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From YouTube: CHAOSS Metrics Models Working Group 4/12/22-4/13/22
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A
B
Trying
to
go
in
dutch
to
the
netherlands,
oh,
when
do
you
leave
sunday?
Okay,
you
just
got
back
now,
then
I'll
come
back
from
there
and
I'll
go
to
finland
in
may
it's
my
global
tour.
Is
it
the
same
amount
of
time
between
trips,
it's
more
time
in
between
trips,
for
finland,
yeah,
yeah
and
finland's
longer?
Okay,.
B
A
A
A
So
I
have
a
few
things
that
I
I
would
like
to
talk
about.
If,
if
you
have
things
you'd
like
to
talk
about,
if
you
could
add
your
comments
to
the
agenda,
that
would
be
really
cool,
but
I
just
have
a
few
things.
Kind
of
it
actually
stems
from
yohui
the
stuff
that
you
had
shown
the
last
time
and
the
metrics
model
that
you
had
shared.
A
I
you
know
what
I'm
talking
about
like
community
activity
or
whatever
it
was,
and
elizabeth
some
of
the
toolkit
stuff
that
you
had
done
and
some
of
the
things
that
I
was
doing
with
respect
to
the
badging,
the
badging,
because
I
I
still
am
not
totally
satisfied
on
our
metric
model.
Template
and
I'd
really
like
some
input
on
this.
So
I
can
share
my
screen.
A
And
so
deep
thoughts
are
requested
if
deep
thoughts
from
does
anybody
remember
that
from
saturday
night
live
yeah,
deep
thoughts
with
jack
candy,
so
deep
thoughts
would
be
appreciated.
So
the
the
template
that
we
currently
have
is
is
this
so
why
it
matters
user
stories
things
you
need
to
deploy
this
model
metrics
that
are
in
the
model,
with
kind
of
an
assortment
of
things
in
here,
references
and
contributors,
and
so
we've
been.
A
So
this
is
essentially
where
we're
at
this
was
based
on
some
original
template
development,
and
then
I
think
this
was
built,
then
from
elizabeth
some
of
the
work
you
had
done.
I
think
emma
had
made
some
suggestions
as
well
to
the
template
and
we're
here,
and
I
I
don't
mind
this
template
at
all,
but
it
does
raise
a
few
questions
for
me.
So
so
here
is
the.
So
let
me
give
you
some
context
so
elizabeth.
This
is
the
toolkit
that
you
had
been
working
on.
Do
you
remember
this?
A
I
do
from
a
while
ago.
So,
and
this
was
you
had
done
these
like
just
particular
metrics,
you
know
code
of
conducted
event.
You
should
recognize
these,
then
you.
This
is
the
one
that
that
I
think
you.
I
don't
know
if
you
had
done
this
alone,
but
you
could
put
this
together
kind
of
following
the
same
template
again
right,
and
so
then
this
was
the
one
and
I'm
not
none
of
them
are
are
bad.
A
A
So,
basically,
I
was
trying
to
kind
of
work
my
way
through
this
one
as
well
all
right.
So
one
of
the
questions
that
I
have
is
thanks.
I
should
that's
me
so
when
we
talk
about
if
we
are
going
to
use
the
toolkit
approach,
that
would
say
something
like
this
metric
is
in
the
realm
of
two
to
four
hours
and
elizabeth.
I'm
not
like
calling
you
out
on
some
time
thing
here,
but
those
are
sounding
like
ikea
instructions.
Actually,
now
that.
A
A
And
what
I
mean
by
this
is
when
we
do
dei
badging
like
to
look
for
a
code
of
conduct
only
takes
about
10
minutes
to
make
a
code
of
conduct
takes
like
six
hours
or
whatever
and
they're
two
different
things,
and
so
I
wasn't
sure
what,
where
we
landed
on
this
because
an
event
in
the
d
you
get
what
I'm
going.
Probably
in
the
dei
event
badging,
I
don't
actually
make
code
of
conducts.
I
don't
make
diversity
access
tickets.
A
D
F
D
D
A
D
H
D
H
And
so
I
you
know,
I
know
that
it's
not
great
but
like
for
someone
coming
in,
I
feel
like
that
piece
is
super
duper
helpful
if
we
can
manage
to
figure
out
how
to
present
that,
because
if
I
only
have
you
know
a
few
hours
extra,
I'm
an
open
source
maintainer,
I
got
like
two
hours.
What
can
I
do?
First
off
the
bat?
Okay,
something
that's
easy,
something
that
takes
two
hours
awesome.
You
know,
I
think
it
just
really
would
help,
but
I
know
that,
obviously,
that
data
is
not
great.
