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A
Whatever
this
is
gas
metrics
model,
that's
that's
all
I
had
the
cast
metrics
model
meeting.
So
please
add
your
name.
Maybe
tell
us
how
you're
doing
tell
us
if
you
went
for
a
swim
today,
anything
like
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started,
so
I
you
can
see
in
the
minutes
I'll
share.
Can
you
make
me
co-host
elizabeth.
A
Hi,
can
somebody
drop
the
minutes
back
in
barcelona
as
well
all
right,
so
I
went
ahead
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
I
think
that
came
out
of
the
last
meeting
was
perhaps
it's
a
good
idea
to
start
with
the
development
of
some
metrics
models
and
then
kind
of
start.
Locating
those
metrics
models,
as
opposed
to
thinking
about
how
we
might
make
metrics
models
and
then
spending
a
lot
of
time
on
that
and
then
kind
of
over
defining
it
and
not
having
much
luck
in
making
the
model.
A
So
what
I
did
was
I
I
have
the
the
model
that
really
started
all
of
this,
that
is
down
here
below
the
community
development
metric
model,
and
then
I
also
went
ahead
and
I
built
a
metrics
model
for
the
chaos
dei
event
badging
program.
So
this
is
a
program
that
exists
right
now
that
brings
together
the
metrics
of
advent,
demographics,
code
of
conduct
and
event
and
the
rest
down
there.
So
I
tried
to
model
the
top
one
kind
of
against
what
we
had
here.
A
If
you
remember
our
our
spreadsheet,
so
I
had
the
chaos
dei
event,
badging,
just
a
really
short
overview
of
why
we
care
the
actual
metrics
that
would
be
in
this
metrics
model
and
then
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
we
put
here
with
respect
to
a
link
to
a
metrics
model.
So
people's
first
reaction
to
this
that
I'd
get
this
going
before
we
arrived
here
too
much
too
little,
not
enough
info
in
a
model
like
this
hi
lucas.
A
Silence
reading
thinking
reading
and
thinking
is
good,
so
lucas
we're
just
this
is
a
a
program
that
already
exists
in
the
chaos
project.
This
is
it's
quite
successful
in
terms
of
badging
events
for
their
attention
to
these
things.
So
part
of
what
we
came
up
with
last
week
was
perhaps
the
better
approach
to
the
metrics
model
is
really
just
to
kind
of
define
how
metrics
are
brought
together
already.
A
A
C
So
so
in
in
this
project,
I
think
that
the
like
the
idea
of
how
the
group
is
going
to
work
is
still
being
formed
collaboratively,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
jump
the
gun.
I
think
it
takes
patience
at
first.
C
And
I
appreciate
that
kind
of
spirit
of
of
community
that
that
you
and
everybody
else
is
kind
of
listening
patiently
and
discovering
the
purpose
and
the
structure,
and
so
what
I
find
about
this,
this
kind
of
construction
that
I
like
is
the
way
that
it
ties
together
the
purpose
and
the
components
and
surfaces
the
purpose
and
speaking
as
a
as
a
product
manager.
C
C
A
Yes,
yes,
so
the
let's
see
I
have
to
go
back
into
my
way
back
machine
a
week
ago,
when
we
talked
about
the
app
ecosystem,
working
group
and
really
what
they
were
doing
then
kevin
or
venat
or
yuhoy
remind
me
of
our
conversation,
but
what
they're
doing
is
they're
they're
talking
about
a
potential
scenario
where,
where
metrics
might
be
valuable,
okay
and
the
metrics
are
not
even
currently
defined
in
this
scenario,
so
let's
see
the
one,
here's
the
app
ecosystem
here.
Let
me
pull
this
up.
D
C
I
was
thinking
about
an
application
of
of
this
group
along
these
lines,
and
I
and
I
had
an
idea
for
kind
of
a
example
metric
that
doesn't
exist
yet
and
I'll
just
put
it
out.
There
is
maybe
something
that
would
be
helpful
in
crafting
what
we're
doing
as
a
real
world
example,
and
that
idea
is
a
metric
for
contributions
for
open
source
projects.
C
So
you
know
it's
standard
to
acknowledge
contributions,
and
but
it's
a
it's
a
subtle
thing.
