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From YouTube: CHAOSS Metrics Models Working Group 5/10-5/11/22
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A
First
and
I'll
do
the
live
transcript
as
anyways
as
well
all
right!
Well,
welcome
to
the
may
10th
may
11th
metrics
model
meeting
for
the
chaos
community,
it's
great
to
have
everybody
here.
um
We
had
a
few
action
items
from
last
time
and
it
looks
like
there's
going
to
be
some
demos
today
um
around
safety
and
funding,
so
that
would
be
cool
to
see
those
we've
just
kind
of.
As
a
note
too,
uh
for
everybody
on
this
call.
A
We've
been
really
talking
about
the
metrics
model,
uh
working
group
and
the
work,
that's
being
done
and
kind
of
the
structure
that's
occurring,
and
we
were
talking
about
that
in
the
community
call
today
so
really
well
received.
I
think
the
work
that
we're
doing
is
right
on
target
with
a
lot
of
things
that
people
are
interested
in.
So
it's
good
validation
that
I
think
a
lot
of
people
like
the
work
that
we're
doing
so
um
regava.
Do
you
wanna?
Do
you
wanna?
Could
you
put
the
link
to
your
pr
in
the
minutes.
A
C
A
C
E
A
B
A
D
A
All
right,
maybe
the
the
next
thing
this
is.
These
are
leftover
action
items
from
last
time,
so
one
was
how
to
use
a
notebook
and
json
file
to
see
community
results,
and
if
I
recall
this
conversation,
it
was
about
how
do
we
really
kind
of
think
about
other
people
having
access
to
these
notebooks
and
json
files
to
to
see
the
results
that
we're
talking
about
so
sean?
I
know
you've,
given
this
some
thought
as
well
how
to
like.
D
I
think
what
the
exam
the
example
there
in
that
notebook
that
you
were
just
showing
is
a
really
good
example
of
how
to
do
that,
because
effectively
it
can
function
without
a
database
connection
or
having
to
collect
data,
and
you
can
see
what
it
does
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
I
really
like
this
approach.
The
last
time
we
talked
about
it.
D
D
D
A
I
agree
um
so
basically
this
this
conversation,
uh
yehui
and
others
on
the
call
really
what
this
comes
from
is.
In
the
past
we
had
developed
metrics,
which
we
would
call
atomic
metrics,
and
so
those
were
metrics.
There
were
kind
of
these
low
level
granularity
things
like
I
always
go
to
like
age
of
an
issue.
You
know
it's
like
this
thing
that
you
can
just
measure,
and
it's
this
it's
very
low
level
item
before
the
metrics
model
working
group.
A
A
What
have
been
released
as
metrics
you've
seen
this
right
when
you've
done
the
translations,
that
these
they're
more
complex,
metrics
and
there's
more
atomic
metrics.
We
ultimately
want
to
move
these
these
composite
metrics
into
the
metrics
model,
working
group,
because
that's
really
what
they
are.
They
are
metrics
models,
but
we
need
to
be
careful
not
to
just
say
to
the
metrics
model
working
group:
here's
40
comp
composite
metrics,
you
know
have
fun
with
that
and
you
fix
it.
So
we're
trying
to
be
pretty
thoughtful
on
how
we
do
that.
A
A
So
how
far
do
we
go?
Do
we
just
say
here's
a
jupiter
notebook
like
here's,
here's
the
folder
that
you
need
to
do
this
deployment,
or
do
we
say,
here's
a
a
public
facing
instance
where
you
can
run
this
model?
Do
we
say
we're
happy
to
work
with
you,
as
kind
of
a
consultancy
group,
to
deploy
this
for
the
repositories
you're
interested
in.
B
A
B
uh
I
think
we
can
give
some
um
consultancy
service,
something
like
that.
Let's
first,
let's
that's
one
way,
and
another
way
is
that,
because
we
provide
some
data
schema
in
our
notebook.
So
if
they
already
have
such
ability
to
to
collect
such
data,
they
can
easily
to
collect
by
themselves.
No
matter
use
other
group
life
or
any
other
tools.
C
F
Yes,
I
had
one
thought
like
uh
looking
at
listening
to
the
previous
discussions
too,
so
the
discussion
was
like.
We
have
some
model
to
show
that
what
is
the
applicability
which
we
can
test
it
on
our
own
repository,
like
on
chaos,
repository
to
show
what
is
it
like
and
maybe
a
second
step?
If
somebody
is
really
interested
and
want
to
continue,
then
we
can
either
provide
an
instance
or
some
support
in
implementing
them
or
guiding
them
and
hook
them
with
the
software
team
will
be
a
two-step
option
for
them.
A
D
A
A
B
I
I
and
I
think
we
got
a
lot
of
new
new
people
joined
our
community.