C
D
A
The
point
of
moving:
it
is
a
good
idea,
so,
if,
if
we
go
towards
like
implementation,
difficulty
and
measurement
difficulty,
I
like,
I
wonder
about
the
implementation
part
so
like
in
in
the
dei
case.
I
agree
it's
helpful
but
like,
if
we're
talking
about
like
time
to
close
an
issue,
we're
not
really
talking
about
helping
a
community
implement
issue,
closing
things
we're
just
measuring
we're
just
measuring
it.
We
don't
really
care
how
it
came
to
be
so
there
we
don't
really
have
like.
We
don't
go
into
the
community
and
help
them
in
that
regard.
H
Yeah,
I
agree,
maybe
implementation
of
things
of
like
how
how
to
move
the
needle
once
you
have
the
measurement,
how
to
move
the
needle
or
how
to
you
know,
get
where
you're
trying
to
go,
maybe
that
that's
going
to
be
like
a
whole
other
can
of
worms
that
we're
not
even
close
to
getting
to
really
yet
right.
Yeah.
That's
an
excellent.
A
F
A
A
F
F
C
A
C
F
H
C
G
C
A
B
A
F
B
B
G
So
people
come
here
they
they
would
like
to
use
this
matrix
model
in
their
own
community
community.
So
here
we
talk
about
why
we
need
this
matrix
model
and
why
it's
important
to
include
those
metrics
in
this
model,
and
the
next
question
would
come.
Is
it's
how
to
use
that
in
the
real
case?
So
if
we
showing
some
examples
in
this
matrix
model,
I
think
it
would
be
very
clear
for
those.
C
F
F
B
B
D
C
F
A
A
D
D
G
D
F
I
think
at
a
I
think
these
these
difficulty
levels
are
really
kind
of
at
a
at
a
high
level,
though
I
think
we're
maybe
thinking
about
this
too
much
right
so
running
a
survey.
Difficulty
medium
like,
I
think,
that's
compared
to
the
the
difficulty
of
doing
some
heavy
data
analysis.
Right,
maybe
that's
maybe
that's,
maybe
that's
considered
difficult,
and
this
is
medium
and
then,
when
you
go
down
to
this
observation
checklist,
it's
really
just
asking
people
in
your
community
are
we
are
we
overthinking
this?
F
Can
it
just
be
easy,
medium
and
difficult
at
a
very
high
level?
And
just
say
you
know
what
we're
we're
really
not
getting
into
the
details
of
it,
because
we're
not
going
to
tell
you
how
to
run
a
survey
or
build
a
piece
of
software
or
do
data
analysis
we're
just
kind
of
telling
you
that
you
need
to
think
about
that
thing
and
if
you
have
the
skills
to
do
it,
do
that
medium
thing?
If
you
don't
have
the
skills
to
do
it,
do
the
easy
medium
thing
at.
A
And
I
think,
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
value
in
not
only
the
metrics
model
example
that
you
provide
as
a
whole,
which
is
right
here.
I
think
this
is
the
entire
metrics
model.
Is
that
not?
Is
that
correct,
yep
yep
and
then
you
take
it
down
like
well
yeah
for
each
single
matrix
and
you
even
provide
this
is
what
you're
talking
about
right
now?
Isn't
it
about
providing
this
type
of
description,
and
I
I
agree.
G
So
so
for
me,
because
I
have
deployed
the
green
light
on
my
site
for
for
different
communities.
So
for
me
it's
pretty
pretty
easy
to
set
up
the
whole
thing
to
start
collecting
the
data.
Just
before
I
get
everything
ready
for
the
matrix
model.
I
already
did
still
design
it
and
I
start
calling
data,
but
for
the
for
the
other
people
they,
like
the
winner,
said:
maybe
they
haven't
prepared
for
the
data
platform
collection.
I
G
D
D
Break
it
down
or
re-categorize
it
into
a
different
kind
of
mode,
because,
instead
of
saying
this
is
an
easy
metric
to
integrate,
you
could
focus
on
who
would
be
most
easily
able
to
integrate
it.
So
you
could
say
this
is
a
metric.
A
beginner
could
do.
This
is
a
metric,
an
intermediate
could
do
so.
We
just
change
the
locus
of
the
difficulty
from
the
metric
to
the
people
we
expect
to
use
it.
A
A
Yeah
I
like
that,
because,
even
when,
like
in
yahui's
case,
who
has
gremore
lab
deployed
like
there's
no
way,
I
would
call
that
I
wouldn't
call
this
community
activity
like
beginner,
even
even
though
it
might
be
fairly
straightforward
for
you.
This
has
taken,
I
think,
a
lot
of
skill
and
thought
for
deploying
gremore
labs.