It
can
be
a
little
hard
to
know
how
to
do
that
and
what
to
acknowledge
and
how
to
measure
and
whether
it's
all
manual
and
how
you
keep
up
at
scale
and
so
on,
and
I
think
that
acknowledgements
are
a
form
of
metric,
and
so
I
put
that
out
there
as
a
potentially
useful.
A
E
So
we
we
do
have
a
contribution
attribution
metric
in
value
that
I
believe
is
going
under
review.
E
Yes,
just
a
second.
A
A
The
app
ecosystem
is
here,
we'll
do
this
goal
of
say
retaining
and
attracting
contributors,
and
there
may
or
may
not
not
be
metrics
that
exist
in
the
chaos
project,
so
they're
just
they're
a
little
bit
more
broad
brushed
than
we
are
so
we're
we're
really
trying
to
think
about
the
existing
set
of
metrics
and
the
same
here.
I
know
this
doesn't
look
good
on
the
screen,
but
the
workflow,
the
community
development
metric
model
each
one
of
these
things
in
here.
Each
one
of
the
rows
is
an
existing
metric
from
the
chaos
project.
A
And
thank
you
for
that.
Yeah,
that's
that's
it's
funny.
You
asked
that
because
we
didn't
even
know
the
distinction
until
we
did
a
little
thinking
ourselves
because
for
a
while
we
thought,
if
they're
doing
something
similar,
then
it
doesn't
make
a
ton
of
sense
to
to
reinvent
the
process
wheel.
So
to
speak.
You
know
what
I
mean
if
they're
already
working
in
this
regard,
then
we
don't
need
to
reinvent
the
way
that
they
work.
A
So
the
what
I'm
trying
to
do
here
and
I
think
the
community
development
flow,
this
metric
model
down
here
in
the
dei
badging
metric
model-
they're,
certainly
not
perfect
by
any
means
I
was
just
trying
to
like
get
them
out
there
as
food
for
thought.
I
think
it's
easy
to
talk
easier
to
talk
around
things
that
we
can
visualize,
and
so
I
had
a
series
of
questions
that
that
I
think
might
be
useful
and
and
lucas.
You
said
you
liked
the
presentation
of
them,
or
at
least
the
top
one,
just
kind
of
help.
A
We
kind
of
err.
I
intentionally
aired
on
the
side
of
simplicity
in
this
one.
Why
do
you
care?
What
are
the
metrics?
That's
it
there's
there's
really
nothing
else
in
there
we
could
probably
add
some
additional
components
here
like
how
the
metric
is
actually
deployed
in
this
dei
event.
Badging
program
because
there's
some
subtleties
there
like
how
we
deploy
questions
around
event,
demographics,
how
we
apply,
questions
around
code
of
conduct
and
event
right,
there's
some
there's
some
layers
below
just
saying
here-
are
the
metrics
to
use,
but
like?
A
A
C
So
at
merica
we
had
to
do
a
comparable
exercise
and
we
basically
reviewed
everything.
C
Chaos
had
done
with
an
eye
towards
a
specific
use
case,
and
it
it
took
a
little
a
little
doing
like
I
need
to
read
every
single
page
on
the
website
pretty
much
and
like
like
by
the
end
of
it,
like
my
eyes,
were
kind
of
swimming
with
text
it
was
just
and,
and
what
I
took
out
of
it
was
you
know,
seven
or
eight
things
that
belong
together,
and
that
was
a
significant
barrier
to
taking
advantage
of
of
all
the
work
and
research
and
thought
that
put
in.
C
E
I'm
sorry
look
ahead,
kevin.
I
was
just
going
to
partially
answer
or
add
a
little
more
depth
to
the
question
as
well.
So
the
difference
the
difference
between
what
we
are
doing
here
and
what
the
app
ecosystem
group
is
doing
and
I'll
use
I'll
use.
Sean's
words
is
that
their
the
app
ecosystem
is
taking
a
a
a
top-down
approach
and
we
are
taking
kind
of
the
bottoms
up
approach.
E
So
the
work
that
the
app
ecosystem
is
doing
is
actually
very
similar
to
our
working
groups
they're
using
the
the
the
goal
question.
