We
can
just
call
it
a
sustainability,
matrix
model,
then
what
else
what's
inside
into
it?
So
we
have
to
construct
it.
A
I
A
I
will
have
a
lot
of
activity
if
I
provide
a
safe
environment
if
I'm
inclusive.
If
I
have
coherent
governance,
if
I
have
a
code
of
course,
a
code
of
conduct,
that's
enforced,
that
that,
if
we,
if
a
project,
does
these
things
and
is
a
project-
that's
got
a
use
in
the
world.
I
would.
These
are
like
things
that
come
before
the
sustainability
measures
that
are
seen
in
activity
metrics,
maybe
at
least
what
I'm
seeing
so
far
and
then
the
sustainability
after
the
fact
is.
We
would
see
the
activity
as
well.
G
G
You
know,
and
so
I
think
that
the
nature
of
this
metrics
model
in
particular
has
to
be
complex
and
has
to
go
deep,
because
that
way,
you're
going
to
get
a
much
broader
and
a
much
better
picture
of
that.
What's
going
on
with
that
open
source
project,
I
think
so
this
one,
this
metrics
model
might
be
a
little
different
than
our
our
other
ones,
just
because
it
is
tied
to
money
and
so
yeah
and
a
score.
F
You
know
if
there's
like
hostility
or
known
bagged
actors,
those
kinds
of
things
make
it
hard
for
them.
So
that's
that's
initially
why
I
had
added.
Initially
it
was
just
safety,
so
we
have
psychological
and
physical
safety.
Initially
was
just
safety.
We
kind
of
broken
it
down
into
two,
and
I
realized
it
gets
more
detailed,
but
that's
like
like
we
have
those
personas
up
top
or
the
user
stories.
I
mean.
How
much
are
we
trying
to
draw
a
line
to
those?
I
guess
that's.
F
My
question
is:
we're
talking
about
doing
things
like
breaking
up
work
and
that
kind
of
thing
would,
with
the
work,
make
more
sense
to
break
up
from
a
user
perspective
then
or
a
use
case
perspective
and
work
on
it
that
way
or
anyways.
That's
just
a
question
I
have
for
myself
as
well,
but
what
elizabeth
is
saying
makes
sense
to
me
too,
but.
H
F
E
E
E
E
G
G
I
A
A
B
So
I
totally
agree
that
we
can
use
this
biology
metaphor
to
describe
all
the
of
the
community
health.
I
don't
agree
with
that,
and
I
I
really
like
it,
but
I
I
think
we,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
that
maybe
we
can.
I
put
sustainability
as
a
valve
of
the
group
or
one
kind
of
matrix
model
into
these
categories
into
this
matrix
model,
and
we
can
create
more
small
matrix
model
for
this
bigger
one,
and
we
can
do
it
and
step
by
step.
B
F
That's
what
I
would
argue,
I
think
it
feels
like
the
first
section
about
safety
is
really
throwing
everyone
off.
I
don't
know
if
that's
true,
but
I
don't
think
that
was
under
safety
represents
community
health.
I
think
it
represents
a
very
specific
component
of
community
health
that
we're
calling
safety
right.
There's
lots
like
community
health
relies
on
a
lot
of
other
aspects
that
are
not
included
here
and
I
would
be
concerned
as
someone
trying
to
eventually
use
the
metric
that
we
try
and
say
it's
all
the
things
I'd
much.
F
I
don't
want
to
say,
like
here's
all
the
ways
you
can
do
this,
I
want
to
say
that,
like
safety
is
a
foundational
component
of
sustainability,
like
maybe
it's
the
most
important
part-
and
I
would
actually
argue
that's
true
for
a
project
to
be
sustainable,
but
we
could
also
I'm
also
happy
to
take
that
off
and
like
say
like
that
could
be
its
own
working
group.
I
think
people
would
be
interested
in
that
passion
and
bring
their
experience
in
research,
but
I
do
think
that
burnout
risk
funding
security
risks.
F
F
Like
here's
a
start,
so
I
just
wanted
to
flag
that
I
felt
concerned
where
that
this
is
meta
to
all
of
the
metrics,
because
I
feel
like
we'll
lose
the
specifics
that
everyone
you
know
in
the
ecosystem
is
really
clamoring
to
do
like
dwayne
from
id
is
creating
a
working
group
to
talk
about
sustainability
and
I
feel
like
we
could
really
help
inform
that
here.
So
anyways
I'll
get
off
my
soapbox.
H
H
If
I,
if
I
just
listen
to
the
word
sustainability,
it
takes
me
to
a
different
directions
like
it
can
be
in
the
activity
side,
it
can
be
on
the
business
readiness
side
or
it
can
be
in
a
different
directions.
So
maybe
we
can
focus
on
that
direction
and
green.
I
I
think
the
work
inside
this
is
good
and
it
points
to
a
certain
direction,
but
I'm
not
coming
up
with
a
like
proper
name.