So
this
might
be
a
intermediate
or
expert.
D
F
Oops,
but
that
that
level,
the
level
of
the
level
of
persona
or
target
audience
that
you're
talking
about
not
just
the
community
manager
but
also
the
size
of
the
project
or
other.
I
think
when
we,
when
we
get
into
those
context,
weeds,
I
think
that's
too
much
so
at
a
high
level.
We
say
a
community
manager
may
be
interested
in
this,
but
trying
to
set
the
context
more
specific
than
that.
I
I
don't
know
if
that
would
be
helpful
for
these
metrics.
A
A
D
D
The
other
way
that
you
could
do
that
is
you
could
say
this
is
for
a
community,
that's
just
starting
out
or
something
like
that.
If
you
were
to
do
the
user
journey
or
the
user
stories,
I
wonder
if
it
would
make
more
sense
for
this
specific
thing,
because
all
I'm
seeing
here
is
a
basic,
simple
abstraction
before
you
ever
get
into
a
metric.
Is
this
even
worth
my
time
right
now,
yeah.
A
A
A
B
A
A
So
this
is
the
overall
representation
of
the
metric
model
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
this
is
how
I
read
through
this
yohui
also
provides
an
analysis
of
each
individual
metric
with
a
description
of
why
how
actually
not
why,
but
how
you
might
go
about
reading
the
results
as
an
example
here
correct,
am
I
still
correct?
Okay,
so
the
question
would
be:
do
we
want
to
add
to
the
template?
A
We
would
add
it
like
for
metric
one
for
metric,
two
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
plus
an
overall
example
of
what
the
metric
model
would
look
like
collectively
so
like
in
the
case
of
dei
evan
badging.
The
overall
metric
would
look
like
a
gold
match.
You
know
what
I
mean
it.
Would
it
would
look
like
like
that,
like
that's
an
example
of
what
this,
what
the
metric
model
looks
like
in
its
final
form,
so
to
speak
and
in
yehui's
case.
A
A
D
D
A
We
have
so
and
then,
back
two
years
ago
we
didn't
have
metrics
models
at
all.
So
it's
just
it's
about
whether
or
not
now
that
we
have
these
metrics
models
as
like
an
official
thing,
we've
always
kind
of
had
them,
because
other
metrics,
not
just
this
social
currency
model,
other
metrics,
are
actually
metrics
models
themselves,
we're
coming
to
learn
that
we
have
actually
released
as
metrics,
but
the
question
would
be:
should
we,
as
we
release
metrics
models,
kind
of
provide
kind
of
this
an
example
of
what
it
could
look
like
in
practice.
A
You
know,
because,
obviously
not
everybody's
is
going
to
look
like
that,
but
yehui
has
taken
the
time
to
to
show
us
what
that
would
look
like
as
a
collective
whole
and
then
also,
I
think,
don't
you
provide
an
overview
of
kind
of
how
to
read
this.
I
think
you
talk
about
project
a
as
kind
of
it's
a
little
hard
to
take
a
look
at
because
it's
less
consistent
than
project
b.
You
know
what
I
mean
in
terms
of
patterns.
C
H
C
H
H
C
A
F
So
is
the
question
about
the
requirement
that
we
deplo
deploy
the
model
yeah
and
like
be
able
to
show
it
in
so
I
mean
there
are
some
easy
ways
that
we
could
deploy
these
models,
for
example
jupiter
notebooks,
which
we
have
listed
in
the
little
thing
there,
so
we
we
could
realistically
have
the
expectation
that
every
model
that
we
create
is
deployed
in
some
form
or
fashion
fashion.
I
mean
we
could
I'm
not
voting,
yey
or
nay,
okay,.
C
I
Hi
and-
and
we
could
use
the
simple
simple
ripple
to
stone
our
online
state
and
I
lost
and
there's
there
are.
There
still
have
some
open
source
open
source
community
into
storm
like
the
github
github
online
date,
and
we
could
use
this
this
date,
the
the
real
date
and
to
express
our
ex
and
to
express
our
results
of
matrix
module
and
maybe
use
online
online
notebook
or
maybe
use
the
other
online
tool
to
show
our
results.
A
G
C
G
Think
I
think
we
don't
have
to
care
about
what
kind
of
tools
to
to
collect
or
analyze
data.
They
just
presume
that
we
have
data
writing.
We
have
because
we
have
data
scale
here
and
we
have
online
tools
to
express
the
meanings
by
the
visualization,
because
there
are
some
online
tools
to
show
up
the
visualizations,
for
example,
notebook
and
some
other
tools
like
e-charts.
G
So
we
can
show
sample
data
here,
for
example,
this
sample
data
is
coming
from
the
chaos
I
mean.