What
is
that
the
goal?
Question
metric
model,
so
they're
they're
actually
using
that
metric,
so
the
work
that
they're
doing
is
very
much
identifying
metrics
that
need
to
that.
That
can
be
defined
and
they're,
starting
with
kind
of
a
a
bit
of
a
a
use
case,
and
then
metrics
that
aren't
defined
that
would
fit
into
that
use
case,
and
our
step
is
is
the
opposite.
E
We
are
taking
metrics
that
have
already
been
defined
and
we're
trying
to
organize
them
into
into
models
that
are
helpful
to
people
that
might
consume
the
metrics.
So.
B
So
yes,
so
the
there.
The
idea
from
the
metrics
model
is
like
I
found
so
many
good
metrics
existing
in
our
chaos
community
and-
and
it's
so
many
that
yeah
I
cannot
organize
the
into
together.
So
I
have
to
figure
out
how
to
use
them
in
my
real
case,
so
you
know
we
have
some
communities
running
already.
B
Some
manager
asked
me:
okay,
we
wanna
to
mirror
our
communities
health
status.
You
have
to
find
some
metrics
used
for
files
so
based
on
these
those
requirements,
I
put
some
metrics
together
for
some
for
some
specific
purpose
to
doing
so,
so
I
agree
with
kevin
knight
to
make
they
may
use
this.
Existing
metrics
do
some
some
specific
purpose
working.
C
One
straightforward
application
of
the
work
of
this
group
could
be
to
improve
usability
of
the
website.
There
could
be
a
new
page
that
documents
each
of
the
models
that
we
identify.
E
Yes,
definitely
plus
plus
22.
To
that
it's
that's
the
that's
really.
One
of
my
my
primary
goals
is
to
find
better
ways
to
present
and
organize
the
metrics
on
the
website.
I
think
that's
the
for
me.
The
the
website
is,
is
that
that
frontline
place
where
this
belongs
right?
Because
we
are,
we
are
talking
about
how
people
consume
the
metrics.
So
this
is
where
they.
This
is
the
first
place.
They
might
go
to
actually
consume
the
metrics
so
and
we
do
have
some.
E
We
do
have
some
prototype
pages
that
we
started
to
build
there,
basically
navigation.
That
would
allow
us
to
sort
the
metrics
into
different
kind
of
buckets,
because
right
now,
they're
just
on
the
website,
they're
just
sorted
by
working.
D
Groups
what
I
recall
previously
it
came
up.
I
think
king
shared
an
image
of
a
visualization
of
all
the
metrics.
I
don't
have
access
to
that
image,
but
I
recall
that
image
was
shown
in
the
community
meeting
how
to
visualize
all
the
metrics.
So
maybe
we
can
have
that
visual
and
think
of
those
scenarios.
Looking
at
the
visual
will
be
helpful.
Maybe
if
somebody
can
find
that
image
or.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
little
different
here,
so
this
is
that
was
all
the
existing
metrics
by
focus
area.
This
would
be
like
showing
it
would
basically
be
like
on
the
page.
It
would
be
a
drop
down.
That
would
say
show
me
the
metrics
that
are
part
of
the
ksdei
event
badging,
and
it
would
filter
all
everything
else
out.
D
A
Okay,
I
don't
know
where
that
is
that
visual
that
you're
talking,
so
yes,
you
can
track
it
down.
That'd,
be
awesome.
Yeah,
yeah,
I'll.
A
I
also
completely
agree
at
the
way
that
kevin
agreed
that
improving
access
and
like
like,
we
still
have
to
define
the
metrics
and
have
that
markdown
page
like
we
still
have
to
have
that
definition
that
detailed
definition
of
what
the
metric
is,
but
right
now
to
your
point,
we're
like
giving
that
entire
dense
definition
of
all
60
metrics
to
somebody
that
comes
to
the
page
like
here.
Here's
everything
here
are
all
the
definitions.
They're
all
this
pretty
big
markdown
file
and
in
doing
this
yeah
yeah.
G
F
Yeah
students
are
the
contributors
to
how
to
how
to
learn
about
the
metrics
from
some
consequences.