We
can
think
of
a
name
rather
than
just
saying,
sustainability.
A
F
A
I
do
think
this.
I
do
think
these
safety
items
to
me.
This
is
yeah
these
these,
I
don't
know
if
they
belong
independently
or
if
they're
part
of
something
bigger.
I
I
don't
they're
they're,
certainly
critical,
because
if
you're
not
if
you
want
to
actually
have
a
sustainable
community
you're
going
to
need
more
than
old
white
men,
that
look
like
me
and
if
you
want
that,
you
have
to
do
these
things.
F
Although
one
could
argue
that
there's
some
projects,
that
being
very
sustained
with
you
know
like
toxic
behaviors
and
that
sort
of
thing-
and
I
think
that's
why
this
ties
to
the
use
case.
So
importantly
like
that's
so
like
foundational
in
asking
that
question,
because
there's
certainly
I
mean
we
can
all
think
of
like
some
that
have
just
done
fine
with
benevolent
dictators
who
staff
off.
F
B
But
one
thing:
just
the
pop-up
sorry
about
safety,
it's
from
from
current
description
here,
it's
about
for
the
david
individuals
to
make
them
feel
safe
working
at
community,
but
that's
why
I'm
saying
that
if
there's
something
about
for
the
corporations
engagement,
so
when,
when
one
company
to
join
one
community,
they
want
to
be
feel,
confronted
and
welcomed
in
the
community.
If
this
community
is
not
welcome
any
any
corporation's
engagement,
then
the
people
I
mean
the
employee
from
this
corporation
working
at
this
community
will
not
feel
safe.
B
You
know
what
I
mean
so
some
I
mean
there's
some
leadership
in
the
community.
They
don't
want
any
people-
and
you
know,
with
the
background
of
the
corporations,
join
their
company
a
drawing
journey
into
these
communities.
So
this
is
the
case
we
might
so
we
want
to
evaluate
if
this
community
is
is
friendly
enough
for
corporations
engagement.
H
F
H
So
I
have
posted
an
issue
which
was
discussed
in
the
value
where
we
decided
to
move
this
issue
to
a
metric
model
and
that
was
on
the
open
source
readiness.
So
I
asked
this
question
like
in
terms
of
funding
like
okay,
you
want
to
fund
a
project
to
see
that,
whether
it's
a
so
similar
discussion
but
on
a
different
side
of
my
tricks
is
being
discussed
in
the
value
working
group.
I
have
posted
that
no.
F
H
A
I'm
getting
a
little
turned
around,
I
think
metric
model
is
the
one
construct
and
the
discussion
that
lucas
opened
up
is:
are
there
too
many
things
in
this
one
metric
model
and
I'm
not
sure
if
there
are
or
not?
I
I
think
this
might
be
just.
I
would
call
this
like
sustainability
readiness,
like
all
of
these
things
together.
F
I
F
Yeah,
I
don't
want
to
like
belabor
other
topics
here
either,
but
yeah
funding
is
one
thing
people
want
to
know.
Should
they
be
funding
a
project
from
the
like
the
github
sponsors
group,
I
think
they're
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
surface
like
even
through
the
ui
or
this
project
you
know
is
at
risk
for
funders
like,
I
think,
there's
lots
of
potential
for
how
people
want
to
use
this
sky's
the
limit.
F
Basically,
I
don't
think
there's
any
one
purpose:
it's
like
identifying
projects
at
risk
and
where
funding
can
help,
because
funding
doesn't
always
help,
there's
other
things
that
need
to
happen
like
if
there's
a
toxic
community,
then
that's
the
intervention,
you
need
and
that's
where
we
start
talking
about
the
next
step,
which
is
like
what
is
the
intervention?
So
I
probably
rambling,
I'm
sorry,
that's
what
I
think
is
an
answer.
A
L
A
A
A
B
A
A
B
H
B
E
A
H
B
E
B
A
G
A
F
E
A
A
Yeah,
I'm
terrible
about
remembering
what
time
it
is,
but
yes,
we're
overtime.
So
I
think
this
has
been
a
very
good
discussion
and
we
have
some
momentum
and
please
use
the
slack
emma
if,
if
you
run
into
any
roadblocks
as
you
work
with
your
team,
just
slack
us
and
tag
tag.
The
folks
that
are
here
so
that
we
can
get
to
where.
F
Yeah,
and
also
like,
if
people
working
on
topics
that
you
know,
you
need
help
or
ideas
like
I'd
love
to
be
part
of
those
conversations,
because
I
know
others
that
in
our
group
in
microsoft,
who
you
know,
hopefully
I'm
going
to
be
bringing
more
folks
with
me
to
this-
calls
that
they
clear
up
the
calendars,
but
the
more
I
can
bring
their
energy
here.
I
think
the
better
yeah
faster
faster.
We
can
go
right.
That's
yeah,.