The
data
is
it's
the
same
data
of
the
chaos
community
and
also
you
can
provide
some
other
sample
data
and
then
you
can.
You
can
show
up
the
visualization
by
some
online
tools,
so
people
who
start
looking
at
this
matrix
model
they
can
simply
import
this
sample
data
and
to
deploy
this
data
as
a
visualization.
As
of
the
final
result,
they
can,
they
can
find
out
the
interesting
things
or
inside
analysis.
I
C
C
C
H
H
Like
maybe
we
could
use
the
chaos
community
because
a
lot
of
the
survey
questions
we
are
going
to
be
asking
the
community.
So
I
mean
that's,
that's
an
option
or,
as
benia
suggested,
to
have
a
case
study
implementation
for
each
metric
model
that
we
can
use
as
a
sample.
But
I
think
we
could
just
use
mock
data.
D
For
those
surveys
we
can,
we
can
actually
implement
a
simplified
version
and
they
could
really
pick
any
bi
that
they
want,
but
data
studio,
tableau
and
bi
are
all
built
specifically
to
say:
hey
really
quickly,
visualize
this
data,
so
you
can
kind
of
build
a
litmus
test.
That
says
is
this
on?
Does
it
work?
Is
it
reporting
true?
Is
it
reporting
useful?
Is
it
reporting
accurate
and
if
it
passes
to
a
certain
degree,
then
you
can
publish.
G
Maybe
I
need
to
explain
that
to
the
sample
data,
it's
kind
of
different
with
just
the
the
mock
data,
because
the
mock
data
maybe
cannot
explain
the
the
the
situation
behind
a
community,
but
if
we
take
a
real
community,
for
example,
I
mean
take
chaos,
for
example.
They
truly
know
that
the
history
behind
this
community-
they,
if
this
have
some
you
know
the
wave
change
or
or
they
are
they
survey-
have
a
pattern.
G
G
A
A
H
A
It's
hard
to
give
a
metrics
model
and
say:
okay,
so
go
out
and
collect
these
six
trace
data
things
run
this
survey
and
do
these
interviews
and
then
and
then
we're
done
we're
not
going
to
tell
you
how
to
bring
it
all
together.
Yeah
you
figure
it
out.
You
just
want
to.
Let
now
we're
all
counting
on
you
we're
going
to
tell
us
how
it
went
right.
That's
not
helpful,
so
I
think
in
the
cases
of
maybe
the
trace
data
like
what
we're
looking
at
here
with
with
yahoo's
work.
It's
this
works
quite
well.
H
Yeah
yeah,
and
I
would
think
that
would
be
the
more
low-hanging
fruit
that
we
can
focus
on
those
the
easier
ones
to
to
deploy
and
get
a
few
out
there
in
the
world
and
then
in
the
meantime,
maybe
figure
out
what
we're
going
to
do
with
these
surveys.
If
maybe
we
run
it
on
chaos,
community,
ourselves
or
somebody
else,
and.
F
What
that's,
what
I've
been
wanting
to
say
for
a
little
bit
here
is
that
we
do
have.
We
do
have
access
to
the
chaos
community,
so
our
our
community
would
be
an
excellent
platform
to
do
the.
If
we
need
sample
data
from
surveys,
we
could
we
could
grab
it
from
our
community
and
we
could
mix
that
with
our
trace
data.
F
However,
to
elizabeth's
point
earlier,
I
think,
if,
for
some
of
these
models
that
do
mix
trace
data
with
survey
data,
I
think
it
would
be
okay
to
mix.
You
know
some
some
fake
data
for
the
survey
answers
in
with
the
with
the
trace
data
just
so
that
we
can
see
what
that
would
look
like.
I
think
that
would
be
okay,
yeah.
G
I
I
think
we
still
can
convert
sorry.
I
want
to
support
your
point
because
I
we
still
can
convert
this
three
data
to
the
to
some
metrics
data
as
a
table
or
something
it's
still
be
able
to
to
value
visualize
as
a
as
as
as
shown
here.
So
it's
possible
to
do
so,
but
we
still
find
a
way
to
show
that.
But
I
think
it's
a
further
question,
so
I
I
still
think
and
that
we
could
use
in
this
sample
data.
D
F
I
D
A
A
This
has
been
a
very
mind-filling.
This
has
been
an
extremely
helpful
conversation
for
me
and
I
think
a
lot
of
these
points
for
the
these
are.
These
are
just
great.
So
thank
you.
We
have
another
mind-exploding
conversation
for
next
time,
which
is
to
define
what
a
metric
is,
what
a
metric
model
is
and
what
a
focus
area
is.