So
a
so
so
we
should
try
to
make
some.
Maybe
some
process
of
our
community
works?
Not
so
we
we
will
present
the
development
modes
and
then
we
should
we
can
present
the
governance
mode
or.
G
F
That's
that's
the
courses
about
how
to
perform
a
performance
in
the
community
like
you.
Maybe
you
are
the
manager
of
the
committee
or
the
development
roles
in
the
community
or
the
something
like
the
leaders
or
they
can
find
some
way
to
learn
the
matches
from
the
different
process.
So
I
think
that's
in
use.
Yeah.
A
Okay,
so
then
I'm
starting
to
think
on
two
fronts.
One
is
at
some
point:
there's
there
are
the
metrics
models.
There
are
these
things
there
are
these
visuals
like
this
and
there's
these
visuals
like
this
and
there's
the
visuals
like
what
lucas
was
talking
about
in
america,
there's
the
visuals
that
sean
has
talked
about
and
working
with
with
folks
in
the
community
how
he
draws
metrics
together.
A
So
there
are
those
things
the
and
I
think
we
can
capture
those
and
probably
probably
categorize
them
in
some
form
or
fashion,
to
comments
point
in
these
different
focus
areas.
My
guess
is
that
we
can.
We
can
do
that.
The
other
part
that
I
don't
know
if
this
is
what
you
were
saying
coming,
but
this
is
what
I
heard
when
I
heard
you
talking.
A
C
So
so
I
I
want
to.
I
want
to
propose
something
like
a
mvp
for
this
project,
and
this
is
intended
just
to
give
us
something
to
work
towards
that's
small
and
shippable
and
useful,
and
I
I
I
am
envisioning
a
page
titled
how
to
or
recipes
so.
This
is
kind
of
a
standard
component
in
documentation.
C
And
it
would
contain
as
an
mvp
three
models,
only
three
and
each
of
the
models
would
be
roughly
the
same
size
as
what
you
defined
already,
or
at
least
that's
kind
of
the
starting
point.
Okay,
and
for
the
purposes
of
information
architecture,
those
would
link
back
to
the
to
their
sources
and
that
would
kind
of
get
to
the
site
map
component.
C
E
So
so
real
real
quick,
I
I
shared,
we
have
three
or
four
prototypes,
but
I
shared
just
a
couple
links
to
the
website.
Can
you
let
lucas
finish
his
thought?
First,
yep.
Sorry.
C
E
Yeah
yeah,
I
I
completely
agree
with
what
you're
saying.
C
E
So
the
in
the
links-
I
I
showed
you,
the
the
prototype-
isn't
really
the
the
the
tables
or
the
like
the
dni
badging
or
the
community
metrics
that
are
there.
The
the
prototype
is
more
about
how
we
filter
the
metrics.
So
there's
a
basically
there's
a
there's,
a
button
that
would
allow
us
to
change
the
way
the
metrics
are
presented.
So
we
can,
we
can
pull
up
these.
E
You
know
the
full
metrics
released
by
working
group
is
the
default.
That's
how
we
do
the
release
and
then
we
can
filter
them
into
metrics
that
belong
to
this
event.
Badging,
which
would
be
this
so
this
would
be
where
the
the
models
or
the
the
recipes
so
to
speak,
would
go
and
then
each
of
the
and
then
we
would
still
link
out
to
those
those
metrics
pages.
So
you
could,
you
know,
dig
into
what
attendee
demographics
actually
is,
but
so
that
that's
kind
of
how
I
envisioned
it.
E
Each
model
each
model
would
have
its
own
page,
so
the
the
filtering
navigation
would
actually
it's
a
sub
navigation.
That
would
take
you
to
the
different
model
pages.
F
Yeah,
I
think
the
standalone
pages
is
needed,
because
maybe
the
users
of
these
matches
will
be
confused
by
its
focus
area
and
matches
modes
where
we
should
offer
some
different
pages
for
it.
B
E
Yeah,
I
want
to
stress
that
these
prototypes
are
really
primarily
based
on
how
we
would
filter
so
the
the
tables
that
are
there
aren't
really
that's,
not
the
prototype,
the
like
how
we
would
filter
how
we
would
filter
the
metrics
and
move
between
metrics
on
our
release.
