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From YouTube: CHAOSS Metrics Models Working Group Jan 17-Jan 18 2023
Description
Minutes to this meeting can be found here: https://chaoss.community/participate
A
B
C
D
B
Cool
we'll
do
that,
um
okay,
so
the
next
thing
on
the
list
was
getting
the
one,
the
metrics
models
that
we've
released
into
the
website,
um
because
we
had
quite
a
few
that
are
ready
to
go
and
just
haven't
been
published
on
the
websites.
But
now
that
the
website
design
is
almost
finished
basically
finished.
B
A
B
Think,
thank
you.
Elizabeth.
Oh
yeah,
no
worries
doing
that.
Yeah,
really
fine,
yeah
totally
fine,
um
because
the
process
to
post
something
on
the
website
is
a
little
bit
different
than
it
was
in
the
past.
um
But
I
have
a
lot
of
I've
done
that
for
a
lot
of
of
our
other
metrics,
so
yeah,
it's
totally
fine
and
I
can
document
that
process
at
some
point
just
for
whoever,
but
for
now
I
think
once
we
have,
uh
we
wanted
to
Matt
and
I
both
wanted
to
post
this
to
the
group.
B
When
we
have
a
metric,
a
metric
model,
that's
ready
for
release,
we're
thinking
that
it
does
not
need
to
go
through
any
like
public
review,
because
all
of
the
metrics
in
there
have
already
been
vetted
and
developed
and
reviewed,
and
we
think
it's
okay
to
just
once.
We
think
it's
done
just
put
it
out
on
the
website.
Yeah.
A
B
D
B
um
Fair
enough
all
right
we're
moving
we're
moving
through
this
agenda,
so
quick,
I
love
it.
The
next
one
on
here
is
that
Don
had
developed
a
metrics
model
um
right
here
called
basic
project.
Health
I
mean
this
is
based
on
her
work
at
VMware.
This
is
what
they
are
using
at
VMware,
so
um
we
wanted
to
kind
of
post
this
to
the
group
and
get
some
feedback.
It
looks
like
he
always
put
in
a
little
bit
of
feedback
on
here.
For
us.
B
B
A
B
A
Yeah,
so
the
I
mean
Evolution
could
build
it.
Common
could
build
it.
The
release.
Cadence
is
it's
one
of
those
metrics
that
um
it
can.
How
can
I
say
it?
It
can
vary
so,
for
example,
in
in
the
case
of
auger,
we
do
releases
formerly
on
GitHub
and
there's
metadata,
that
we
can
gather
about
those
releases
and
I
think
many
projects
do
operate.
C
A
Way
there
are
other
projects
that
do
not
issue
the
releases
on
GitHub,
but
they
issue
the
releases
to
package
managers
that
don't
deploy
the
project
and,
and
so
there's
a
couple
of
places
that
we
might
need
to
look
for
that
data
does.
um
But,
but
if
Dawn
is
including
it
I
suspect
strongly.
That
Don
is
lying
since
I
know
that
she's
using
auger
I
suspect
she's.
Relying
on
the
GitHub
release,
information.
B
B
A
B
A
That
would
be
the
that
would
be
the
formality
of
it.
um
So,
on
the
other
on
the
defining,
this
metric
is
a
very
small
task,
um
because
it's
a
very
basic
metric
and
I
think
the
so
I'm
going
to
ask
the
question.
Give
me
an
action
item
to
bring
this
up
in
common
um
to
see.
If
Dawn
intends,
uh
let's
see
what
her
doc
is.
Oh
dot.
Actually
Don
has
drafted
the
release.
Cadence.
B
A
A
B
B
D
B
B
When
we
have
ideas
from
other,
like
the
Osco
working
group,
for
instance,
if
they
have
an
idea
for
a
metrics
model
like
how
would
it
get
back
to
us
um
I,
don't
know
that
a
flow
has
been
defined.
I
know,
we've
talked
about
it,
um
I,
don't
know
what
do
you?
What
do
you
think
Leon?
What
do
you
think
about
that.
D
B
B
B
And
we've
not
I
I,
don't
think
we've
gotten
to
the
point
now
where
um
Compass
has
identified
something
in
a
model
that
maybe
should
be
tweaked
or
isn't
correct.
But
presumably,
if
that
happens,
that
team
would
come
back
to
this
group
and
say
hey.
We
have
a
model,
that's
not
quite
right
that
we
need
to
fix
and
then
we
would
fix
it.