I
would
like
to
invite
them
to
help
us
do
so.
Yes,
and
I
I
totally
agree,
I
we
provide
matrix
model
and
we
provide
a
verified
result
with
some
real
world
data
and
and
the
result
and
the
reading,
and
we
also
provide
consultancy
service,
something
like
that.
Yeah
and
that's
the
whole
things
we
provide
for
people.
You
know
from
our
matrix
model
group.
A
Yes,
because
I
think
from
a
metrics
group
perspective,
the
farthest
we
go
is
we
provide
a
definition
of
a
metric,
that's
it
and
then
we
stop,
but
we
don't
really
provide
consultancy
around
a
metric
or
we
don't
provide
really
deployable
metrics.
That's
not
what
the
metrics
model
or
I'm
sorry,
that's
not
what
the
metrics
working
groups
really
do,
which
is
fine,
yeah
totally.
That's
completely
fair.
We
define
70
metrics.
So
I
like
I
like
this.
B
D
D
A
A
Yeah
I
I
agree,
I
want
to
know
more
um
all
right,
so
all
right
cool.
um
I
know
we
have
a
couple
of
demos
that
we
want
to
take
a
look
at
today,
but
I
just
had
one
more
one
more
item
from
last
time:
um
an
ability
to
get
community
data.
So
it's
part
of
this
conversation
that
we're
having
it's
about
providing
real
world
data
against
the
metric
model,
so
that
people
can
understand
what
the
model
looks
like
in
practice.
I
think
is
really
what
this
is
about.
D
Do
you
mean
by
community
data?
Do
you
mean
something
other
than
the
trace
data?
Are
you
talking
about
surveys,
for
example,
because
when
I
say
it's
relatively
easy,
I
do
mean
the
trace
data
from
the
platforms.
Me
too,
I
think
obviously,
it's
harder
if
we're
talking
about
survey,
data
or
or
demographic.
B
For
the
sorry
data,
if
this,
if
some
communities
they
would
like
to
uh
to
contribute
to
to
to
the
chaos
or
to
our
metrics
model,
they
are
also
welcome
to
contribute
such
data,
but
the
most
in
the
most
cases,
uh
the
data
we
mentioned.
It's
like
election.
You
mentioned
it's
true
status
from
the
public
area,.
D
So
you
can
store
large
data
in
the
get
large
file
system
format,
but
you
have
to
have
that
installed
locally
and
know
how
to
operate
it.
And
if
you
don't,
then
it
can
cause
problems.
So
I
do
think
we
want
to
have
small
samples
in
this
repository
and
perhaps
ultimately,
maybe
some
more
hosted
kinds
of
solutions
which.
B
B
B
E
D
Has
an
interest
yeah
I
mean
we've.
um
We've
explored
um
microsoft's
as
your
service.
We,
we
don't
have
credits
that
last
beyond
the
end
of
this
month,
though
so
it
it's,
um
it's
not
been
as
uh
it's
it's.
It
was
a
very
short-term
commitment,
so
it
was
uh
very
hard
to
implement
and
and
show
utility
in
the
time
period
that
we
had
those
credits,
so
I'm
still
searching
for
uh
other
opportunities.
Well,
it
fits
more.
A
B
A
Yeah,
so
I'm
wondering
so
like
my
concern
is:
is
that,
like
I've
been
in
talks
before
where
I've
seen
somebody
who's,
not
part
of
a
community,
give
a
talk
about
that
community
based
on
data
that
they
received
from
online
trace
data
all
right?
So
there's
a
person
say
it
like
me:
I'm
giving
a
talk
about
a
community
that
I'm
not
a
member
of
but
I've.
I've
collected
online
trace
data
and
I'm
giving
a
presentation
and
I'm
telling
the
audience.
A
C
A
D
A
Right:
okay,
okay,
great!
uh
This
is
very
helpful.
I'm
sorry
for
kind
of
getting
stuck
on
some
of
these
details,
everybody,
but
I
just
it's.
I
get
asked
these
things
throughout
the
week.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
clear
on
our
messaging.
That's
all
um
all
right!
So
we
have
a
couple
uh
demos
june.
A
E
A
E
E
E
E
For
example,
I
just
I
just
use
this
inclusive
leadership
survey
as
an
example-
and
this
is
our
this-
is
my
our
steps,
the
step
one.
We
will
um
give
some
survey
to
to
which
people
to
this
people
to
to
these
people,
for
example,
maybe
project
maintainer
or
some
other
contribute
contributor
in
our
community.
E
So
we
give
give
several
people
survey
and
our
state
survey.
Our
server
content
is
like
this
and
we
will
ask
in
serving.