Page.
That's
the
the
prototype
is
just
how
we
would
filter.
B
Okay,
and-
and
also
I
mean
the
visualization-
is
over
everything
I
mean
if
we
can
show
the
metrics
come
up
with
the
visualization,
I
mean
everything
has
a
flow
of
precise.
I
mean
users
or
visitors,
could
quickly
understand
what
you
are
talking
about
about
this
matrix
model.
Yeah.
E
E
A
year
ago,
maybe
I
mean
I
keep
on
telling
you
I've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
while
all
right.
A
A
D
Totally
agree:
this
was
just
a
help
as
a
like.
When
I
have
a
scenario,
I
see
a
handy
list
that
I
can
see
the
matrix
already
there
that
can
help
me.
Okay.
This
is
just
just
a
helping
and
if
I
have
a
scenario
for
example,
d
and
I
what
metrics
I
can
see
quickly
see
in
the
list
that
I
can
pick
and
add
it
to
the
model
I'm
discussing
or
gotcha,
okay.
E
D
E
C
Maybe
there
is
a
a
kind
of
reduced
summarized
version
of
this
that
can
fit
gracefully
into
the
new
visualization,
whatever
that
will
be,
and
what
I'm
visualizing
is.
You
know
what
matt
put
together
to
start
this
all
off.
A
All
right,
this
is
great,
so
so
lucas
are
you.
Let
me
ask
a
question
here
too:
not
don't
worry
about
like
what's
down
here.
You
know
what
I
mean.
Can
you
see
my
screen?
Yes,
don't
worry
about
what's
down
here
but
like
up
here,
do
you
see
this
as
being
like
a
new
top
level
link
that
says
like
metrics
models
or
recipes
or
whatever
it
ends
up
saying
or
do
you
see
it
like
part
of
here.
C
C
I
actually
I
might
reference
it
in
the
in
the
home
page
above
the
banner,
because
it's
kind
of
for
people
who
are
on
their
first
day.
A
Right
like
this
is
an
important
page,
but
this
is
probably
not
the
first
page
that
people
need
to
see,
and
so
in
doing
so
to
your
point
then
lucas
and
kevin
as
you're.
Both
I
think
on
the
same
page,
we
provide
something
that
looks
actually
a
little
like
this
right,
but
I
mean
it's,
I
don't
know
quite
how
we
kevin.
Maybe
you
could
think
about
this,
but,
like
you
know,
if
they
click
a
link
that
takes
them
to
the
metrics
model,
top
page
like
how
we
present.
Is
it
just
a
filter
at
the
top?
E
A
E
I
think
we'd
have
a
we'd
want
to.
We
would
want
to
call
out
on
the
front
page
on
the
home
page
as
well,
just
a
a
section
on
the
front
page
that
specifically
calls
out
to
these
metric
models.
Okay
and
then
maybe
there's
a
maybe
there's
a
landing
page
where
it's
metrics
for
community
managers
metrics
for
some
sort
of
activity
where
we
then
we
filter,
we
filter
from
there.
B
H
E
An
example
I
I
like
the
I
like
the
design
of
this
page
as
well,
so
it's
very
it's
very
clean.
E
Well,
we
have
model,
we
have
model
focus
areas,
so
the
the
model
focus
areas
are
governance,
yeah
operations,
development,
so
the
the
images
would
align
with
those
focus
areas
right
there.
I
think
the
focus
area
is
that
this.
C
Comments
I'd
say:
I
totally
agree
with
this
direction:
I'm
going
to
post
a
link
to
another
comp
that
has
a
similar
purpose
and
kind
of
information
architecture
challenge.
It
isn't
a
design
thing
like
yeah,
yeah,
okay,.
I
C
This
has
a
hierarchy,
there's
multi-party
payments,
and
that
has
a
subsection
of
specific
items.
E
A
E
A
Okay,
so
this
is
great
because
I
think
where
we
ended
up
kind
of
going
in
this
conversation
started
to
get
us
through
two
things,
which
was
one:
how
do
we
actually
bring
these
metrics
models
forward,
whatever
they
might
be?