I've
assume
that
that's
how
that's
as
simple
as
it
would
be,
it's
just
for
them
to.
B
B
um
Actually,
you
know
this
brings
up
a
good
point:
the
metrics
models
on
our
website.
We
don't
really
reference
anything
on
the
compass
website
for
validation
like
if
you
want
to
see
this
metrics
model
in
action.
Click
here
and
it
takes
off
to
the
compass
site.
Is
that
something
that
would
be
of
interest
or
appropriate
I?
Don't
I,
don't
know
I'm,
just
I,
don't
have
any
strong
feelings,
I'm,
just
throwing
it
out
there
I.
A
Do
we
um
yahui
is
not
here,
so
um
that's
I,
think
I
think
uh
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
I
think
we
want
yahui
to
feel
comfortable
that
compasses
at
a
stage
where
he
wants
that
that
it
would
be
that
I
know
that
um
and
it's
been
a
month
since
we
talk
so
I,
don't
know
and
I
know
they
were
still
working
on
working
on
some
of
the
you
know.
It's
a
new
system
working
out
some
of
the
bugs
and
stuff
sorry
I.
A
No
he's
comfortable
that
it's
at
a
state
in
a
state
where
that's
like
gonna
is
going
to
be
good,
where
you
know,
because
we
you
don't
want
to
do
it
until
you
is
comfortable
that
the
compass
will
reflect
positively
um
in
exactly
the
way
that
he
wants
it
to
I.
Think
it's
excellent
so
far,
but
I
know
he
was
still
working
through.
You
know
a
few
of
the
little
things
that
happen
with
new
software
and
yeah
I.
B
C
B
A
C
A
A
A
A
B
All
right:
well,
let's
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
the
next
thing
on
here,
which
is
the
ospo
working
group
goals.
So
the
ospo
working
group,
as
as
you
all
know,
the
formerly
known
as
the
value
working
group
and
now
it
focuses
on
the
needs
of
ospo's.
So
in
the
last
meeting
was
a
very
large
meeting.
We
had
like
22
people
in
that
meeting.
B
um
These
were
kind
of
some
of
the
goals
that
surfaced
so
Matt
just
wanted
to
bring
it
to
this
group
um
to
share,
because
it
does
involve
a
lot
of
the
metrics
models.
Work.
So
um
I
think
that
back
to
your
point
earlier,
Liang
about
um
the
workflow.
This
is
a
prime
example,
because
the
ospo
working
group
meeting
they're,
going
to
probably
have
a
lot
more
ideas
for
metrics
models
that
are
pertinent
to
them.
B
But
as
far
as
like
actual
development
like
that
group
is
so
large,
I
don't
know
that
they
will
be
equipped
to
actually
do
the
work
of
developing
the
model
itself,
so
that
might
just
get
thrown
back
to
this
working
group,
which
I
guess
is
okay,
since
that's
why
we
were
here
so
um
just
wanted
to
kind
of
um
surface
that
for
everybody,
so
they
kind
of
know
like
that.
There
may
be
some
more
ideas
coming
from
that
group.
D
B
um
This
part
right
here
as
a
particular
interest
um
defining
the
business
value,
um
which
is
something
that
we
could
maybe
think
about
in
this
group.
Also
of
like
um
how
does
this
symmetric
model
help
the
business
that's
running?
The
ospo
is
that
seemed
to
be
of
great
interest,
so
um
something
that
we
can
think
about
a
little
bit
more
because
we
currently
don't
really
address
that
anywhere.
I,
don't
think
um
so.
Yeah.
E
C
A
um
It's
a
little
bit
of
a
circular
problem
because,
for
example,
the
metrics
themselves
are
kind
of
core
indicators
that
companies
do
look
at
there.
There
are
I'm
certain
what
this
is
getting
is.
There
are
different
motivations
that
companies
have
for
looking
at
these
metrics
and
those
are
probably
what
how
value
creation
is
designed.
A
D
A
It's
a
really
good
Point
Lane,
um
for
example,
I
when
I
think
about
red
hat
I,
think
their
model
is
clearly
that
they
provide
support
and
services
for
core
infrastructure
uh
and
release
software.
That's
based
on
open
source
using
that
I
think
there
are
other
companies
um
that
leverage
a
lot
of
Open
Source
software,
and
so
their
strategy
is
trying
to
choose
the
project
to
support
because
those
projects
are
part
of
their
product
offering
those
other
two
like
I,
guess:
classes.