We
will
ask
um
maybe
maintainer
and
what
the
review
or
renew
is.
Maybe
we
will
ask
in
this
question
and
our
leadership
rules
limited
by
time
and
we
will
give
them
some
score
in
this
question.
E
E
E
E
This
is
the
this
survey
will
be
a
little
different
from
other
metric
because
uh
on
this
because
this
metric
model,
this
metric
is,
will
not
change
faster.
So
we
only
have
to
get
survey
dates
from
each
month
or
maybe
half
maybe
half
year
like
this.
So
so
um
we
can
say
our
so
we
can
see
our
the
results.
E
A
Yes,
so
survey
can't
be
that
frequent,
like
yeah
um
so
jun.
This
is
great
because
it
really
helps
me
overcome
something
that
I
was
struggling
with,
which
is
how
do
we
approach
metrics
models
that
are
survey,
driven,
that's
something
that
I've
been
struggling
with
for
a
long
time,
and
I
think
this
this
really
helps
in
that
regard.
A
A
A
D
B
E
A
B
F
E
A
I
do
I
I
do
wonder,
and
this
could
be
something
to
think
about,
but
I
do
wonder
about
in
the
data
repository.
You
know
how
we
have
the
sample
data
that
is
provided
there
are
some
metrics
models
that
communities
may
not
want
to
share
their
data,
so
if
every
if
every
year
they
showed
that
their
project
is
getting
less
safe
than
it
may
not
be
something
they
want
to
show.
But
it's
just
something
to
think
about.
B
A
A
E
A
That
would
be
good
because
I
know
that,
like
with
auger,
I
mean
the
work
that
sean
does
pulling
the
data
from
github
and
then
transforming
the
data
into
something.
That
is
is
a
tremendous
amount
of
work,
and
I
would
imagine
we
need
probably
a
similar
process
here
that,
irrespective
of
the
data
collection
tool
that
we
need,
we
need
to
get
it
into
a
standard
format.
B
E
A
E
A
Yeah,
I
agree,
I
mean
if
they
can
show
improvements
over
time,
yeah
and
then
we
could
really
start
drawing
what
those
insights
are
as
to
what
was
what
we're
seeing
and
maybe
what
was
done.
I
mean
then
then
we're
getting
into
that
that
the
graphic
again
from
information
to
knowledge,
to
insight
to
wisdom
and
if
we
can
show
improvements.
I
agree,
that's
great
cool,
any
other
questions
for
june.
A
B
C
So
I
try
to
analyze
the
following
metrical
metrics,
because
the
data
the
raw
data
has
studied
in
my
data
source.
So
I
can
get
the
result
about
this
metric.
In
a
short
time,
field
structure
is
still
similar
to
community
activity
and
there
are
data
inside
data
set
and
the
algorithm
and
the
algorithm
is
empty.
Now
uh
I
will
try
to
implement
it
in
the
next
period
uh
and
I
have
a
show.
C
I
have
employment
on
some
metric
about
her
organization,
this
university
and
the
first.
uh
It
is
about
the
the
contributions
of
each
and
each
organization,
and
this
is
this
figure.
uh
We
couldn't
see
the
percentage
of
contributions
by
different
organizations
and
the
following
matrix
is
about
the
type
of
contributions
and
the
first
is
about
a
issue.
C
C
A
A
A
B
A
B
A
B
For
the
internal
usage,
I
mean,
of
course
we
have
much
more
data
for
the
uh
for
the
community
yeah
we
are
not
going
to
for,
for
example,
in
one
community,
we
are
not
going
to
uh
explode
those
data
publicly
yeah
they
just
use
matrix
model
or
in
our
community
internally
share
with
people
internally,
because
it
is
some
privacy
data
sure
that's
the
best
one.
Okay,
so.
A
Do
you
think,
do
you
think
it's
worth
for
the
metrics
model,
saying
from
a
from
a
chaos
deployment
perspective,
here's
a
jupiter
notebook
like
what
chiang
chi
had
put
together
and
here's
the
collection
of
some
of
the
metrics.
Please
understand
that
there
are
other
metrics
that
yeah.
Of
course
we
don't
collect
them,
but
so
that's
one
option.
The
other
option
is
to
to
simply
remove
this
from
the
model
and
just
say
we
don't
we
don't
care
about
it.
You
know
what
I
mean
so
one
option.
A
B
A
I
agree,
I
agree
we
added
disclaimer
by
saying
as
part
of
the
chaos
release.
We
don't
provide
this,
but
you
may
want
to
provide
that
as
you
look
at
this
model,
specifically
okay,
I
agree.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
were
all
in
agreement:
okay,
cool
um
shanxi!
That's
that's
great.
um
Are
you
uh
in
june?