I
think
we
already
kind
of
have
a
way
that
we
can
organize.
A
Pretty
cool,
we
have
to
define
them,
but
this
is
the
conversation
today
has
been
about
how
we
bring
them
forward
and
I
think,
as
always,
there
have
been
some
really
really
good
ideas
kevin.
I
think,
as
our
resident
website
person,
you're
gonna
need
to
maybe
think
about
or
or
talk
out
loud,
and
we
can
talk
with
you
like
how
how
if,
if
I
produce
a
new
metrics
model
like
how
do
I
process-wise
get
that
to
you
the
way
that
we
get
metrics
to
you?
E
I
don't
think
we
have
a.
We
don't
have
a
way
of
even
improving
metrics
models
yet
so
I
think
the
the
first
way
is
to
maybe
think
about
how
we
create
the
metrics
models
and
approve
them
within
this
working
group
and
I'm
and
I'm
not.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
go
through
a
community
review
process,
the
same
way
that
we
we
do
with
the
metrics.
I
think
this
is
a
little
more
informal.
E
E
A
model
like
that,
I
think
we
could
be
a
little
more
informal
on
how
we
release
these
models
right.
We
we
could
still
do
some
sort
of
community
review
or
or
share
them
before
they
go
to
the
website,
but
I
don't.
I
don't
think
we
have
to
have
a
release
cadence
and
I
don't
think
we
need
to
version
them
the
way
we
version
metrics.
B
B
D
B
A
E
B
B
E
A
E
E
Open,
I'm
certainly
open
to
trying
other
if
we
want,
if
we
want
to,
but
we
will
have
to,
we
probably
need
to
have
kind
of
a
a
standard
way
of
not
like
the
form
that
the
models
would
take,
but
some
sort
of
standard
document
type
that
we
can
use
so
that
we
have
some
consistency
in
how
we're
presenting
them.
B
E
A
We
just
have
like
why
this
matters,
you
know
who
might
care
you
could
have
just
a
few
subheadings,
and
maybe
I
could
issue
just
a
pr
to
build
the
template
out
and
just
you
could
just
take
a
look
at
it
and,
if
you're,
okay
with
that,
we
could
just
merge
that
template
in
and
just
kind
of
work
off
that
for
the
next
two
weeks.
Is
that.
E
B
Also
yeah,
and
also
how
to
draw
the
picture,
I
just
send
the
link
I
I
remember
I
sent
this
link
before
and
they
say
this
link
to
help
us
to
draw
different
kind
of
pictures
or
visualizations
like
demo
and
and
just
similar
like
a
whistle,
but
it's
open
source.
You
can
export
this
as
a
different
format
like
svg
and
any
other
format.
B
B
Yeah
I
mean
yeah
when
they
create
these
pictures.
You.
A
And
then
maybe
you
and
I
can
bring
a
couple
of
those
to
the
meeting
in
two
weeks
and
then
and
kevin,
and
I
mean
if,
if
we
can
get
them
done,
maybe
you
can
kind
of
like
peek
at
them
prior
and
see
how
they
might
look
on
that
on
the
pages
that
you
have.
I
don't
have
it
up
right
now,
but
the
one
oh
yeah,
this
one,
you
know
what
I
mean
just
it
can
be
super
rough.
E
Yeah
yeah
we
can,
we
can
definitely
use
those
pages
to
to
prototype
these
and
I'll.
I
may
maybe
create
a
few
different
prototypes
on
how
we
can
display
them
from
the
the
home
page
as
well.
Okay,.
A
A
Geez
louise,
so
I
mean
we
got
a
lot
of
we
gotta.
We
have
we're
putting
pressure
on
ourselves
to
have
every
meeting,
be
this
productive,
so
far
high
great,
so
I
think
this
is
this
is
good.
I
think
we
kind
of
have
some
action
items
between
all
of
us.
I
don't
think
you
know.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
as
to
kind
of
what
we're
doing
and
how
to
to
move
forward?.
G
I
don't
have
a
question.
I
just
have
a
comment
that
we
are
moving
to
a
bi-weekly
format,
so
no
meeting
next
week,
just
for
anyone
who
had
not
heard
that
news.