A
business
model
that
come
immediately
to
mind.
E
B
A
Like
brow,
like
Rena
Enterprise,
Linux
I,
think
is
a
classic
example,
where
you
know
I'm
a
company
I'm
going
to
run
Linux,
but
I
I
need
it.
I
need
a
CO
I
need
like
a
version
of
Linux
that
somebody
has
defined
as
stable,
which
means
it's.
You
know,
18
to
24
months
behind
the
current
kernel,
but
it's
highly
stable
and
if
I
have
a
problem,
I
can
call
them
um
Red
Hat.
That's
that's
a
big
part
of
red
Hat's
business
model.
There
are
other
firms
that
I
one
that
comes
to
mind
is
indeed.com.
A
That
uses
a
lot
of
Open
Source
software
and
they
identify
the
projects
that
are
the
most
critical
uh
in
their
infrastructure
and
find
ways
to
support
those
projects
of
their
business
model.
Is
they
have
a
product
that
is
an
online
website
for
helping
people
find
jobs,
and
they
recognize
that
some
of
their
business
relies
on
certain
open
source
projects.
So
they
manage
a
portfolio
of
Open
Source
projects
and
like
to
support
certain
open
source
projects
in
specific
ways.
E
A
E
E
So
it's
like
a
chip
manufacturer
who
wants
uh
open
source
project
to
run
on
their
chips
like,
for
example,
some
open
source
cannot
run
on
the
uh
iot
small
iot
devices,
so
they
are
supporting.
So
they
are
developing
the
iot
devices,
but
they
are
supporting
the
open
source
project
by
contributing
code
to
them
so
that
they
can
run
on
their
chips
on
their
machines.
Okay,.
E
A
B
Yeah
I
know
um
some
companies
I,
don't
know
how
common
this
is,
but
I
have
heard
of
companies
um
using
open
source
projects
also
as
a
way
to
recruit
new
employees.
So
more
of
like
a
pipeline
like
if
there's
a
bit
of
Open
Source,
that's
Central
to
the
core
of
their
business,
then
folks,
who
contribute
to
that.
Then
they
kind
of
have
a
so
pipeline
for
hiring
people.
I.
E
B
B
B
um
Okay,
so
do
you
want
to
move
on
to
the
next
topic-
and
this
was
um
also
just
something
Matt
wanted
to
bring
up
was
for
us
to
think
about
how
we
communicate
this
work
to
the
world.
um
You
know.
Is
it
through
blog
posts
and
conference
talks,
and
we
do
have
a
Communications
working
group
that
has
some
folks
interested
in
doing
some
blog
post.
Writing
are
looking
for
topics
to
write
about.
B
um
So
if
there's
anyone,
that's
interested
in
kind
of
promoting
this,
and
this
also
just
as
an
aside
kind
of
aligns
with
the
idea
that
was
brought
up
in
the
community
meeting
today
about
the
chaos
ambassadors
that
help
kind
of
spread.
The
word
about
chaos
throughout
the
land
through
various
conferences
and
things.
So
maybe
it
kind
of
all
goes
together,
but
um
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
surface
this
as
something
that
we
could
think
about
in
this
group.
B
A
B
So
yeah
just
throwing
that
out
there
something
that
we,
we
probably
want
to
think
about
as
a
group
just
to
do
more
of
that
work
um
just
to
keep
it
in
the
you
know
in
the
in
the
spotlight,
so
to
speak.
um
This
seems
like
the
way
you
know,
like
chaos
is
kind
of
Shifting
more
towards
this
implementation.
This
higher
level,
thinking
of
how
metrics
come
together,
and
so
um
that's
something
that
we'll
probably
want
to
do
more
of
is
is
just
promote
the
work
that
this
group
does
specifically
so
yeah,
just
think
about
it.
B
It
is,
um
and
maybe
it's
something
that,
like
you
know,
people
pair
up
together
or
we
you
know,
write
it
as
a
group.
I
know
that
the
app
ecosystem
working
group
has
done
a
few
blog
posts
together
um
as
a
group
effort,
and
then
they
all
um
put
themselves
as
authors
and
I
think
that
would
also
be
fine.
um
They
do
some
work
on
opensource.com.
So
if
that's
where
we
think
that
we
might
want
to
post
something
great,
you
know
we
can
get
that
ball
rolling.
If.